I know, I'm not expecting many replies because on other forums when the word "cancer" comes up everyone is scared to reply. I think I have it in my lymphs just because I've had it in the past. I would hope the cleansing and eating better even though on and off has at least been a good thing. I think maybe I started having more swollen lymphs after doing that master cleanse fast. Maybe I would at least need regular juices instead. Is there anything anyone would recommend to fight it naturally and on your own? On other forums I'm told to go to a naturapath and through an online search found a couple around here but I don't have the money and wouldn't want to go in debt because of some quack. Raw eating isn't even popular, I don't want some quack selling me herbs, teas and supplements (that I could learn about online for free) and just telling me to "eat better" ya know? It's hard enough finding high quality or organic raw fruits here.

I plan on juicing wheat grass and trying that Essiac tea. Should I just be eating 100% raw or should I be juice fasting to "starve" the cancer cells and keep all the nutrition for myself? Or am I stirring up too many toxins by fasting? Someone told me that rebounding was probably a bad idea because it stirs them up however the books that came with my rebounder tell me it's what I should be doing. One book says to do 5 minutes on every waking hour.

I never realized there was such controversy. It makes me scared to do anything and then I find myself in denial and stuffing any fears down with SAD junk food which is one main thing keeping me from staying raw all the time. I'm admitting this because I would think doing something has to be better than that and I want to try. Sugar would have to be the bigger evil here.

i`m so sorry you`re dealing with this again. i am by no means whatsoever an expert on this...i was here weeks ago asking for help for my sister who has been battling cancer for 2 years now. sugar is a huuuuuuge evil as well as anything that the body easily converts to sugar. cancer feeds on sugar so i`ve been told. when my sis gets her tests done what she does is to stay off of all simple carbs and sugars for 24 hours and then she goes to the hospital and they make her drink this glucose mixture and put her through an mri. the cancer cells go crazy. they start scrambling around and are in a feeding frenzy and they can tell if she has an abundance of cells in her body. so staying off of simple sugar is great cancer is a nasty nasty disease...i hate it. i wish i had help for you and i`m sure someone will step up. check the archives for the post i made weeks back.
patty

I don't have a personal success story with cancer, but I found a woman in Washington state who cured herself of ovarian cancer that spread to the hip and breast. She had a full medical diagnosis with the appropriate scans etc., with full medical monitoring throughout her natural cure. I came across her on eBay where she was (is) selling Dr. Schulze products.

She cured herself completely primarily by using Dr. Schulze's Incurables Program, which involves fasting on fresh juices and broth and following a raw diet, among other things.

When she discovered she had cancer she weighed 80 pounds and was in excruciating pain. At the end of the first three months, during which she fasted on raw fresh juices, she had gained ~24 pounds, was pain-free and feeling wonderful. That's only a small part of her story.

I 'met' her last year when I was researching options for a friend with breast cancer. She kindly allowed me to record a phone conversation in which she told her story, and to share it with others. You are welcome to download it and listen for yourself. You can download it here:

[tinyurl.com]

The file will be available for a week.



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Dr. Schulze's program, and the one the Washington lady followed, was not JUST fasting on juices and broth. It also involved taking lots of herbs, hot and cold showers several times a day, extreme hot and cold baths, herbal suppositories that included garlic, and lots of exercise. It was a full time job and she had lots of help. It was not fun, it was very hard. But it worked.

When we spoke she emphasized her belief that the WHOLE program was necessary, not just change in diet.

I hope this helps.

There is info. at hacres.com and the guy that founded it had cancer and beat it.

I also don't have any experience with cancer or those that have it, and I'm sorry that you are fighting it.

I think that going 100% raw would be ideal, getting into a sauna daily also would be something I would do too. Wheatgrass is supposed to be excellent for us, green juices also. Fresh clean water, distilled preferably.

I wouldn't want to not eat and get weak, staying as strong as you can would be best. Maybe 1 day a week do a specific fast, like green juices, or water fasting.

Love,
Prism

Hi Rawforhealth,
I'm so sorry to hear about your difficulties. Don't despair, though: lots of people have healed themselves of cancer by alternately juice fasting and water fasting until completely clear. Alternatively, Dr. Bernard Jensen (you may have heard of him), who discovered he had late stage prostate cancer I think when he was in his '80s, healed himself completely on a carrot juice fast and lived many healthy years beyond that.

Sharrhan:


[www.facebook.com]

The way to get over cancer to to increase your health. Your health isn't increased by putting things in your body that you wouldn't put into your body if you were 100% healthy.

Read Raw Food Explained for ideas on how to increase your health. The website explains the habits and practice that you can incorporate into your everyday living to improve your health. As your health increase, the symptoms of cancer will disappear altogether.

But if you do this, you might feel worse at first. This is because as your body removes various toxins, you get to feel the pain of those toxins in your body. But if you are relentless and persistant, the detoxification will end and you will feel the best you've ever felt in your life.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll check out the links. This is the most encouragement and help I've found anywhere. Even curezone wasn't that helpful. Does anyone know of any specific juice fasting websites? I couldn't find too many active ones on Google.I always end up with more energy on a fast not weakness. Probably from detoxing SAD junk. I think I"m going to do it because there seems to be more evidence pointing towards juicing. Same with rebounding. I reread some of my book again and it's all detailed about the lymph system and how rebounding stimulates it. If I have swollen lymphs from there being a "blockage" that pionts to getting rid of it. The sauna is a good idea too. Hopefully I can find one. I don't want to have to pay like $50 a month for a special health club. I'll have to call around. For now I guess I have to sweat the old fashioned way.

I don't know about the Dr Schulze program. I'm sure it works but a lot of his products are like colon/kidney cleansing..lots of products out there and I've done that kind of cleansing before. I just never really did a lymph cleanse and I kept putting the junk back in my system. I'll look more into it though.

Does anyone happen to know how to find some specialist naturapath in the NewEngland area? I'm considering it just for the blood test or mineral analysis or whatever tests they do. I emailed 2 and once they read "cancer" they chickened out and told me to talk to my primary care doctor. If I talked to a primary care doctor they would probably have me evaluated by a psychiatrist for this "snake oil quackery". Oh well.



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what about just sitting in your bathroom and turning the hot water on full blast? or boiling a pot of water and putting a towel over your head and hanging your head over the pot of steam? it`s not whole body but maybe it`s better than nothing? this group is very supportive
patty

RawForHealth,

here are some IMO very important information about cancer and people who had cancer. Do not give up the fight... ever!!

Story of Dr.Day...
[drday.com]

All about C..
[cancertutor.com]

Info about vitamin B17...
[youtube.com]

Video "Food as Medicine"
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8841234327210711547

"May the Force be with You"

MH

hi rawforhealth

i appreciate your courage in dealing with a very stressful situation
i believe you are on the right track
i feel that cancer is caused by anything that keeps the cell out of integrity

and fasting gets rid of the toxins to restore cellular integrity

u said u didn't want any quacks to sell u supplements etc

your own immunity is not a "quack" and fasting is one of the best ways to incite your own internal non quack doctor to heal yourself

i know this sounds simplistic
and there is a lot more involved including your emotions, concerns, spirituality etc. and that is something that you are the expert on in your own life so just trust yourself that you will do your best to give yourself the best treatment in all areas.. have faith and most importantly

stay FOCUSED

VERY focused on TOTAL healing
don't listen to anyone unless they are in alignment with your belief that you will become TOTALLY healed

do all and everything you can in your power
to continue learning, doing and improving
you sound like you want to live

everything you do will be worth it

an opportunity for renewed life is calling you

TAKE IT

...I am so sorry you are dealing with this and glad you have encouragement from the posts here....you might want to check out Alisa Cohen's Raw site...I do believe it is alisacohen.com or you can google her..........she has a bed and breakfast and different raw programs at a place in Maine. Her bulletin board might offer more information too......Blessings...Deb

Hey since you guys were so great I wanted to ask your opinion or comments on any of this...

I had a short consult with a reputable expert. I had quite a few recommendations and I read some of his work. A lot of things said made sense but I'm a little disappointed, I felt I was mostly given diet advice. He was all for "vegan" but against raw and said it was bad for me because I am so congested. Something about having to lightly cook veggies to destroy the antibodies?? I didn't get that at all. Then said it was good if I blend fruit for breakfast as long as I mix with saliva of course. I've read that before. Have a main meal Lunch around 12pm and a light dinner of lightly cooked veggies and grains and some fat. What the..
He thinks my main problem is that I don't sleep around 10pm at night which means I'm low on melatonian and seratonian because of my messed up sleep schedule and the binge eating. I call myself a 'night person" just because I always get..calm and energetic at night and I like the dark/peace and quiet. But, I also like early morning.

He said my lymph system should lose the lymphedema and congestion in a short time if I changed my sleep and eating. I disagree. On my last fast, I hardly lost anything. The fast before that, I didn't start losing 1lb a day until week 3 when I lost all that puffiness mostly around my hips. Another person suggested that I might have "candida" which would explain not losing weight on The Master Cleanse. He did give the Ok to fast though as long as I keep my colon moving which is what I figured anyway. I just don't understand why it wasn't until after my last fast I started developing vericose veins. From what I read about rebounding and certain juices, I should be able to get rid of them pretty easy. I even talked to a certified reboundist who explained something to me which says I should do 5 mins on every hour to flush out the junk and cancer (if it's there, I'm sure there's some cells there)

Well, everything I'm reading still points to the obvious. Fast, keep colon clean and Rebound. So I'm going to do it. Hopefully start today.

<<I had a short consult with a reputable expert. I had quite a few recommendations and I read some of his work. A lot of things said made sense but I'm a little disappointed, I felt I was mostly given diet advice. He was all for "vegan" but against raw and said it was bad for me because I am so congested. Something about having to lightly cook veggies to destroy the antibodies?? >>

i have yet to meet an "expert" who will vouch for the raw food diet unless they do it themselves

otherwise, their "advice" is based on their OWN diet

i do like his advice on sleep though
because it can affect different chemical-hormone levels

and all things that help to boost your immunity

can be your ally

Hello RawForHealth:

Hope you are feeling all right. I wanted to let you know about a product that was recommended to me by my homeopath when I was diagnosed with breast cancer a few years ago, I think it is a really good product: [www.cellfood.com]. You just put it in water or juice and drink it a few times a day. He had me drinking about double the recommended amount at first, but I now use about 12 drops a day. I just buy it at my local health food store - it may be readily available to you as well, and if not, there are several places on the internet where you can order it. I live in Canada, and it costs about $42.00 CDN a bottle here.

Secondly, I would like to ask you to consider doing something. Would you be willing to start a thread on the diary section here, and just post how this all works for you - the juice fasting, the challenges, the results, both physically and emotionally. You might find this very helpful later, to look back on your own experiences, and you will gain a great support group to help you stay motivated here on this forum.

Good luck and best wishes,
Sapphire

Hi RawForHealth,

Sweating is good for health. I would reccomend a sitz bath explained on page 5 of the testinmonials page on the Barefoot Herbalist's website.
[barefootherbalistmh.com]

I organized these pages of testimonials myself from his curezone forum. It's good stuff. The sitz bath is designed to get you sweating first, then to direct the waste down and out. I think someone asked what to do for cancer somwehere on those pages. Check it out.

Don't worry about diet too much. You will find what works for you! Always know that you can increase your level of rawness up to juice and then water fasting to save your life. Never fear! The body is designed to heal and regenerate.

Blessings,
Jen

Go RawForHealth! (Pun intended)

You're doing the right thing. But every time you dispair and go for junk, see if it helps picture in your mind exactly what will happen in your body if it goes down your gullet: the cancer will feast happily and gain momentum. When you're eating raw vegan foods, watch the cancer starve and whither away. And watch the exercise (getting oxygen into the cells) make your body more inhospitable toward it as well.

Now about sleep: Are you getting enough? Sorry to sound like a Jewish mom, but you need it. The growth hormone that is excreted during stage 3 and 4 of sleep is what repairs the body. Without it, we age faster and our bodies fall apart. The fact that sleep is harder to come by as we get older doesn't mean we need less. It's best to have a set schedule, but if you don't want to give up either the late nights or the early mornings, alternate by enjoying two weeks of one and two weeks of the other. [To learn to take sleep more seriously, you can read _The Promise of Sleep_ by William C. Dement MD PhD (the foremost expert on sleep).]

It's true what la_veronique said about even the top health experts. If they aren't raw, they don't tend to advocate it because they aren't educated about it. Even health professionals who do have a clue have to be careful because they become liable when they espouse anything that doesn't have a large body of scientifically researched evidence around it, which of course, there's no funding for in the raw arena. So outside of two or three published studies, we have to rely on the anecdotal (which shouldn't be knocked, because that's what's gotten us raw foodies where we are today).

Unlike raw food, however, visualization is scientifically proven to combat cancer. So remember to imagine the scenario above every time you eat a healthy meal or snack. And remember to get enough stage 3 and 4 sleep.

May the healing force of nutrition keep you motivated, not just to keep living, but to truly thrive.

Cheers,
Betty

There is a cool fasting website called freedomyou.com and it has tons of info. on there, and they even have books, one is a fasting book. They also have a forum where you can ask questions and get answers.

Love,
Prism

Hi RawForHealth,

Have you considered turmeric?

Don't have experience with cancer, but reading up on it, it seems that it might just help.

All the best,

snoekie