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The longevity diet: Diet of the longest-living cultures
John Robbins, in Healthy at 100: The Scientifically Proven Secrets of the World's Healthiest and Longest-Lived Peoples, describes the lifestyles and dietary patterns of the long-lived cultures of the Abkhasia of Southern Russia, the Vicalbamba Indians of the Ecuadorian Andes and the Hunza of North Pakistan.

He found that the percentage of calories they obtained daily was between 69-73% carbohydrates, 15-18% from fat and 10-13% from protein.

Overall daily calories ranged between 1,700 -1,800, while the Abkhasia ate 90% plant foods and the Vilcabamba and Hunza ate 99% plant foods.

All three ate low amounts of salt, zero sugar or processed food, and had no incidence of obesity and other common diseases.

"Overall daily calories ranged between 1,700 -1,800, while the Abkhasia ate 90% plant foods and the Vilcabamba and Hunza ate 99% plant foods. "

This isn't true and is biased towards veganism to support his own agenda...

The Hunza people were never vegan or vegetarians, or even close to it, by choice. They refrained from eating many of their animals in the summer, because the animals were the main source of food in the remaining 10 months of the year. They ate a high-animal fat diet all year long, especially in winter when the consumption of animal fats increased. The butter, yogurt and cheese made from the goat, sheep and yak milk was very high in fat, especially saturated fats. Clabbered goat’s milk played a large part in the Hunza diet–they consumed it virtually at every meal. (As far as I know, goat’s milk is an ANIMAL food; it is also more fatty than cow’s milk.) In winter, as with the Eskimo and others, the Hunza ate all that is edible of the carcase, and not the meat only.

The Hunzans ate the least meat of the four centenarian groups reviewed, and seemed to have the worst health. Clark (1956) noted that while some live to be very old, many Hunzans suffer from a variety of problems, including malaria, dysentery, worms, impetigo, goiter, dental decay, rickets and tuberculosis. It appears that those who survive the harsh early life, become immune to many diseases, and live to old age.

reference?

fresh wrote:
"reference?"

Google is your friend...

NuNativs Wrote:
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> fresh wrote:
> "reference?"
>
> Google is your friend...


i see your reference by searching for the text, all over the web.

I was asking for the original source. i figured it would be weston price - i saw it on a wp site, but don't know the original.

this was actually the part that was interesting but don't know of accuracy

He found that the percentage of calories they obtained daily was between 69-73% carbohydrates, 15-18% from fat and 10-13% from protein.

Come on everyone knows that the key to longevity is 3 Dr. Pepper's a day

104 Year Old Drinks 3 a Day

"Make health your hobby, don't take it seriously"
Paul Bragg

NuNativs,

I'm just wondering, if you are raw vegan, vegan, or vegetarian, why are you promoting meat/meat product consumption?

I'm not just referring to this thread. I'm also referring to page 3 of "My only reservation about veganism", where you include consumption of meat and fish in your list of "Lessons" we can learn from Icaria.

If you're NOT raw vegan, vegan, or even vegetarian, why are you here?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2015 06:52PM by suncloud.

suncloud Wrote:
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> NuNativs,
>
> I'm just wondering, if you are raw vegan, vegan,
> or vegetarian, why are you promoting meat/meat
> product consumption?
>
> I'm not just referring to this thread. I'm also
> referring to page 3 of "My only reservation about
> veganism", where you include consumption of meat
> and fish in your list of "Lessons" we can learn
> from Icaria.
>
> If you're NOT raw vegan, vegan, or even
> vegetarian, why are you here?


Suncloud, maybe he's trying to se if Prana loves him more than he loves Powerlifter. I guess the answer is yes. Powerlifter was banned with FAR less "meaty" provocation, IMO.

suncloud wrote:
"I'm just wondering, if you are raw vegan, vegan, or vegetarian, why are you promoting meat/meat product consumption?"

I'm here to learn about sardines, fermented urine and the health implications of circumcision of course, well mostly the entertainment

As I said I am interested in health and longevity. Got started 30+ years ago with macrobiotics, then raw foods, vegan, vegetarian etc. Read obsessively all the health books and went to expos and events where the authors showed up.

Worked at a large health food coop for 15 years and got to observe all the different dietary philosophys and the people who lived them. Noticed many vegan and raw vegan moms bringing in their kids with stunted growth, clear teeth etc.

Came across the Weston Price crowd, Paleo and the like as a counterbalance. If it was health related I was interested mainly driven by my desire for long Life and robust health.

Now at my age I am not so adamantly convinced that simply being vegan or raw is any kind of panacea. I was the guy screaming in your face that meat and milk will give you cancer. Panchitos statement of "They are usually talking about hospital visists, medical care, insurance, deaths, being tired, looking old, and eating meat in restaurants to celebrate with meat." is complete folly.

People want certainty, but one thing I've learned is that Life is uncertain. As I have seen many of my health heros die young and of diseases they weren't supposed to get, and tribal and primitive people living to advanced ages of diets that included lots of animal foods I just gotta throw up my hands and realize there is no guarantee.

Enjoying our precious moments is all we can do. Since this is a board about "health" that is what I come to absorb, but absolutest statements don't sit well with me, so I play devils advocate and bring up the numerous examples of contradiction...(gods clown t.m.)

[www.maturitas.org]

Longevity and Diet. Myth or pragmatism?

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Diet has been considered as a non-pharmaceutical therapy for several chronic diseases. A healthy lifestyle – especially avoiding cardiovascular disease and its risk factors – should include a healthy diet. The guidelines for cardiovascular disease prevention include dietary recommendations (made on the basis of the specific characteristics of several foodstuffs) and behavior modification [11]. Diet may play a substantial role in promoting human health and prolonging life;

NuNativs, do you think a raw vegan or a vegan diet CAN be healthy and CAN lead to longevity? (I'm not talking about ALL raw/vegan diets, since there are many variations - some not so healthy. I'm talking about ANY raw/vegan diet)

If not, you're probably on the wrong forum, because this is not just a "health" forum. This is a VEGAN "health" forum. (Oops, detour)

If so, what is your concept of a raw vegan or vegan diet that CAN be healthy and CAN lead to longevity?

Suncloud, if you google NuNativs, you get this:

NuNativs (Living Free): [www.youtube.com]

eats hogdogs, pizzas, sodas, etc. Hope it is a different person and not wasting our time.

suncloud:
Yes I think it may be possible thus my interest and participation, but an unsupplemented vegan diet according to NH standards, is a recipe for slow suicide IMO.

I am attracted to ALL health forums and especially those that talk the longevity/diease free angle, thus this one, not to mention that I have spent decades in the raw/vegan sphere eating this type of diet myself.

The main thing is that diet has led me to nature and the desire to immerse in it and be close to it like Thoreau. He was vegetarian and did not live long though he wrote beautifully about being in nature where I feel we feel our worth and place in this universe. Working a job and shopping for food is a poor replacement.

I have a personal philosophy that the eating of animals/violence is what made us become the violent relentless creatures that we are, yet I recognize that there may be something in animal foods that imparts health benefits to people probably in the lines of what John Rose says about our secondary needs.

I remain hopeful that we can figure things out and take care of our health/longevuty AND not kill animals too. Then again I am very attracted to primitive ways and when I read books like "Tending the Wild" whereby the natives of California were gardening the entire state AND enjoying a high state of health on a 70% plant based diet, I can't help but feel nostalgic and that we're not really better off shopping for a "diet" at Whole Foods.

Panchito, your search led to comments I made on that guys channel, yes he eats the worst of crap which I have commented on, then again I am attracted to nomadic lifestyle i.e., RV's campers, being on the road, being free as possible, enjoying nature with the modern tools...

NuNativs Wrote:
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> Come on everyone knows that the key to longevity
> is 3 Dr. Pepper's a day
>
> 104 Year Old Drinks 3 a Day
>
> "Make health your hobby, don't take it seriously"
> Paul Bragg

One could argue that she got to 104 in spite of drinking 3 Dr. Pepper's a day.
She must be doing other things right.
Some are frugal in their diet, eating too much does not lead to a long life even if it is raw food. Constantly digesting food is too taxing to the system.
That is what makes juicing so beneficial even with the loss of fiber.

LUIGI CORNARO LIVED 102 YEARS on 12 ounces of food a day. [drbass.com]

NuNativs Wrote:
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> suncloud:
> Yes I think it may be possible thus my interest
> and participation, but an unsupplemented vegan
> diet according to NH standards, is a recipe for
> slow suicide IMO.
>

do you think dr graham's blase stance on b12 has contributed to what appears to be increased apparent aging or other issues?


> I am attracted to ALL health forums and especially
> those that talk the longevity/diease free angle,
> thus this one, not to mention that I have spent
> decades in the raw/vegan sphere eating this type
> of diet myself.
>
> The main thing is that diet has led me to nature
> and the desire to immerse in it and be close to it
> like Thoreau. He was vegetarian and did not live
> long though he wrote beautifully about being in
> nature where I feel we feel our worth and place in
> this universe. Working a job and shopping for food
> is a poor replacement.
>
> I have a personal philosophy that the eating of
> animals/violence is what made us become the
> violent relentless creatures that we are, yet I
> recognize that there may be something in animal
> foods that imparts health benefits to people
> probably in the lines of what John Rose says about
> our secondary needs.
>
> I remain hopeful that we can figure things out and
> take care of our health/longevuty AND not kill
> animals too. Then again I am very attracted to
> primitive ways and when I read books like "Tending
> the Wild" whereby the natives of California were
> gardening the entire state AND enjoying a high
> state of health on a 70% plant based diet, I can't
> help but feel nostalgic and that we're not really
> better off shopping for a "diet" at Whole Foods.
>
> Panchito, your search led to comments I made on
> that guys channel, yes he eats the worst of crap
> which I have commented on, then again I am
> attracted to nomadic lifestyle i.e., RV's campers,
> being on the road, being free as possible,
> enjoying nature with the modern tools...

right on. we use this camping now and hope to travel more widely in future

regarding luigi cornaro

it's just not possible

28oz of food is about 600 calories.

a 130 lb inactive man needs 1600 calories minimum.

even though it's not so simple, let's say a
3000 calorie deficit leads to 1 lb weight loss.

so after one week he would lose 2 lbs on the 7000 calorie/week deficit

after one year he would lose 100 lbs

so here is a picture of luigi after 2 years

"it's just not possible"

Maybe he only ate that much food and juiced the rest of his diet.

"Constantly digesting food is too taxing to the system."

Yeah but is it really about overall food intake or just constantly eating? Intermittent fasting gives your digestive system a long break but you can still eat a lot in the short period where you do eat.

Don't think that in the 1400s had rocking chairs (where the article above says Luigi Cornaro died). It is like making a movie of Rome but the actors caught wearing watches.

[en.wikipedia.org]

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Alvise Cornaro, often Italianised Luigi (1467 or 1484[1] – 8 May 1566)

[en.wikipedia.org]

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The first known use of the term rocking chair was in 1766.[4]

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "it's just not possible"
>
> Maybe he only ate that much food and juiced the
> rest of his diet.
>
> "Constantly digesting food is too taxing to the
> system."
>
> Yeah but is it really about overall food intake or
> just constantly eating? Intermittent fasting gives
> your digestive system a long break but you can
> still eat a lot in the short period where you do
> eat.

It is like driving a car.
Many short trips are more taxing to the car than a long trip of the same distance.
Each short trip requires a car restart and shutdown.
People selling cars know that. Too many mileages but they are high way mileages.
The digestive system is already warmed up in processing the food.
I can add more to process without a restart.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "it's just not possible"
> >
> > Maybe he only ate that much food and juiced the
> > rest of his diet.
> >
> > "Constantly digesting food is too taxing to the
> > system."
> >
> > Yeah but is it really about overall food intake
> or
> > just constantly eating? Intermittent fasting
> gives
> > your digestive system a long break but you can
> > still eat a lot in the short period where you
> do
> > eat.
>
> It is like driving a car.
> Many short trips are more taxing to the car than a
> long trip of the same distance.
> Each short trip requires a car restart and
> shutdown.
> People selling cars know that. Too many mileages
> but they are high way mileages.
> The digestive system is already warmed up in
> processing the food.
> I can add more to process without a restart.


Evidence? Prove that there is a depletion of health and longevity when more food is consumed.

Thanks NuNativs. I appreciate the clarification. I hope in the future you'll refrain from recommending animal foods here on the forum.

And I also hope you find what you're looking for!

Any suggestions you might have for fine-tuning a raw vegan or vegan diet are always welcome (at least by me). Personally, I've never heard any valid reason ever for why a vegan or raw vegan diet (with supplemented B12) might not offer everything required for a long and healthy life.

And after all, if we're interested in our OWN long lives, we might also consider helping to prevent the shortened lives of other animals by refusing to eat them.

suncloud Wrote:
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> NuNativs,
>
> I'm just wondering, if you are raw vegan, vegan,
> or vegetarian, why are you promoting meat/meat
> product consumption?
>
> I'm not just referring to this thread. I'm also
> referring to page 3 of "My only reservation about
> veganism", where you include consumption of meat
> and fish in your list of "Lessons" we can learn
> from Icaria.
>
> If you're NOT raw vegan, vegan, or even
> vegetarian, why are you here?



Good thing we have you to monitor and interpret all our comments on the board, looking for infractions. I assume even if you don't point it out and reprimand the offender, you report it to Prana or John Kohler.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

I like NuNativis' posts and didn't have an inkling that he was 'promoting meat/meat product consumption' yet you somehow gleaned that from his words. Good work. Ever think of joining the Thought Police.

With all the thought police and detectives on the board, maybe the rest of us should be lawyering up

At least memorize the Forum Rules.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2015 10:21PM by Lois.