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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 27, 2015 11:02PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "i am legally and ethically permitted to hold an
> opinion about "nutritionists" and their views"
>
> And I, as well as anyone else here, are legally
> and ethically permitted to refute your uneducated
> opinions and views which are aren't supported by
> anything outside of your brain (but you insist on
> playing them off as factual).
>

nope, just some FACTS on lysine.

>
> "i do not agree with your characterization above,
> but i know how you wish
> to put forth such pronouncements, so , you know,
> have at it, if it makes you feel better."
>
> Has nothing to do with me other than the fact that
> I called you out on it. You have posted on here
> that you disagree with the notion that not
> everyone can thrive on fruit and vegetable diets.
> I know this is hard for you to process, but that
> would align with what I previously said.

there's always exceptions, but yes i believe that most can thrive on fruit/veg diets.

so what? oh, yeah, that makes me a dogmatic lunatic. got it.

don't' worry prindl, everyone here is clinging to your every word, nobody is paying me the slightest attention. make sure you don't take a day off, or someone may DIE !

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 27, 2015 11:29PM

"nope, just some FACTS on lysine."

I wasn't even talking about lysine but your history of unsubstantiated claims.


"yes i believe that most can thrive on fruit/veg diets."

Based off what? Any cultures you know of that have ever done so for long periods of time? Surely must have some type of scientific evidence for this given your criticizing of Brian Clement by saying "forgive me if I expect more from someone who is going to base their own regimen on such unscientific anecdotes". Where is the science behind your anecdotes? On top of the various nutritional deficiencies (such as EPA/DHA, selenium, zinc), phytochemical intake is severely restricted when choosing not to consume any herbs, algae's, nuts and seeds.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 28, 2015 12:16AM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "nope, just some FACTS on lysine."
>
> I wasn't even talking about lysine but your
> history of unsubstantiated claims.
>
>

try to stay in the present, prindl.
you're going to be consumed by resentment your way.

you didn't answer. is it your mama or papa who is a nutritionist?

> "yes i believe that most can thrive on fruit/veg
> diets."
>
> Based off what?

human needs and nutrients available.


Any cultures you know of that have
> ever done so for long periods of time?

irrelevant

Surely must
> have some type of scientific evidence for this
> given your criticizing of Brian Clement by saying
> "forgive me if I expect more from someone who is
> going to base their own regimen on such
> unscientific anecdotes".

he doesn't provide any science and you know it.

Where is the science
> behind your anecdotes?

i have no idea what anecdotes you are referring to.

On top of the various
> nutritional deficiencies (such as EPA/DHA,
> selenium, zinc), phytochemical intake is severely
> restricted when choosing not to consume any herbs,
> algae's, nuts and seeds.

we have been through this before.
i have shown that the nutrients are there.

you choose to ignore the data and come up with excuses.

so i would suggest that you do what you do, and i do what i do.

now you may, as usual, have the final salvo.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: tezcal ()
Date: January 28, 2015 12:27AM

panchito, which foods do you consume on a regular basis to ensure you're getting enough lysine?

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 28, 2015 12:33AM

"we have been through this before.
i have shown that the nutrients are there.
you choose to ignore the data and come up with excuses."

That has literally never happened once, although you've tried - you are the one who ignores the abundance of science regarding ALA to EPA/DHA conversion and how minimal it is. Selenium and zinc are also in very small amounts in fruits and vegetables and that's not even taking in other factors that may negatively affect absorption. Your simple-minded excuse - "no symptoms, no deficiency".


"i have no idea what anecdotes you are referring to."

That humans simply only need fruits and vegetables to achieve optimal health.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: January 28, 2015 01:28AM

tezcal Wrote:
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> panchito, which foods do you consume on a regular
> basis to ensure you're getting enough lysine?

sources of RAW: Dark leafy greens, nuts and seeds.

sources of COOKED: quinoa, amaranth, legumes, pistachios.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 28, 2015 01:53AM

Chlorella and spirulina (which are 60-65% protein by weight) are great sources of lysine as well.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 28, 2015 01:57AM

"Hemp has minute amounts of lysine and it is as if it did not have any."

Not true.

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[www.mountainroseherbs.com]

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: January 28, 2015 03:24AM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Not true.

Looks a weak study from 2004. They "derived" lysine experimentally. This suggest that they approximated its value using some formula or something from a book (derived not measured)

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An overview J.C. Callaway Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry, University of Kuopio, FIN-70211 Kuopio, Finland;(e-mail: callaway@uku.fi)

Amino acid values for hempseed (cv Finola) and rapeseed in Table 3 were derived experimentally at MTT (the National Agricul-tural Laboratories in Jokionen, Finland).

but if you compare it to this 2010 source, where the study itself is specific to the amino acid composition and quality of hempseed, it says it was determined (stronger word that suggests a measurement), not derived: [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

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The macronutrient composition and the quality of protein of hemp seed and products derived from hemp seed grown in Western Canada were determined. Thirty samples of hemp products (minimum 500 g), including whole hemp seed, hemp seed meal from cold-press expelling, dehulled, or shelled, hemp seed and hemp seed hulls, were obtained from commercial sources.

Lysine was the first limiting amino acid in all products

It is up to you to believe what you want but the second study looks better/stronger. Websites selling Hemp will use the first study while non biased articles will use the second.



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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: tezcal ()
Date: January 28, 2015 03:28AM

Panchito Wrote:
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> tezcal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > panchito, which foods do you consume on a
> regular
> > basis to ensure you're getting enough lysine?
>
> sources of RAW: Dark leafy greens, nuts and
> seeds.
>
> sources of COOKED: quinoa, amaranth, legumes,
> pistachios.

thanks, i did a quick google search and found a meter for various foods for my body weight. seemed kind of difficult. for instance, it would take 11 tablespoons of spirulina, which i consume regularly, but usually only three tablespoons. something like half a pound of pumpkin seeds, etc. i suppose the trick is to get a lot of variety in your diet.


i had made a post in another thread about how i seem to struggle raw while attempting a weight lifting routine. the actual lifting isn't a problem, but it seems to take a few days longer than necessary to recover, and reading over the symptoms of lysine deficiency, i seem to display some of them. i thought it may be a carb issue and was thinking of eating cooked sweet potatoes, but i think i'll try first to make sure i am obtaining enough lysine, especially on my recovery days. cheers.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: January 28, 2015 04:07AM

[nutritionreview.org]

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Collagen is the protein that forms connective fibers in tissues such as skin, ligaments, cartilage, bones and teeth. Collagen also acts as a kind of intracellular “glue” that gives support, shape and bulk to blood vessels, bones, and organs such as the heart, kidneys and liver. Collagen fibers keep bones and blood vessels strong, and help to anchor our teeth to our gums. Collagen is also required for the repair of blood vessels, bruises, and broken bones. As the most abundant protein in the body, collagen accounts for more mass than all the other proteins put together.

Our body is continually manufacturing collagen to maintain and repair connective tissues lost to daily wear and tear. Without vitamin C, collagen formation is disrupted, resulting in a wide variety of problems throughout the body. Scurvy, the disease caused by vitamin C deficiency, is really a process that disrupts the body’s ability to manufacture collagen and connective tissues. With scurvy, the body literally falls apart as collagen is broken down and not replaced. The joints begin to wear down as tendons shrivel and weaken. The blood vessels crumble and begin to fall apart, leading to bruising and bleeding as vessels rupture (hemorrhage) throughout the body. Teeth loosen and fall out as the gums and the connective tissues holding teeth also begin to erode. Organs, once held firmly together by connective tissues, also lose structural strength and begin to fail. In time, the various body tissues weaken, the immune system and heart give out, leading to death.

In 1985, a team of researchers verified that plaque only forms in areas of the artery that become damaged. Just as cracks form in a garden hose that has become weak and worn from constant bending and high-pressure, cracks form in the lining of the arterial wall. As these tiny cracks open up they expose strands of the amino acid lysine (one of the primary components of collagen) to the blood stream.

Putting all the pieces of the puzzle together, Pauling suggested that the ability to form plaque is really the body’s attempt to repair damage caused by a long-term deficiency of vitamin C. He knew that our ancestors lived in tropical regions where the diet consisted primarily of fruits and vegetables. With a daily intake estimated to be in the range of several hundred milligrams to several grams per day, our ancestors easily survived without the gene required to manufacture vitamin C. Almost unnoticed, this mutation was passed on to successive generations, and only became a problem when early humans began to spread to other regions of the world. In effect, when humankind left the “garden,” the lack of a reliable and adequate supply of dietary vitamin C led to scurvy.

Research conducted with animals that cannot make their own vitamin C found that when vitamin C levels are reduced, collagen production drops and blood vessels become thinner and weaker. Additional studies also confirm that when animals are deprived of vitamin C, their bodies respond by increasing blood levels of Lp(a) and forming plaque deposits to strengthen arteries and prevent vessel ruptures.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 29, 2015 09:22PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "we have been through this before.
> i have shown that the nutrients are there.
> you choose to ignore the data and come up with
> excuses."
>
> That has literally never happened once, although
> you've tried - you are the one who ignores the
> abundance of science regarding ALA to EPA/DHA
> conversion and how minimal it is.

we went through this and i showed you several sources that showed conversion that was higher than you claim . if you choose to go with lower numbers, that's your right, but to repeatedly brand me a dogmatic lunatic only puts your own sanity into question.

now you say the conversion is minimal.
it's minimal. so what?

everything is relative. some things are minimal, some things are maximal.

if you can't discuss context, it's meaningless.

if you wish to take something to increase your intake of a specific fat, then that is your right.

the conversion rate to DHA, for example, is quite unknown to science, ranging from .5% to 9%, and i've even seen estimates up to 20%. hardly confidence inspiring.

taking that into consideration, what is the conversion rate that you use?

you can't simply say, well the conversion rate is low and draw your conclusions and berate me over and over.

quantify.




Selenium and
> zinc are also in very small amounts in fruits and
> vegetables and that's not even taking in other
> factors that may negatively affect absorption.
> Your simple-minded excuse - "no symptoms, no
> deficiency".
>

yes, they are in small amounts. do you realize that is meaningless?
you use words like small, minimal and it doesn't mean anything.
we only need them in small amounts, see how that works out?


>
> "i have no idea what anecdotes you are referring
> to."
>
> That humans simply only need fruits and vegetables
> to achieve optimal health.

that is not an anecdote. it is based on a lot of research from various sources.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 29, 2015 09:58PM

"we went through this and i showed you several sources that showed conversion that was higher than you claim . if you choose to go with lower numbers, that's your right, but to repeatedly brand me a dogmatic lunatic only puts your own sanity into question."

There are numerous studies which show that conversion in men from ALA to EPA is around 6% and DHA around 4%. If you want to ignore these facts to justify your flawed dietary views, so be it. Now you want to argue semantics? Maybe I should've been more clear, conversion is inadequate.

"the conversion rate to DHA, for example, is quite unknown to science, ranging from .5% to 9%, and i've even seen estimates up to 20%. hardly confidence inspiring."

The reason it can go up to 20% is because women have higher conversion rates than men.

"we only need them in small amounts, see how that works out?"

Again, amounts are inadequate, as in deficiency. Your lack of logic and simple-minded thinking is "no symptoms, no deficiency", which is a lie. Suit yourself but I'm trying to achieve optimal health, not get by with inadequate amounts of nutrients that leave me unable to reap all the benefits from said nutrients other than not having severe deficiency symptoms.


"it is based on a lot of research from various sources."

Again, where is this scientific evidence that proves most humans only need to eat fruits and vegetables for optimal health?



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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 01:14AM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "we went through this and i showed you several
> sources that showed conversion that was higher
> than you claim . if you choose to go with lower
> numbers, that's your right, but to repeatedly
> brand me a dogmatic lunatic only puts your own
> sanity into question."
>
> There are numerous studies which show that
> conversion in men from ALA to EPA is around 6% and
> DHA around 4%.

you have answered my first question.

(cool smiley
the problem is now you need to tell me what you think the epa and dha requirements are. once again there is no accepted amount, but you tell me your numbers.
(cool smiley


If you want to ignore these facts
> to justify your flawed dietary views, so be it.
> Now you want to argue semantics? Maybe I should've
> been more clear, conversion is inadequate.
>

yes you should have been more clear.



> "the conversion rate to DHA, for example, is quite
> unknown to science, ranging from .5% to 9%, and
> i've even seen estimates up to 20%. hardly
> confidence inspiring."
>
> The reason it can go up to 20% is because women
> have higher conversion rates than men.
>

i am aware that it is allegedly higher in women.

conversion rates are based on what i would consider sick people.
sick people are not going to have high conversion rates.


> "we only need them in small amounts, see how that
> works out?"
>
> Again, amounts are inadequate, as in deficiency.


you have not shown that quantitatively.

you would need to indicate what requirements are, then a sample diet
and compare the results. of course you have not done that.



> Your lack of logic and simple-minded thinking is
> "no symptoms, no deficiency", which is a lie.

you have a pathological need to repeatedly call me simpleminded.

the only thing i can figure out is that someone close to you called YOU simpleminded. maybe your nutritionist mama or papa?

you also have a disturbing habit to tell other people what they believe.

(A)
i do not, in fact believe ONLY that no symptoms/no deficiency.
my views are also based on many other things, including food sources and availability around the world, other beings diets, requirements and food content.
(A)

but of course you are too simpleminded to allow me to have my own thoughts and views.


Suit
> yourself but I'm trying to achieve optimal health,

good for you. we have something in common.


> not get by with inadequate amounts of nutrients
> that leave me unable to reap all the benefits from
> said nutrients other than not having severe
> deficiency symptoms.
>

fabulous. our second thing in common.


>
> "it is based on a lot of research from various
> sources."
>
> Again, where is this scientific evidence that
> proves most humans only need to eat fruits and
> vegetables for optimal health?

as i have said repeatedly, taking all things into consideration, as in (A) above, I believe that is all that is required.


i await your numbers in answer to statement (cool smiley above.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 01:31AM

no need to wait for your numbers,
I just found a source for fatty acid requirements
[www.dhaomega3.org]


omega 3 requirements = 1.6 g per day
dha + epa = 160mg

I put a basic food day together, 2500 calories, no nuts or seeds or algae.


2.3 grams omega 3 - meets requirements
4% for dha= 92mg
6% for epa = 138

total = 230 of epa and dha - meets requirements


exceeds requirements actually

so tell me what the problem is.



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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 02:02AM

in addition, while eating minimal algae and nuts/seeds over decades, i have NOT ONE of the noted symptoms of fatty acid deficiency. nor have any medical tests shown any cardiovascular problems.

and yet , while having no symptoms and showing that a sample diet meets commonly accepted requirements, you claim that it is not possible to get enough, and that i am a lunatic.

i suggest you are rejecting the data.

the only thing you can claim, just like your vitamin D recommendations, is that the amounts that we need are WAY HIGHER than anybody else thinks.

other than you claiming that what we need is way higher, I have just disproven your repeated screeching claims about fatty acids.

you may impale yourself on your sword now.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 02:04AM

"you would need to indicate what requirements are, then a sample diet
and compare the results. of course you have not done that."

Why do you expect me to baby you throughout the entire discussion? I've already destroyed all of your attempted arguments in the past regarding a variety of nutrients. A fruit and vegetable diet will not even get you 100% RDA for EPA/DHA (after conversion), selenium, or zinc. Put up any sample diet you want with only fruits and vegetables.

"you have a pathological need to repeatedly call me simpleminded"

Trying to help you, you need lots of it. You have a disturbing habit of pretending you understand people and knowing their intentions when in reality you're clueless. Whatever makes you feel better. I don't fault you for it, though, just clean up your diet and that cognition will return smiling smiley

"as i have said repeatedly, taking all things into consideration, as in (A) above, I believe that is all that is required."

In other words, you have none and are a hypocrite.

"no need to wait for your numbers
I just found a source for fatty acid requirements
[www.dhaomega3.org]"

If you believe that 92 mg of DHA is anywhere close to optimal, that's fine. Countless studies prove that significant health benefits kick in at much higher doses.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 02:06AM

"the only thing you can claim, just like your vitamin D recommendations, is that the amounts that we need are WAY HIGHER than anybody else thinks"

Based on scientific evidence not my opinion, but nice try.

"other than you claiming that what we need is way higher, I have just disproven your repeated screeching claims about fatty acids."

You can keep telling yourself that.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 03:20AM

you don't need to baby me, you need to provide valid and complete data when making your contentions.

your contention was that sufficient fatty acids are not available without nuts/seeds/algae.

that contention was not made on your own made-up amount of fatty acids, and it is not on some number where benefits KICK IN, but the amount that is accepted by various sources.

i have just proven you wrong, by providing data that you were unwilling or unable to provide.

and you still stupidly look at the numbers, while your eyes glaze over due to failure to understand, and mindlessly insist that your original contention, proven wrong, is right.

you are a huge egotist, and afraid to admit when wrong.

this will not serve you well.

now I will refute your contentions about zinc and selenium.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 03:28AM

zinc requirements - one source = 8-11 grams

sample diet - same as above = 9 grams.

now tell me, o wise oracle what is the intake when benefits KICK IN?

selenium - fao recommended requirements 34ug per day.
sample diet above 35ug per day.

when do selenium benefits KICK IN?

do you have any nutrient myths that you need busted?

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 03:32AM

i made another modification to sample diet (without algae/nuts/seeds)

above (still remains a reasonable diet) and ala rose up to 3.7 g to account for any conversion issues/losses of dha/epa, thereby far overshooting requirements.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 04:00AM

"i have just proven you wrong, by providing data that you were unwilling or unable to provide."

Again, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd like. It's not my job to do an abundance of research for you - I've done it in the past and you've simply ignored the studies because it doesn't agree with your dogmatic beliefs. If you think less than 100 mg of DHA is optimal, you can believe that.

"sample diet - same as above = 9 grams."

Post this sample diet that is adequate in zinc and selenium with just fruits and vegetables. Post the exact foods and their exact amounts.



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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 02:59PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "i have just proven you wrong, by providing data
> that you were unwilling or unable to provide."
>
> Again, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd
> like.

it's funny how weak your responses get when you know that you are wrong.

it has nothing to do with me telling myself anything.

perhaps you are unfamiliar with what is commonly known as the number system.

the number system allows us to provide an OBJECTIVE source of data.

those numbers, that i showed, refute your screeching and bleating about efa's and zinc and selenium.


It's not my job to do an abundance of
> research for you - I've done it in the past and
> you've simply ignored the studies because it
> doesn't agree with your dogmatic beliefs.

you appear to be unable to focus on facts.

referring to YOUR alleged studies has nothing to do with this issue. Zero.

If you
> think less than 100 mg of DHA is optimal, you can
> believe that.
>


has nothing to do with me.

that was a reference from a governmental body.

now i am sure we can find references that are higher or lower.

i just picked that one as an example.



> "sample diet - same as above = 9 grams."
>
> Post this sample diet that is adequate in zinc and
> selenium with just fruits and vegetables. Post the
> exact foods and their exact amounts.

it is not my job to do your research for you, further than i already have.

it is very easy to select foods that provide nutrient levels
for zinc and selenium that is INSUFFICIENT, ADEQUATE, and ABUNDANT.

it depends on the foods selected, and the amount of calories.

so that is up to you. not me.

my self selected job, once again, was merely to disprove your unscientific rantings about a F + V diet, by showing a reasonable amount of foods satisfying the requirements.

if there are any other myths that you wish me to destroy, give me a call.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 04:06PM

"it is not my job to do your research for you, further than i already have.

it is very easy to select foods that provide nutrient levels
for zinc and selenium that is INSUFFICIENT, ADEQUATE, and ABUNDANT."

That's what I thought - you cannot do it. Funny how you're willing to post the exact foods for lysine content but not for selenium and zinc. You know you're wrong and that these nutrients cannot be obtained in sufficient amounts on a simple fruit and vegetable diet. You're making up this "sample diet" as a poor attempt to justify your unsubstantiated and uneducated dietary views.


"that was a reference from a governmental body."

Apparently you don't even understand the own links you post - The one you posted recommends an SDT (suggested dietary target) of 610 mg/day of DHA + EPA + DPA for men and women for reducing chronic disease risk. This is directly from your cherry-picked source.

"my self selected job, once again, was merely to disprove your unscientific rantings about a F + V diet, by showing a reasonable amount of foods satisfying the requirements."

Better luck next time.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 04:47PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "it is not my job to do your research for you,
> further than i already have.
>
> it is very easy to select foods that provide
> nutrient levels
> for zinc and selenium that is INSUFFICIENT,
> ADEQUATE, and ABUNDANT."
>
> That's what I thought - you cannot do it. Funny
> how you're willing to post the exact foods for
> lysine content but not for selenium and zinc.

it was the same sample of foods.

if i were to post the food sample you would find all kinds of lame excuses as to why it does not satisfy the requirements of a FV diet. you would claim that nobody would eat those foods, or the amounts, or whatever.

that is why, although you are FAR TOO LAZY to do it yourself, I have left it to you, to either confirm, if you have the courage to do so, or deny.

you will do nothing, for it is far easier for you to feign ignorance than to actually do any work other than looking at study abstracts (not even the actual details of studies)



You
> know you're wrong and that these nutrients cannot
> be obtained in sufficient amounts on a simple
> fruit and vegetable diet. You're making up this
> "sample diet" as a poor attempt to justify your
> unsubstantiated and uneducated dietary views.
>

see above

>
> "that was a reference from a governmental body."
>
> Apparently you don't even understand the own links
> you post - The one you posted recommends an SDT
> (suggested dietary target) of 610 mg/day of DHA +
> EPA + DPA for men and women for reducing chronic
> disease risk. This is directly from your
> cherry-picked source.


you do not need to hit suggested dietary targets, that is why they are "suggested". you need to hit actual targets, taking conversion rates into consideration, which has been done.

>
> "my self selected job, once again, was merely to
> disprove your unscientific rantings about a F + V
> diet, by showing a reasonable amount of foods
> satisfying the requirements."
>
> Better luck next time.

your delusions are overtaking you.



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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 05:25PM

"it was the same sample of foods."

I'm delusional yet you think bananas, lettuce, celery, dates, tomatoes, and mangoes provides sufficient amounts of selenium and zinc - hilarious. Not even close. The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot provide a strict fruit and vegetable sample diet that provides these vital nutrients in sufficiency.

"you do not need to hit suggested dietary targets, that is why they are "suggested". you need to hit actual targets, taking conversion rates into consideration, which has been done."

Now you're picking and choosing different bits of information from the exact same source - simply what you want to believe because you're too entrenched in dogmatic beliefs to admit you were incorrect. You posted a cherry-picked source which completely contradicted your own views - congratulations. Your own cherry-picked source doesn't even agree with your unsubstantiated opinion of optimal omega-3 intake (just like the numerous scientific studies).


Better luck next time.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 06:52PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "it was the same sample of foods."
>
> I'm delusional yet you think bananas, lettuce,
> celery, dates, tomatoes, and mangoes provides
> sufficient amounts of selenium and zinc -
> hilarious. Not even close. The simple fact of the
> matter is that you cannot provide a strict fruit
> and vegetable sample diet that provides these
> vital nutrients in sufficiency.
>

if you don't know how to use cronometer, you could just ask.

maybe i could help you.

should take you less time that it just took you to ramble on here about nothing.

> "you do not need to hit suggested dietary targets,
> that is why they are "suggested". you need to hit
> actual targets, taking conversion rates into
> consideration, which has been done."
>
> Now you're picking and choosing different bits of
> information from the exact same source - simply
> what you want to believe because you're too
> entrenched in dogmatic beliefs to admit you were
> incorrect. You posted a cherry-picked source which
> completely contradicted your own views -
> congratulations. Your own cherry-picked source
> doesn't even agree with your unsubstantiated
> opinion of optimal omega-3 intake (just like the
> numerous scientific studies).
>

if you think picking the first source that comes up in a search "cherry picked", that's fine with me. you might want to take up your issue with google instead of me though.

the SDT is for reducing chronic disease risk. that is open to debate, and is not the target of interest.

in addition, their SDT recommendations include preformed dha/epa, which is not necessary.

the AI is for preventing deficiency, which is the target of interest.



>
> Better luck next time.

you can say that a million times. doesn't make it true.

in fact, why don't you put that as a signature on all your posts?


after you manage to overcome your laziness and bring up a sample diet and see the fatty acids, zinc, selenium, then you have a right to talk. until then i suggest you cease your blathering.

of course, after you do that, when you see the same thing that i did, your excuses will be

1. cron is not accurate
2. that level of nutrients doesn't lead to optimal health
3. or some other lame excuse

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: Anon 102 ()
Date: January 30, 2015 08:19PM

fresh-- "Better luck next time.

you can say that a million times. doesn't make it true.

in fact, why don't you put that as a signature on all your posts?"


LOL

spinning smiley sticking its tongue out spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: January 30, 2015 08:28PM

"if you don't know how to use cronometer, you could just ask."

Oh don't worry, I know how to use CRON-O-Meter. Unfortunately, you cannot provide a sample fruit and vegetable diet which supplies sufficient zinc and selenium.

"the AI is for preventing deficiency, which is the target of interest."

Not my target of interest and according to your previous comments on this very thread, not yours either. My target of interest is optimal levels, which would include chronic disease prevention.

"in fact, why don't you put that as a signature on all your posts?"

Great idea, too bad it cannot be customized for specific individuals.

"after you manage to overcome your laziness and bring up a sample diet and see the fatty acids, zinc, selenium, then you have a right to talk. until then i suggest you cease your blathering."

Oh yeah, I'm lazy because you cannot post a sample fruit and vegetable diet to back up your unsubstantiated claims.

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Re: RAW HEMP PROTEIN GRASS POWDER
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 30, 2015 09:05PM

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "if you don't know how to use cronometer, you
> could just ask."
>
> Oh don't worry, I know how to use CRON-O-Meter.
> Unfortunately, you cannot provide a sample fruit
> and vegetable diet which supplies sufficient zinc
> and selenium.
>

ah, yes, the lazy generation. feed me! show me!

that way you can avoid ME critiquing your food choices. how very transparent.

I have done that. listed the foods. listed the calories.

can be done in a hundred different ways using those foods.

afraid of what you may find?

very scary.

> "the AI is for preventing deficiency, which is the
> target of interest."
>
> Not my target of interest and according to your
> previous comments on this very thread, not yours
> either. My target of interest is optimal levels,
> which would include chronic disease prevention.
>
> "in fact, why don't you put that as a signature on
> all your posts?"
>
> Great idea, too bad it cannot be customized for
> specific individuals.
>
> "after you manage to overcome your laziness and
> bring up a sample diet and see the fatty acids,
> zinc, selenium, then you have a right to talk.
> until then i suggest you cease your blathering."
>
> Oh yeah, I'm lazy because you cannot post a sample
> fruit and vegetable diet to back up your
> unsubstantiated claims.

so what you do is go to cronometer.com

then you click on add food
type a food in the search box
don't type something stupid like algae, spirulina or cacao
(the cacao that you made at home diminishes those very nutrients that you are trying to maximize here, but, hey never mind)

try bananas
then you can pick the quantity.
add some more foods.
see what you get.
report back here.

your assignment will be graded

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