This forom is called Living-Foods.com/raw food support.com but does that mean only raw foodists can post here...no!....there's many vegans, vegetarians, people that are raw but still eat cooked stuff that post here, also within the definitions of vegans, vegetarians there are many sub-groups so why can't it be the same for fruitarianism?

I don't "purposely" restrict myself, if I instinctively needed to eat a head of lettuce at any time I would go a head and do it, it just so happens that I never need to, infact I'm very much like that woman in the article because I too will go months or seasons at a time on one type of fruit but I'm open to the fact that I can have what ever raw produce I need if I instictively need it....I don't eat fruits for ethical reasons so my interpretations/definition of the word fruitarian may have a different meaning to the definitions of others, I eat fruits because that's what appeals to my instincts and that's just the way I do things but that doesn't mean that that's what everyone should do to be a fruitarian, just because this woman does what she does doesn't mean that's what everyone else should do to be a fruitarian!...we all have our own personal interpretation of what raw veganism/fruitarianism is yet we are all on the same path, we all have different needs at different times and we all go through our own personal stages and it's us humans that set these labels/definitions and we should be more concerned with following our own instincts instead of debating the definitions of the word fruitarian.

I hope that made things clearer because I'm just about done with this thread!

F1





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2007 04:58AM by The Fruitarian One.

At least the issue is settled F1, we cannot build muscle on fruits alone. We thought you were and could not explain it but now we know.

Djatchy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> At least the issue is settled F1, we cannot build
> muscle on fruits alone. We thought you were and
> could not explain it but now we know.

Sounds like you want what your saying to be true so much that your going to believe it regardless of the truth, but I want to thank you for being the person you are because it's doubters like you that just make me stronger and your words give me more reason to train harder/smarter and better myself, it's doubters like you that make me appreciate myself and everything I do for others even more, it's doubters like you that prove my personal views and opinions on others doubters right, I also want to thank you for paying me such a huge compliment by doubting me with such conviction!!!...it's such an honour and testament to my attitude and character to think I am achieving something that others deem to be impossible.

Thank you for making me a better person.

F1





Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2007 09:12PM by The Fruitarian One.

Yes, you can do it with only fruit (except that you will have to have some reliable source of B12 and D).

This will give you about 2200 usable kcals. The rest is going to be bound up in the fiber that passes through your GI tract.

Melons, cantaloupe, raw 400 g 136.0
Squash, zucchini, baby, raw 800 g 168.0
Cucumber, with peel, raw 800 g 120.0
Waxgourd, (chinese preserving melon), raw 800 g 104.0
Oranges, raw, Florida 400 g 184.0
Tomatoes, red, ripe, raw, year round average 400 g 72.0
Bananas, raw 400 g 356.0
Papayas, raw 400 g 156.0
Avocados, raw, California 200 g 334.0
Blackberries, frozen, unsweetened 200 g 128.0
Strawberries, frozen, unsweetened 400 g 140.0
Peppers, sweet, red, raw 400 g 104.0
Grapefruit, raw, pink and red, Florida 800 g 240.0
Melons, honeydew, raw 400 g 144.0

It's about 6 kg of fruit--13 lbs.


===========================================
Energy | 2386.0 kcal
Protein | 65.1 g
Carbs | 508.6 g
Fiber | 124.0 g
Starch | 28.5 g
Sugars | 253.9 g
Fat | 44.6 g
Alcohol | 0.0 g
Caffeine | 0.0 mg
Water | 6144.2 g
Ash | 37.5 g

Vitamins
===========================================
Vitamin A | 42650.0 IU 1828%
Retinol | 0.0 µg
Alpha-carotene | 828.0 µg
Beta-carotene | 18714.0 µg
Beta-cryptoxanthin | 5734.0 µg
Lycopene | 11524.0 µg
Lutein+Zeaxanthin | 2878.0 µg
Folate | 1346.0 µg 336%
B1 (Thiamine) | 2.8 mg 255%
B2 (Riboflavin) | 3.2 mg 294%
B3 (Niacin) | 35.8 mg 256%
B5 (Pantothenic Acid)| 17.9 mg 357%
B6 (Pyridoxine) | 6.8 mg 519%
B12 (Cyanocobalamin) | 0.0 µg 0%
Vitamin C | 2126.2 mg 2835%
Vitamin D | 0.0 IU 0%
Vitamin E | 20.5 mg 137%
Beta Tocopherol | 0.4 mg
Delta Tocopherol | 0.1 mg
Gamma Tocopherol | 2.6 mg
Vitamin K | 306.8 µg 341%


Minerals
===========================================
Calcium | 1132.0 mg 113%
Copper | 3.5 mg 390%
Iron | 24.7 mg 137%
Magnesium | 1026.0 mg 321%
Manganese | 9.0 mg 502%
Phosphorus | 1840.0 mg 263%
Potassium | 14706.0 mg 313%
Selenium | 35.2 µg 64% * a little low but probably good enough
Sodium | 1142.0 mg 76%
Zinc | 20.0 mg 250%

Amino Acids
===========================================
ALA | 2.9 g
ARG | 2.8 g
ASP | 8.2 g
CYS | 0.6 g
GLU | 10.9 g
GLY | 2.2 g
HIS | 1.3 g
HYP | 0.0 g
ILE | 1.7 g
LEU | 2.8 g
LYS | 2.8 g
MET | 0.7 g
PHE | 2.6 g
PRO | 2.0 g
SER | 2.4 g
THR | 1.5 g
TRP | 0.6 g
TYR | 1.2 g
VAL | 2.3 g

Lipids
===========================================
Saturated | 6.9 g 35%
Monounsaturated | 21.0 g
Polyunsaturated | 8.9 g
Omega-3 | 2.2 g 201% * this is on the low side, maybe ok for small females
Omega-6 | 6.7 g 56% * ditto, could be double
Trans-Fats | 0.0 g
Cholesterol | 0.0 mg 0%
Phytosterol | 244.0 mg

Lee_123 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Your anger is misplaced. I asked my questions in
> good faith and you reacted quite strongly. I don't
> know why. We have no history. I'm just a fellow
> traveler.

I didn't get anger or defensiveness from F1's responses to you.


> I won't ask you any more questions or comment on
> your posts. It's obvious you don't know me and
> don't understand what I was trying to ask you.

Perhaps you should take a step back and consider whether you're the one who's misunderstood? I got loving respect and a sincere desire for communication from F1, not the anger and defensiveness that you are responding to.

Hi The Fruitarian One,

Please come and learn Pure Land Buddhism! We want you!!! All the words you said is exactly what a Buddhist need to learn all along and you already have done it!!

In Pure Land Buddhism, what we do is really simple. Eat a vegan diet and chant the name of Buddha - Namo Amitabha. At the moment you leave this world, Amitabha Buddha will come and bring you to Pure Land.

[amtbweb.org]

You know something, F1? It's really nice to see that you put down "Be good" at the end of almost every post of yours, because it matches the main principle of Buddhism! To me, being a good person is something which is more important than to eat raw!

All the Best,
Wong

Arugula: Whoa! Where does all the zinc, iron, calcium, and sodium come from! I only get half as much zinc and sodium (though I get double the calcium and iron), and I eat a handful of nuts and seeds and 1.5 pounds of greens a day, and the rest is fruit. My calculations estimate that there is about only ~ 9 grams of iron, ~8 g of zinc, and ~ 600 g of calcium in the average 2200 cal of non-fatty sweet fruits. What are the 'hidden' sources of lots of iron and zinc? Is it possible that some fruits are way more nutritious than others. I'm using bananas, various berries, apples, pears, oranges, and melon to make my estimates.

Where did you get your numbers from? Is that wax melon very nutritious? Hmmm...Very interesting...

Thanks!

Yes, it's the wax melon and the emphasis on nonsweet fruits.

Also, the quantities are huge. Most people do not eat that much. It would be easier with juicing some.

We probably don't need that much. I am guessing that the minerals from fruits have greater bioavailability than those from vegetables on the whole. But not as much protein. Most of the protein is probably in the structural part of plants: stems, leaves, etc.--rubisco is the predominant protein in plants, peobably the predominant protein on the planet, and it is critical in photosynthesis so it's mainly the green leaves that are highest in protein for those plant foods that can be eaten without cooking.

I, too, eat at least 1 lb of leaves per day. But I would very much like to be a local fruitarian.

I use the cron-o-meter at [spaz.ca] but it requries downloading java ( [java.com] ) to be able to use it. They are both free.

blue_sky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hi The Fruitarian One,
>
> Please come and learn Pure Land Buddhism! We want
> you!!! All the words you said is exactly what a
> Buddhist need to learn all along and you already
> have done it!!
>
> In Pure Land Buddhism, what we do is really
> simple. Eat a vegan diet and chant the name of
> Buddha - Namo Amitabha. At the moment you leave
> this world, Amitabha Buddha will come and bring
> you to Pure Land.
>
> [amtbweb.org]
>
> You know something, F1? It's really nice to see
> that you put down "Be good" at the end of almost
> every post of yours, because it matches the main
> principle of Buddhism! To me, being a good person
> is something which is more important than to eat
> raw!
>
> All the Best,
> Wong

Hey wong, how ya doing?

Thanks for the compliment, I'll check out the site, I have a big soft spot for buddism, I really resonate with it but then again I resonate with anything that uplifts and empowers people to be compassionate and mindful, I was actually looking at finding a place in Dallas but my issue is that I don't believe in worshiping another human being or anything that I cannot see, I don't mean to offend anyone but I believe that if there is a higher power then it's in each and everyone of us.

Thanks for the link man, I'll check it out, I might even pick your brains a little bit!

Be good

F1



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2007 03:30AM by The Fruitarian One.

Seabucktho Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee_123 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your anger is misplaced. I asked my questions
> in
> > good faith and you reacted quite strongly. I
> don't
> > know why. We have no history. I'm just a fellow
> > traveler.
>
> I didn't get anger or defensiveness from F1's
> responses to you.
>
>
> > I won't ask you any more questions or comment
> on
> > your posts. It's obvious you don't know me and
> > don't understand what I was trying to ask you.
>
> Perhaps you should take a step back and consider
> whether you're the one who's misunderstood? I got
> loving respect and a sincere desire for
> communication from F1, not the anger and
> defensiveness that you are responding to.
Hey Sea...

The cheques in the mail!!!!....ha,ha

F1

arugula Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yes, you can do it with only fruit (except that
> you will have to have some reliable source of B12
> and D).
>
> This will give you about 2200 usable kcals. The
> rest is going to be bound up in the fiber that
> passes through your GI tract.
>
> Melons, cantaloupe, raw 400 g 136.0
> Squash, zucchini, baby, raw 800 g 168.0
> Cucumber, with peel, raw 800 g 120.0
> Waxgourd, (chinese preserving melon),
> raw 800 g 104.0
> Oranges, raw, Florida 400 g 184.0
> Tomatoes, red, ripe, raw, year round
> average 400 g 72.0
> Bananas, raw 400 g 356.0
> Papayas, raw 400 g 156.0
> Avocados, raw, California 200 g 334.0
> Blackberries, frozen, unsweetened 200 g 128.0
> Strawberries, frozen, unsweetened 400 g 140.0
> Peppers, sweet, red, raw 400 g 104.0
> Grapefruit, raw, pink and red,
> Florida 800 g 240.0
> Melons, honeydew, raw 400 g 144.0
>
> It's about 6 kg of fruit--13 lbs.
>
>
> ===========================================
> Energy | 2386.0 kcal
> Protein | 65.1 g
> Carbs | 508.6 g
> Fiber | 124.0 g
> Starch | 28.5 g
> Sugars | 253.9 g
> Fat | 44.6 g
> Alcohol | 0.0 g
> Caffeine | 0.0 mg
> Water | 6144.2 g
> Ash | 37.5 g
>
> Vitamins
> ===========================================
> Vitamin A | 42650.0 IU 1828%
> Retinol | 0.0 µg
> Alpha-carotene | 828.0 µg
> Beta-carotene | 18714.0 µg
> Beta-cryptoxanthin | 5734.0 µg
> Lycopene | 11524.0 µg
> Lutein+Zeaxanthin | 2878.0 µg
> Folate | 1346.0 µg 336%
> B1 (Thiamine) | 2.8 mg 255%
> B2 (Riboflavin) | 3.2 mg 294%
> B3 (Niacin) | 35.8 mg 256%
> B5 (Pantothenic Acid)| 17.9 mg 357%
> B6 (Pyridoxine) | 6.8 mg 519%
> B12 (Cyanocobalamin) | 0.0 µg 0%
> Vitamin C | 2126.2 mg 2835%
> Vitamin D | 0.0 IU 0%
> Vitamin E | 20.5 mg 137%
> Beta Tocopherol | 0.4 mg
> Delta Tocopherol | 0.1 mg
> Gamma Tocopherol | 2.6 mg
> Vitamin K | 306.8 µg 341%
>
>
> Minerals
> ===========================================
> Calcium | 1132.0 mg 113%
> Copper | 3.5 mg 390%
> Iron | 24.7 mg 137%
> Magnesium | 1026.0 mg 321%
> Manganese | 9.0 mg 502%
> Phosphorus | 1840.0 mg 263%
> Potassium | 14706.0 mg 313%
> Selenium | 35.2 µg 64% * a
> little low but probably good enough
> Sodium | 1142.0 mg 76%
> Zinc | 20.0 mg 250%
>
> Amino Acids
> ===========================================
> ALA | 2.9 g
> ARG | 2.8 g
> ASP | 8.2 g
> CYS | 0.6 g
> GLU | 10.9 g
> GLY | 2.2 g
> HIS | 1.3 g
> HYP | 0.0 g
> ILE | 1.7 g
> LEU | 2.8 g
> LYS | 2.8 g
> MET | 0.7 g
> PHE | 2.6 g
> PRO | 2.0 g
> SER | 2.4 g
> THR | 1.5 g
> TRP | 0.6 g
> TYR | 1.2 g
> VAL | 2.3 g
>
> Lipids
> ===========================================
> Saturated | 6.9 g 35%
> Monounsaturated | 21.0 g
> Polyunsaturated | 8.9 g
> Omega-3 | 2.2 g 201% * this
> is on the low side, maybe ok for small females
> Omega-6 | 6.7 g 56% *
> ditto, could be double
> Trans-Fats | 0.0 g
> Cholesterol | 0.0 mg 0%
> Phytosterol | 244.0 mg

Yep of course you can...I think it's crazy to think you can't but then I would ...ha,ha, the guru's won't tell you you can because they don't want to get the blame when people quit at the drop of a hat!

To me if animals can live off their natural raw foods then why can't we?
If a healthy body can live with cooked foods for on average of 20-30 years, it should be able to handle raw produce real easy!


Be good

F1



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2007 03:42AM by The Fruitarian One.

Hello F1,

I'm doing great here.=)

Actually in my previous post I was referring to the words you said as below.

The Fruitarian One Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Sounds like you want what your saying to be true
> so much that your going to believe it regardless
> of the truth, but I want to thank you for being
> the person you are because it's doubters like you
> that just make me stronger and your words give me
> more reason to train harder/smarter and better
> myself, it's doubters like you that make me
> appreciate myself and everything I do for others
> even more, it's doubters like you that prove my
> personal views and opinions on others doubters
> right, I also want to thank you for paying me such
> a huge compliment by doubting me with such
> conviction!!!...it's such an honour and testament
> to my attitude and character to think I am
> achieving something that others deem to be
> impossible.
>
> Thank you for making me a better person.

But now I notice that you just said this:

>I believe that if there is a higher power then it's in each and everyone of us.

which again matches Buddhism really well! Buddha once said that every living being has Buddha nature in themselves.

>Thanks for the link man, I'll check it out, I might even pick your brains a little bit!

You and everyone are the most welcome to learn Pure Land Buddhism and it's really that simple. But I'm only a beginner in learning Pure Land Buddhism and I think there's really nothing you can learn from me. =)

All the Best,
Wong

Djatchy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> At least the issue is settled F1, we cannot build
> muscle on fruits alone. We thought you were and
> could not explain it but now we know.

I'm really not certain why you post to this forum. Given the negative energy you put in this forum, I am having a hard time imagining that you like it here. Perhaps this is not the right forum for you.

Fruitarian 1,

Oh how nice. If one instinctively eats beef, pork or lamb OCCATIONALLY, does that make someone a 'vegetarian'?

"The health aspect of vegetarianism has always seemed to be a bigger issue in America than in Britain, and a lot of people who only ate meat occasionally, for health reasons, started calling themselves 'vegetarian'. The latest surveys suggest that, in the USA, there are up to seven times as many of these 'semi' vegetarians as genuine vegetarians by any of the definitions above. "
[www.ivu.org]

From the sounds of it, everyone is NOT on the same page in all of this. Maybe it shouldn't matter what anyone calls themselves. But somehow it DOES. I over heard a conversation on the bus about a 'vegetarian'. They were complaining about how she got all moralistic about the pain that animals feel when you grind them into hamburger. They did not quite see the point of it all, when she regularly eats fish, and goes fishing. They were quite right to notice the contradiction. Fish are animals and feel pain. Its a human judgement to think one is worth avoiding and the other is not. Just imagine what more confusion could be caused if these people met an occational meat eating 'vegetarian'.

The conversation went on speculating if PLANTS feel pain from being harvested. which might have been a perfect introduction to fruitarianism. Maybe they will become fruitarian soon, who is to say.

I personally would not say that A "fruitarian" is nothing but a strict raw vegan. Sure its splitting hairs, as a raw vegan is not far away from a fruitarian, but its possible to be a raw vegan and not eat fruit at all! Its quite possible that people don't really care. But people might be confused if they see you eating something that isn't fruit, even more so if you eat something cooked, and greatly confused if you eat a steak "occationally". As people sometimes do call themsevles 'vegetarian' and eat steak occationally. Gosh, that isn't very well defined is it?

Mislu Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fruitarian 1,
>
> Oh how nice. If one instinctively eats beef, pork
> or lamb OCCATIONALLY, does that make someone a
> 'vegetarian'?
>
> "The health aspect of vegetarianism has always
> seemed to be a bigger issue in America than in
> Britain, and a lot of people who only ate meat
> occasionally, for health reasons, started calling
> themselves 'vegetarian'. The latest surveys
> suggest that, in the USA, there are up to seven
> times as many of these 'semi' vegetarians as
> genuine vegetarians by any of the definitions
> above. "
> [www.ivu.org]
>
> From the sounds of it, everyone is NOT on the same
> page in all of this. Maybe it shouldn't matter
> what anyone calls themselves. But somehow it DOES.
> I over heard a conversation on the bus about a
> 'vegetarian'. They were complaining about how she
> got all moralistic about the pain that animals
> feel when you grind them into hamburger. They did
> not quite see the point of it all, when she
> regularly eats fish, and goes fishing. They were
> quite right to notice the contradiction. Fish are
> animals and feel pain. Its a human judgement to
> think one is worth avoiding and the other is not.
> Just imagine what more confusion could be caused
> if these people met an occational meat eating
> 'vegetarian'.
>
> The conversation went on speculating if PLANTS
> feel pain from being harvested. which might have
> been a perfect introduction to fruitarianism.
> Maybe they will become fruitarian soon, who is to
> say.
>
> I personally would not say that A "fruitarian" is
> nothing but a strict raw vegan. Sure its splitting
> hairs, as a raw vegan is not far away from a
> fruitarian, but its possible to be a raw vegan and
> not eat fruit at all! Its quite possible that
> people don't really care. But people might be
> confused if they see you eating something that
> isn't fruit, even more so if you eat something
> cooked, and greatly confused if you eat a steak
> "occationally". As people sometimes do call
> themsevles 'vegetarian' and eat steak
> occationally. Gosh, that isn't very well defined
> is it?

Hey, I don't really care, this tread is just going around in the same circles, do what works for you, I really, really have no interest in debating or putting anymore toime into this thread so I'll finish up here.... I'm British but I often use American slang, does that make me any less British, c'mon people let's use our better judgement here....yeah some people don't stick to their own definitions of how they live but so what, get over it, besides that wasn't the subject of this tread, no body is perfect and we all have to live with our own choices, I think it's more important for you to stick to yours than to critisize others, personally I think some people have brought a lot of baggage to this discussion and my original point has been missed completely, my original point was that a Fruitarian and strict raw vegan are pretty much the same, so there really is no need for all this division because we are all on the same path so let's all just get a long but it seems that for some reason some people are pre-occupied with the word fruitarian and upholding that division, so fair enough, I'll leave y'all to it, you have your interpretations and I have mine and that's cool,either way we are all on the same path, so why should anybody really care what I or anybody else eats or label themselves if it's what they choose to do based on their own interpretations, if they are followimng what they think is right then more power to them I say, to me it doesn't matter how you label yourself the most important thing is how you live your life, the animals in the wild don't have labels they simply live their lifes!

Why do we have to get so stressed out and angry over what one eats and how they label themselves, personally I couldn't give a flying monkey how any body eats here because I gotta take care of myself first and I'm not going to judge anybody else for doing what they want to do, I'm also not going to set or follow a guildeline of what a fruitarian is because there cannot be any rules that are set in stone, nature doesn't work that way, plus then that would be a restrictive diet, plus everybody has different needs at different times, I can only do what I do, when I need to do it, as I said before we cannot all do the same things and by some guideline set by some human because this raw lifestyle is so personal, so to me venting, debating and getting upset over a label or definition is a complete waste of time because to me the raw lifestyle is a wholistic lifestyle that is so much more than obsessing about food.

So on that I'll leave you all to ponder, I'm done with this tread!

Be good

F1





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2007 02:06PM by The Fruitarian One.

blue_sky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hello F1,
>
> I'm doing great here.=)
>
> Actually in my previous post I was referring to
> the words you said as below.
>
> The Fruitarian One Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sounds like you want what your saying to be
> true
> > so much that your going to believe it
> regardless
> > of the truth, but I want to thank you for being
> > the person you are because it's doubters like
> you
> > that just make me stronger and your words give
> me
> > more reason to train harder/smarter and better
> > myself, it's doubters like you that make me
> > appreciate myself and everything I do for
> others
> > even more, it's doubters like you that prove my
> > personal views and opinions on others doubters
> > right, I also want to thank you for paying me
> such
> > a huge compliment by doubting me with such
> > conviction!!!...it's such an honour and
> testament
> > to my attitude and character to think I am
> > achieving something that others deem to be
> > impossible.
> >
> > Thank you for making me a better person.
>
> But now I notice that you just said this:
>
> >I believe that if there is a higher power then
> it's in each and everyone of us.
>
> which again matches Buddhism really well! Buddha
> once said that every living being has Buddha
> nature in themselves.
>
> >Thanks for the link man, I'll check it out, I
> might even pick your brains a little bit!
>
> You and everyone are the most welcome to learn
> Pure Land Buddhism and it's really that simple.
> But I'm only a beginner in learning Pure Land
> Buddhism and I think there's really nothing you
> can learn from me. =)
>
> All the Best,
> Wong

Hey Wong, I noticed that pure land is in Australia, are you in Australia too, if not how do you study this?

I was checking out the site and it's pretty cool, I'm unclear about the reciting and rebirth stuff though and I would probably have issues with it as my understanding is of it now but yeah nice one, how's your studying going!

You should get back to me on my forum or something!

Be good

F1

Hello F1,

Haha. It's weird that I've never posted on your forum ever since I became a member. Yes, from today onwards I think I'll get involve more in your forum!

BTW, no I'm not in Australia now. Currently I'm studying in Singapore, and I study Pure Land Buddhism by reading books/watching videos that related to it.

As for some info on Pure Land Buddhism, recitation is done by chanting the Buddha name over and over again, aloud or silently. Rebirth/Reincarnation is something every living being will experience after death, and the process will repeat itself for infinite amount of time. Each time we reborn, we forgot about everything we have said or done in our past lives. And there we have this Pure Land Buddhism, which helps us to be free from rebirth in the easiest way.

I think we'll talk more in your forum. =)

All the Best,
Wong

blue_sky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hello F1,
>
> Haha. It's weird that I've never posted on your
> forum ever since I became a member. Yes, from
> today onwards I think I'll get involve more in
> your forum!
>
> BTW, no I'm not in Australia now. Currently I'm
> studying in Singapore, and I study Pure Land
> Buddhism by reading books/watching videos that
> related to it.
>
> As for some info on Pure Land Buddhism, recitation
> is done by chanting the Buddha name over and over
> again, aloud or silently. Rebirth/Reincarnation is
> something every living being will experience after
> death, and the process will repeat itself for
> infinite amount of time. Each time we reborn, we
> forgot about everything we have said or done in
> our past lives. And there we have this Pure Land
> Buddhism, which helps us to be free from rebirth
> in the easiest way.
>
> I think we'll talk more in your forum. =)
>
> All the Best,
> Wong

Yeah, let's do that, there's a lot of variations to buddhism and each school seems to have their own beliefs, I'm currently looking for something that allows me to be me, where I don't have to wear certain clothes or look a certain way and that is closley tied to nature, the nature thing is very important to me!

Catchya on the forum buddy!

be good

F1

F1,
Great, yes why bother. If words are not important than why is there a raw vegan support board, fruitarian boards? or even different terms vegan, fruitarian? Its not so different its true. People made up terms so that others can understand them better, so that others know what to expect generally for social events, like dinners. Clear terms also generally help when advocating a particular lifestyle, without that...why bother.

Why bother having a living foods board(vegan). If these words truely don't mean much, then anyone could come here and advocate meat, milk, eggs, or the wearing of leather. The exact definition sort of makes a difference, at least here on the board. While its true that people judge you based on how well you follow some notion of vegetarianism, vegetarians are not judgement free of what other people do. To various extents you put on judgement of yourself and others when you call yourself vegan, fruitarian, vegetarian etc....

Ha,ha you know what, the funny thing is that I agree to a certain extent with the rational parts of your last post but whenever it comes to the word fruitarian all people want to do is debate and my point wasn't about labels, my point was that we are all on the same path, it was other peoples pre-occupation with labels and the definition of fruitarian that took this thread somewhere else, I even provided a general definition but all people wanted to do was debate it, so as you can see I infact tried to provide what your asking for, so why get hot and bothered at me?

Maybe I'm just not making myself clear and my intention was not to cause debate as I have no interest in debate, so I'll just use my time more constructively and go workout instead coz it's boring having to keep repeating ones self over and over, know what I saying!!!

If you and others still want to vent then go a head and knock yourself out!!!

Be good

F1





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2007 07:52PM by The Fruitarian One.

I don't understand other's confusion about what F1 is writing. I don't understand where all the hostility is coming from. He seems so clear to me.

I am an non-judgemental high-rawist!!! LOL! How is that for a label?

pakd4fun Wrote:
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> I don't understand other's confusion about what F1
> is writing. I don't understand where all the
> hostility is coming from. He seems so clear to
> me.
>
> I am an non-judgemental high-rawist!!! LOL! How
> is that for a label?

As far as I have known this has always happened when you mention "fruitarianism" it just sets some people off and I wanted to peacefully show that we are all on the same path but some people just want to vent and debate and it makes no sense at all...anyway I'm out, honest!

Be good

F1

sometimes ... *munches on a apple* i think .. *chomp chomp* we think too much

*reaches for an orange*

...Jodi, the banana eating buddhist

Yes, its a moot point. Fruitarian one, I don't understand completely why you brought it up. Didn't you predict this would happen? yet you say you didn't want to start a debate.

I will agree that its not a point worth debating. Yes, after all that you made your point. In the end 'so what'? I just feel bad now having posted some of the things...I completely forgot that 'the world is watching' and that there are new people, curious people coming here.

I am sorry I asked!

Jgunn Wrote:
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> sometimes ... *munches on a apple* i think ..
> *chomp chomp* we think too much
>
> *reaches for an orange*

Hey...save some of those oranges for me!!!!

Ha,ha!

F1

Mislu Wrote:
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> Yes, its a moot point. Fruitarian one, I don't
> understand completely why you brought it up.
> Didn't you predict this would happen? yet you say
> you didn't want to start a debate.
>
> I will agree that its not a point worth debating.
> Yes, after all that you made your point. In the
> end 'so what'? I just feel bad now having posted
> some of the things...I completely forgot that 'the
> world is watching' and that there are new people,
> curious people coming here.
>
> I am sorry I asked!

Thankyou...have a great day!

Be good

F1

I am a happy fruitarian. I love fruit.