I am confused again. Sometimes I get so sick of the complexity of this world we live in... Millions of schools of tought out there, anyone's argument (Einstein's included) can be completely smashed in a second by some other SP (= Smart Pants) with "The" truth in his/her hand, so on, so forth.
As my sister says: "I hate this relativistic world we live in. Why can't I know who's the good guy and who's the bad guy so I know whose butt to kick?

Rant being said...

Should I get a blender or a juicer? What works better for people here, pragmatically speaking? Yes, yes...I know that simply based on common sense, blender should be better because it keeps the pulp too and you get in more nutrients and good stuff. I understand that. However, from a practical standpoint...

I used my baby-food, hand-blender to blend some raw veggies. I hated the resulting tasteless mush like no tomorrow; possibly because the produce itself was bland and tasteless, given the way they are forced to grow nowadays (hence the need for salt and oil in salads).
I am thinking that with blending I will end up taking in less because it is difficult to eat all that mush - it is just too much of that raw stuff to take in.

So then I start leaning towards simply jucing.

On the other hand, I am still more tempted by a good blender because I heard it is much easier to clean and that you could, conceivably, get juice out of blended stuff too (by squeezing through a cheese cloth or something).

I definitely can't have both - I have neither the money nor the space for both of these monstruous devices on the kitchen counter. They look pretty annoying to have there at all times, especially the juicer.

What is your advice to this completely confused and frustrated beginner? Blender or juicer?

On a different note, I suspect I will not be able to be 100% raw at all times, but I do want to get to 80-90% raw - which I hope is still good.

BY the way, if anyone cares to read further about the frustrations of a possibly carb-addicted person...trying to stay completely carb-free (fruit-free too) for a 2-3 months Candida elimination diet...
Here's what happened to me in the past few days, since attempting 90% raw, INCLUDING fruit-free for now, to avoid sugar.

Horrible, horrible headaches, diziness, lightheadedness - just plain HORRIBLE.
If this is going to be the life on raw, then nuh-ha.
I'd rather be SAD but FUNCTIONAL.

Of course, eventually I plan to slowly introduce back fruit...but I am so unsure that completely grain/bread/pasta/starch-free is going to work for me...

Are there people here who do 80-90% raw but still have some "SAD" products here and there?

By the way, what does "SAD" stand for, technically speaking?
I did get the message: the sucky, cooked food most people eat. I am just curious to know what it stands for.

PS: My southern mother-in-law cooks her vegetables to death and beyond. As blasphemy-like as this may sound, they taste divine to me. I've always avoided cooking my veggies too much based on advice to retain nutrients ....but mine always taste horrible compared to her "cooked-to-death" ones.

Maybe this cooked food thing IS an addiction; but it looks like you have to pay in this life for anything that "feels" good.

don`t worry siracusa...collect all the info you can in this relativistic world we live in and pray/meditate or whatever you do and listen to your inner self. there you will find your guide don`t make it so complicated. there are zillions of views/points and everyone thinks there`s is right. that`s where your judgment and intuition come into play.

personally speaking if i had to choose i`d choose the blender. with that you can make smoothies, pastes, sauces and what not. in a juicer you can`t use bananas, avocadoes or anything that doesn`t have water in it and you can`t add water to it. the blender is more universal. but that`s just my opinion can you afford organic? or maybe try a different grocer? produce varies from store to store so the taste may be better. also maybe a farmers market?

hang in there for your detox. if it gets to be way too much then ease up a bit. maybe there is another route for the candida thing? i am also a beginner and i am probably around 85% raw i guess.

sad stands for standard american diet
patty

Simply believe in yourself.

As for blenders/juicers, why not get both? Depending on cost, a cheap blender and inexpensive juicer can be added to your kitchen tools for the cost of one expensive juicer.

I use my blender almost daily, and my juicer is used occassionaly. For me, my blender has been used the most.

S.A.D. is Standard American Diet
Love,
Prism

Watch this out...from a "raw" site. I am not going to give it here, but I am just wondering how can idiots like myself make any sense of something like this?

QUOTE:
<<Remember... blend a few almonds a day...not the American organic almonds you buy in grocery stores. These do not have the phytochemicals that prevent cancer. I do drink almond milk out of the American almonds for purposes of getting good protein. I do use the nut milk bag but do not throw the pulp away."


Uuuughhhhmmm...if even organic almonds are not OK, then which kind IS OK?
(he does not suggest where those "special" almonds with phytochemicals should come from). Perhaps Mars. I'll try there.

QUOTE:

<<The most important thing of all about blending smoothies: If your digestive system is plaqued over...it doesn't matter how many smoothies you drink. I can drink 1 cup of the same smoothie that most people would have to drink nearly 4 cups to get the nutrients that I get. I have cultivated 3 to 5 lbs of aerobic bacteria in my colon. The bacteria I have are meaner and devour all the bad anaerobic bacteria. You cannot just go to the health food store and buy something to make this happen>>.

OK...then maybe I should go to McDonalds.
He never says how to "de-plaque" the digestive system....or where to get that miraculous "aerobic" bacteria in the colon like he did. Definitely not at the doctor (they are the enemy), not at Whole Foods (looks like they can't even carry a good almond, let alone fix you)...not even from your blender.

It's only the author of this site that has miraculously figured out the way to perfect health (he seems to have reached almost immortal status). He bothers to build a huge site about it but gives no indication as to WHERE to go to get all those freaky things he recommends.



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Prism Wrote:
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> Simply believe in yourself.
>
> As for blenders/juicers, why not get both?
> Depending on cost, a cheap blender and inexpensive
> juicer can be added to your kitchen tools for the
> cost of one expensive juicer.
>
> I use my blender almost daily, and my juicer is
> used occassionaly. For me, my blender has been
> used the most.
>
> S.A.D. is Standard American Diet
> Love,
> Prism

Hmmm...I have a cheap blender at home (Oster) and it needs to be thrown away, literally. It does NOTHING. I understood that if you want results, you need a 3hP blender - a good one, whose blades will not quit on you in a few months.

Any recs for a good blender from anyone? Thank you!

There are lots of recommendations for blenders and juicers on that forum, you might check it out. Also the home page of this website has a store and articles about comparing blenders/juicers.

Love,
Prism

I have a cheap blender which works great and I use daily. I have an expensive juicer that I only use for juicing, which I use less of the time. Years ago I had a cheap juicer and it was okay, but a pain to clean and more pulp than juice. I would say, try and determine which you need and will use more of. Personally, I think the blender is more practical (I love my smoothies)...and although I can do nut butter with my juicer, I tend to buy it (because that's easier) and juicing takes a lot of fruit that I'd rather be eating. I think the decision would depend on what you like and what you want to prepare...as well as how often.

So..why does everything have to be so complicated??

someone once said

nothing worth having comes easy

when i find things are getting difficult ..i remember that

if its still too difficult ..and not worth having .. i ditch it

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

Jgunn Wrote:
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> nothing worth having comes easy
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> when i find things are getting difficult ..i
> remember that

and i remember why i am where i am. why did i embark down this path? helps me to remind myself of the begining and why.
patty

Everything will become uncomplicated and effortless once you start listening to your own body (mind is still useful for the analysis)! THe body's language is simple and transparent. Tastes yuck? Body does not like it. Feels bad on the tummy? Body does not like it. All the wisdom is within you! Yay!

As far as your question, for me it works best to eat what I love. And I do not mean here my past addictions. I mean what I truly love. What my body loves. Soon my mind learns to love it too.

Enjoy!

Gosia


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Hi siracusa,

Misery loves company, I'm new too. I haven't invested in a juicer yet. I'm still not sure I'll use it. However, I got myself a smoothie maker that mixes in the same container you drink out of. Best money I ever spent! Hubby will even use it. He's a sceptic, thinks this is just another fad diet and that it won't last. Curious to hear any feedback from a fellow struggler.

Nothing but good fortune to you. Lets all get Raw!

Maggie

Get the blender. It is a much more useful appliance for a raw foodist than a juicer.

Check out the power of this blender blending an iPhone. By the way, I have one of these blenders, and they are great!

LOL

siracusa you are too funny!

I'd stop reading that website if I were you. He/she sometimes graces this forum with their presence and you get no more straight-up info in person (?) than from the website. The website (if you are referring to the one you originally mentioned in your first posts) does not represent mainstream raw. It is not that there isn't interesting and even perhaps important information there, it is more a matter of being inaccessible, confusing and a tad-bit orthorexic/fanatical in spirit.

It really isn't that complicated (which is not to imply that it isn't difficult and extremely challenging) to begin eating more of your food raw.

Since you are temporarily not having fruit you'd probably enjoy a juicer better as it is difficult to make a good tasting green smoothie without some fruit to mellow the flavors. Just be sure that your juicer can handle leafy greens as not all of them can. When I was just starting out I used my juicer a lot a lot...now I use my blender a bit more (the juicer is a handmedown and the blender is a standard kitchen blender by Black and Decker - not optimal but it does for now).

In my limited experience, I'd recommend a juicer as the most important first major purchase for people transitioning from the Standard American Diet. Fresh vegetable juices are indispensable for alkalinizing an over-acidic body and using fresh juices a lot in the beginning will make you quickly feel a whole lot better.

I'd also recommend that you read The pH Miracle by Robert Young (if you haven't already). He is not an all raw guy and instead recommends an 80% raw food diet, but the value of the book with you in mind is his discussion of over-acidity in the body and its role in candida and inflammatory dis-eases such as rheumatoid arthritis. Plus, his transitional diet is moderate and is, in fact, how I got started on this whole trip myself. When I get confused (and the whole world of nutrition is contradictory and confusing as all hell) I go back to the basics: understanding alkalinity/acidity in the body, the benefits of cleansing the body and of allowing it rest from cooked, processed, refined, junky and too much food in general, the importance of enzymes and beneficial bacteria and so on. Dr. Youngs book is a good intro to these subjects as are books by Norman Walker, Bernard Jensen and Ann Wigmore as well as many others. Work to understand the basic principles that underpin the raw food lifestyle and all the details will fill out in time.

In the meantime, I agree with gosia. Don't force any food down your own throat. Also, take EVERYTHING you read with a grain of salt. When I first began I followed Robert Youngs book rather closely and although he recommended no carrots (too much sugar) in the vegetable juices I chose to use them anyway because I wasn't enjoying my green smoothies without a touch of sweetness and I reckoned that a green smoothie with a few carrots for flavor was a hell of a lot better than what I had been eating BEFORE starting the program. You have to trust yourself and your own ability to reason, change and grow. One day, if you stick with it, the carrots may taste too heavy and sweet as they have for me. I also want to add that I felt absolutely fantastic on Robert Youngs recommendations. I've yet to really feel that great since. Perhaps it was my honeymoon experience with getting off SAD, I dunno, but it sure did keep me motivated to get this far today. Check it out.


khale

i hear ya

my question is : why am i so blessed with such great choices to adhere to a simple lifestyle?

answer: cuz i'm blessed. that's why

Thanks everyone so much. I was kind of frustrated.

As a matter of fact, even though I have always eaten cooked food, I would not say that I have favored the SAD until a few years ago. I lived outside of the US (in Eastern Europe) until I was 24, and growing up over there, you simply did not have all these SAD processed foods available, whether you liked it or not (socialism was going on, simplicity and frugality were "key words".

My mom ALWAYS cooked from scratch and because my parents were both agricultural engineers working for some large greenhouses, we always had tons of fresh produce in the home. I have always loved raw salads because they were constantly done in our home - without anyone meaning to be "Raw".
We just always considered raw stuff to be an essential part of the daily menu.
I was the one in my family who ate most of it. My father used to call me "goat" because I ate "salad with food" instead of "food with a side salad" like..."normal" people do.

Of course, when I came to to States, I slowly slipped towards the SAD...
I mean, let's face, watchagonnado?
I found it funny to see my in-laws saying that they "cook" when they actually throw together and combine canned/store-bought/packed stuff and ...voila - there's your "home-cooked" meal!.

I thought cooking was what my family had always done - meaning taking stuff that grows from the ground or directly from the animal and cooking with IT...not with "can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soop". The Campbell brand doesn't come out of the ground...so anyway.

From this standpoint, it is really not that hard for me to transition to more raw. The problem is "100% raw". When I have just raw stuff - I feel empty and dizzy. If I have 80% raw and 20% cooked (or even 90-10), I get closer to feeling normal. It's almost like there is something in the cooked food that takes away that dizzy, foggy feeling even if you just eat a tiny bit of it.

Finally, it amazes me to no end that my husband - who grew up on southern, mushed-to-death "home cooked" food and later, when he left home, on frozen dinners...is healthy as a rock. Raw is something completely foreign in his family. They cannot tolerate anything that is not boiled/fried/softened to death.
In the 7 years I have known him he was not sick ONCE, not even with one little cold.

I, instead, who had tons of raw stuff growing up - I have been battling all sorts of problems for years including cronic allergies,permanent fatigue, muscle pain, candida overgrowth and more recently, a possible Rheumatoid Arthritis diagnosis which I may receive officially next week from the sepcialist (my GP is not convinced I have it, although he suspected it).

It is true however that my husband has been exercising vigurously 3 times a week RELIGIOUSLY, since he was 16. I have not - only occasionally throughout years. It is also true that my husband does not consume breads (he does not care for them - only meat and mushed veggies), I am insane for bread and used to consume very large quantities when I was at home in Eastern Europe.


So...I don't know anymore. It seems a bit unfair.

Bryan Wrote:
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> Get the blender. It is a much more useful
> appliance for a raw foodist than a juicer.
>
> Check out the power of this blender blending an
> iPhone. By the way, I have one of these blenders,
> and they are great!


What kind of blender is that, Bryan?
I think I am leaning towards a blender but I would like to get a good one who can actually make smoothies, not "roughies"...like the author of the aforementioned site was saying at some point.
I already have a little hand blender at home, I used to make baby-foods for my son with it - but it does not smooth up any greens.

This morning for instance I made my first smoothie - just out of curiosity - from one banana, one peach, spinach leaves, some beets and a but of lemn juice.

It was nice - yes, I know, I was not suppose to have fruit in the begining of the Candida diet - but it was not smooth. The spinach leaved were chopped in extremely small pieces, but you could still see them as separate from the rest of the mix.

So...I am thinking of a good blender that will make really smooth...smoothies.

I have seen that the really good ones (3hP) are around 400$ - that's a bit of an ouch. I could go with something around 250 though...

you`re right..it isn`t fair at all, but unfortunately that`s the way it is sometimes. genetics plays a role here too so depending on how healthy your ancestors are/were has something to do with you then go for a 90/10. you`re doing this for your health, you know what makes you feel healthy and what doesn`t. just make sure the 10 is a healthy, good choice.........not bread LOL
just my opinion though
patty

Midmag64 Wrote:
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> Hi siracusa,
>
> Misery loves company, I'm new too. [...]
Curious to hear any
> feedback from a fellow struggler.
>
> >
> Maggie

Yes, it does!!! I will be around here, hopefully it will get better and we will be able to serve as sources of inspiration for each other.
Sometimes though...the "ranting" technique works for me. I come from a culture that values "getting things off your chest"; and boy, do I get them off...or what.

))

a blender is a culinary tool

a juicer is a health tool


I didn't read any of the responses,

but you certainly want to STAY Functional!

research both sides of the candida issue (low fat or low carb ) first and make a choice

blending foods is only good if helps you eat more healthful raw foods, make delectable salad dressings from whole foods..etc..

if you are juicing as a replacement to meals (say breakfast or a pre dinner juice)

you are going a long way towards giving your body both nutrients it can use, and also providing for digestive rest. no matter what your candida approach is, this will be a great practice

just my thoughts, i'm sure they are in disagreement with some of the previous folks.



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Sometimes I get so sick of the complexity of this world we live in...

The world isn't complex. It just is what it is, right? So it must be our thinking about the world that is complex.

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Millions of schools of tought out there, anyone's argument (Einstein's included) can be completely smashed in a second by some other SP (= Smart Pants) with "The" truth in his/her hand, so on, so forth.

Is that true? In my experience, we can only know what's true for us in the moment. And then the next moment something else may seem truer.

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"I hate this relativistic world we live in. Why can't I know who's the good guy and who's the bad guy so I know whose butt to kick?

A relativistic world is a dreamworld; your personal dream. Isn't that fine? People tend to want to eliminate what's bothering then rather than looking at the cause of being bothered.

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Should I get a blender or a juicer?

Why get it at all when you can have as much fruit as you can eat?

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What is your advice to this completely confused and frustrated beginner? Blender or juicer?

Why do you think you're frustrated? I invite you to read 80/10/10 diet. It's a beginning.

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I suspect I will not be able to be 100% raw at all times, but I do want to get to 80-90% raw - which I hope is still good.

Is it a money question? Should the precentage of raw be more important than "healthy"?

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BY the way, if anyone cares to read further about the frustrations of a possibly carb-addicted person...trying to stay completely carb-free (fruit-free too) for a 2-3 months Candida elimination diet...

You're carb addicted because you are a carb eater, they say. Again, who doesn't love fruit? The latter is not the culprit of candida. Fat is.

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but I am so unsure that completely grain/bread/pasta/starch-free is going to work for me...

One way to find out...

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Maybe this cooked food thing IS an addiction; but it looks like you have to pay in this life for anything that "feels" good.

Why? There are no food addictions. There are thinking addictions. The addiction to the thought that you want what you eat. Is it true you want that? Without the thought that you want it or that you need it, where's the need? You may come to eat what's really in your integrity and isn't That what "feels" good.

Hmmm...so there's also a school of thought out there that says it is FAT the one responsible for Candida, not carbs/sweets.Well, I never heard of this one.

The classics say that it's the carbs and sugar.
In my case, this seems to apply because my diet normally is not high in fat, it is rather high in carbs. I normally eat A LOT OF fruit and if I let myself go, I would also be capable of eating a lot of breads. And I mean a lot. Normally, I consume bread trying to limit it as much as I can (which may not be much).

I do not have a high intake of saturated fats. I don't like meat that much, even less so fatty meats.

I tried a few days tp stay on just raw - some blended smoothies, salads, etc - and I got the most horrible dizziness, headache and lightheadedness I could iamgine. Could be detox symptoms, who know...

I will continue with a large percentage of raw but for now, 100% raw just does not seem to be possible - especially when I can't even have fruits, due to the candida elimination diet. I will ease into 100% raw slowly, that's my plan.

Try cutting out the fat altogether and eating all the fruit you want for a week and see what happens to your candida symptoms. You should see a result in even that short a period of time. And yes, do read 80/10/10 by Doug Graham, it will explain why the above suggestion will take care of your candida. Candida is related to fat intake.

Wishing you well, francis

Hi Siracusa!

I'm there with you - both newbie and Eastern European (Romania). I can recognize that humour and it is refreshing. I can unerstand the confusion as most of the promoters of some truth are/sound slightly fanatic. Try to read more of David Mason's posts or his site - it has helped me a lot. It is not your food choices that matter first- it is what your motivations and goals in life are. Food will be an expression of who you are. If your goal really is to live a simpler healthier life, to care for nature and all is creatures you are on the right track with raw and slowly you'll find your own diet within the big raw unbrella.

"There's no raw police" -this is another quote from David which I just loved (no, he hasn't asked me to promote his site)- experiment and see what feels ok with you - your tastes, your body. We are not the same. People talk about smoothies - I hate them (except the ones made exlusively of fruits and not many - usually banana and another one). I cannot combine fruit and veggies - I just hate the taste. Therefore I have a juicer mostly for my baby daughter and a CHEAP blender which I don't use that often. I feel bad after most nuts, seeds are slightly better if used sparsely, avocados are fine with me. I use salt as otherwise I cannot stomach any veggies. Maybe a few years from now my diet will look quite different (hopefully still raw) but for now I'm ok with where I am (diet wise).

Best of luck and a lot of health!

love,
peace
cricri

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> you`re right..it isn`t fair at all, but
> unfortunately that`s the way it is sometimes.
> genetics plays a role here too so depending on how
> healthy your ancestors are/were has something to
> do with you


Hmmm...Let's see here. My grandfather will turn 100 yo in a little over a year and everyone is shocked at how functional and healthy for his age he is. All other three gandparents lived into their nineties and late eighties. Parents both alive. No trace of cancer in my entire extended family, no other major cronic diseases.

My mom did develop diabetes at around 60yo - but I am 100% convinced she got it due to the enormous stress created by a very difficult child (my brother, major black sheep at 30+) and an equally difficult husband (my dad), the good' ol' demanding, patriarchal kind, like they still breed in Eastern Europe, Bless Their Hearts (as mom-in-law would say).

That being said, my ancestor's genes seem to rock. Mine, in turn, seem to suck.

On the other hand, virtually all relatives of my husband's father (him included) had cancer. All of them. He also had a first-degree cousin on his mom's side who died a few years ago of cancer, very young.
His mom is 80 and in good health.
All in all, my family seems to have better genes than his.

Maybe it's because of stress. I tend to be the kind that worries a lot, about everything, all the time. A bit of a control freak, with fears of failure, etc. On top of that, every yearly plane trip overseas is probably cutting my life span by 5 years. I have an enormous fear of flying and it is a miracle that I make it on that plane every year. I wouldn't if I did not have to go see my family. I don't want to even think about HOW I make it throuhg the 9-14 hours of flying (medication, stress, fear, sometimes screaming in horror for the flight attendants to come to my rescue and freaking out everyone else around me; I probably rank right up there with the terrorists and I feel sorry for everyone who has to fly in the same plane with me).

I still struggle with fear of dying. At 34, I have not come to terms with it. I still feel like a 16yo in this respect. Stupid, I know.



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> Maybe it's because of stress. I tend to be the
> kind that worries a lot, about everything, all the
> time. A bit of a control freak

after a review of your genes it does appear as though you come from "healthy stock" LOL. i think you hit the nail on the head with the stress and worry. have you researched what stress and worry can do to you? especially mounted up over a period of years. you need to chill honey LOL. you need to search deep inside your soul and find out why you are a control freak and why you are so insecure. then you begin to repair the damage you`re doing to yourself both physically and spiritually.

> I still struggle with fear of dying. At 34, I have
> not come to terms with it. I still feel like a
> 16yo in this respect. Stupid, I know.

definately not stupid and most certainly not alone. are you afraid of the actual way you might die or the aftermath so to speak? find a.... god i hate this word but i can`t think of another at the moment...religion, way of life, belief system that you can grasp and dig in
patty

cricri's post is so ON point

you may have to address your candida issues first

but eventually it is about eating the foods you enjoy and that appeal to your brain and senses as healthful foods, and you can always change from there.

Theres certain rules like food combining etc...that could be useful allies even early on, these can seem 'complicated' as first. but you can persevere towards the right ammount of simplicity.

don't listen to anyone on any "program" when you don't even know how long they have been on it, how sucessful their health is ...etc...

I definetly think the lower fat approach is worth your research, but ultimately its your decision.

Hi Siracusa,

Want a cheap, powerful blender? I got The Chopper online, and it's been great. It also has a food processor attachment, equally useful.

If you want to go raw w/out the dizziness, try having plenty of nuts with every meal. Never have fruit w/out nuts. (Even better, put both oil (coconut or sesame taste good) on fruit w/nuts and seeds.) When I was transitioning I ate almonds constantly, and on fruit I put walnuts, black sesame seeds, or best of all, hemp seeds (found at Whole Foods). I know people tell you not to eat a lot of nuts, but when you're transitioning, you need a lot of protein until your body adjusts to vegetable proteins. Gradually you'll need less and less.


Betty

"Don't believe everything you think."

Betty, your approach with the fruit and nut combining might be ok for a transitioning rawfooder without candida but for a person with candida fruit and nut combo's are a disaster. I have a friend who has battled with candida for years and the only thing that finally got rid of it was cutting the fat way down.

Francis

You're right, Francis. I was thinking of the dizziness and shouldn't have ignored the candida. Definitely take care of that first, Siracusa.

About the arthritis: I had it too, and it's symptoms were the first thing to go after going raw. Live without corn, wheat and potatoes (nightshades in general) while your 80-90% raw, and that should releive any inflamation.

Betty

"Don't believe everything you think."

If I completely cut out both fruit AND fat (including the good kinds such as in nuts) ...what in the world am I supposed to eat then?

I think that at this point my primary concern is to get rid of candida, more so than to become a 100% rawfoodist. Fruits seems to be a major part of a rawfoodist's lifestyle. If you take those out too...then you simply cannot do the raw food thing, at least not 100%.

I searched a lot on Candida but there seems to be little consensus as to what it does and how it can be "cured". Most sources say to cut out the sugar(including the one in fruits), the refined carbs (such as breads) and anything fermented such as cheese, dairy, etc.

That leaves me with very little to eat besides veggies which are simply not filling enough. Meat seems to not encourage Candida - according to classic soures, at least - but then again, meat is bad in and of itself.

So what's a poor "Candida-owner" to eat?....