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Fruit, veggies don't help breast cancer ????
Posted by: Sapphire ()
Date: July 18, 2007 01:13AM

Oh dear, this is not good news:

[news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca]

Here is the CNN article: [www.cnn.com]

So glad to see studies being done on things aside from those awful chemotherapy drugs, even if I don't like the results.

Sapphire

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Re: Fruit, veggies don't help breast cancer ????
Posted by: Stacie ()
Date: July 18, 2007 02:37AM

This is good news for us! This proves exactly what we already know to be true. Cooked food does not heal the body....it destroys it! The study does not mention raw foods at all. The people who contributed to the study ate cooked foods, vegetables, meats, dairy and fruit, no wonder their cancer returned.

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Re: Fruit, veggies don't help breast cancer ????
Posted by: dream earth ()
Date: July 18, 2007 02:55AM

Oh please! What a textbook example of SPIN that article was! CNN, which makes its money off the american dairy association and pharmaceutical companies attempts to subtly attack The China Study while keeping behind the actual research and conclusions of that study. But this one, funded by walmart (!) is supposed to be the true one.

"A group of 1,537 women were randomly assigned to a daily diet that included five vegetable servings, three fruit servings, 16 ounces of vegetable juice and 30 grams of fiber. In most cases, a serving equaled a half-cup. French fries and iceberg lettuce couldn't be counted as vegetables.

The women were allowed to eat meat, but were told to get no more than 15 percent to 20 percent of their calories from fat, a goal they ultimately were unable to achieve."

So in other words, they didn't eat the diet you assigned them in the first place. The "earlier study" said that a whole foods, vegan low-fat diet cures and prevents cancer; it does not say that eating liberal amounts of animals, all types of fat, and a few safeway non-organic, cooked vegetables and fruits would keep your cancer from coming back. The article later goes on to state that some of these people were overweight and that they all definitely under-reported their calories. It doesn't surprise me that overweight women, some in their fifties, were unable to keep breast cancer from returning after violently attacking their bodies with chemotherapy, not healing emotionally or physically detoxing; not eating organic foods, going vegan, actually eating low fat, or necessarily anymore than 20% raw food. People have to be willing to truly change themselves and their diet; you can't "randomly choose." But oh yes, it's time to forget diet and "go back to the drawing board," you simpleton.

The sweeping conclusions you can make from the outcome a failed, highly flawed, weak corporate study!

Force the change you want to see in the world through direct, socialist democracy!

[www.dreamingearth.net]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2007 03:07AM by dream earth.

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Re: Fruit, veggies don't help breast cancer ????
Posted by: Sapphire ()
Date: July 18, 2007 10:02AM

Not sure if I see how this study "proves" the superiority of a raw food diet if it doesn't even mention raw food ratios. I would have liked to see that any diet including an increased amount of fruits and veggies made a difference, raw or not. (even if the participants weren't able to completely commit to the degree requested, any increase should have hopefully shown some effect.)

I was not aware that the China Study had any specific stats on breast cancer survivors - would love to know exactly what they discovered.

Is it any worse for a study to be funded by Walmart versus funded by the pharmaceutical industry? Does this make it any more or less biased?

I agree that this probably means the dietary changes they made were not drastic enough, but I think this will also end up being inadequate regardless unless all the other healthy lifestyle issues are given equal time - exercise, stress reduction, sunshine etc. Realistically, most people would not commit to a raw organic diet. Might be more accepted in the future, but right now it's not really mainstream, a lot of people I know consider this idea downright weird.

For anyone diagnosed with any kind of cancer, information like this would be very valuable. I mean, let's face it, it seems likely that diet must play a role in developing cancer in the first place, but is that the greatest cause of the problem, and if so, why do so many people with horrible diets never get cancer? Maybe it's as simple as not enough sunshine (Vitamin D) as I have also been reading lately. Maybe it's something we haven't even considered yet! I think there are studies showing that exercise has measurable benefits on survivors. Who knows what hasn't been discovered yet!

I'd sure like to see a good large scale proper study of raw foods. Really scientific and inarguable. Wouldn't it be interesting ??

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