Here is some of the evidence I am
submitting.

Your turn.

After you read it all and factually dispute the claims herein with logic and evidence.


[www.lewrockwell.com]

Viruses Do Not Exist In Nature-FALSE

In nature, we found two types of relationships between living organisms: peaceful vs antagonistic. A deer is a prey to a lion. They cannot coexist peacefully.

There are microorganisms that cannot live peacefully with food that humans eat like milk, meat, and fish. It is food to them. We can call them bacteria, viruses or invading organisms. Mothers know that, and will not feed their children with raw milk left on the kitchen counter for days. Societies learned to limit that invasion in meat and fish by drying them, removing the water that makes it easy for these micro organisms to spread, swim, now we use modern freezing technologies.

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antagonism is an interaction between organisms where one organism benefits at the expense of another. This includes predation, or a predator eating prey. Think of bears killing salmon. It also includes parasitism, or one organism depending on (but not killing) a host.

You failed to read the information.


You failed to define virus

You failed to submit anything of interest.

Try again

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RawPracticalist
Viruses Do Not Exist In Nature-FALSE

In nature, we found two types of relationships between living organisms: peaceful vs antagonistic. A deer is a prey to a lion. They cannot coexist peacefully.

There are microorganisms that cannot live peacefully with food that humans eat like milk, meat, and fish. It is food to them. We can call them bacteria, viruses or invading organisms. Mothers know that, and will not feed their children with raw milk left on the kitchen counter for days. Societies learned to limit that invasion in meat and fish by drying them, removing the water that makes it easy for these micro organisms to spread, swim, now we use modern freezing technologies.

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antagonism is an interaction between organisms where one organism benefits at the expense of another. This includes predation, or a predator eating prey. Think of bears killing salmon. It also includes parasitism, or one organism depending on (but not killing) a host.

<<<You failed to read the information.>>>

"Most ignorance is vincible ignorance; we don't know because we don't want to know." -Aldous Huxley

Fear, Trauma & Cognitive Dissonance - Fear No Evil - Part 1 - [www.youtube.com]

Societies in the history of the world lived and survived using common sense. Scientists even in modern times rarely agree on fundamental principles.

Using common sense there is no organism labeled as a virus. What makes more sense is the type of relationship between a hosting organism and the invading organism, is it beneficial or antagonistic?

Every living organism has a protective or defensive system, we may call it an immune system. Is it strong enough to stop, or kill invading organism

The reason why premature babies are kept in isolated chambers is that their immune system is not ready and formed to be protective. You may call the invading organisms viruses or any other term, that is not important the key point is that the interaction is not beneficial, the invader is trying to eat or kill the hosting organism.

The issue is not if viruses exist or not but the quality of the relationship between a hosting and an invading organism.



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RawPracticalist
Societies in the history of the world lived and survived using common sense. Scientists even in modern times rarely agree on fundamental principles.

Using common sense there is no organism labeled as a virus. What makes more sense is the type of relationship between a hosting organism and the invading organism, is it beneficial or antagonistic?

Every living organism has a protective or defensive system, we may call it an immune system. Is it strong enough to stop, or kill invading organism

The reason why premature babies are kept in isolated chambers is that their immune system is not ready and formed to be protective. You may call the invading organisms viruses or any other term, that is not important the key point is that the interaction is not beneficial, the invader is trying to eat or kill the hosting organism.

The issue is not if viruses exist or not but the quality of the relationship between a hosting and an invading organism.

I won't quibble with your words here.

Yet you are the one who prompted me to pose the challenge.

YOU mocked those who questioned the story of aids and COVID and called them conspiracists.

You seem obsessed over the word and confused about it's meaning

So ....

Is COVID a new disease?
Is it unique?
What is the cause?

Same for AIDS.
What's the cause?
Was it new and unique when named originally?

You can lead a friend to knowledge, but you can’t make them think.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

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John Rose

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sodoffsocks
John, you never answered my question asking: why do you believe it's possible to isolate something as small as a Virus, but not a virus?

I have tons of reasons - here's one of them...

CDC NOW Admits NO 'Gold Standard' for the Isolation for ANY Virus!
Updated: Aug 16, 2021
F. E. A. R = False Evidence Appearing Real!

NO ONE HAS EVER ISOLATED, PURIFIED AND/OR SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED AND PROVEN THE EXISTENCE OF ANY AND ALL VIRUSES AT ANYTIME, AT ANY PLACE, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!

Over the last several months we have requested from the Center of Disease Control (CDC) evidence for the isolation and existence for the any and all viruses, including CoV - 2 and 19, MERS, Influenza, Polio, Measles, HIV, XMRV, HTLV-1, HTLV-III/LAV, HPV, Ebola, Zika, just to name a few of the so-called viruses, disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

These written requests were made by Ms. Christine Massey to CDC/ATSDR FOIA Chief Officer Mr. Robert Andoh, to locate and deliver ANY records, research and/or findings for ANY "viral" isolation and purification (by anyone, anywhere, anytime in the World) from a patient sample via maceration, filtration and/or the use of an ultracentrifuge or what is called the 'Gold Standard' for isolating and identifying a pathological micro or nana organism. The 'Gold Standard' for isolating and identifying microbes is referred to as Koch's and Rivers Postulates which was established many years ago.

Straight Forward Answers From the CDC - There is "NO Record of Any Kind" For Any Virus

The CDC Chief FOIA, Mr. Roger Andoh provided straightforward responses to each one of our requests, admitting in writing that they have NO RECORD of ANY KIND, for the following so-called phantom “viruses”, including CoV - 2 -19, HIV, HPV, XMRV, HTMV-1, HTMV-111/LV, Measles, Influenza, MERS, EBOLA, ZIKA or POLIO!

WHY NO RECORD of "ANY KIND" For ANY VIRUS?

All Governments and their related health Institution and Agencies have relied upon a published study, "Detection of 2019 Novel Coronaivrus (2019-nCoV) by Real-Time RT-PCR."

If you will read the aim of the study you will see that they had NOT isolated a virus based upon Koch's or Rivers postulates. They state in their 'AIM' and 'Methodology' in the so-called study as follows:

Aim

"We aimed to develop and deploy robust diagnostic methodology for use in public health laboratory settings without having virus material available."

Methods

"Here we present a validated diagnostic workflow for 2019-nCoV, its design relying on close genetic relatedness of 2019-nCoV with SARS coronavirus, making use of synthetic nucleic acid technology."

Out of their own mouths the authors of the study condemn themselves by stating that they had not isolated the CoV-19 so they created the virus and the methodology for testing for this so-called coronavirus out of 'close genetic relatedness' generated from their own minds and those of others with computer algorithms.

This is why I have stated for years that viruses only exist on a piece of paper and have published a paper on this so-call theory, "The Virus Is A Concept That Only Exists On A Piece of Paper." [ [www.drrobertyoung.com] ]

Welcome to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) site. CDC is the nation’s leading public health agency, dedicated to saving lives and protecting the health of Americans. CDC ensures its science and research activities and its employees comply with federal laws, regulations, and policies in order to exercise the highest level of scientific integrity. At the core of this mission is information sharing—not just health information and disease study results, but information CDC gathers as part of a continuous process of putting information into action. As a science-based agency funded by U.S. taxpayers, CDC is committed to openness and accountability. Like all federal agencies, CDC is required to disclose records requested in writing by any person unless the records (or a part of the records) are protected from disclosure by any of the nine exemptions contained in the law. This site provides information about the CDC FOIA Office program and how to access CDC records.

1. June 7, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “COV - 2 or 19 virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever:

2. June 7, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “HPV virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever: (note: CDC made an error in their original response and later provided the corrected version below):

3. June 7, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “Measles virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever! No Isolation, No Purification and No Identification for the Measles Virus!

4. A Letter from the CDC Concerning the Childhood and Adult USA "Immunization Schedule"

[Note: there was a reference to “influenza” in this request, but it doesn't affect our request in any way because it was in the context of our example of the record we were looking to validate that the CDC does not have ANY record or research or findings for ANY so-called virus that is responsible for ANY sickness or disease - EVER!

5. June 10, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “MERS virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere, ever:

6. CDC June 11 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “POLIO virus” purified from any patient sample via maceration, filtration and use of an ultracentrifuge, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

7. March 15, 2021 CDC FOIA response: no records of any “Ebola virus” isolation or purification from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

8. March 19, 2021, U.S. CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) admit they have no record of any “Zika virus” isolated or purified from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

9. March 23, 2021 CDC admitted in a FOIA response that they have no record of any “HIV virus”, "Hepatitis viruis", "STD virus", and "TB bacillus bacterium" purified isolate from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere, ever.

10. April 7th, 2021, the CDC states that they have no record of “XMRV virus” purification or isolation from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

11. April 7th, 2021 the CDC states that they have no record of “HTLV-1 virus” purification or isolation from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

12. April 7th, 2021, the CDC states that they have no record of “HTLV-III/LAV virus” purification or isolation from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

13. April 12, 2021: CDC admits they have no record of any “influenza virus” isolated or purified from a patient sample, by anyone, anywhere on the planet, ever:

[Note: there was a reference to “influenza” in this request, but it doesn't affect our request in any way because it was in the context of our example of the record we were looking to validate that the CDC does not have ANY record or research or findings for ANY so-called virus that is responsible for ANY sickness or disease - EVER!

If no one anywhere at any time in the World has isolated and proven the existence of any such novel coronavirus or for any virus as a unique pathogen, how on earth can any pharmaceutical company provide a treatment with a vaccine for a virus that does NOT even exist?

...Read this article...

As I mentioned above, I have tons of reasons for NOT believing in the Virus Myth and I've known this for over 30 years.

I know the Germ Theory of Disease is a Scam!

I know the Virus Theory of Disease is a Scam!

I know Allopathic Medicine is a Scam!

I know the Real Cause of Disease!

I know who's Behind the Curtain making up all of these LIES!

I've coached thousands of people with all types of Health Challenges, including Hep C, and they all got better when they changed their Terrain.

I KNOW!!!

Remember, the Terrain is everything - the Microbe is NOTHING!!!

Same for AIDS.
What's the cause?
Was it new and unique when named originally?

It was originally called "slim" and GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency) if I remember correctly and the condition was first identified in highly promiscuous homosexual men.

A book called AIDS Inc. will give you the gen on this. "AIDS" in Amerika was caused by heavy drug use, especially poppers, a very toxic drug they use to facilitate anal sex.

"AIDS" in Africa and some other locales is associated with poverty, poor diet, untreated parasitic infections, dirty water, and so on and so forth. Live like that and you'll come apart at the seams, too.

Well RP?

Is Horsea wrong?

How so?

If you leave the door of your car unlocked, or the door of your house unlocked, intruders will come in and steal your belongings. '

The name of the intruders, their skin color, and their nationality are irrelevant. You can call the condition COVID, AIDS, or cancer, who cares?

The problem is that the defensive system is weak or broken. Every living organism seeks nourishment, and food, it will feed on whatever is accessible, wide open, and unable to defend itself.

We have two entities

1- the host and its weak defensive system
2- the intruder and search for food

And for you 2 does not exist that is the problem



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RawPracticalist
We have two entities

1- the host and its weak defensive system
2- the intruder and search for food

And for you 2 does not exist that is the problem

"2" does NOT include Viruses because Viruses do NOT Exist!!!

Bacteria do exist and they have a job and that is to break down dead and dying tissues - NOT Healthy Tissues that vibrate higher than they vibrate.

Here is a snippet from my "Wavelengths of Foods & Microbes" file...

...The Best of the File Preview...
• Food is divided into four general classes. Those foods whose radiant wave length he found higher than the basic human wavelength of 6,500 angstroms.
• ...cancer patients give off a wavelength of 4,875,
• Human beings should eat fruit, vegetables, nuts, and fresh fish that give off radiations higher than their own normal 6,500, if they wish to energize themselves and feel healthy.
• Most microbes read well below 6.5 thousand angstroms, they can only affect a human being whose vitality has been lowered to a point, where cells resonate at their wavelength, whereas a body with a healthy vitality remains immune to attack by microbes. The same principle, explains why plants, whose radiance has been reduced by chemical fertilizers, are subject to attack by pests.
...End of the Best of the File Preview...

My understanding of "viruses" is that they do exist, but they are a result, not a cause. You know - the body makes them in order to deal with unsound tissue.

Anyone care to agree or disagree? Because I don't have a monopoly of the High and Holy Truth about anything in this gone-cuckoo world.

Let us keep in mind that the medical industry has been blaming "viruses" for just about anything and everything. And they get away with it.

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RawPracticalist
If you leave the door of your car unlocked, or the door of your house unlocked, intruders will come in and steal your belongings. '

The name of the intruders, their skin color, and their nationality are irrelevant. You can call the condition COVID, AIDS, or cancer, who cares?

The problem is that the defensive system is weak or broken. Every living organism seeks nourishment, and food, it will feed on whatever is accessible, wide open, and unable to defend itself.

We have two entities

1- the host and its weak defensive system
2- the intruder and search for food

And for you 2 does not exist that is the problem

John has corrected your statement that we think (2) does not exist.

I have corrected you before on your misrepresenting before.

But you keep doing it.

So either

You are stupid
Or a liar.

Or you can act like an honorable fellow and take this chance
To admit that you are misrepresenting us.

Bacteria exist

Viruses as THEY define them don't .

If you had read my link you could learn something

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fresh

I have corrected you before on your misrepresenting before.

But you keep doing it.

So either

You are stupid
Or a liar.

Or you can act like an honorable fellow and take this chance
To admit that you are misrepresenting us.

Bacteria exist

Viruses as THEY define them don't .

If you had read my link you could learn something

fresh, what the forum is about is presenting your own arguments, and points not link on what others have thought and written.

Please do the thinking



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RawPracticalist

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fresh

I have corrected you before on your misrepresenting before.

But you keep doing it.

So either

You are stupid
Or a liar.

Or you can act like an honorable fellow and take this chance
To admit that you are misrepresenting us.

Bacteria exist

Viruses as THEY define them don't .

If you had read my link you could learn something

fresh, what the forum is about is presenting your own arguments, and points not link on what others have thought and written.

Please do the thinking

You are incorrect
(And a liar. As you do that all the time
That is...you present quotes from the Internet...and you also
Presume that if something is on the Internet it must be true)

And
Afraid to learn something
And

Afraid to admit you are wrong

Very childish and stupid

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fresh

You are incorrect
(And a liar. As you do that all the time
That is...you present quotes from the Internet...and you also
Presume that if something is on the Internet it must be true)

And
Afraid to learn something
And

Afraid to admit you are wrong

Very childish and stupid

YOU MAY NOT BE EDUCATED, YOUR WORDS ARE LIMITED TO "stupid, idiot, wrong"
I will stop interacting with you on this forum.



SAME ATTITUDE 4 YEARS AGO

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Re: Finally some pushback from churches
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: April 06, 2020 05:54AM

Idiot nunativs


Inability to focus on facts

Predictable

At the same time CDC makes billions
But we are to believe them

HILARIOUS!!!!!

AND YOU DONT EVEN SEE THE CONTRADICTION!!

WHAT A MORON

JUST CANT ADMIT YOURE WRONG

SAME ATTITUDE 10 YEARS AGO. You were insulting jtprindl
so often he left the forum

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Re: Green Smoothies vs. Juicing
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: January 18, 2015 04:46PM

arugula Wrote:
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> 4 heads of romaine and 30 dates plus a reliable
> source of B12 and sunshine might work for a while.
> Selenium is missing, though. Also that would get
> very very boring.
>

do you see what happens when you listen to an IDIOT like jtprindl ?

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Don't you just love it when people "airlift" comments without the context?

For example, before fresh called jtprindl an idiot, jtprindl said of fresh, "his cognitive functioning isn't all there"! Very rarely does anyone know who insulted who first and many times it was never meant to be an insult.

Remember folks, it's very difficult to communicate in this format because 93% of all communication is NON-Verbal and since Attitudes are CONTAGIOUS, most people don't seem to be immune, if I dare use that word, and they catch the DIS-EASE!!!

“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle.” -Philo of Alexandria

There is no reason to call another person on this forum an idiot. We have disagreements on issues and that is the nature of the forum. I have those with you JR, with Jennifer even with fresh but I never labeled any an idiot.

fresh idiot labeling has sometimes pre and post qualifiers.

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Re: Oh my! What happened to the forum?
Posted by: fresh ()
Date: September 17, 2021 12:34PM

[m.youtube.com]

The above is kaufman dissecting HOW THEY DO IT TODAY.

and how they claimed to find sars cov 2


Heres the original paper i believe.

[www.nature.com]

Absolute horseshit
Assumptions and poor procedures.

Whats in their sample?

How do they identify it?
Using pcr and assumptions

What's causing the cell death that they claim proves pathogenic virus? a "virus" or antibiotics?

They detect genetic fragments thats it.

Gee i wonder if the sickness could have been caused by pollution? And "Viruses" are "just there in the body? Nah. No profiting in that.

Freaking idiot psychopaths

When you admit that

1.you have been corrected several times on the issue in question above that you repeatedly state.
(Similar to you saying that jen is on drugs that you had no problem correcting)

And

2.stop doing it

Then you will cease being an idiot

Don't act like one then cry about being called out.

And stop acting like calling people conspiracists
Is being kind and certain other words are not kind.

And answer the original question of the thread.
You have not



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When I read the above

I think... I could be wrong
But has RP
Spoken out against
COVID restrictions?lockdowns?
Forced masking?
Vaccines?
Lying scientists and politicians?

Or just me using words
He is offended by?

Typical response of those who cannot admit error.
They talk a lot how they are "offended"

Hey fresh, here are a couple snippets from my "Con Artists" file and tell me you don't recognize some of these Con Artist's Tactics.

JR Insert from “Logical Fallacies - Formal & Informal” file...
How Con Artists Win Arguments On the Internet

1) NEVER DEFEND YOUR OWN POINTS.

...

4) AT SOME POINT IN TIME, CLAIM THE OTHER PERSON IS A NAZI. Every, and I repeat EVERY Internet argument should involve at least one comparison to either Hitler or the Nazis.
End of JR Insert from “Logical Fallacies - Formal & Informal” file.

Spotting Logical Fallacies and Propaganda Techniques

The techniques of thought reform as defined by Robert Lifton are based upon a series of logical leaps and informal logical fallacies. Knowing the basics of commonly used fallacies and propaganda techniques can help reduce the likelihood of manipulation. Like a good batter can identify the type of ball a pitcher has thrown him as soon as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand, a good fallacy spotter can do much the same thing. Here is a list of common propaganda techniques and logical fallacies commonly used by spiritual abusers and cults.

Propaganda Techniques: A Short List [33X]

1. Ad Hominem - Attack your opponent's person rather than the argument itself. Literally "against the man"
2. Ad Hominem Abusive (Sub category of Ad Hominem) - An attack on the character or other irrelevant personal qualities of the opposition—such as appearance—is offered as evidence against their position. Such attacks are often effective distractions ["red herrings"], because the opponent feels it necessary to defend the self, thus being distracted from the topic of the debate.

Exactly right JR

By the way I don't know if people
noticed but
We now live in the US of I

House bill that passed...
"Against the law to say someone is exaggerating the Holocaust"

To learn HOW we’re being Controlled simply find out WHAT we are not allowed to Question, like Vaccines and the Holocaust. The Vaccines have to do with the Ultimate Tool of Control - our Health or Lack of Health and the Holocaust has to do with the Absolute Tool of Control - Money or the Loaning of Money at Interest and making all of us Debt Slaves.

“Those who tell the stories rule society.” -Plato

To learn WHO Rules over you - find out WHO is telling the Stories.

To learn HOW they Rule over you - find the Stories you’re NOT Allowed to Question!

Currently, you cannot Question Vaccines.

In the recent past and present, you cannot Question the Holocaust.

So it is against the Law and against Social Media Platform’s Policies to criticize or even question the things that are used to Control the Masses.

Once again, you can’t question the Holocaust because that ties into Usury, which is the Absolute Tool of Control, and you can’t question Vaccines because that ties into our Health or Lack of Health, which is the Ultimate Tool of Control.

Have you seen this by Michael Rivera?

[twitter.com]

No, I haven't seen that Tweet, but I've seen All Wars Are Bankers' Wars...

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars...
Posted by: John Rose ()
Date: March 24, 2013 04:57PM

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John Rose
I posted this Video in 2 other threads, but it's too important for it to be buried in other threads and deserves its own because we have to put an end to this MADNESS!!!

All Wars Are Bankers' Wars
[www.youtube.com]

Peace and Love..........John

I figured you had seen it

“Germany's cardinal sin was going against the world bank.” -Churchill

Here are some of my notes from that video...

13:10 MM
Now when the Weimar Republic collapsed Economically, it opened the door for the National Socialist to take power. Their first financial move was to issue their own State Currency, which was Not borrowed from Private Central Banks. It was based on a Unit of Value - Not a Unit of Debt. Freed from having to pay interest on the Money in circulation Germany blossomed and quickly began to rebuild its Industry. It was an amazing Transformation to see. The Media called it - The German Miracle. Time Magazine lionized Hitler for the amazing improvement of life for the German people and the explosion of German Industry and they even named him Time Magazine’s Man of the Year in 1938. 13:48 MM

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Hillary Clinton Emails Reveal Real Reason U.S. Destroyed Libya! - [www.youtube.com]
33:23 Minute Video
The Jimmy Dore Show
1.33M subscribers
Mar 25, 2024

JR's Comments:

What they did to Gaddafi and Libya was the same thing they did to Germany and the man everyone has been PROGRAMMED to HATE and for the same reason - they don't want us to know what happens when someone else prints your money and makes you DEBT SLAVES!!! During the Great Depression, Germany was flourishing when you rest of the world was starving!

Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know
1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right
2. Education and medical treatment were all free
3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
4. It was free to start a farming business
5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies
6. Electricity was free
7. Cheap petrol
8. Gaddafi raised the level of education
9. Libya had Its own state bank
10. The gold dinar