Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
Panchito
()
Date: April 09, 2015 07:43PM [nutritionfacts.org]
Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
SueZ
()
Date: April 09, 2015 09:13PM As ever the Panchito express cut and paste cherry picked fauxfacts dot con manure. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
Panchito
()
Date: April 09, 2015 09:19PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > As ever the Panchito express cut and paste cherry > picked fauxfacts dot con manure. Are you able to engage in coversations without using offensive language? These are the scientific references obtained by clicking on "Sources Cited" Maybe you could tell us how it works. R L Westley, F E May. A twenty-first century cancer epidemic caused by obesity: the involvement of insulin, diabetes, and insulin-like growth factors. Int J Endocrinol. 2013;2013:632461 Diabetes Care. Standards of Medical Care in Diabetes—2014. American Diabetes Association. R Taylor. Banting Memorial lecture 2012: reversing the twin cycles of type 2 diabetes. Diabet Med. 2013 Mar;30(3):267-75. R Taylor. Pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes: tracing the reverse route from cure to cause. Diabetologia. 2008 Oct;51(10):1781-9. A H Lichtenstein, U S Schwab. Relationship of dietary fat to glucose metabolism. Atherosclerosis. 2000 Jun;150(2):227-43. E W Kraegen, G J Cooney. Free fatty acids and skeletal muscle insulin resistance. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2008 Jun;19(3):235-41. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
pborst
()
Date: April 09, 2015 09:53PM fat is definitely a factor in diabetes, no question. It's chewy gum in the insulin lock of putting fat into cells. Saturated fat, long chain saturated like palmetic and stearic acid and myristic acid, not the lauric acid that predominates coconut oil.
Bottom line, Panchito is right. Dr. Greger is right. Why would anyone on a raw vegan forum be eating an animal saturated fat? IOW I don't understand why there is a conflict. Seems like we all agree on the basics. What am I missing here? Paul Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
suncloud
()
Date: April 11, 2015 03:37AM It's important not to overlook the following from Panchito's quote (italics are mine):
"It’s the type of fat found predominantly in animal fats, relative to plant fats, that appears to be especially deleterious with respect to fat-induced insulin insensitivity. I.e., it's the "animal saturated fat" cited by pborst. The evidence does NOT show the same effect from plant-based fats. And the evidence is substantial. This is very good news for Type 2 Diabetics, who may now be armed with better information for managing and sometimes even reversing their condition. Unfortunately, Type 2 Diabetics are still sometimes told to eliminate "all" carbohydrates from their diets, while they load up on fatty meats to replace their lost carb calories. Regarding carbs, the recommendation for diabetics is: consistent intake throughout each day. From the USDA Nutrition Evidence Library (NEL) "What is the effect of saturated fat (SFA) intake on increased risk of cardiovascular disease or type 2 diabetes, including effects on intermediate markers such as serum lipid and lipoprotein levels?"(DGAC 2010) "Conclusion "Strong evidence indicates that dietary saturated fatty acids (SFA) are positively associated with intermediate markers and end-point health outcomes for two distinct metabolic pathways: 1) increased serum total cholesterol (TC) and LDL cholesterol (LDL-C) and increased risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) and 2) increased markers of insulin resistance and increased risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D). Conversely, decreased SFA intake improves measures of both CVD and T2D risk. The evidence shows that a five percent energy decrease in SFA, replaced by monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFA) or polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA), decreases risk of CVD and T2D in healthy adults and improves insulin responsiveness in insulin resistant and T2D subjects. "Grade "Strong" Reference: Nel.gov [Internet]. Alexandria (VA): United States Dept. of Agriculture [cited 2014, December 3]. Available from: [www.nel.gov] Notice that results change when saturated animal fat is replaced with plant-based monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids. On the other hand, Dr. Barnard, et al, has conducted highly-rated research finding that Type 2 Diabetes can be reversed on a very low fat vegan diet. Our cell membranes are made mostly of fatty acids that are supposed to retain a fluid consistency. Too much dietary animal saturated fat can clog up the membranes, alter biochemical processes, and contribute to insulin resistance. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
SueZ
()
Date: April 11, 2015 04:16AM suncloud Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > On the other hand, Dr. Barnard, et al, has > conducted highly-rated research finding that Type > 2 Diabetes can be reversed on a very low fat vegan > diet. A very low fat raw vegan diet is EXACTLY what INDUCED a pre diabetic state in me!!! I will NEVER forget my stupidity for listening to the puffed up ignorant gurus of that dietary formula for disaster. Thank God those guru's fifteen minutes of fame is almost up. It just doesn't work for too many people who are then blamed for "doing it wrong" just as the allopathic community blames the patient when IT fails. I did not get my blood sugar back under control until I went on a high fat low carb raw vegan diet. I am getting increasingly disgusted with the whole cherry picked cooked low fat/rawtill4/fauxfacts.con agenda. It rigged. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
fresh
()
Date: April 11, 2015 04:25AM >A very low fat raw vegan diet is EXACTLY what INDUCED a pre diabetic state in me!!
you have a serious problem with logic. low fat raw vegan diet does not induce a diabetic state in many people. therefore the diet by itself did not induce the state in you. health is a matter of the state of the body, and the diet, and how the diet is being done. if it did in you, as you claim, then it was caused by your body, or something wrong like overeating or many other things with what you were doing. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
SueZ
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:02AM fresh Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > >A very low fat raw vegan diet is EXACTLY what > INDUCED a pre diabetic state in me!! > > you have a serious problem with logic. > low fat raw vegan diet does not induce a diabetic > state in many people. > > therefore the diet by itself did not induce the > state in you. > > health is a matter of the state of the body, and > the diet, and how the diet is being done. > > if it did in you, as you claim, then it was caused > by your body, or something wrong like overeating > or many other things with what you were doing. "Dr." fresh, once again, I tracked everything and had full batteries of lab tests, including lipid panels, that told the tale. The high carb low fat diet was a health disaster for me and many many others. It took a year of eating high fat low carb for all of my lab work to go back within normal parameters - which is where they always were UNTIL the 11 month long hclf experiment. I lived it. You did not and you don't know anything more of what you are talking about than the puffed up credential free BS gurus you parrot. Your idiotic hot air doesn't fool me, I just hope to God you are not trying to guide people in real life or people will get hurt from your lack of knowledge and common sense. Writing a failed e-book does not make you any kind of authority. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
fresh
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:18AM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dr." fresh, once again, I tracked everything and > had full batteries of lab tests, including lipid > panels, that told the tale. The high carb low fat > diet was a health disaster for me and many many > others. It took a year of eating high fat low carb > for all of my lab work to go back within normal > parameters - which is where they always were UNTIL > the 11 month long hclf experiment. > interesting how "powerlifter" said the same thing, but when I asked him, I discovered MANY things causing his issues. as well as the MANY people i have already told you about who failed to thrive, thinking they're doing everything well enough and THEY were NOT. apparently i need to repeat myself > the diet by itself did not induce the > state in you. > > > if it did in you, as you claim, then it was caused > by your body, or something wrong like overeating > or many other things with what you were doing. that does not mean that I am denying your lab tests, although of course you have not shown anything. lab tests can be interpreted in different ways. just like your misunderstanding about triglycerides and whether high levels are a negative health indicator. mercola abandoned his diet for the same foolish reason. yes i know it was not just triglycerides. nevertheless... similarly, a like a long time ago brian clement did a test on a raw fooder here and claimed that he had health problems, when a quick review of what brian claimed was off kilter was just brian's bias and ignorance. > I lived it. You did not and you don't know > anything more of what you are talking about than > the puffed up credential free BS gurus you parrot. your body is/was a MESS ! yes, something happened. you blame the diet. Logic says NO. bodily state and possible dietary error. we are not comparing chimps to dogs. you are a human (barely) and many many others successful are human. identify the differences then that cause some to thrive and some not to. that's my point. low fat doesn't CAUSE diabetes! > Your idiotic hot air doesn't fool me, I just hope > to God you are not trying to guide people in real > life or people will get hurt from your lack of > knowledge and common sense. no, that would be this guy [www.youtube.com] Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2015 05:20AM by fresh. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
SueZ
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:26AM "Dr." Fresh if there is anything worse than a charismatic quack it's a quack who lacks a shred of charisma and tries to diagnose people he has never seen and knows nothing about over the internet. Hey, that's you, little man. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
fresh
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:29AM 2+2 over the internet is still 4
logic is logic your story explains Nothing my "story" gives possible reasons from my research and interviews and physiology. you often draw conclusions that are unwarranted. i don't trust your quackery. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
SueZ
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:36AM Dr. fresh this is quite a new level of pathetic, even for you ...
"my "story" gives possible reasons from my research and interviews and physiology." Lol. Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
fresh
()
Date: April 11, 2015 05:38AM it's just about 80% pathetic, right? Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
Tai
()
Date: April 11, 2015 06:01AM fresh wrote:
similarly, a like a long time ago brian clement did a test on a raw fooder here and claimed that he had health problems, when a quick review of what brian claimed was off kilter was just brian's bias and ignorance. Tai: Do you have a link for this? Do you have an e-book for sale? Re: Dietary fat and type II diabetes explained
Posted by:
suncloud
()
Date: April 11, 2015 06:17AM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- >> A very low fat raw vegan diet is EXACTLY what > INDUCED a pre diabetic state in me!!! My understanding is that there's currently no verifiable evidence that high carbs/low fat can actually CAUSE the insulin resistance. That's not to say it's impossible. There just isn't any evidence for that at this time (that I'm aware of). From Nutritional Care of Diabetes, 7th Edition (Joyce Green Pastors, MS,RD,CDE): "There is ... no scientific evidence that insulin resistance is a result of high-carbohydrate diets...It is increased physical activity, caloric restriction and/or moderate weight loss, and controlling fat intake that have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity..." That's where the science appears to be right now. Once a person actually HAS diabetes (or prediabetes), there's a much greater risk of abnormal sugar spikes after consuming a high-carb meal. Of course, raw food diets are completely different from the norm, and there are so far NO high-quality studies conducted for the effects of different raw food diets on diabetes/prediabetes (including Dr. Cousens' experiments, that unfortunately lack adequate controls). Also worth noting: Weight loss - regardless of the type of diet - can improve insulin sensitivity. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/11/2015 06:22AM by suncloud. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
|
|