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Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 01, 2014 04:47PM

Coconut oil (saturated fat) is about 50 percent lauric acid, 18 percent myristic acid and 8 percent palmitic acid.

[nutritionfacts.org]

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What about exercise? We can't always change our station in life, but we can always go out for a walk. Researchers studied 2400 twins, and those that exercised more pumped up their telomeres along with their muscles.These were mostly folks in their 40s, does it still work in your 50s? Yes. These "habitual" exercisers were working out three hours a week, better than the younger group. The "heavy" exercise group was only averaging about a half-hour a day. What happens if you study hard-core athletes?Here's the telomere lengths of young healthy regular folks at around age 20, and then age 50, which is what we'd expect, our telomeres get eaten away as we age.But what about the athletes? They start out in the same boat, nice long young healthy telomeres capping all their chromosomes. And then at age 50? They appear to still have the chromosomes of a 20 year old. But these were marathon runners, triathletes running 50 miles a week for, oh, 35 years. That's worse than the meditation retreat!That doesn't help us with the original question, What was it about the Ornish intervention that so powerfully protected telomeres after just three months? We saw that just stress management seems to help, but what about the diet versus exercise. Was it the plant-based diet, was it the walking 30 minutes a day—or, was it just because of the weight loss? In those three months, participants lost about 20 pounds. Maybe your telomeres are happy if you lose 20 pounds using any method, you know, starting a cocaine habit, getting tuberculosis, whatever.To answer this critical question—was it the plant-based diet specifically, the exercise, or the weight loss—ideally you'd do a study where you randomized people into at least three groups, a control group that did nothing, sedentary with a typical diet, a group that just exercised, and a group that lost weight eating pretty much the same diet, but just in smaller portions. And I'm happy to report in 2013 just such a study was published.They took about 400 women and randomized them up into four groups: a portion-controlled diet group, and exercise group, and a portion controlled diet and exercise group for a full year.And here they are. This is how long their telomeres were at baseline. After a year of doing nothing, there was essentially no change in the control group, which is what we'd expect.The exercise group was no whimpy Ornish 30 minute stroll, but 45 minutes of moderate-to-vigorous exercise like jogging. After a year of that, how did they do? They did no better. What about just weight loss? Nothin'. And exercise and weight loss? No significant change either.So as long as you're eating the same diet, it doesn't appear to matter how small your portions are, or how much weight you lose, or how hard you exercise, after a year, they saw no benefit. Whereas the Ornish group on the plant-based diet, lost the same amount of weight after just three months, exercising less than half as hard and saw significant telomere protection.So it wasn't the weight loss, wasn't the exercise, it was the food.What about a plant-based diet is so protective? Higher consumption of vegetables, less butter, and more fruit. From the latest review, foods high in fiber and vitamins, but the key may be avoiding saturated fat. Swapping just 1% of saturated fat calories in our diet for anything else can add nearly a whole year of aging's worth of length onto our telomeres. Researchers have calculated how much of our telomeres we may shave off per serving of foods like ham or hot dogs, bologna, salami, or other lunch meats. Fish consumption was also significantly associated with shortened telomeres.Saturated fats like palmitic acid, the primary saturated fat in salmon, and found in meat, eggs, and dairy in general can actually be toxic to cells. This has been demonstrated in heart cells, bone marrow cells, pancreatic cells and brain cells. And the toxic effects on cell death rates happen right around what you'd see in the blood stream of people who eat a lot of animal products. It may not be the saturated fat itself, though saturated fat may just be a marker for the increased oxidative stress and inflammation associated with those foods.With this link to saturated fat, no wonder lifelong low cholesterol levels have been related to longer telomeres and a smaller proportion of short telomeres—in other words markers of slower biological aging.In fact there's a rare congenital birth defect called progeria syndrome, where children essential age 8-10 times faster than normal. It seems associated with a particular inability to handle animal fats. They started trying lower her cholesterol levels starting at age 2, but sadly, she died shortly after this picture was taken at age 10.The good news is that even if you've been beating up on your telomeres, despite past accumulated injury leading to shorter telomere lengths, current healthy behaviors might help to decrease a person’s risk of some of the potential consequences, like heart disease. Eating more fruit and vegetables and less meat, and having more support from friends and family to attenuate the association between shorter telomeres and the ravages of aging.To summarize, here's a schematic of this constant battle. Inflammation, oxidation, damage and dysfunction are constantly hacking away at our telomeres, at the same time our antioxidant defenses, a healthy diet and exercise, stress reduction are constantly rebuilding them.Telomere length shortens with age. Progressive shortening of our telomeres leads to cell death or transformation into cancer, affecting the health and lifespan of an individual. But the rate of telomere shortening can be either increased or decreased by specific lifestyle factors. Better choice of diet and activities has great potential to reduce the rate of telomere shortening or at least prevent excessive telomere shrinkage, leading to delayed onset of age-associated diseases and increased lifespan.

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 01, 2014 05:45PM

*Sigh*.... nice try...


"Saturated fats like palmitic acid, the primary saturated fat in salmon, and found in meat, eggs, and dairy in general can actually be toxic to cells."

"And the toxic effects on cell death rates happen right around what you'd see in the blood stream of people who eat a lot of animal products."


Again comparing cooked animal fats to raw, plant-based fats. Yeah, you bet that after you cook palmitic acid at high temperatures it turns into something that is toxic to your cells.


"It MAY NOT BE THE SATURATED FAT ITSELF, though saturated fat may just be a marker for the increased oxidative stress and inflammation associated with those foods."


Yeah, oxidative stress and inflammation caused by COOKED ANIMAL PRODUCTS and COOKED FATS.

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 01, 2014 06:00PM

Also, the saturated fat in coconuts and coconut oil are mostly medium-chain fatty acids which offer a host of health benefits. And you know what else... coconut oil increases HDL.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Each 10-mg/dl increment in HDL cholesterol was associated with a 14% (HR 0.86, 0.78 to 0.96) decrease in risk of mortality before 85 years of age. In conclusion, after adjusting for other factors associated with longevity, higher HDL cholesterol levels were significantly associated with survival to 85 years of age."

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"The present study suggests that among very old subjects living in the community the higher levels of HDL-cholesterol are associated with better functional performance."

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"In people older than 85 years, high total cholesterol concentrations are associated with longevity owing to lower mortality from cancer and infection. The effects of cholesterol-lowering therapy have yet to be assessed."

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Low HDL-C level is a risk factor for CVD mortality in elderly Japanese-American men. High HDL-C and the Int 14A variant of the CETP gene may increase odds for healthy aging."

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 01, 2014 07:10PM

There are comments from experts on the top link. Learn from them instead of jtprindl (a teenager obsessed with Brian Clements that knows everything)

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 01, 2014 08:12PM

Panchito Wrote:
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> There are comments from experts on the top link.
> Learn from them instead of jtprindl (a teenager
> obsessed with Brian Clements that knows
> everything)


Well, for one, I'm not a teenager (and even if I was, I'm clearly far more mature than yourself). Two, again you get disproven and talk about Brian Clement and resort to insults even though nothing I said had any relevance to Brian Clement. Three, there are lots of "experts" who are heavily mistaken because they don't read scientific literature and have been brainwashed into believing what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to believe (so they can push more and more drugs). But yes, you certainly have a lot of learning to do. And neither saturated fat nor cholesterol has anything to do with causing heart disease, that is well documented.



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 02, 2014 12:59AM

here is a study that says that coconut milk causes endothelial damage (as all high fat foods have lots of AGEs)

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

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INTRODUCTION: Endothelial dysfunction is known to occur in patients with coronary artery disease. Flow-mediated dilation of the brachial artery using Doppler ultrasound is a non-invasive technique for the assessment of endothelial function. The objective of the study was to use the above method to evaluate the pathophysiology of high-fat (HF) intake on endothelial function in a local population. A popular local dish "nasi-lemak", a source of high saturated fat content from coconut milk, was chosen to represent a local high-fat meal (LHF).

CONCLUSION The results suggest that in a local population, impairment of endothelial function is a possible mechanism in the pathophysiology of atherosclerosis from HF intake, beyond just affecting lipid levels. This effect is observed after both a LHF and a WHF meal intake. This technique to study endothelial function may be a useful non-invasive screening tool in the study of other HF diet choices and provides further information for the education of the influence of dietary choices on atherosclerosis.

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:13AM

Do you know what nasi-lemak is? It's a COOKED dish with not only cooked coconut milk but with other cooked foods.

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:22AM

yeah, it is not STONE GROUND. Every oil that is not STONE GROUND is not the same for Pete's sake!

The small detail is that you do not have a study showing the opposite, so your point is worthless. Anybody can come up with pop ideas

this is another study but with RAW oil

[marshfieldceliac.weebly.com]

(numbers = AGE kU/100 g)

Oil, olive 11,900
Oil, sesame (Asian Gourmet) 21,680

compare it with low fat:

Apple, Macintosh 13
Banana 9
Cantaloupe 20
Dates, Sun-Maid California 60
Carrots, canned 10

any more pop ideas?



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:45AM

"The small detail is that you do not have a study showing the opposite, so your point is worthless. Anybody can come up with pop ideas"

You're joking, right? So you come here to claim that saturated fat shortens telomeres and then when you get shown how those studies are done on COOKED ANIMAL FOODS not RAW coconut, your response is that I don't have a study that proves coconut oil DOESN'T shorten telomeres? That's hilarious. In regards to saturated fat and heart disease... yeah I have a few of those...

[ajcn.nutrition.org] - "A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat."

[annals.org] - "Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats."


Why are you obsessed with AGE's as if they are the only factor involved with health or aging? Not only do you have absolutely no details on the type of oils used (could be cooked, processed and/or refined) but this isn't even verifiable by anything, it's just a random link.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - " In a protein-reducing sugar model, the sunflower sprout Helianthus annuus exhibited the strongest inhibitory effects against the formation of advanced glycation end products (AGEs)." - Oh look, a high-fat food (sprouted sunflower seeds) exhibits strong effects against AGE's. Plus, a high phytochemical diet protects against AGE's, you know, a diet rich in sprouts, algae's and superfoods.



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 01:59AM

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Foods that are either raw or cooked at low temperatures are relatively low in AGE's, and such foods include raw fruits and vegetables, raw fish, RAW NUTS, yoghurt, tofu, pasta, boiled rice, boiled potatoes and other boiled or simmered foods". ROASTED nuts are high in AGE's, however.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - Formation of lipid oxidation and isomerization products DURING PROCESSING of nuts and sesame seeds.

"Nut roasting and sesame heat treatment increased the primary (hydroperoxides) and secondary (aldehydic compounds) lipid oxidation products, with the p-anisidine value reaching 6-11.5 and thiobarbituric acid reactive substances 3-5 mg/kg (equiv of malondialdehyde) in the different end products. In addition, roasting led to the formation of CML (between 12.7 and 17.7 ng/mg) and tFAs (between 0.6 and 0.9 g/100 g) in nuts and tahina, which were ABSENT IN THE RAW MATERIAL. Roasting parameters appear as the critical factor to control to limit the CML and tFA formation in the final product."



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 02, 2014 02:11AM

je je. The study was done using the fat from coconut and now you cry that it wasn't PURE raw coconut fat ja ja. Next thing you would say is that the coconut wasn't express delivered from the tree or it wasn't fresh enough. ya da ya da ya da. I am waiting for the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE naming. You always say that to everybody. And that would complete the jtprindl kneejerk I am used to see.

another one: [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Consumption of saturated fat impairs the anti-inflammatory properties of high-density lipoproteins and endothelial function.

COCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function.

oh wait, it wasn't pure STONE GROUND oil, express delivered, raw.

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 02:21AM

"je je. The study was done using the fat from coconut and now you cry that it wasn't PURE raw coconut fat ja ja. Next thing you would say is that the coconut wasn't express delivered from the tree or it wasn't fresh enough. ya da ya da ya da. I am waiting for the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE naming. You always say that to everybody. And that would complete the jtprindl kneejerk I am used to see."

Yeah, the COOKED fat from coconut combined with other COOKED foods. It's not comparable in any way, shape, or form. That's like saying a vegan diet is unhealthy because you followed vegans who drank soda and ate Oreo's and donuts and therefore concluded vegan diets are unhealthy and unsafe.


"COCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function."

Yeah, on COOKED ANIMAL FOODS, not raw coconut. You are not proving anything. Yes, cooking saturated fat is going to turn into something toxic and cause inflammation, and that inflammation impairs arterial endothelial function. Raw coconut does not, as evidenced by cultures who eat up to 50% of their diet from raw coconut and have virtually zero heart disease. Plus, I've already posted two HUGE studies proving saturated fat does not cause CVD.


Both of your accusations (in regards to AGE's and saturated fat) are WRONG and based off COOKED FOODS.



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 02:32AM

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"A higher intake of dairy SF was associated with LOWER CVD risk. In contrast, a higher intake of meat SF was associated with GREATER CVD risk. The substitution of 2% of energy from meat SF with energy from dairy SF was associated with a 25% lower CVD risk. No associations were observed plant or butter SF and CVD risk"

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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: Panchito ()
Date: October 02, 2014 02:32AM

what a rubbish. If I posted comments was only for the benefit of others. Hope others learn the thought train wreck of jtprindl and avoid him on the future



Bye bye



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Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
Posted by: jtprindl ()
Date: October 02, 2014 02:38AM

Panchito Wrote:
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> what a rubbish. If I posted comments was only for
> the benefit of others. Hope others learn the
> thought train rack of jtprindl
>
> Bye bye


I'd highly recommend including more fat in your diet because your cognition is suffering mightily. This is evidenced not only by your aggressive and instable behavior (insults) but also by not being able to understand something as basic as raw plant fats not being equal to cooked fats (animal or plant) and your severe close-mindedness based upon N.H/811 dogma. Hope everything works out for you. I still hope that maybe one day we can have an intelligent, mature discussion without you insulting and running away when proven wrong, that'd be nice. Until then....



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