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Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:55AM

I feel like I have been deceived about not juicing fruit. I won't name names but people from all diets, even some but not all fruitarians warn against juicing fruit. I never quite believed people anyway, because for years and years, I juiced a 25 pound bag of oranges each week and it resolved phlegm in my throat, which may have come from being raised on raw milk and getting annual strept throat infections from the milk until I turned vegan at 19.

I have been juicing fruit for a couple weeks now and it's very healing. I got a tribest shine juicer and I have been juicing nopal cactus fruits (which are beneficial for diabetes and blood sugar) with other fruit like apple, blackberries, pineapple.

Today I juiced 6 pints of blueberries. I found them at a discount store, all certified organic, $1,99 each. SOOO healing. I juiced one pint at a time and drank one pint before juicing the next one. Fresh blueberry juice is thick with pectin. It's not watery like in a pasteurized juice bottle. Fresh blueberry juice feels astringent, I could feel it activating my lymph nodes, which I have never felt eating blueberries. I run the pulp through a few times. I feel rather full after juicing all those berries.

It's different drinking thick blueberry juice compared to watery watermelon juice. Obviously they will affect the blood sugar differently, but people shouldn't make blanket statements about fruit juice.

I remember the first day I started juicing my fruit a couple weeks ago. I felt sleepy right away and I had to take a nap for a few hours. I thought, oh insulin resistance, this is bad. But the next day and every day after that, I have not felt sleepy once. It seems it was a detox for me on the first day.

I love this juicer for fruit (the shine). Twin gears are for greens.

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: John Rose ()
Date: October 09, 2019 11:58AM

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To find out if it was definitely the soluble Fiber that made this happen, the experiment was done again, but this time just with Berry Juice that had all that Sugar, but No Fiber. What was amazing was the results were almost exactly the same as the Whole Fruit Test showing us that the Beneficial Responses were pretty much the same between the Juice and the Whole Berry. This because Fruit contains Phyto-Nutrients that Block the Transportation of Sugars through our Intestinal Wall into our Blood Stream basically inhibiting some of the Uptake of Sugars by the Cells lining our Intestines. 2:46 MM

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 09, 2019 01:58PM

The reason why serious health seekers are not juicing fruits is that at the end of the juicing effort, the fruit pulp (which contains minerals and nutrients) from the juicer can be eaten, after drinking the juice. So why not eat the whole thing to begin with?

The other reason is that some health gurus like Brian Clement, Gabriel Cousens recommend limiting fruit in the diet, so juicing fruits force us eating more fruits than we really need.

There are times when we have too many fruits and it is fine to juice them.

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: October 09, 2019 04:13PM

Raw Practicalist
The reason why serious health seekers are not juicing fruits is that at the end of the juicing effort, the fruit pulp (which contains minerals and nutrients) from the juicer can be eaten, after drinking the juice. So why not eat the whole thing to begin with?

Tai
After I juiced all those blueberries yesterday, (and ran the pulp through a few times), I collected the pulp, which was mostly seeds and skin and fairly dry, and I placed the pulp in a quart mason jar. THe pulp took up about a third of the jar. I poured distilled water over it about two thirds. I will take advantage of the blue pigments being released into the water (it's soaking in the fridge), strain it, drink the rich blue water and bury the seeds. I will grow baby blueberry microgreens and grow some plants too. Let's see if the seeds are viable after being juiced a few times.

Juicing blueberries was eye-opening, in terms of power and healing. This summer I ate many pounds of blueberries in one week to see the healing effect. I did feel healing after a week of eating so many pounds. I finally felt the healing power that is claimed for the eyes, but it took many pounds. I also got those at a discount, under $2/a pint for certified organic. (right? please don't eat non-organic for healing). But though I felt the power after a week of eating the whole berries, yesterday I felt the power with each juiced pint and those berries were on the old side, not at their peak ripeness, because they had been sitting too long in the fridge, but not moldy. What I am trying to say is that if I ate those same old berries, I would have felt not much at all, whereas juicing them, I felt a wonderful healing.

DOn't get me wrong! If I get super-ripe, sweet, perfect blueberries, I am going to eat them. But now I am hooked on juicing berries. Later I will share my experience juicing blackberries.

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 10, 2019 02:47AM

[www.endocrinologynetwork.com]
100 Percent Fruit Juice Does Not Affect Blood Sugar Levels

I've been juicing a lot lately. Watermelon, orange, cucumber, carrot... Today I just had 24 ounces of orange-pomegranate. Can't wait for tangelos to be in season to make tangelo-pomegranate. I usually take algae with them as well which further balances blood sugar.

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 10, 2019 02:51AM

If one were to have one healthy habit, daily pomegranate juice would certainly be one of the most powerful.

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 10, 2019 03:06AM

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
Fresh pomegranate juice ameliorates insulin resistance, enhances B-cell function, and decreases fasting serum glucose in type 2 diabetic patients

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 10, 2019 10:02AM

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jtprindl
If one were to have one healthy habit, daily pomegranate juice would certainly be one of the most powerful.

These are fruits that imported from far away regions of the world, they are not as good for our health as indoor growing micro greens or tomatoes growing in the backyard.

Nutrients are irrelevant, what count is how fresh and living the food is.

I bought one last week it was not ripe










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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: October 10, 2019 01:27PM

JTP, what juicer are you using for pomegranate?

Raw Practicalist
These are fruits that imported from far away regions of the world,

Tai
I think this is still a good thing. It is God's mercy to be able to export coconuts to everyone, even in snowy areas. I would want coconut and citrus fruits, banana, aloe and cactus no matter where I lived, even in ALaska. Pomegranates grow here in California and there are too many of them for us to eat, so it's better to share with you on east coast. The wild parrots come to eat pomegranates but there are still too many. Please help us eat them or they will go to waste.

I myself do not like to eat pomegranates. Too much time. SO the only way I consume them is to juice them. I like to juice them with fuji apples. Unripe fruit is good to juice. Whenever I have opened a melon that wasn't fully ripe, I juiced it and it was good.

Raw practicalist
Nutrients are irrelevant, what count is how fresh and living the food is.

Tai
do you believe this about vitamins and minerals, that they are irrelevant?



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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 11, 2019 01:08AM

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Tai
JTP, what juicer are you using for pomegranate?

Raw Practicalist
These are fruits that imported from far away regions of the world,

Tai
I think this is still a good thing. It is God's mercy to be able to export coconuts to everyone, even in snowy areas. I would want coconut and citrus fruits, banana, aloe and cactus no matter where I lived, even in ALaska. Pomegranates grow here in California and there are too many of them for us to eat, so it's better to share with you on east coast. The wild parrots come to eat pomegranates but there are still too many. Please help us eat them or they will go to waste.

I myself do not like to eat pomegranates. Too much time. SO the only way I consume them is to juice them. I like to juice them with fuji apples. Unripe fruit is good to juice. Whenever I have opened a melon that wasn't fully ripe, I juiced it and it was good.

Raw practicalist
Nutrients are irrelevant, what count is how fresh and living the food is.

Tai
do you believe this about vitamins and minerals, that they are irrelevant?


It's not the greatest juicer but I have a Hurom. Can't remember exactly which version but I got it about seven years ago.

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: October 11, 2019 01:45AM

JTP
It's not the greatest juicer but I have a Hurom. Can't remember exactly which version but I got it about seven years ago.

Tai
I tried a Hurom about 7 years ago or so. it was pretty good for fruit but not the greatest for greens. I never tried nopal cactus fruits in the hurom, so I don't know about that. I specifically bought this tribest Shine juicer to juice cactus fruits, based on john Kohler's recommendation. I plan on juicing these cactus fruits a few times a week for as long as I can find the red ones. Hopefully til December. The next big test will be pomegranate.

I just looked up the Hurom and they now have a new model, an Elite slow juicer. I will check that out someday.

Remember Genesis SUnfire? He progressed from fruitarian to liquidarian and he was doing these massive workout routines while only on a liquid diet. IT seems he really messed up his body by getting those tattoos and piercings. But the point is that he was drinking fresh raw fruit juice while he was at his prime.

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 11, 2019 09:26AM

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Tai
JTP
It's not the greatest juicer but I have a Hurom. Can't remember exactly which version but I got it about seven years ago.

Tai
I tried a Hurom about 7 years ago or so. it was pretty good for fruit but not the greatest for greens. I never tried nopal cactus fruits in the hurom, so I don't know about that. I specifically bought this tribest Shine juicer to juice cactus fruits, based on john Kohler's recommendation. I plan on juicing these cactus fruits a few times a week for as long as I can find the red ones. Hopefully til December. The next big test will be pomegranate.

I just looked up the Hurom and they now have a new model, an Elite slow juicer. I will check that out someday.

Remember Genesis SUnfire? He progressed from fruitarian to liquidarian and he was doing these massive workout routines while only on a liquid diet. IT seems he really messed up his body by getting those tattoos and piercings. But the point is that he was drinking fresh raw fruit juice while he was at his prime.

That's my experience as well, good for fruit but not the best for greens. It does seem to juice sunflower greens quite well but then again I haven't seen what another juicer can do.

I remember him, never really took him seriously to be honest. Hopefully, he didn't cause too much damage to himself. Raw living juice is more powerful than it gets credit for.

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 11, 2019 09:53AM

>do you believe this about vitamins and minerals, that they are irrelevant?

Vitamins and minerals are relevant in many parts of the under developed world where people lack food and the basic element of nutrition.

But in the developed countries, there is excess food, we have many overweight, large belies walking the street. In those cases of abundance, the main issue is not nutrients but digestion. The body needs only 56 gram of protein per day and every food even fruit has some protein but will see some people eat the equivalent of an entire chicken in one seating.

That is why those very sick who switched to a potato or tomato only diet regain their health.

For juicing citrus fruits and pomegranate there are two good juicers

[www.youtube.com]

[www.youtube.com]

1. Jupiter commercial citrus press
[www.bobsop.com]

2. Olympus commercial citrus press
[www.therawdiet.com]



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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: October 13, 2019 06:00AM

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RawPracticalist
The reason why serious health seekers are not juicing fruits is that at the end of the juicing effort, the fruit pulp (which contains minerals and nutrients) from the juicer can be eaten, after drinking the juice. So why not eat the whole thing to begin with?

The other reason is that some health gurus like Brian Clement, Gabriel Cousens recommend limiting fruit in the diet, so juicing fruits force us eating more fruits than we really need.

There are times when we have too many fruits and it is fine to juice them.


disqualifies them as health gurus.
in fact that makes them negative health influencers.
but we've seen this rant before from me on them heh heh

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 13, 2019 02:38PM

You have a point.

If bonobos and chimps are our closest human relatives, let's just see what they eat.

We have to admit that as human, we are more evolved and we do not eat other animals as they do.

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1-Diversity—In Kibale chimpanzees were found to have consumed no fewer than 102 species (and perhaps many more) of plants either in the form of fruit or leaves. How many species are in your fridge?

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2-Figs—Nearly half of all of the food consumed by chimps appears to be one or another kind of figs, fruits of the Ficus trees. Fig trees produce delicious, nutritious fruits in large numbers. Chimps are not the only animals to eat figs.

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3-Clumps—Chimps eat many kinds of fruit throughout the year, but any given fecal sample is likely to include just one or two species of fruit. In essence, chimps eat bananas and apples all day one day and oranges and pears all day the next

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4-Meat. Partially lapsed vegetarians, chimps eat meat. Seven kinds of primates, including their favorite, red colobus monkeys (Procolobus rufomitratus tephrosceles) are on the menu as are three other mammal species. But most chimps don’t eat such meaty treats often. Three percent of the average chimp diet comes from meat. On average, nine days a year are meat days for chimps.

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5-Variety—In considering our ancestral diets, we tend to imagine our ancestors ate “ideal” diets for their bodies. No chimps eat an “ideal” chimp diet. Different chimps eat different diets as a function of what they find, just as our ancestors would have eaten different foods depending on just where they lived as well as other factors. If there are no fig trees, chimps do not eat figs.

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6-Termites and ants (and their chitin)—Some chimps are good at eating termites, honey bees and driver ants. I’ve eaten both ants and termites, but I suspect that makes me weird rather than in touch with my ancestry.

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7-Other--A fair number of items I do not think of as food are eaten by chimps and other apes. Chimps at Kibale ate dirt. Gorillas eat wood and the occasional stone. For apes more of the forest is edible than one would guess.
[blogs.scientificamerican.com]





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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: John Rose ()
Date: October 13, 2019 04:30PM

Bonobos are much closer to humans than to chimpanzees, so we should be looking at what bonobos eat and not what chimpanzees eat.

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Eat Like A Bonobo
9:01 Minute Video

Published on Jul 16, 2018
In this Video, John Rose takes a closer look at our Closest Genetic Relative - the Bonobos and questions whether or not we should Eat what Bonobos Eat. Since Bonobos share 99.5% of our genetic makeup, John makes a compelling argument that we should, indeed, take a much closer look at what our Closest Genetic Relatives Eat and Modify it accordingly.

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Per Video Tape JR# 00240 - 09:09 made 7-14-18:

Hello, my name is John Rose and in this Video, I’m going to take a closer look at our closest genetic relative - the Bonobos, formerly known as the Pygmy Chimpanzees. We share 99.5% of their genetic makeup. Bonobos are closer to us than they are to Chimpanzees. And what do Bonobos Eat?

98% of their Diet is Fruit, 2% comes from Veggies or 1 to 2% and less than 1% comes from Insects. They studied the Bonobos and they found that in 1 year they’ll Eat about 110 different Plants. Any given day they will Eat about 10 different Plants. In 1 month they’ll Eat 40 different Plants and that 10 Plants make up 80 to 90% of their Caloric Intake.

Anyway, what are Bonobos Eating?

Should we emulate everything they do?

Of course not, we’re not exactly like them, but it’s interesting that they prefer Fruit more than anything else and that these non-seasonal items that are available all year around from the Plant Kingdom whether it’s Leaves or Flowers or Stems or Shoots or Piths they’ll Eat more of those when there’s not as much Fruit. They rely on those more of a backup.

So they’re getting most of their Carbs and Vitamins, virtually all of those, from their Fruit and then, when they Eat those Greens, the Plants, they’re getting lots of Protein and Minerals.

Now what they’ll do when the seasons when there’s not as much Fruit around and they might Eat as much as 30% of their Diet comes from those Plants where the other Plant Material besides Fruit what they’ll do is they’ll Chew Wadges of Plant Material so they can extract even more Nutrients. And Wadging is simply Chewing it and spitting it out - sucking the Juice out of whatever is in there and spitting it out, so they are doing a form of Juicing.

So they know that their Diet is supposed to be made up mostly of Fruits because that’s their Biological Adapted Diet - their Species Specific Diet and the Greens are there to help boost the Protein and give them more Minerals and to help sustain them when there’s not enough Fruit. And again, when they have to increase that Plant portion to their Diet, they don’t do it by Eating a lot of it - they do it by Wadging. They Chew, Chew, Chew and then, spit it out.

So there’s a lot of people who are going to say, well, if you’re going to say we’re like the Primates, you know, look at the Gorillas, we should be Eating 50 Pounds of 50 to 100 Pounds of Greens a day.

No, every Animal is going to be dependent upon, you can even study 2 groups of Bonobos and you’re going to find their Diet to be slightly different because of where they’re at. 3:10 MM

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 13, 2019 05:47PM

>98% of their Diet is Fruit, 2% comes from Veggies or 1 to 2% and less than 1% comes from Insects.

Good video John

How do we solve the fresh fruit from the tree problem?

These animals are getting their fruits from the tree.

The fruits we get especially in cold areas are imported, not mature on the tree, not ripe.

Green juices and green smoothies from rich vegetables such as kale have shown to be not good for us because of oxalic acid.

Is light cooking the solution? [traditionalcookingschool.com]



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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 15, 2019 03:58PM

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RawPracticalist
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jtprindl
If one were to have one healthy habit, daily pomegranate juice would certainly be one of the most powerful.

These are fruits that imported from far away regions of the world, they are not as good for our health as indoor growing micro greens or tomatoes growing in the backyard.

Nutrients are irrelevant, what count is how fresh and living the food is.

I bought one last week it was not ripe







It's not about better, they are both beneficial and uniquely healthy in their own ways. Fresh broccoli sprout juice will provide you with a large dose of sulforaphane that kills cancer stem cells and greatly aids in detoxification. Pomegranate juice nourishes the cardiovascular system. If it was possible, the only pomegranates I would eat would be ones picked immediately before eating.

www.phytopanacea.com

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: Tai ()
Date: October 23, 2019 01:45AM

I said I would share about the blackberry juice. So I juiced maybe 8 containers in 2 days (only $1/each,certified organic, wholesale price), each container was about 6 oz. I juiced with the cactus fruits and grapes. I also tried the pure juice in a little melon juice and it was astringent and I could feel my lymph in my neck. When I juiced the blackberry with the nopal cactus fruits, etc, together, I felt like I had finally found the food the best suits my constitution. Those pigments and antioxidants are so soothing for my body, not to mention I ate red/violet dragon fruit that day and week, and the cactus-berry juice is so much more healing for me than trying to eat the fruit and spit out the seeds. I don't mean to imply that I can live only on this, because it's mostly liquid, albeit very thick, but it's like the missing nutrients that I have needed (plus other similar berries like blueberry and my black mulberries I grow).

I don't feel any blood sugar changes when I drink a quart of juice quickly (before enzymes dissipate), probably because the cactus fruit moderates that. What I actually feel when I drink it quickly is a profound healing in my head and neck.



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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 24, 2019 12:28AM

I googled blackberry and this is what I found first and I could not juice it



Then I realized that maybe I need to move
to the next page of the Google search.



This time my juicer did not break.

Oh my God, there is nothing like it.
Maybe because it was the first time but I was in Heaven.
The whole body lifted.

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Re: Juicing fruit: what is the truth?
Posted by: RawPracticalist ()
Date: October 28, 2019 12:26AM

Blueberry Supplementation Improves Memory in Older Adults†



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The prevalence of dementia is increasing with expansion of the older adult population. In the absence of effective therapy, preventive approaches are essential to address this public health problem. Blueberries contain polyphenolic compounds, most prominently anthocyanins, which have antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects. In addition, anthocyanins have been associated with increased neuronal signaling in brain centers, mediating memory function as well as improved glucose disposal, benefits that would be expected to mitigate neurodegeneration. This study investigated the effects of daily consumption of wild blueberry juice in a sample of nine older adults with early memory changes. At 12 weeks, improved paired associate learning (p = 0.009) and word list recall (p = 0.04) were observed. In addition, there were trends suggesting reduced depressive symptoms (p = 0.08) and lower glucose levels (p = 0.10). We also compared the memory performances of the blueberry subjects with a demographically matched sample who consumed a berry placebo beverage in a companion trial of identical design and observed comparable results for paired associate learning. The findings of this preliminary study suggest that moderate-term blueberry supplementation can confer neurocognitive benefit and establish a basis for more comprehensive human trials to study preventive potential and neuronal mechanisms.
[pubs.acs.org]



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