Tai Wrote:
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> Fresh made me want to keep away, but Panchito's
study drew me back.


How old are you? 5?

Fresh has kept various people away on occasions. At times he appears to get overly excited and hyperactive, and can get alittle overbearing and wear people out if they haven't learnt how to handle him. I suspect those are the times when Fresh hits the bananas too hard and overdoses on the sugar, + he l suspect he is probably getting far too much copper too.


I like to keep an eye on Fresh because he can grab your leg when you least expect it, and he won't let go until you control the situation. It's important to give Fresh a nice pat on the head and divert his attention to other things so he gets off your leg. It works....Fresh is easy to handle when you work out his soft spot, he really is soft like jelly, and when you scratch his belly he is like putty in your hands.

sun and a truck driver
[www.nejm.org]

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Fresh has kept various people away on occasions.
> At times he appears to get overly excited and
> hyperactive, and can get alittle overbearing and
> wear people out if they haven't learnt how to
> handle him. I suspect those are the times when
> Fresh hits the bananas too hard and overdoses on
> the sugar, + he l suspect he is probably getting
> far too much copper too.
>
>
> I like to keep an eye on Fresh because he can grab
> your leg when you least expect it, and he won't
> let go until you control the situation. It's
> important to give Fresh a nice pat on the head and
> divert his attention to other things so he gets
> off your leg. It works....Fresh is easy to handle
> when you work out his soft spot, he really is soft
> like jelly, and when you scratch his belly he is
> like putty in your hands.


thanks, TSM, I love your silly condescending posts.
here's a tip for you.
try not to apply your own personal situation to the situation of people all around the world. much to your chagrin, there are many people doing well on many kinds of diets with access to fruits and veggies of sufficient quality to thrive.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2015 01:56PM by fresh.

"It's
> important to give Fresh a nice pat on the head and
> divert his attention to other things so he gets
> off your leg. It works....Fresh is easy to handle
> when you work out his soft spot, he really is soft
> like jelly, and when you scratch his belly he is
> like putty in your hands."

Could be the same for the GMO engineer. If they can continue to just be "kind" to each other we may have a Valentine's day match. If not Prana seems to be in the line.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Could be the same for the GMO engineer. If they
> can continue to just be "kind" to each other we
> may have a Valentine's day match. If not Prana
> seems to be in the line.

Sue, I am very saddened by this wild hyperbole as
well as all the bile that you spew here. Is this
really how you want others to see you? Do you
honestly believe that this type of thinking is
conducive to healing?

I honestly do not understand from whence comes all of
your hostility. I can assure you it is entirely
unprovoked.

You are desperately trying to insult me somehow, for
purposes that escape me. And this is the best you can
come up with? To say that I am "GMO!"

I do not eat any GMO foods. My D is from D2. But
even if I did eat them, this would be an insult only
in your mind. Not mine.

arugula wrote:

<<<Sue, I am very saddened by this wild hyperbole as well as all the bile that you spew here. … I honestly do not understand from whence comes all of your hostility. … You are desperately trying to insult me somehow, for purposes that escape me.>>>

Hey arugula,

You can't take anything ZeuS says personally, as she is an Internet Shill.

I can't help but laugh when some people comment that I am taking anything she says about me personally because I can see right straight through her. ZeuS has fooled most people here, but "THE @#$%&" has not fooled me.

By the way, I can't help but laugh every time I call ZeuS - "THE @#$%&" because that word describes her to the tee. It's funny because the word "@#$%&" just came to me out of the blue and when I looked up the definition to see if it was an appropriate word to describe her, this is what I found...

[www.merriam-webster.com]
@#$%& - usually vulgar : a contemptible person
[www.merriam-webster.com]

Peace and Love.......John

SueZ Wrote:
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> "It's
> > important to give Fresh a nice pat on the head
> and
> > divert his attention to other things so he gets
>
> > off your leg. It works....Fresh is easy to
> handle
> > when you work out his soft spot, he really is
> soft
> > like jelly, and when you scratch his belly he
> is
> > like putty in your hands."
>
> Could be the same for the GMO engineer. If they
> can continue to just be "kind" to each other we
> may have a Valentine's day match. If not Prana
> seems to be in the line.

Hold the presses - after unreciprocated flattery and "wave" to her obvious first choice he has just now finally noticed the profoundly desperate damsel in self proclaimed distress. Could be a match for two number lovers.

If you can't drink it, because it is obxnious to your senses, natures way of protecitng you, then you don't need it! GAH

"It's funny because the word "@#$%&" just came to me out of the blue"...

How amazing that someone who has fished out, counted, and weighed all their @#$%& for decades had the word @#$%& come to them out of the blue.

You are so amazingly t-u-r-dcreative.

Quote

If you study the long lived Sahddus and Rishis of India, or the Taoists, you will find that they they were not simplistic raw foodists to achieve their longevity, but alchemists of the highest order. Comparing OURseleves to rabbits or any animal really, is folly. I mean we've been into space for "gods" sake...(Apples and Oranges)

I was with you into you mentioned going into space as being an achievement worthy of mentioning...going into space using (highly primitive) technology is not an accomplishment by any means, we can do so much more than that.

Technology only exists to do the things for us that we have forgotten we can do naturally.

The @#$%& wrote:

<<<How amazing that someone who has fished out, counted, and weighed all their @#$%& for decades had the word @#$%& come to them out of the blue.>>>

Yes, as an Excremental Scientist, I have documented all of my BMs ever since I did my 90 Day Juice Fast back in 1994. Indeed, I wish someone else had already done this research, but they haven't, so I have taken it upon myself to do so for the benefit others. I realize that "helping others" is a foreign concept for you, so I don't expect for you to understand.

As a side note, some of my students use strainers to capture what comes out of them while on a Juice Fast, but since I ALWAYS squat when I defecate, I simply line a bowl with TP, set it on the floor and defecate as if I was in nature. This makes it real easy to document without "fishing anything out" of the toilet and there's absolutely no mess or stench whatsoever.

fresh Wrote:
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> 1. aren't the studies referenced here showing
> positive effects using heated oils? why would
> those studies be relevant if one is claiming raw
> coconut oil is better?

[www.tropicaltraditions.com]

Thanks Fresh for the great finding.

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This study also confirmed that virgin coconut oil produced with heat produced the highest amounts of antioxidants: "The antioxidant activity in the HEVCO group was 80-87%, 65-70% in CEVCO, and 35-45% in CCO." The researchers went on to comment why heat is necessary to produce the highest amounts of antioxidants in virgin coconut oil:

"The increased polyphenol level in the HEVCO group may be due to increased release of bound polyphenols by heating. Coconut milk is an emulsion of oil and water that is stabilized by protein. To recover the oil from coconut milk, the protein bond has to be broken by heat in a double walled boiler known as a VCO cooker (steam jacket vessel developed by Central Plantation Crops Research Institute) under slow heating to allow the protein to coagulate and release the oil." Hypocholesterimic effects of cold and hot extracted virgin coconut oil (VCO) in comparison to commercial coconut oil: Evidence from a male wistar albino rat model Food Science and Biotechnology December 2013, Volume 22, Issue 6, pp 1501-1508

So virgin coconut oils produced by wet-milling and being marketed as "no heat" or "raw" or "cold-pressed" are actually virgin coconut oils with lower levels of antioxidants, according to this body of research.

I wonder what jtprindl have to say to the above. He has been using the raw (best) cooked (worst) argument in many occasions without bringing any studies forward. Probably, the studies that show good results from coconut oil were from "cooked" oils. But he likes to raise the raw flag when getting into trouble. Now we know that, with respect to coconut oil, it is the other way around.

jtprindl wrote:

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Again, you are failing to distinguish raw, extra-virgin coconut oil between cooked animal fats.

jtprindl wrote:

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Now you're resorting to the same bogus things you've posted in the past which again has zero relevance to the actual topic. You're in complete denial and you clearly cannot logically follow the conversation. Just because coconut oil has a little palmitic acid, and palmitic acid (from cooked/refined/animal sources, not raw extra-virgin coconut oil) has been shown to have harmful effects, does NOT mean in any way that overall coconut oil is unhealthy.

what studies is jtprindl using to base his strong opinion?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2015 08:37PM by Panchito.

"I wonder what jtprindl have to say to the above. He has been using the raw (best) cooked (worst) argument in many occasions without bringing any studies forward. Probably, the studies that show good results from coconut oil were from "cooked" oils. But he likes to raise the raw flag when getting into trouble. Now we know that, with respect to coconut oil, it is the other way around."

Doesn't have any relevance considering cooking also produces toxins that are inflammatory. Also, you can have "raw" coconut oil that is refined and processed. The amount of antioxidants contained with heated versus raw coconut oil has nothing to do with coconut oil causing heart disease or not. Regardless of its antioxidant content, which is going to be low whether it's heated or cooked, coconut does not promote heart disease.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2015 09:26PM by jtprindl.

Sure. If cooking produces inflamatory toxins, and the "good" studies of coconut oil were done with toxic cooked oils, where are your studies about Raw coconut oils? You usually dump a tail of studies. Let us see them please. Remember, they have to say they used raw coconut oil.

Panchito Wrote:
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> Sure. If cooking produces inflamatory toxins, and
> the "good" studies of coconut oil were done with
> toxic cooked oils, where are your studies about
> Raw coconut oils? You usually dump a tail of
> studies. Let us see them please. Remember, they
> have to say they used raw coconut oil.


You don't even realize how clueless you look right now and cannot even keep up with the same argument. I already showed you why your logic on coconut oil promoting heart disease was completely faulty and posted plenty of studies in regards to the benefits of MCT's (fats rich in coconut oil) as well virgin coconut oil.

no studies but instead goes to personal attack mode. Hmm. So, there no studies and you still talk like preaching from the altar? Isn't talking from false claims and knowledge called a fraud?

Panchito Wrote:
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> no studies but instead goes to personal attack
> mode. Hmm. So, there no studies and you still talk
> like preaching from the altar? Isn't talking from
> false claims and knowledge called a fraud?


What are you even talking about? Responding to you is pointless.

Living Food wrote:
"Technology only exists to do the things for us that we have forgotten we can do naturally."

Words are cheap, prove it...

arugula wrote:

sun and a truck driver
[www.nejm.org]

Ya, his arms under a magnifying glass for years, what about his diet, filled woth Sun foods?

So let me get this straight, you want to eat a diet rich in Sun-filled fruits and vegetables, but you won't go out in the Sun to grow said diet? That means you have to live on the back of those minorities with proper skin conditioning. Seems like a dis-connect...

Red colored and sweet is the visible token of life and
love, white, pale, colorless, bitter, the token of di
sease and
overwhelming by mucus, the slow dying away of the
individual. Corpsecolor! (Ehret)

I bought a house on a very shady lot so that the utility bills would be low. It is too shady to grow food. I have tried, the plants get only so tall and then they wilt. But I am also on city water which is very costly, so irrigation would make it cost-ineffective.

So now I am being criticized for not growing my food and contributing to the exploitation of migrant workers. But I probably have much lower utility bills than most. And I probably eat a lot less than most. And I definitely eat very low on the food chain.

Not many people here do grow their own food. Is this a new requirement?

I don't want to look like that truck driver. Do you? If you feel this is a normal, healthy part of the aging process, you are mistaken. It is elective damage. You see it all the time when people living in areas of higher insolation compared to that of their ancestors. You also see it all the time in raw vegans who deliberately expose themselves because the sun is so good for them. It's not good for skin.

Panchito Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1. aren't the studies referenced here showing
> > positive effects using heated oils? why would
> > those studies be relevant if one is claiming
> raw
> > coconut oil is better?
>
> [www.tropicaltraditions.com]
> oconut_oil.htm
>
> Thanks Fresh for the great finding.
>
> This study also confirmed that virgin coconut oil
> produced with heat produced the highest amounts of
> antioxidants: "The antioxidant activity in the
> HEVCO group was 80-87%, 65-70% in CEVCO, and
> 35-45% in CCO." The researchers went on to comment
> why heat is necessary to produce the highest
> amounts of antioxidants in virgin coconut oil:
>
> "The increased polyphenol level in the HEVCO group
> may be due to increased release of bound
> polyphenols by heating. Coconut milk is an
> emulsion of oil and water that is stabilized by
> protein. To recover the oil from coconut milk, the
> protein bond has to be broken by heat in a double
> walled boiler known as a VCO cooker (steam jacket
> vessel developed by Central Plantation Crops
> Research Institute) under slow heating to allow
> the protein to coagulate and release the oil."
> Hypocholesterimic effects of cold and hot
> extracted virgin coconut oil (VCO) in comparison
> to commercial coconut oil: Evidence from a male
> wistar albino rat model Food Science and
> Biotechnology December 2013, Volume 22, Issue 6,
> pp 1501-1508
>
> So virgin coconut oils produced by wet-milling and
> being marketed as "no heat" or "raw" or
> "cold-pressed" are actually virgin coconut oils
> with lower levels of antioxidants, according to
> this body of research.
>
> I wonder what jtprindl have to say to the above.
> He has been using the raw (best) cooked (worst)
> argument in many occasions without bringing any
> studies forward. Probably, the studies that show
> good results from coconut oil were from "cooked"
> oils. But he likes to raise the raw flag when
> getting into trouble. Now we know that, with
> respect to coconut oil, it is the other way
> around.
>
> jtprindl wrote:
> Again, you are failing to distinguish raw,
> extra-virgin coconut oil between cooked animal
> fats.
>
> jtprindl wrote:
> Now you're resorting to the same bogus things
> you've posted in the past which again has zero
> relevance to the actual topic. You're in complete
> denial and you clearly cannot logically follow the
> conversation. Just because coconut oil has a
> little palmitic acid, and palmitic acid (from
> cooked/refined/animal sources, not raw
> extra-virgin coconut oil) has been shown to have
> harmful effects, does NOT mean in any way that
> overall coconut oil is unhealthy.
>
> what studies is jtprindl using to base his strong
> opinion?


I am not fussed whether coconut fat has antioxidants or not, l am getting more than enough from my sprouted foods. If l lived on a diet high in store bought fruit and vegetables l would be concerned because we know large amounts of antioxidants can be lost in short periods of time according to the studies, but no such losses with sprouts.

John Rose Wrote:
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>
> You can't take anything ZeuS says personally, as
> she is an Internet Shill.


John,

you once pulled me up for accidently misrepresenting you, how can we be sure you are not misrepresenting Seuz by calling her a shill? How can you be so sure she is a shill, where is your evidence?

[en.wikipedia.org]

If you don't have any evidence l would like you to act with honour and apologise to Suez.

Remember John...when l accidently misrepresented you l apologised immediately because l try to act with honour, so if you are moderately evolved (as opposed to lowly evolved) l would expect the same from you.

John, again....where is the proof that Suez is a shill? Please don't go on rambles trying to justify your opinion, prove it with solid documentation that Seuz has admitted being a plant!

Hey Brian,

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

I realize that a lot of people do NOT see what I see for numerous reasons and here's one of them that explains a gift that was given to me...

[www.naturalnews.com]

John Rose Wrote:
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> Hey Brian,
>
> If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
> walks like a duck, it's a duck.



Talk is cheap John.

>
> I realize that a lot of people do NOT see what I
> see for numerous reasons and here's one of them
> that explains a gift that was given to me...



Is it a gift or just a delusion? Remember that you have made the suggestion that l may also work for the other side. I need be l can swear on an affidavit to say l am above board with penalty of 25 years jail if l am caught lying.

Remember John...sometimes perceptions can be delusions. I can perceive very well much of the time, but l am not seeing Suez as one of `them'. The thing with Suez is that she doesn't suffer nonsense gladly...she is very practical and doesn't live in the dream philosophy world. She has a good balance of right and left brain. She is a raw vegan.

We don't want to make too many accusations about a person unless we have something more solid to go on. Sure she has rubbed people's faces in the dirt, but surely we can move past our egos and look at the good things she has brought to this forum such as knowledge and personal help for others in need. People have even told me she is quite a nice person behind the scenes, and she can be. It's not all an act either,



The human robots brought on by almost total enslavment by the system


l can sense a good heart and connection, and most people l sense don't have that good heart because their potential to emit light has been drowned out by the system they worship. Yes...most people are the walking dead and their hearts are close to empty, for that is the purpose of the system...it sucks the life out of us and takes away our narural powers, and that is why the third eyes are no longer active...we worship satan's system as a distraction and forget who we are.

All l sense around me are robots. Not all are completely robots, but most are mainly robot. If we continue with GM foods, supermarket foods, big pharma drugs etc l am sure that mankind could become complete robots without any compassion. Apparently there are worlds like that where no-one has any compassion, so l believe it can happen here if we continue to feel all warm and fuzzy about our slavery in the system.



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> John Rose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > You can't take anything ZeuS says personally,
> as
> > she is an Internet Shill.
>
>
> John,
>
> you once pulled me up for accidently
> misrepresenting you, how can we be sure you are
> not misrepresenting Seuz by calling her a shill?
> How can you be so sure she is a shill, where is
> your evidence?
>
> [en.wikipedia.org]
>
> If you don't have any evidence l would like you to
> act with honour and apologise to Suez.
>
> Remember John...when l accidently misrepresented
> you l apologised immediately because l try to act
> with honour, so if you are moderately evolved (as
> opposed to lowly evolved) l would expect the same
> from you.
>
> John, again....where is the proof that Suez is a
> shill? Please don't go on rambles trying to
> justify your opinion, prove it with solid
> documentation that Seuz has admitted being a
> plant!

Thanks, TSM, for coming to my defense. I am not a shill nor am I Jewish - another one of the labels he keeps trying to pin on me so his likeminded bunker buddies will get his "big picture genius kind of guy" view of me. (ROFL at his latest posted link that he says was "gifted" to him - just priceless).


The mystery of his big picture view is not so much in his endless lies but how a puffed up gas bag of a clown with no training or credentials whatsoever can get 1000's of his so called "clients" paying him to @#$%& into screens to catch "mucoid plaque", etc.

>The amount of antioxidants contained with heated versus raw coconut oil has nothing to do with coconut oil causing heart disease or not. Regardless of its antioxidant content, which is going to be low whether it's heated or cooked, coconut does not promote heart disease.

1. you have no idea of the difference between them
2. antioxidants do impact heart disease so it may have "something to do with"

the point is that it is not so clear as to raw vs cooked/processed coco oil.

I suspect there is very little difference between the two, therefore all the talk of "it must be raw" is not necessarily valid.

if anyone has any good links to polynesian diet and health please share.

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Words are cheap, prove it...

I am not here to prove anything, I am just here to give a different view on things. Some people will find it beneficial and some will not, but either way it doesn't affect me.

I am surprised that you are aware of the benefits of the sun but unaware of many of the other spiritual things going on behind the scenes. Then again it's probably best not to talk too much about such things, even most of the people on this highly alternative board live securely in the physical. Have a wonderful day and keep on getting that sun for increased health and wisdom!

Edit: words are indeed very cheap and most of the things we say every day are actually to our detriment, and talking is a very undesirable activity for the most part. I was tempted to write a long post on this subject but decided to refrain



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2015 12:54AM by Living Food.

I keep hearing references of polynesian diets and high fat and health CV.

please provide information regarding that .

why do these two references show wildly diverging fat amounts?
both from 1980's

hawaiian diet

10%fat

[www.papaolalokahi.org]


shows 30+%

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

i would suggest that there may be more things to consider with fat intake other than vascular disease, such as oxygen transport, bodyweight, etc.

also Saturated fat is not necessary in your diet since the human body can synthesize it on its own, so why all the hubbub?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2015 01:07AM by fresh.

The antioxidant content found in coconut oil is going to be low regardless of whether it is cooked or raw, so the fact raw may contain lower amounts than cooked is irrelevant. Besides, this is not the original argument against coconut oil anyways, it was that coconut oil is unhealthy because it contains saturated fat even though the vast majority are medium-chain fatty acids and different than the saturated fats found in animal products. Even if we want to assume that cooked is no different than raw when it comes to coconut oil, there's still a difference between refined and highly processed coconut oil and unrefined virgin coconut oil. What is it with people changing arguments around here (not just this thread) when their initial one or two arguments are debunked - just admit you have a bias and an unwillingness/too much ego to entertain the possibility that you are wrong and move on.

[www.livestrong.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2015 01:00AM by jtprindl.