The Fruitarian One Wrote:
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> Oh when will this crap ever end!!!
This is not a church to just believe in what you write but a forum for debate, exchange of ideas

fresh, I test for B12 deficiency all the time, myself. For example, I tested it when within a week, I prepared several weeks of lectures, tutorials, including typed and written notes, labs, tutorial exercises, Assignment questions, for two different university units that I lecture, at AS WELL as submitted an advanced paper on algorithms for certain class of stochastic models, AS WELL as planned and coordinated the supply of resources and activities to meet the needs of my 2+2 family. I tested it when I went on my bike and did 15 kms to work and then 15 kms from work. All my tests are clear. More than clear. They indicate a superb neurological and physical performance.

Gosia


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rawgosia Wrote:
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> This has nothing to do with evolution in the
> rigorous sense of it. For example, eating at
> MacDonals does not mean that we evolved to eat
> like that. Eating at MacDonalds mean that in spite
> of our biology, we choose to eat foods that are
> biologicaly inappropriate to us.
>
> Gosia

Good point but the early humans were not that evolved so they were mostly responding to their natural instincts so it does not make sense that they would abandon a working fruitrarian diet for meat eating. Something in their environment must have forced them to change their dietary lifestyle, maybe popluation growth or climate change which made fruit insufficient or inappropriate.



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Ihave been raw 5 years and fruitarian one

no problems at all, all my fruitarian friends some 10 others 20 years fruity all are fine.

my teeth are better than ever except one funny thing. I had root canaled tooth ( i had when I was cooked food eater ), that fell out when fruitarian, I had a implanted one that fell out too. On fruit nothing fake or dead stays in body I assume. I noticed recently my wisdom teeth had come in to replace it, I also had a cavity cure itself which is considered impossible.

aging? well honestly I look way younger than when I was raw foodist. People say that to me all the time too, that i look way better than when I was eating salads and nut patties

My hair is beautiful. My friend that has been fruitarian 20 years looks good here is photo, he is from spain

and kveta has been fruitarian like 20 years, you could check out her photos on her fruit revolution board





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monkeys sit aound and make all the rules. I am talking about us. We are all monkeys that think we are not. Cursed with thought. Here we are acting as if people who eat fruit are really bad and unhealthy. What about burgers? What about cooked meat? People live lives eating that food , some live to 100. SOme raw foodists die naturally at 60. is the quality of their life any better? and who is the judge? Did god, give any of us a phone call, and say " you are the judge of what is right and wrong?"

snicker snicker.

Suvine, good to read and SEE some real stories, thanks! How do you define fruitarian diet? Non-sweet fruit yay or nay? Nuts yay or nay? Greens yay or nay? What is four friend eating, for example?

(My recollection is that Kveta: sweet fruit yay, everything else nay.)

By the way, if you had to choose between buying Fujifilm FinePixF30 or Canon PowerShot A710 IS (for making photos of raw foods and raw food people, of course - so I am on the raw topic he he), which one would you choose? I look up to you for your expertise, hence my question.

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You could read that book, by Rejean Durette, fruit the ultimate diet for man. he has been fruity 10 years when he wrote it
and discussed the myths about fruitarianism

Rawgosia
I do not know much about cameras wish I did.

Hey rawgosia whats up..

I eat sweet fruit but also love non sweet like cukes avos tomatoes

There is a girl JULES who posts on this board who is all sweet fruit, mono, she is 50 and looks so great, like a girl, she takes ballet and just gets really happy all day..,you can search her I bet here somewhere, I am not sure if that is her username tho'





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this is what a fruitarian wrote today,from australia, /

Yes, I feel so deeply content and peaceful inside I don't care where I am or what I am doing or if I have things or not, as long as I keep feeling this way none of it matters. I'm sure you know what I mean.

/

it sounds so nice right? why do people find this feeling wrong?





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My guess is that when siting next to these beautiful, glowing people, while looking them in the eye, it would be very hard not to wonder about one's own theories, when trying to argue that eating fruit is bad for them.

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rawgosia Wrote:
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> Scientific evidence is that humans are derived for
> frugivorous primates - frugivorous diet is the
> standard human diet, per that evidence.
>
> Gosia

Primates also eat bugs, tons of leaves and sometimes other monkies. They also have much smaller brains.

We are descended from bacteria if you go far back enough. Early man would not have survived in the savanna (let alone trekked across Europe during the Ice Ages) on a fruit based diet.

Not saying fruit is bad, just your logic.

The Fruitarian One Wrote:
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> Oh when will this crap ever end!!!

Never. People love this ****!

rawgosia Wrote:
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> fresh, I test for B12 deficiency all the time,
> myself. For example, I tested it when within a
> week, I prepared several weeks of lectures,
> tutorials, including typed and written notes,
> labs, tutorial exercises, Assignment questions,
> for two different university units that I lecture,
> at AS WELL as submitted an advanced paper on
> algorithms for certain class of stochastic models,
> AS WELL as planned and coordinated the supply of
> resources and activities to meet the needs of my
> 2+2 family. I tested it when I went on my bike and
> did 15 kms to work and then 15 kms from work. All
> my tests are clear. More than clear. They indicate
> a superb neurological and physical performance.
>
>
> Gosia

thank you for your response Gosia.

how long have you been vegan. how long have you been raw
and
what kind of b12 test do you take?

re: gosia

> what kind of b12 test do you take?

oh, i get it. you think that your current neurological state is a good way to "test" for b12 status. I will have to assume that you don't believe that irreversible damage can occur..

i'm really surprised that people here don't get tested.

Why don't some of you people turn your efforts to promoting the Raw Food lifestyle among Sad eating folks and stop bashing each other here.

To each his own. As long as it works for you.

Stop trying to convert Raw Fooders to one way or another of eating. You don't have to do that. The body itself will do that. Some of what you eat today may not be what you'll eat in a couple of years from now.

We have to understand that the people engaged in these types of debates have already found something that works for them. That is why they respond when they perceive attacks on their way of eating. So few, if any, people are going to change their eating habits just because someone else say so.

And enough of this B12 thing! I think everyone knows about this issue already and if they want to supplement, let them do so. There aren't anybody preventing them from doing so. Or I should hope not. Most everyone does some reading and researching on Raw Food before(and after)taking the plunge so they should come across that somewhere.

I don't believe anyone will convince anyone else on this specific topic of Raw Veganism vs Fruitarianism seeing that the people who post on this are already hard core one way or the other. Heck, I can't convince my two daughters to go Raw! And I should think I know a little more than they do in the area of nutrition.

brian1cs Wrote:
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> Why don't some of you people turn your efforts to
> promoting the Raw Food lifestyle among Sad eating
> folks and stop bashing each other here.
>

i don't see anybody bashing anybody.

> To each his own. As long as it works for you.

sometimes it is instructive to share different views.
and i thought what i was doing was working for me, until i rethought is based on what someone else said.


> And enough of this B12 thing! I think everyone
> knows about this issue already and if they want to
> supplement, let them do so. There aren't anybody
> preventing them from doing so. Or I should hope
> not. Most everyone does some reading and
> researching on Raw Food before(and after)taking
> the plunge so they should come across that
> somewhere.

i often come across new information that helps me.
this information is shared by others in various ways.
i welcome it.

that's funny
i wish u joy

hmm, the b12 is kind of like the protein thing too, \needing and lacking and not having enough is not very good things to feel about yourself, you have everything you need, and way more.

Nah, I am not going to prolong this fruitless discussion. I am back to better things.

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rawgosia Wrote:
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> My guess is that when siting next to these
> beautiful, glowing people, while looking them in
> the eye, it would be very hard not to wonder about
> one's own theories, when trying to argue that
> eating fruit is bad for them.
>
> Gosia


Ha,ha...your right...this is what people like, all this debating stuff, it's what puts bums on sits, I think if you took all the debating off raw food forums they'd be no more posts!

Is going raw really that bad for you and has no one got anything good to say about it?

People seem to go raw because they feel unhealthy on cooked foods then complain when they go raw.

All this seems to be all doom and gloom...

Anyway I'm gonna go off and enjoy my lifestyle.....

we all have different views that is it. Everyone ,in the world, thinks his or her view is the right one, and so it is, that way, we need to just be one with one another and be here with other people..being with other people is really amazing

Joe Gray Wrote:
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> rawgosia Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Scientific evidence is that humans are derived
> for
> > frugivorous primates - frugivorous diet is the
> > standard human diet, per that evidence.
> >
> > Gosia
>
> Primates also eat bugs, tons of leaves and
> sometimes other monkies. They also have much
> smaller brains.
>
> We are descended from bacteria if you go far back
> enough. Early man would not have survived in the
> savanna (let alone trekked across Europe during
> the Ice Ages) on a fruit based diet.
>
> Not saying fruit is bad, just your logic.
>
> The Fruitarian One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Oh when will this crap ever end!!!
>
> Never. People love this ****!

This was probably the single most convincing argument that closed the debate and push the fruitarians to move on to "better things"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2007 11:35AM by djatchi.

Nevermind, I deleted this post and started a new thread instead!
Love,
Uma



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2007 02:22AM by uma.

coconut cream:

What are those long green things at the bottom of the table? They are kind of curly and look slightly like zuchini? Is that what they are?

Btw that table is yummy<3

I've heard that brushing your teeth right after eating certain fruits like strawberries and citrus fruits may be harmful to your tooth enamel. I think it's a good idea to wait a while before brushing after eating these. This might explain the tooth trouble for some people...