Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 01, 2014 04:47PM Coconut oil (saturated fat) is about 50 percent lauric acid, 18 percent myristic acid and 8 percent palmitic acid.
[nutritionfacts.org]
Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 01, 2014 05:45PM *Sigh*.... nice try...
"Saturated fats like palmitic acid, the primary saturated fat in salmon, and found in meat, eggs, and dairy in general can actually be toxic to cells." "And the toxic effects on cell death rates happen right around what you'd see in the blood stream of people who eat a lot of animal products." Again comparing cooked animal fats to raw, plant-based fats. Yeah, you bet that after you cook palmitic acid at high temperatures it turns into something that is toxic to your cells. "It MAY NOT BE THE SATURATED FAT ITSELF, though saturated fat may just be a marker for the increased oxidative stress and inflammation associated with those foods." Yeah, oxidative stress and inflammation caused by COOKED ANIMAL PRODUCTS and COOKED FATS. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 01, 2014 06:00PM Also, the saturated fat in coconuts and coconut oil are mostly medium-chain fatty acids which offer a host of health benefits. And you know what else... coconut oil increases HDL.
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] "Each 10-mg/dl increment in HDL cholesterol was associated with a 14% (HR 0.86, 0.78 to 0.96) decrease in risk of mortality before 85 years of age. In conclusion, after adjusting for other factors associated with longevity, higher HDL cholesterol levels were significantly associated with survival to 85 years of age." [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] "The present study suggests that among very old subjects living in the community the higher levels of HDL-cholesterol are associated with better functional performance." [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] "In people older than 85 years, high total cholesterol concentrations are associated with longevity owing to lower mortality from cancer and infection. The effects of cholesterol-lowering therapy have yet to be assessed." [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] "Low HDL-C level is a risk factor for CVD mortality in elderly Japanese-American men. High HDL-C and the Int 14A variant of the CETP gene may increase odds for healthy aging." Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 01, 2014 07:10PM There are comments from experts on the top link. Learn from them instead of jtprindl (a teenager obsessed with Brian Clements that knows everything) Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 01, 2014 08:12PM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > There are comments from experts on the top link. > Learn from them instead of jtprindl (a teenager > obsessed with Brian Clements that knows > everything) Well, for one, I'm not a teenager (and even if I was, I'm clearly far more mature than yourself). Two, again you get disproven and talk about Brian Clement and resort to insults even though nothing I said had any relevance to Brian Clement. Three, there are lots of "experts" who are heavily mistaken because they don't read scientific literature and have been brainwashed into believing what the pharmaceutical industry wants them to believe (so they can push more and more drugs). But yes, you certainly have a lot of learning to do. And neither saturated fat nor cholesterol has anything to do with causing heart disease, that is well documented. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2014 08:12PM by jtprindl. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 02, 2014 12:59AM here is a study that says that coconut milk causes endothelial damage (as all high fat foods have lots of AGEs)
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 01:13AM Do you know what nasi-lemak is? It's a COOKED dish with not only cooked coconut milk but with other cooked foods. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 02, 2014 01:22AM yeah, it is not STONE GROUND. Every oil that is not STONE GROUND is not the same for Pete's sake!
The small detail is that you do not have a study showing the opposite, so your point is worthless. Anybody can come up with pop ideas this is another study but with RAW oil [marshfieldceliac.weebly.com] (numbers = AGE kU/100 g) Oil, olive 11,900 Oil, sesame (Asian Gourmet) 21,680 compare it with low fat: Apple, Macintosh 13 Banana 9 Cantaloupe 20 Dates, Sun-Maid California 60 Carrots, canned 10 any more pop ideas? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 01:26AM by Panchito. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 01:45AM "The small detail is that you do not have a study showing the opposite, so your point is worthless. Anybody can come up with pop ideas"
You're joking, right? So you come here to claim that saturated fat shortens telomeres and then when you get shown how those studies are done on COOKED ANIMAL FOODS not RAW coconut, your response is that I don't have a study that proves coconut oil DOESN'T shorten telomeres? That's hilarious. In regards to saturated fat and heart disease... yeah I have a few of those... [ajcn.nutrition.org] - "A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat." [annals.org] - "Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats." Why are you obsessed with AGE's as if they are the only factor involved with health or aging? Not only do you have absolutely no details on the type of oils used (could be cooked, processed and/or refined) but this isn't even verifiable by anything, it's just a random link. [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - " In a protein-reducing sugar model, the sunflower sprout Helianthus annuus exhibited the strongest inhibitory effects against the formation of advanced glycation end products (AGEs)." - Oh look, a high-fat food (sprouted sunflower seeds) exhibits strong effects against AGE's. Plus, a high phytochemical diet protects against AGE's, you know, a diet rich in sprouts, algae's and superfoods. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 01:52AM by jtprindl. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 01:59AM [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
"Foods that are either raw or cooked at low temperatures are relatively low in AGE's, and such foods include raw fruits and vegetables, raw fish, RAW NUTS, yoghurt, tofu, pasta, boiled rice, boiled potatoes and other boiled or simmered foods". ROASTED nuts are high in AGE's, however. [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] - Formation of lipid oxidation and isomerization products DURING PROCESSING of nuts and sesame seeds. "Nut roasting and sesame heat treatment increased the primary (hydroperoxides) and secondary (aldehydic compounds) lipid oxidation products, with the p-anisidine value reaching 6-11.5 and thiobarbituric acid reactive substances 3-5 mg/kg (equiv of malondialdehyde) in the different end products. In addition, roasting led to the formation of CML (between 12.7 and 17.7 ng/mg) and tFAs (between 0.6 and 0.9 g/100 g) in nuts and tahina, which were ABSENT IN THE RAW MATERIAL. Roasting parameters appear as the critical factor to control to limit the CML and tFA formation in the final product." Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 02:02AM by jtprindl. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 02, 2014 02:11AM je je. The study was done using the fat from coconut and now you cry that it wasn't PURE raw coconut fat ja ja. Next thing you would say is that the coconut wasn't express delivered from the tree or it wasn't fresh enough. ya da ya da ya da. I am waiting for the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE naming. You always say that to everybody. And that would complete the jtprindl kneejerk I am used to see.
another one: [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Consumption of saturated fat impairs the anti-inflammatory properties of high-density lipoproteins and endothelial function. COCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function. oh wait, it wasn't pure STONE GROUND oil, express delivered, raw. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 02:21AM "je je. The study was done using the fat from coconut and now you cry that it wasn't PURE raw coconut fat ja ja. Next thing you would say is that the coconut wasn't express delivered from the tree or it wasn't fresh enough. ya da ya da ya da. I am waiting for the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE naming. You always say that to everybody. And that would complete the jtprindl kneejerk I am used to see."
Yeah, the COOKED fat from coconut combined with other COOKED foods. It's not comparable in any way, shape, or form. That's like saying a vegan diet is unhealthy because you followed vegans who drank soda and ate Oreo's and donuts and therefore concluded vegan diets are unhealthy and unsafe. "COCLUSIONS: Consumption of a saturated fat reduces the anti-inflammatory potential of HDL and impairs arterial endothelial function." Yeah, on COOKED ANIMAL FOODS, not raw coconut. You are not proving anything. Yes, cooking saturated fat is going to turn into something toxic and cause inflammation, and that inflammation impairs arterial endothelial function. Raw coconut does not, as evidenced by cultures who eat up to 50% of their diet from raw coconut and have virtually zero heart disease. Plus, I've already posted two HUGE studies proving saturated fat does not cause CVD. Both of your accusations (in regards to AGE's and saturated fat) are WRONG and based off COOKED FOODS. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 02:24AM by jtprindl. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 02:32AM [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
"A higher intake of dairy SF was associated with LOWER CVD risk. In contrast, a higher intake of meat SF was associated with GREATER CVD risk. The substitution of 2% of energy from meat SF with energy from dairy SF was associated with a 25% lower CVD risk. No associations were observed plant or butter SF and CVD risk" Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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Panchito
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Date: October 02, 2014 02:32AM what a rubbish. If I posted comments was only for the benefit of others. Hope others learn the thought train wreck of jtprindl and avoid him on the future
Bye bye Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 02:34AM by Panchito. Re: Saturated fat shortens telomeres
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jtprindl
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Date: October 02, 2014 02:38AM Panchito Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > what a rubbish. If I posted comments was only for > the benefit of others. Hope others learn the > thought train rack of jtprindl > > Bye bye I'd highly recommend including more fat in your diet because your cognition is suffering mightily. This is evidenced not only by your aggressive and instable behavior (insults) but also by not being able to understand something as basic as raw plant fats not being equal to cooked fats (animal or plant) and your severe close-mindedness based upon N.H/811 dogma. Hope everything works out for you. I still hope that maybe one day we can have an intelligent, mature discussion without you insulting and running away when proven wrong, that'd be nice. Until then.... Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2014 02:39AM by jtprindl. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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