100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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Panchito
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Date: January 02, 2015 03:32AM [www.foxnews.com]
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 04:52AM He was a 7th Day Adventist so even before he went vegan his diet was pretty good.
He had meaningful work. He had a purpose. He saved lives. This provides powerful impetus to maintain one's body and brain. In his 5th decade he went vegan. He might have done even better if he had gone raw and earlier. Nonetheless I am grateful to be reminded of his story. He has videos on youtube. He is impressive in his 90s. He is about as good as it gets without miracles, fantastic genes, or mostly raw. I wish I could stick around to see how well John Kohler does but as he is significantly younger than I am I may never know. At any rate I wish him at least 120 good years. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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coconutcream
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Date: January 02, 2015 06:18AM
What does he eat for lunch?
Wow he is a 7th day adventist, woah. My mom got sucked into them for a while. She wanted me to speak about raw veganism at their church since they are supposed to be following a veggie diet.
So it is religion driven... I was fascinated when I read that, thanks. Is he cute for 100, can you post some links to his youtube , your faves? Hey there are a lot of raw friendly recipes on this website 7thdayadventist Wow. I did not know 7th day adventists were raw vegan friendly. I know they have veggie potlucks but not all raw, no? If anyone is spiritual its me. My grandaddy a pastor and I was raised Catholic and was in love with my priest my whole childhood. He was so dreamy, Italian priest with long hair. I googled him the other day. Still painting. He is an artist. I love the whole catholic ritual. I love morning mass. It would be really hard for me to get back into something mainstream. I am obsessed with hypnotherapy, they call it quantum hypnotherapy and it is a religion to me. I do not even know if 7th day adventists are christians...are they? Whats their thing....their truth? I need something to funnel all my psychic energy. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 06:29AM by coconutcream. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 01:43PM Here he is at 98. He is a cutie.
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RawPracticalist
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:03PM Wrinkles and everything. He looked very old for his age. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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The Sproutarian Man
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:13PM arugula Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I wish I could stick around to see how well John > Kohler does but as he is significantly younger > than I am I may never know. It will be interesting to see how people like Brian Clement, Lou Corona and other long term raw fooders go. I was crushed when Ann Wigmore passed away from smoke inhalation, she was raw for almost 40 years and was up in years, so it would have been great if she kept on going past 100 to show us all what a living food diet can do for people. Will have to wait another 30 years or more to see how the current long term raw vegans fare in really old age, but l am particularly interested in the living food vegans. Actually, Gabriel Coisens is around 70, but still a few more decades to wait. Just imagine how great it would be if generations started thriving on raw vegan diets and it started to catch on. www.thesproutarian.com Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 02:17PM by The Sproutarian Man. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:30PM The wrinkles are largely from sun exposure and a little bit from bone loss.
Since most vegans eschew sunscreen and worship the sun, their faces will be pretty messed up when they get that old. The amount of damage an average person can take without accumulating is about 2.54 minutes per person per day. This is why the ones of African descent fare the best--they have built-in SPF, up to SPF 30. People with the darkest skins (Annette Larkins, Storm) do better in the face department than the paler ones (Karyn Calabrese). And Lou Corono will be better looking at 80 than a Freckly redhead or blonde with blue eyes. But even without wrinkles there are still visual cues that a person is older. The eye will fixate on the one giveaway. Some women get facelifts but neglect their necks and hands. Some people develop a cloudiness in the eyes. The nose and ears get bigger. The distance between the upper lip and the nose gets bigger. The mandible recedes. The eye sockets enlarge. Etc. There is only so much you can do to impede this process--that is to say, not very much. One can only to slow down this rate of decay, but not stop it completely. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:40PM Here's a 100-yo Greek guy from Ikaria. He smoked 20 cigs a day for 70 years. He has a nice strong jaw and his skin does not look totally messed up. He walks 4 hilly km per day. He takes naps every day.
The Ikarian diet includes beans and not much meat or refined sugar. They eat a lot of locally grown and wild greens, potatoes, and goat's milk. They also drink a lot of red wine. They drink a lot of herb tea and small quantities of coffee; daily calorie consumption is not high. But there is one other thing that might contribute to longevity. These people suffered during the German occupation of WWII. A lot of people starved to death. Going through a period of reduced calories while maintaining high vitamin and mineral intakes (from their wild greens) might have contributed somewhat to their genomic stability. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:43PM RawPracticalist Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Wrinkles and everything. He looked very old for > his age. I've noticed that M.D.s who spend a lot of their waking time in surgical suites seem to age faster. They rarely get much sleep and are exposed to a lot more radiation and toxic chemicals than most people are. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:50PM Stress, too.
At my age I can't overemphasize the importance of leading a low-stress life. I would never be happy as an MD, let alone a surgeon at that. I would absolutely not want that kind of responsibility in a life-death matter every day, multiple times per day, for decades. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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CommonSenseRaw
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Date: January 02, 2015 02:58PM I am not sure it is the job. It is the mental disposition.
Physicians are saving lives, it is a rewarding experience. It is true many die but many more are saved and that alone can bring a lot of joy. With the current knowledge we gained on raw nutrition and exercise, about 50 years from now, we will many over 100 wrinkle free. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 02:59PM by CommonSenseRaw. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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The Sproutarian Man
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Date: January 02, 2015 03:03PM SueZ Wrote:
> > I've noticed that M.D.s who spend a lot of their > waking time in surgical suites seem to age faster. > They rarely get much sleep and are exposed to a > lot more radiation and toxic chemicals than most > people are. I have also heard that dentists don't live a long time on average either. The reason stated is that they are breathing in mercury from putting in amalgam/mercury fillings. arugula Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Stress, too. That's a big one. That's one of my core principles to try and live by...to avoid stress. Dosing up on bucketloads of B vitamins via sprouts (especially sprouted seeds and greens) and algaes is a priority for this reason, because some testing has apparently shown that some stressed people use up to 10 times the B vitamin rda, use more than the rda for B12 etc. We also need the omega 3's in good amounts and good levels of magnesium to calm the nerves. I find a 100% highly nutritious raw vegan diet is excellent for stress management. This is coming from a man who was once the king of being stressed, now it is almost non existant, so l have come a long LONG way to be able to make complete turn arounds in many things. > > At my age I can't overemphasize the importance of > leading a low-stress life. Yes, it seems to be the people who worry and get stressed that get sick. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 03:10PM by The Sproutarian Man. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 02, 2015 03:38PM More cerebral types are usually not interested at all in becoming raw vegans yet, I've noticed. Hopefully the raw oils will draw more of them to give this diet a try. I'm working on a few of them now. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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arugula
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Date: January 02, 2015 03:46PM Mado, a great deal of the pro-veg*n peer-reviewed literature comes from the 7th day Adventists.
They are Protestants. This is what I find most interesting about their beliefs: Wholistic human nature —Humans are an indivisible unity of body, mind, and spirit. They do not possess an immortal soul and there is no consciousness after death. There are 101 health studies on them in pubmed; they tend to do very well compared to the general population and many of them are vegetarian or vegan. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 02, 2015 06:25PM A few years back, I got interested in Dr. St. Louis Estes, who was formerly a licensed dentist (so came by his Dr. title legitimately), and later got into the raw food field, & became quite well-known in the 1920ties, 30ties, though pretty much forgotten today. He has a Wikipedia page that I have contributed to.
By his first marriage, he had 3 children, then divorced, and by his second, 12. These latter 12 (which were born between 1922 & 1937) were raised from birth to eat nothing but raw foods. The group went along with Mother & Father on lecture tours throughout the US. In fact I have a front page photograph from our local newspaper where the then Oakland, CA Chief of Police has a tray full of fruits & vegetables which he is serving to the kiddies when the Estes Family was here during a lecture tour in the 1930ties. Both Time & Life Magazines featured the family in one of their issues. After we had done the back & future stories on Mom & Dad, my genealogy "associate" & I decided to see if we could find out what eventually happened to the 12 children. Because of the strange names they were given, not to mention marriages & divorces, it was challenging to say the least, but I was surprised to find that most died in their fairly early in their 50ties & 60ties. A few were still apparently alive, and only one we couldn't account for. In the end, the whole Estes Family was an interesting study in the longevity subject. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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CommonSenseRaw
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Date: January 02, 2015 06:45PM Interesting story, thanks for sharing.
It would be good to know what they were eating as raw. Their daily diet and what did they die from, or did they continued to remain on the diet after leaving home. Some issues with early rawfoodists were the heavy reliance on beans and tofu. We now know you cannot get far with these foods. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 06:47PM by CommonSenseRaw. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 02, 2015 07:23PM KFCA Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > A few years back, I got interested in Dr. St. > Louis Estes, who was formerly a licensed dentist > (so came by his Dr. title legitimately), and later > got into the raw food field, & became quite > well-known in the 1920ties, 30ties, though pretty > much forgotten today. He has a Wikipedia page > that I have contributed to. > > By his first marriage, he had 3 children, then > divorced, and by his second, 12. These latter 12 > (which were born between 1922 & 1937) were raised > from birth to eat nothing but raw foods. The > group went along with Mother & Father on lecture > tours throughout the US. In fact I have a front > page photograph from our local newspaper where the > then Oakland, CA Chief of Police has a tray full > of fruits & vegetables which he is serving to the > kiddies when the Estes Family was here during a > lecture tour in the 1930ties. Both Time & Life > Magazines featured the family in one of their > issues. > > After we had done the back & future stories on Mom > & Dad, my genealogy "associate" & I decided to see > if we could find out what eventually happened to > the 12 children. Because of the strange names they > were given, not to mention marriages & divorces, > it was challenging to say the least, but I was > surprised to find that most died in their fairly > early in their 50ties & 60ties. A few were still > apparently alive, and only one we couldn't account > for. > > In the end, the whole Estes Family was an > interesting study in the longevity subject. Thanks, KFCA, I think,lol. What happened, and when, to the three kids from the first marriage? How many of the dozen kids from the raw vegan second marriage died from diabetes complications? Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 02, 2015 07:31PM Don't know the answers to your questions, as except for both Dr. & Mrs. Estes, where I have death cert. or autopsy abstracts, don't know the causes of death or how they ate after leaving home. (They seemed to return to the Estes Family Compound after divorces though---a Very Odd Family). All the deaths we found were in California except for one daughter who died, again fairly young, in Hawaii. From what I've read, the children ate only raw fruits & vegetables; no mention was made of things like tofu nor beans. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 02, 2015 07:31PM CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Some issues with early rawfoodists were the heavy > reliance on beans and tofu. > We now know you cannot get far with these foods. I think you must be talking about vegans instead of raw vegans eating beans and tofu as beans are almost always cooked and tofu always is. The Estes most likely were getting their raw calories mostly from fruit - at least that's what I'm personally hoping to hear - as opposed to eating high fat raw vegan. If they were high fat vegans I'm heading out for a carton of eggs... Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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CommonSenseRaw
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Date: January 02, 2015 07:36PM You are right, I totally misrepresented the facts. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 02, 2015 08:04PM SueZ: I don't know what happened to Dr. Estes' daughters from his first marriage. That family never lived in California (that I know of) where it's easier to track. His son, Estes, Jr., if I recall correctly, died in Michigan at a fairly advanced age. The first Mrs. Estes, who was several years older than Dr. Estes (who, of course, was much younger than he claimed), died circa 1935. Apparently never remarried. Check the Wikipedia page if you haven't already.
BTW, my Los Angeles genealogy associate, personally checked out the long-time Estes Compound, and it's now, needless to say, a large condo complex. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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CommonSenseRaw
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Date: January 02, 2015 08:11PM I bet they would have lived longer if the had incorporated some raw milk into their diet Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 08:12PM by CommonSenseRaw. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 02, 2015 08:12PM KFCA Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Don't know the answers to your questions, as > except for both Dr. & Mrs. Estes, where I have > death cert. or autopsy abstracts, don't know the > causes of death or how they ate after leaving > home. (They seemed to return to the Estes Family > Compound after divorces though---a Very Odd > Family). All the deaths we found were in > California except for one daughter who died, again > fairly young, in Hawaii. From what I've read, the > children ate only raw fruits & vegetables; no > mention was made of things like tofu nor beans. Good Lord, KFCA, the guy's yet another in the long heritage of lying sack of shite raw vegan gurus. "Estes was born in Missouri and died in Los Angeles County, California at age 75 years. (California Death Index). When interviewed for newspaper and magazine articles in the 1920s–1930s he claimed to be approximately 15 years older than records show that he actually was." "Estes slipped and fell around the large pool at the family Spanish compound in Van Nuys, California. He fell into a coma and never recovered. According to his death certificate (Los Angeles County D/C #6879), and due to his service in the Spanish–American War, Estes died at the Veterans Administration Hospital, West Los Angeles, California, Pursuant to an autopsy, his "Cause of death" was "Bronchopneumonia, terminal", "Contributing cause: Generalized arteriosclerosis", and "Other: Malnutrition, severe". He and his wife, Esther Estes, who died of breast cancer in 1963 (Los Angeles City D/C #8247), are buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City, California. (See Find-A-Grave website)" St. Louis Estes - really? (if that's his real name maybe the insanity was congenital.) [en.wikipedia.org] Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 02, 2015 09:02PM As to that last Wikipedia paragraph re the Estes's demises, all except the first sentence were my contribution. Somebody else put the slipped at the swimming pool & went into an unrecovered-from-coma afterward. Since Dr. Estes's autopsy report abstract makes no mention of an accident being either the principal cause or contributing causes of his death (or he being in any sort of coma) I don't know how reliable that statement is, but I guess (alleged at this point) accidents are the better way for health gurus to go.
Unfortunately, there WAS one very sad accident regarding the Estes swimming pool. According to Van Nuys newspaper coverage, one of the Estes' daughters was living back at home following her divorce, and her young son & a neighbor boy of about the same age were both found drowned in the Estes swimming pool. This happened in 1951. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2015 09:08PM by KFCA. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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Panchito
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Date: January 02, 2015 09:12PM arugula Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > He had meaningful work. He had a purpose. He saved > lives. This provides powerful impetus to maintain > one's body and brain. This adds a social group reason to success. but if you feel good you don't need social purpose or social aceptance. They help but they are not a necessity. All you need is to feel good and keep going. Many people look for external causes when they don't feel good as justification. For example, some raw fooders may blame the lack of belonging to a community to a possible diet failure. This is only a belief that may lurk for a long time since it is difficult to prove. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 03, 2015 06:57AM Dixie La Madora, one of Dr. Estes' 6 daughters from his second marriage, has a YouTube presence under her name. This was from 2009, which was about the time we were researching the family. Don't know if she's still alive, but you might enjoy viewing it. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 03, 2015 12:40PM Ok, I found it. mEdora...
[www.youtube.com] Reminds me of another haunting vegan guru classic the "Green Smoothie Song" [www.youtube.com] Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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SueZ
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Date: January 03, 2015 02:03PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Ok, I found it. mEdora... > > [www.youtube.com] > > > Reminds me of another haunting vegan guru classic > the "Green Smoothie Song" > > [www.youtube.com] Oh God. There's another one... [www.youtube.com] Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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KFCA
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Date: January 03, 2015 10:53PM Unfortunately, though Dr. Estes was making somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000 per year in the 1930ties & likely a little earlier, according to newspaper coverage of the day, he declared bankruptcy in Los Angeles in March of 1941, listing his debts as $245,369 (including an unpaid Fed income tax bill of $104,000) and assets of $4,400. (which assets he claimed included $600 in supplies of raw food and honey).
I guess that must have broken his spirit, as I could find no further newspaper stories mentioning him beyond that date until his 1951 death. He went from literally being all over the place to being a Forgotten Man in a space of about 15 years. BTW, in some of the 1930-era stories, he did mention that the family ate nuts & honey, as well as the uncooked fruits & vegetables. Re: 100 year old vegan reveals secrets of longevity
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coconutcream
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Date: January 04, 2015 03:09AM The Green Smoothie song SUEZ hahahaha they look so funny
About Estes: Sounds like a mysterious death and possible conspiracy against this man. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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