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High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 05:54PM Another blow to the high fat diets. AGEs are high in fatty foods. Oils go through the roof. A high fat diet could be detrimental for a healthy mind in the later years 60+.
Measured AGEs in foods (highest on fatty foods): [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] [nutritionfacts.org]
Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:03PM "Our modern diet include excessive AGE’s, which can be neurotoxic."
1.) Raw food diet isn't the modern diet. 2.) What is "excessive"? "Another blow to the high fat diets. AGEs are high in fatty foods. Oils go through the roof. " 1.) You've admitted to eating 1-2 cups of nuts per day. 2.) There's no information regarding the quality of oils used on that AGE list and most of them were cooked. Does Michael Greger ever talk about anything other than high-fat animal product diets? Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:18PM It's probably junk fat. But I think it's important to consider that while not all fats are equal, they may all some similar properties, i.e. being lipid soluble is a very important quality.
While fatty foods cooked in fast-food deep fryers that have been through 100s of cooking cycles are tremendously bad for health (especially if eaten often), they are still fat. Still soluble in fat, still not soluble in water. Like healthy undamaged fats, they can still go places where healthy undamaged fats can go, too. What I am trying to say is that undamaged fats and raw fats still have a great deal in common. I'd also be cautious about thinking that undamaged fats are purely safe. Where you have fat, you have lipid peroxidation, and those lipid peroxidation products are leading to high measures of AGEs (in this case, CML) which are present even in the raw avocado and uncooked nuts/seeds. I'd be cautious about thinking that just because it's raw, there's nothing to worry about. I avoid excess in all things except for maybe variety and leaves. But even there I am going out on a limb. The one foodstuff that is almost assuredly safe in massive quantities based on what I have read is the cooked sweet potato. Okinwanan centenarians did really well with it as the majority of their calories. We don't have any high fat super centenarian populations. It's risky. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 06:21PM by arugula. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:42PM "I'd also be cautious about thinking that undamaged fats are purely safe. Where you have fat, you have lipid peroxidation, and those lipid peroxidation products are leading to high measures of AGEs (in this case, CML) which are present even in the raw avocado and uncooked nuts/seeds."
The definition of an advanced glycation end product is the addition of a carbohydrate to a protein without the involvement of an enzyme. Does anyone know what enzyme this is referring to? I would like to see the AGE content of sprouted nuts/seeds versus unsprouted nuts/seeds, maybe since sprouting significantly increases enzymatic activity, AGE content is significantly diminished? Also, we must be aware of the various ways the body gets rid of AGE's. "We don't have any high fat super centenarian populations. It's risky." That's also not the only measuring factor when it comes to long-lived populations, either. Most of these populations eat plant-based diets as well. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:52PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > "Our modern diet include excessive AGE’s, which > can be neurotoxic." > > 1.) Raw food diet isn't the modern diet. The following is a measurement. There is no room for philosophical debates. [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] AGES otal MG nmol/100 mL Total CML kU/100 mL Olive oil, fresh (Colavita, Linden, NJ) 7,700 5,852 Olive oil, heated at 100°C for 5 min (Colavita, Linden, NJ) 9,700 6,295 I also remeber that "coldpress" olive oil did not help at all. It was high in AGEs. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 06:57PM "The following is a measurement. There is no room for philosophical debates."
I know you'd like it to be that way, but that's not the case. There is no mention of whether that olive oil is refined or highly processed. We know nothing about the quality of oil being used so we can't make any serious conclusions about the data. Extra-virgin olive oil contains many powerful phytochemicals associated with longevity, so even if we wanted to assume that the absolute best quality olive oil was used for these AGE charts, you have to consider the risk-benefit factor. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:03PM your argument is weak. You automatically assume the test was made with olive oil with bad qualities but you don't know. However, it does say that the olive oil was fresh. Anybody can have pop ideas to try to make things look bad. It just happen that you dont have any evidence to your arguments. Nobody on the mediterranean diet ate this superfresh-unrefined oil you imagine. Positive tests of olive oil were made with regular plain oil. And all olive oils are processed foods. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 07:06PM by Panchito. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:05PM "but you don't know."
Either do you, hence why I said "We know nothing about the quality of oil being used so we can't make any serious conclusions about the data". Extra-virgin olive oil contains many powerful phytochemicals associated with longevity, so even if we wanted to assume that the absolute best quality olive oil was used for these AGE charts, you have to consider the risk-benefit factor. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:05PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The definition of an advanced glycation end > product is the addition of a carbohydrate to a > protein without the involvement of an enzyme. Does > anyone know what enzyme this is referring to? glycotransferases. Enzymes just speed up reactions. >I > would like to see the AGE content of sprouted > nuts/seeds versus unsprouted nuts/seeds, maybe > since sprouting significantly increases enzymatic > activity, AGE content is significantly diminished? Not for the reasons that you think, but because as the sprout grows, it uses up most of the lipid content of the seed. As the lipid content reduces, so does the AGE content. > Also, we must be aware of the various ways the > body gets rid of AGE's. Prevention is better than cure. > That's also not the only measuring factor when it > comes to long-lived populations, either. Most of > these populations eat plant-based diets as well. Yes, they all do eat mostly plants. But there aren't any high fat diets among them. There's a lot more to be learned than reading abstracts posted from the LEF website. They have a profit motive and their purpose is to try to get people to buy their products. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:14PM "Yes, they all do eat mostly plants. But there aren't
any high fat diets among them." There also aren't any vegan or 100% raw food diets among them either. "glycotransferases. Enzymes just speed up reactions." Right but it seems that the more enzymes present, the less chance of AGE's being formed. Maybe that's why Lou Corona, who eats lots of fat, looks very young - he consumes lots of systemic enzymes. "Not for the reasons that you think, but because as the sprout grows, it uses up most of the lipid content of the seed. As the lipid content reduces, so does the AGE content." Yes I was also aware of this but that doesn't necessarily mean the enzyme content doesn't play a factor. Also, that's another thing to consider with the sample diet I provided before, I only eat sprouted flax and sunflower so the fat content is likely less than what was shown on CRON-O-Meter. I don't think it has too much of an impact on total ALA, though, but not sure. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2015 07:15PM by jtprindl. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:24PM There also aren't any vegan or 100% raw food diets among them either.
This is an excellent observation. I think that very few people can maintain a 100% raw food vegan diet in the long term. I do cooked legumes. I take B12 and D supplements. A lot of the CR people eat very little raw food and they have great biomarkers and look young,too. Right but it seems that the more enzymes present, the less chance of AGE's being formed. It depends on the specific enzyme. Some will speed up glycosylation and some will have other jobs for the growing seedling. Maybe that's why Lou Corona, who eats lots of fat, looks very young - he consumes lots of systemic enzymes. I would not say it's the enzymes, but I do not know the other details of his diet and lifestyle for the last 39 years. The only thing that shows his age is his neck. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 07:33PM "I would not say it's the enzymes, but I do not know the other details of his diet and lifestyle for the last 39 years."
I don't know, the large amount of enzymes and fermented foods seems to the one consistent factor in his diet over all these years. "Some will speed up glycosylation and some will have other jobs for the growing seedling." I wouldn't be surprised if some also inhibit glycosylation. "A lot of the CR people eat very little raw food and they have great biomarkers and look young,too." What is the definition of calorie restriction in these studies? Is it under X amount of calories in general or is it based upon the individual? Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
Panchito
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:08PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Right but it seems that the more enzymes present, > the less chance of AGE's being formed. Maybe > that's why Lou Corona, who eats lots of fat, looks > very young. Maybe there is another explanation. He seems to have lots of subcutaneous fat from his high fat diet. The subcutaneous fat acts as a filler that smoothes the wrinkles out. He also seems to have some belly fat and always wear a tubular Pavarotty style shirt (a curtain). If he were to wear a belt, maybe he would look fatter. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:08PM [www.scientificpsychic.com]
"In animal experiments, scientists divide a set of genetically homogeneous animals into an experimental group and a control group. They measure how much a control group eats, and then use that amount as the basis for determining how much to feed the experimental CR group, e.g., 30% less, etc." Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:13PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > > Maybe there is another explanation. He seems to > have lots of subcutaneous fat from his high fat > diet. The subcutaneous fat acts as a filler that > smoothes the wrinkles out. He also seems to have > some belly fat and always wear a tubular Pavarotty > style shirt (a curtain). If he were to wear a > belt, maybe he would look fatter. yes that is more likely. and then there's genetics too i have to admit though, DG seems to have aged rapidly. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:17PM Lou Corona doesn't look fat at all lol but he also has a head full of black hair in his mid-60's. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:18PM There are also peels, lasers, dermal fillers, tretinoin, and tazarotene.
I have my suspicions about some of the over 40s with delectably smooth skin. I will not mention any names but it is interesting to see how smooth they became compared to 3 years ago. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:53PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Lou Corona doesn't look fat at all lol but he also > has a head full of black hair in his mid-60's. he's definitely holding some extra fat - seen him without shirt in pool he is a good gymnast. but then again i just saw a guy in his 80's who was just as good - non raw. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:55PM jtprindl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Lou Corona doesn't look fat at all lol but he also > has a head full of black hair in his mid-60's. ever heard of hair dye? brian C dyes his hair too Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 08:59PM fresh Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > jtprindl Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Lou Corona doesn't look fat at all lol but he > also > > has a head full of black hair in his mid-60's. > > > ever heard of hair dye? > > brian C dyes his hair too Evidence? Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:03PM in the video where brian was being interviewed by the reporter. brown dye. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
jtprindl
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Date: February 16, 2015 09:12PM fresh Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > in the video where brian was being interviewed by > the reporter. brown dye. What video? He admitted it or you're just guessing? Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 16, 2015 11:13PM where the reporter was questioning him about him being recently sued.
what's to guess about? he has black hair, and it was dyed brown in the front to remove the gray. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: February 16, 2015 11:19PM I mentioned it, too, a couple of weeks ago. In every video he has a different color of hair. I don't know if he is blonde, brunette, redhead, all of the above, some of the above, or none of the above. I couldn't decide! Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: February 17, 2015 10:41AM On certain hair colors, especially those with a lot of red in them like Brian Clement's, a lot of what may appear to be dyeing is heavily reliant on lighting conditions when photographed and natural sun bleaching.
I see no evidence that he Clement is dyeing his hair. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: February 17, 2015 11:10AM arugula Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > brunette > [www.youtube.com] > > blonde with dark roots > [www.youtube.com] > > light blonde > [www.youtube.com] Lighting and sun bleaching cannot be ruled out at all with these videos. In the video you've called "blond with dark roots" the variation is due to the extreme angles of his hair style catching the light differently combined with what photography does with color. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 17, 2015 04:01PM dude dyes his hair. come on now.
Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: February 17, 2015 04:21PM fresh Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > dude dyes his hair. come on now. Outside in in the sun in the summer my hair looks that light. Indoor photos and my hair looks that dark. I do not dye my hair. That's how it is with certain colors of hair and photography with reds. Re: High fat diets and dementia
Posted by:
fresh
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Date: February 17, 2015 05:05PM good. show us a picture Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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