I saw this quote though it was listed as Unknown author and I liked the last ten words the best. This is my raw breakfast: a contemplation of this .

The great teachings unanimously emphasize that all the peace, wisdom, and joy in the universe are already within us; we don't have to gain, develop, or attain them. We're like a child standing in a beautiful park with his eyes shut tight. We don't need to imagine trees, flowers, deer, birds, and sky; we merely need to open our eyes and realize what is already here, who we really are -- as soon as we quit pretending we're small or unholy.

I think it means we don't need anyone or anything to make us truly Happy. We're self-contained, spreading our Light to all who have an eye to see.....WY

I generally agree with WY.

Vinny



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la_veronique Wrote:
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> The great teachings unanimously emphasize that
> all the peace, wisdom, and joy in the universe are
> already within us; we don't have to gain, develop,
> or attain them.

I agree with the first part, however in order for most people to experience the highest feelings and perceptions, I think that they DO have to "gain, develop, or attain them." This is what the cleansing of the temple of the soul and of the doors of perception is all about – to reveal that which is already within.



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well... i guess everything else that is noble is acquired through effort
so grandness and holiness ought to be as well

My experience is that peace, joy and wisdom come more from letting go rather than doing something. This is described in various spiritual texts. In the Hsin Hsin Ming, there is a line that goes something like "quit thinking and your problems will go away".

Bryan Wrote:
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> My experience is that peace, joy and wisdom come
> more from letting go rather than doing something.

IMO, the ability to let go is dependent on the right mindset, which is dependent on the right brain chemistry, which is dependent on the right body chemistry, which (for most people) is dependent on the right food chemistry.

Therefore, most people must DO something (choose the correct food) in order to have the right food chemistry, body chemistry, brain chemistry, mindset, and overall vitality required for the ability to let go.

Bryan it is so good to see you here again
I also agree with your sentiment. I think that as LaV's quote implies, we are already "in heaven" we just have to stop thinking that we're not. It is a process of letting go.

Lightform Wrote:
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> I think that as
> LaV's quote implies, we are already "in heaven" we
> just have to stop thinking that we're not. It is a
> process of letting go.

Do you think a person undergoing radiation treatment for cancer is in Heaven if they simply stop thinking and let go?

Do you think that the mind's "Heaven on Earth" is separate from the body's "Heaven on Earth"?



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Interesting musings, Lightform; good, good questions, Omega. I don't have unequivocal answers for myself yet; still open and asking, seeking the ultimate understanding. I'd love to believe that we are always 'in heaven' mentally and physically if we let go and simply become conscious of a perfect reality. I hestiate to share my consclusions; it's still an ongoing experiment that will occupy the rest of my life. ;-)

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Omega Wrote:
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> Do you think a person undergoing radiation
> treatment for cancer is in Heaven if they simply
> stop thinking and let go?
>
> Do you think that the mind's "Heaven on Earth" is
> separate from the body's "Heaven on Earth"?

Omega.
What do you want here. Are you asking this because you are curious... or offended ? Maybe you should tell me your own answers to these questions ? I'll tell you what I think if you want me to, but I think that what you think is more important.

there is a quote that says

one does not have to be happy in order to take action

but there is no happiness without action .. or something to that effect

i agree

there is a certain amount of action that must take place like omega pointed out

then.. within a correct and proper context, the act of " lose your mind and come to your senses"

will be efficacious

my two point seven cents

everyone is right

>Do you think a person undergoing radiation treatment for cancer is in Heaven if they simply stop thinking and let go?

Do you think that the mind's "Heaven on Earth" is separate from the body's "Heaven on Earth"?<

I see this as a genuine and important question. One that's hard to answer, but needs to be answered and not glossed over.

Kwan I am not glossing over the question. Sometimes the best way to answer something can be to allow a person the space to find the answer they are looking for. I have my own answer which is very real to me, but won't be real for many others. It is a culmination of many years of personal introspection and asking myself some real tricky questions.

I can give a one line answer to such a question which will convey my own conclusions about such a thing, but won't provide any of the necessary background in which to give it context. So how does one give the real answer ? I spell out my perspectives on this board with as much clarity as I possibly can because I care about the people on here, and because everyone here all have prety open minds compared with most other people around.

So for the sake of a new angle to the same theme...
I believe that an understanding for such a thing exists within the broader picture in which it is part, meaning that the events which form our lives are integral to that which we are being. Therefor when we are experiencing something from a place in which it is a problem, it can literally have no ready solution.

I think that it is only when we rise above the position from which we are experiencing it as such, that the provision for its resolution or change of state can be understood and embodied. So while the perspective centers on how bad something is such as the natural tendency toward radiation treatment for example, my answer is that our very focus is preventing the act of letting go.

Can we hold on, AND let go at the same time ? IMO this is the paradox of our nature. The ebb and flow of infinity into creation or definition and back again, while always existing as a whole. If someone believes pain is real, how can another tell them that it is not ?



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I agree with Bryan and Lightform that the key to Heaven consciousness is letting go.

I also believe that in order for that experience to be perpetual, the physical body must be cleansed (and kept clean); unless one is a breatharian, that requires a certain amount of action.

Thanks kwan and LaV for your comments.

Sorry Lightform if I came off as confrontational.



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>I also believe that in order for that experience to be perpetual, the physical body must be cleansed (and kept clean); unless one is a breatharian, that requires a certain amount of action.<

Yes. I believe most disease is mainly a case of internal toxicity.

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bottom line

we are all grand and holy

Heh LaV
Case closed !

>>>>OM<<<<

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okay.. here is the finallll verdict

we are ALL

GRAND
and
HOLY

and please
drink your greeeenzzz!!

We are not all unique and beautiful snowflakes.
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Interesting... to me it shows just the opposite arugula.

You could look at the whole human race and say that we are all the same because we have two arms, legs and eyes etc. You could say that all birds are the same. Heck, you could call all mammals the same depending on how far you wish to extend the generalisation, and what criteria you hold to determine uniqueness.

Is your cup half full ?

I agree with LaV that we are ALL GRAND and HOLY. Yes indeed!

Most of us though (especially me) still need a lot of practice to act like it.





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To me it shows a hive mentality, even when one is deliberately seeking to be different.

I guess we could pick out any trait that we perceive to be imperfect, and say here is evidence that "we" (humans? and other animals/plants/rocks?) aren't all Grand and Holy.

But doesn't it depend on what we think "Grand and Holy" means?

Maybe we each have our own definition of "Grand and Holy". Mine is: the potential to learn/adjust/practice/change/evolve that's inherent in all of life.

I can't perceive of anything more Grand and Holy than the gift of life. Blessed be!

Or Whatever.

I agree wth suncloud. Humanity has ENORMOUS potential to become much, much more than we are today.

However, for the human machine to function as it was originally intended, it must be fed "original fuel."

And is original fuel raw foods?

I think nitromethane.