Hi all,

I'm thinking about starting on the raw foods diet at the end of the summer (I'm at a summer research base now, and we have cafeteria-style meals, so no self-cooking). I am really hyped about trying it, and think it will go well, as I started it for a bit before I left to do research for the summer and was amazed at how energetic I felt.

That said, I am concerned about how eating raw has the potential to affect my sport proformance. I am on a Crew (rowing) team on a college level, so our practice sessions are long and high-intensity. Frankly, I'm worried there might be a burn-out stage, which would definitely not be ideal. I know my ignorance is showing hardcore, because I'm sure there are many excellent ways to get what I need nutrutionally without falling back on meat, etc. Any quick ideas?

The thing that immediately comes to mind is nuts, like almonds or cashews, but I'm also a bit bugeted, and don't want to go overboard on this rather expensive fat source. Again, any ideas would be awesome. Thanks!

Your gonna struggle period,your body will eventually use all of it's energy cleaning you out and reversing any damage done by former eating habits, there's no escaping it....this is a total body over haul and you should give this process the patiants and care it deserves!

When this cleansing/transitioning period is over you will be as good as new!

F1

F1, I am an exercise enthusiast and do vigorous training throughout the day(yoga,weightlifting,jujitsu) and im just wondering, what amount of calories do you consume on a day and what is your height, you dont have to divulge your weight if you dont want to, but it would b helpful
thank you, Mocha!


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I don't concern myself with things my body already takes care of!

I just supply my body with what it needs and that it, I don't count, measure or single out certain foods, what I eat depends on the climate and activity I'm doing, I usually get by on 16oz of fresh juice from oranges a day, depending on my current needs.

To be honest with you asking things like what/how much I eat or my hieght seems pointless to me because knowing that is not going to give you what you want, learn about yourself instead of me.

F1





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/27/2007 10:52PM by The Fruitarian One.

F1,

I know i've seen you mention your thoughts on vegans bragging about the quantities of food they eat (to impress their meat eating counterparts I imagine?) anyway...of course this often is in the form of tons of pasta/soy protein stuff, that is really damaging people internally. But do you think there are problems associated with the idea of jamming down any carbs (fruits) to 'feed' exercise, and doing more exercise to essentially eat more and more carbs...in itself?

also, as an adjunct...do you think if people adopted this method during their cleansing phase , so they could stay active...not really on the denser/poorly combined stuff, and speed along their detox. Do you think the quantity of fruits can 'weight someone down a bit' in this regards?

I never know quite what to tell folks...

The Fruitarian One Wrote:
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> I don't concern myself with things my body already
> takes care of!
>
> I just supply my body with what it needs and that
> it, I don't count, measure or single out certain
> foods, what I eat depends on the climate and
> activity I'm doing, I usually get by on 16oz of
> fresh juice from oranges a day, depending on my
> current needs.
>
> To be honest with you asking things like what/how
> much I eat or my hieght seems pointless to me
> because knowing that is not going to give you what
> you want, learn about yourself instead of me.
>
> F1

So you are ingesting 220 calories most days.

If true, then you have just proven the Calorie Theory to be false.

(unless on the "other days" you are eating much more)

while i see flaws in the calorie theory myself, when i have counted calories, i ingested approx what my weight and activity would suggest (or slightly less)

calorie theory or not, i'm surprised you can thrive long term on that amount of food.

i would assume if you're exercising that you must be drinking water in addition to the orange juice...i would think you would be dehydrated otherwise...

fresh Wrote:
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> The Fruitarian One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't concern myself with things my body
> already
> > takes care of!
> >
> > I just supply my body with what it needs and
> that
> > it, I don't count, measure or single out
> certain
> > foods, what I eat depends on the climate and
> > activity I'm doing, I usually get by on 16oz of
> > fresh juice from oranges a day, depending on my
> > current needs.
> >
> > To be honest with you asking things like
> what/how
> > much I eat or my hieght seems pointless to me
> > because knowing that is not going to give you
> what
> > you want, learn about yourself instead of me.
> >
> > F1
>
> So you are ingesting 220 calories most days.
>
> If true, then you have just proven the Calorie
> Theory to be false.
>
> (unless on the "other days" you are eating much
> more)
>
> while i see flaws in the calorie theory myself,
> when i have counted calories, i ingested approx
> what my weight and activity would suggest (or
> slightly less)
>
> calorie theory or not, i'm surprised you can
> thrive long term on that amount of food.
>
> i would assume if you're exercising that you must
> be drinking water in addition to the orange
> juice...i would think you would be dehydrated
> otherwise...

On the other days I don't have anything....and I don't drink water.

BTW...I've already proven many theories to be wrong or not relevant to everyone.

F1



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2007 01:38PM by The Fruitarian One.

anaken Wrote:
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> F1,
>
> I know i've seen you mention your thoughts on
> vegans bragging about the quantities of food they
> eat (to impress their meat eating counterparts I
> imagine?) anyway...of course this often is in the
> form of tons of pasta/soy protein stuff, that is
> really damaging people internally. But do you
> think there are problems associated with the idea
> of jamming down any carbs (fruits) to 'feed'
> exercise, and doing more exercise to essentially
> eat more and more carbs...in itself?
>
> also, as an adjunct...do you think if people
> adopted this method during their cleansing phase ,
> so they could stay active...not really on the
> denser/poorly combined stuff, and speed along
> their detox. Do you think the quantity of fruits
> can 'weight someone down a bit' in this regards?
>
> I never know quite what to tell folks...

Vegans and cooked fooders do it as a part of this "bulking" process while bodybuilding....eiher way you look at it it's over eating!!!!

Even on rawfoods over eating justs overloads your digestive system...period!!!!

You can't clean properly if your stomach is full of food, raw or not!

F1

Hi Raeth,

Back to your question, F1 is right about your liklihood of struggling, but people's expereinces transitioning to raw vary widely. There are some things you can do to lessen this, which you are already keen to. Here are some further suggestions:

1) Get lots of rest. When you feel tired during practice or a regatta, find an opportunity to lay down on the grass. It's very possible that laying down for just 10 minutes can alleviate the sudden lethargy and make you feel renewed. Ignore it and the lethargy is likely to increase.

2) Eat a high fat and protein source with every meal. When you eat a bowl of fruit for example, cover it with any high quality oil (coconut tastes the best) and at least 2 Tbs. of seeds or a handful of nuts.

3) Snack on as many nuts as your body craves. Yes, this is going to be somewhat expensive. On the bright side, once you've been raw for a couple of weeks, your food consumption will cut down to half or a third of what you were eating before. Over time, your diet can cost much less than a cooked one, especially if you are gastronomically easy to please.

4) If there is a burn-out stage that you aren't up to dealing with, you always have the option of eating some cooked food to feel normal again. This is the case for my mom right now. She can't eat all raw without running to the bathroom, and as she isn't willing to experience heavy detox symptoms (she has to go slow because she has heart fibulations), she makes herself remember to eat some cooked food every day to control the speed of detox. Anything goes, you just have to listen to your body for guidance.

What are you researching, if I might ask, and where's the site?



Betty

"Let the beauty of what you love be what you do." Rumi

hey F1

that's cool that u see the simplicity and the efficacy of what you are doing

good on you

i agree

The Fruitarian One Wrote:

>
> On the other days I don't have anything....and I
> don't drink water.
>
> BTW...I've already proven many theories to be
> wrong or not relevant to everyone.
>
> F1

interesting. how many calories would you estimate you ingest on average daily?

what other theories have you proven wrong?
(i don't mean myths like humans need meat)

fresh Wrote:
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> The Fruitarian One Wrote:
>
> >
> > On the other days I don't have anything....and
> I
> > don't drink water.
> >
> > BTW...I've already proven many theories to be
> > wrong or not relevant to everyone.
> >
> > F1
>
> interesting. how many calories would you estimate
> you ingest on average daily?
>
> what other theories have you proven wrong?
> (i don't mean myths like humans need meat)

That question has already been answered and this thread is not about me....focus on yourself and finding out what make YOU tick....you'll benefit much more by doing that!

>That question has already been answered

i didn't see the answer, otherwise i wouldn't have asked.


> and this thread is not about me

sometimes threads go off on sidetracks. nothing wrong with that imo.


>....focus on yourself and finding out what make YOU tick....you'll benefit much more by doing that!

yes, thanks for the advice, which i do follow.
however i am often curious about others, for various good reasons.

Mocha, I saw your new pictures and noticed that, despite the big quantities of fruit you eat, you're still skinny. I hope you're not worried about this. I know you've not been eating raw for very long and unfortunately this skinny phase is something most of us have to go through when we first start eating raw. It's what F1 is referring to when he says that this is a total body over haul. Once your body has cleaned up you will be able to put on weight and maintain it on far less food than you're eating now.

My eldest son is the same age as you, he will be 17 in October. When he first went raw, almost 5 years ago, he stopped growing for a year and became very skinny. In the last two years he has shot up and is filling out very nicely and he is eating less food all the time. The cleaner your body becomes, the better it can utilize what you eat and the less you need to eat.

I think F1 is a good example of this. I remember him posting his food intake a while ago and it was very little then and now he is eating even less. I think very soon F1 will probably become a breatharian and we will have to call him B1 instead

I think you're doing amazing Mocha. Figuring out how to eat raw all by yourself when the rest of your family eat cooked. I know my son couldn't have done it.

Francis

la_veronique Wrote:
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> hey F1
>
> that's cool that u see the simplicity and the
> efficacy of what you are doing
>
> good on you
>
> i agree

It really is....it really helps to do all the legwork for yourself, that's the only way your going to learn about yourself and what works for you!

F1

Frannie Wrote:
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> Mocha, I saw your new pictures and noticed that,
> despite the big quantities of fruit you eat,
> you're still skinny. I hope you're not worried
> about this. I know you've not been eating raw for
> very long and unfortunately this skinny phase is
> something most of us have to go through when we
> first start eating raw. It's what F1 is referring
> to when he says that this is a total body over
> haul. Once your body has cleaned up you will be
> able to put on weight and maintain it on far less
> food than you're eating now.
>
> My eldest son is the same age as you, he will be
> 17 in October. When he first went raw, almost 5
> years ago, he stopped growing for a year and
> became very skinny. In the last two years he has
> shot up and is filling out very nicely and he is
> eating less food all the time. The cleaner your
> body becomes, the better it can utilize what you
> eat and the less you need to eat.
>
> I think F1 is a good example of this. I remember
> him posting his food intake a while ago and it was
> very little then and now he is eating even less. I
> think very soon F1 will probably become a
> breatharian and we will have to call him B1
> instead
>
> I think you're doing amazing Mocha. Figuring out
> how to eat raw all by yourself when the rest of
> your family eat cooked. I know my son couldn't
> have done it.
>
> Francis

That's spot on Frannie!

B1...ha,ha,ha

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F1

The Fruitarian One Wrote:

>
> Vegans and cooked fooders do it as a part of this
> "bulking" process while bodybuilding....eiher way
> you look at it it's over eating!!!!
>
> Even on rawfoods over eating justs overloads your
> digestive system...period!!!!
>
> You can't clean properly if your stomach is full
> of food, raw or not!
>
> F1

sure but most folks in their cleansing periods are going to be trying to meet their caloric needs. This has to come from somewhere...or else they would basically be cleansing far too quickly, no? I guess what I was trying to get at is if you think people who are eating large meals of fruit (mono) limited to twice a day or so are overloading there system as much(or more) as people eating much smaller meals of vegies/nuts etc...that arn't combined well. Like which would have more digestive rest? I'm sure you believe - as i do - that the 1lb salad right after the fruit feast is digestive overload..but maybe there is some GREENS bias in there..lol.

For myself. I can't say that when I eat less or more my weight fluctuates at all..but I can say that when my activity increases I do tend to eat more, and without causing any digestive distress of any sort. I don't do this to 'create energy' for the next time, for I know/have observed that my 'energy' is considerably higher when i'm pushing water (or juice) into the evenings, but it still seems to be what is right..for me...right now.

anaken Wrote:
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> The Fruitarian One Wrote:
>
> >
> > Vegans and cooked fooders do it as a part of
> this
> > "bulking" process while bodybuilding....eiher
> way
> > you look at it it's over eating!!!!
> >
> > Even on rawfoods over eating justs overloads
> your
> > digestive system...period!!!!
> >
> > You can't clean properly if your stomach is
> full
> > of food, raw or not!
> >
> > F1
>
> sure but most folks in their cleansing periods are
> going to be trying to meet their caloric needs.
> This has to come from somewhere...or else they
> would basically be cleansing far too quickly, no?
> I guess what I was trying to get at is if you
> think people who are eating large meals of fruit
> (mono) limited to twice a day or so are
> overloading there system as much(or more) as
> people eating much smaller meals of vegies/nuts
> etc...that arn't combined well. Like which would
> have more digestive rest? I'm sure you believe -
> as i do - that the 1lb salad right after the fruit
> feast is digestive overload..but maybe there is
> some GREENS bias in there..lol.
>
> For myself. I can't say that when I eat less or
> more my weight fluctuates at all..but I can say
> that when my activity increases I do tend to eat
> more, and without causing any digestive distress
> of any sort. I don't do this to 'create energy'
> for the next time, for I know/have observed that
> my 'energy' is considerably higher when i'm
> pushing water (or juice) into the evenings, but it
> still seems to be what is right..for me...right
> now.

Your thinking too much!

F1

Hey Betty,

Thanks a ton! You outlined (and answered) my concerns perfectly.

I'm researching the effects of sand on benthic macroinvertebrates (bugs on the bottom) in the Boardman River in Lower Northern Michigan. It's definitely a good time, and good people overall, who are very planet-oriented, which further spurred my interest in trying raw food.

Thanks again!

Raeth,

You are welcome. It's great that you're having such a good time. Keep up your faith in raw--if you keep up your spirit of inquiry on doing it right, it won't disappoint!


Betty

Just ask the questions, and the answers will come.