I wonder why banana who (and Kwan) don't just jump in to various posts that they have opinions on and we can discuss the issue, like we used to. I always enjoyed banana who because of her sense of humor and her tolerance for others viewpoints without getting emotional and taking the opinion personally, and because she had one foot on one side and one on another (actually there seems to be many sides - Liberal, Republican, Conservative and Libertarian) and we agreed on some issues - like war, Health Freedom from the Government, and other stuff. We did disagree on Social issues and I guess that is what Kwan and banana who are referring to with their call for censorship.

Bryan has discretion to delete any posts he doesn't like or that he thinks is getting out of hand, and he does do that, so I would think that would be sufficient and the board has been going along quite smoothly, I think, until yesterday when Kwan took offense. I could choose to take offense when people on here talk about and make fun of and denigrate 'rednecks' or 'hicks' because that's what I am, but I don't think that's a reason to shut down the whole board. And I could take offense when someone takes a shot at 'extreme right-wing' and 'libertarians', but I'd rather talk about it or defend myself for my position than try to shut down the board.

It feels like the police or authorities are being called in to the board to shut down all dissent, and that goes against what we Ron Paul/Libertarians believe in.

And it sounds like - from Kwan's quote - that 'right-wing' and 'libertarian' opinions are not to be tolerated, but 'left-wing' or 'liberal' opinions are.

Who is to Judge what is the one and only official stance on the Cultural issues of the day?

************

Here is Kwan's quote again - where she denounced the 'Libertarian' 'extreme right-wing' opinion as 'BAD', and proceeded to state the 'Liberal' opinion as "GOOD".
Isn't there room for all beliefs and opinions in the Raw Food Movement? Does the Raw Food Movement have a Platform which states their official position on various cultural issues. (We were just discussing that in a post here not too long ago)

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Kwan Calls for Intervention and Censorship of Views that are Opposed to Hers -

<<<PRANA, why don't you ban this kind of trype from the forum? It's ugly and demeaning, and not based in 'the real world,' where the corporations are not hiring, and the few that ARE hiring do not pay anything close to a living wage. These libertarian low information sheep who hold sway on the forum are going by the ALEC/Koch Brothers playbook, promoting the propaganda and lies of FOX Fake News and the politicians (Republican AND Democrat) who are doing the bidding of Wall Street and the corporate elite.
The hatred and vitriol toward the poor, disabled, elderly and others who are having a tough time thriving in the present reality of government sanctioned serfdom and economic slavery is a disheartening testimony to the culture of small-minds that seem to be disproportionally prevalent in the raw food community.
Good luck, folks. It's clear to me that the raw food movement is on its way out, fading into nutjob obscurity. And the fact that the rawfoods.com 'off topic' forum has been taken over completely by extreme right wingers isn't helping the movement to attract intelligent, thoughtful people in search of the truth.>>>

Boo!



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Kid Raw, thanks for those nice comments. My concern was that I feel that your highlighting welfare "cheats" or whatever you would call them is shaming those who do receive those benefits. Some of them are lurking, I am sure.

We only have so much time and energy to devote to certain topics and I would rather hear about your farming adventures or other homesteading nuggets than who is committing a hate crime or cheating tax payers. I get that it happens but I am way more concerned about corporate cheats than individuals.

OK, I get it - you don't like it when I criticize the concept of 'cheating' on Welfare, playing the system, etc. because you feel that it is casting a negative light on those who truly need welfare, and that there may be some Welfare recipients who are lurking on this forum.

hmmmm.....I don't think anybody much is lurking, let alone those on Welfare.

And I think that Enabling the Waste, Fraud, Inefficiency and Abuse of the Welfare System in the name of Political Correctness (or shall we call it Sensitivity), is not the way to run a successful economy and preserve America.

And if you go back to some of my posts, including the last one that Kwan got upset about, you'll see that I said I think The Elderly, Disabled and others who truly need Welfare should get it. Think of all the money that could be used for good if the Welfare System was sorted out properly. If the whole Government was sorted out and run efficiently. It's become this big monster - the Welfare and the Warfare State.

Glad you came over to discuss this. I know Kwan knows people who are receiving welfare and that's why she's sensitive, but I would think she'd be even more interested in preserving the Welfare State by getting rid of the graft.

Whatever happened to not reading threads that don't interest you? How hard is that? For example, I don't read anything written by non-vegans on the vegan board. If I want advice about veganism, I'll go to vegans. Another thing, we live in a harsh world. What goes on here is nothing. In many respects I've come to see it as an expression of not just protest but also pain. What about some compassion? You can't make everything disappear that you don't like. If you want "warm and fuzzy" threads, there's plenty of cyber-space for everyone. These outbursts are pretty unnecessary when you think about it.



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Yes, the world is harsh. I am not afraid of "negativity." I don't need warm-n-fuzzies 24/7. But I get it. In "Games People Play" there is one called "Ain't it Awful?" And after we have defined that yeah, there is suckage out that, then what? I am having troubling navigating between venting and wallowing.

I am over drama. When you talk about outbursts, I am not thinking you are referring to me because I have tried to keep my current posts drama-free. I was just hoping to make this board more of a refuge.

But you never read me demand one bit of censorship. I just want to know if something larger is going on behind the scenes.

A refuge from what? If you're looking for vegans and raw vegans who are not opinionated and who don't protest or think about the state of world affairs, I think that you're out of luck. Every other forum on this board seems to be what you want it to be, yet it's you who insists on bringing this forum over to the raw vegan forum.

I would recommend Buddhist and/or meditation forums as refuges. I frequent the latter all the time. Also, Asperger's forums are very free of what you're hoping to avoid. I'm not kidding.

Kwan's accusations are unfounded. By the way, who is Kwan besides this person who pops her head in once every month to tell me and a few others how detestable we are? It's pretty amusing.

KidRaw Wrote:
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> I wonder why banana who (and Kwan) don't just jump
> in to various posts that they have opinions on and
> we can discuss the issue, like we used to. I
> always enjoyed banana who because of her sense of
> humor and her tolerance for others viewpoints
> without getting emotional and taking the opinion
> personally, and because she had one foot on one
> side and one on another (actually there seems to
> be many sides - Liberal, Republican, Conservative
> and Libertarian) and we agreed on some issues -
> like war, Health Freedom from the Government, and
> other stuff. We did disagree on Social issues and
> I guess that is what Kwan and banana who are
> referring to with their call for censorship.
>
> Bryan has discretion to delete any posts he
> doesn't like or that he thinks is getting out of
> hand, and he does do that, so I would think that
> would be sufficient and the board has been going
> along quite smoothly, I think, until yesterday
> when Kwan took offense. I could choose to take
> offense when people on here talk about and make
> fun of and denigrate 'rednecks' or 'hicks' because
> that's what I am, but I don't think that's a
> reason to shut down the whole board. And I could
> take offense when someone takes a shot at 'extreme
> right-wing' and 'libertarians', but I'd rather
> talk about it or defend myself for my position
> than try to shut down the board.
>
> It feels like the police or authorities are being
> called in to the board to shut down all dissent,
> and that goes against what we Ron
> Paul/Libertarians believe in.
>
> And it sounds like - from Kwan's quote - that
> 'right-wing' and 'libertarian' opinions are not to
> be tolerated, but 'left-wing' or 'liberal'
> opinions are.
>
> Who is to Judge what is the one and only official
> stance on the Cultural issues of the day?
>
> ************
>
> Here is Kwan's quote again - where she denounced
> the 'Libertarian' 'extreme right-wing' opinion as
> 'BAD', and proceeded to state the 'Liberal'
> opinion as "GOOD".
> Isn't there room for all beliefs and opinions in
> the Raw Food Movement? Does the Raw Food Movement
> have a Platform which states their official
> position on various cultural issues. (We were just
> discussing that in a post here not too long ago)
>
> *************
>
> Kwan Calls for Intervention and Censorship of
> Views that are Opposed to Hers -
>
> <<>>

HH Wrote:
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> A refuge from what? If you're looking for vegans
> and raw vegans who are not opinionated and who
> don't protest or think about the state of world
> affairs, I think that you're out of luck. Every
> other forum on this board seems to be what you
> want it to be, yet it's you who insists on
> bringing this forum over to the raw vegan forum.
>
> I would recommend Buddhist and/or meditation
> forums as refuges. I frequent the latter all the
> time. Also, Asperger's forums are very free of
> what you're hoping to avoid. I'm not kidding.

Asperger's forums? Why do you know about the content of their forums? I am not a Trekkie or play Dungeons and Dragons and I've never seen a single episode of "Doctor Who" so I don't think I'd fit in there...

I am curious what is accomplished by bitching about these issues on here. I mean, after we have laid out how effed-up, unfair, sketchy and throw in your favorite euphemism of the utter shite that can and does happen in this world, now what? Does it really make anyone feel better to post stories and kvetch about it?

No, every other forum is NOT what I want it to be. I actually don't need this board to be anything. Did you read my OP? I mentioned that even the main forum is all about "no, veggies aren't really good for you" or "oxalic acid makes all those veggies not good," etc. The constant debate is just tedious and not inspiring but I don't "need" anyone to conform to what I am looking for. I just wonder if there is more going on. For instance, if some larger entity leaning towards libertarianism is calling the shots or what?

I shouldn't have written 'refuge' because I knew that word would get brought up and it isn't really true. I find people who are afraid of anything but puppy dog tails and lollypops to be in denial of reality but that is not the point. The point is that this site is becoming increasing irrelevant to me. And yes, I realize that I am speaking for myself only and that maybe you find it helpful in some way. Good.

Nice stereotyping of Asperger's people. They often have interesting things to say. That's how I know about them.

Where you see "bitching" on this board I see sharing of information.

There's no behind-the-scenes conspiracy. Wish I knew how to conjure that eye-roll emoticon.

I am sorry about linking Aspies with Doctor Who and I hope Prana will erase it if he hasn't been cloned by the libertarians yet or traded meat suits with an Arcturian.

Are you an Aspie? I just didn't get why you recommended that board to me. I thought you were "accusing" me of being an Aspie.

The way to type in the snarky eye roll is to do an 8, then a hyphen, then right parenthesis.

I suspect that the health nut world is filled people who have at least a little Asperger's in them.



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HH Wrote:
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> I suspect that health nut world is filled people
> who have at least a little Asperger's in them.


I don't like labels. I think syndromes and disorders are extremely limiting, even when people have some of those characteristics.

Actually, I think many raw fooders actually exhibit OCD tendencies.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2013 01:15AM by banana who.

Most people have a cross-section of symptoms that come from a variety of disorders. Labelling them is just a way to create a framework for treatment. The diet world does have a lot of people with psychological issues. I don't mean that as an insult either. I'm far from perfect. All I mean is that it's natural that dietary health would attract people who are looking for a cure for something.

banana who Wrote:
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> HH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I suspect that health nut world is filled
> people
> > who have at least a little Asperger's in them.
>
>
> I don't like labels. I think syndromes and
> disorders are extremely limiting, even when people
> have some of those characteristics.
>
> Actually, I think many raw fooders actually
> exhibit OCD tendencies.

Meantime, that whole thread of mine that banana who and Kwan complained about has been deleted. Success.

Try finding a better source on the same topic.

Can someone explain to me how to add a pic to my signature like I'm 5?

Sure.

Go to Control Center.

Click on - Edit Signature.

Are you getting a photo from "My Pictures" or have you uploaded one to a photo sharing site that you want to use?

When you post the URL of the photo, be sure to put (img) in front of it and (/img) after it.

I forgot - so then you click "Submit". Then later when you post a reply, you click on "Add my signature to this message" and it shows the photo. Later you can always change your signature when you want to get rid of the photo. Works for me



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2013 02:57PM by KidRaw.

Let me try this.

I guess Banana Who doesn't appreciate my attempt to bring more of the warm and fuzzy to the board as she requested. Some people are never satisfied.

HH Wrote:
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> I guess Banana Who doesn't appreciate my attempt
> to bring more of the warm and fuzzy to the board
> as she requested. Some people are never satisfied.
>


What are you on about now?

I've got a Chromebook so it's probably a different process but I have an even better one now:

<img src="[images.wikia.com]; alt="Kittens_&amp;_Unicorns.jpg (999×749)"/>

Testing, testing...

Ugh!

This forum used to be about everything BUT politics. It was rare to read a single thread with a negative slant, it was all interesting positive chatty stuff. Lighthearted? Yes! And that was exactly it's appeal.
I still check to see if there's anything new in quotes, book and movies reviews and the like but it's mostly if not ALL the same old depressing junk that's on the news (that I also don't read or watch). That stuff is all over the internet already, this forum used to be a place to get away from all that. I don't read those threads but they've become so prolific as to squeeze anything else out.

You mean like this "lighthearted" thread you started on gaslighting? [www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Plenty of cyber-space for everyone. There's absolutely no reason why you can't start threads on topics that you enjoy while totally ignoring those you don't. There are a lot of different people in the world. Great thing about the internet is that there's room for all of us.

coco Wrote:
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> This forum used to be about everything BUT
> politics. It was rare to read a single thread with
> a negative slant, it was all interesting positive
> chatty stuff. Lighthearted? Yes! And that was
> exactly it's appeal.
> I still check to see if there's anything new in
> quotes, book and movies reviews and the like but
> it's mostly if not ALL the same old depressing
> junk that's on the news (that I also don't read or
> watch). That stuff is all over the internet
> already, this forum used to be a place to get away
> from all that. I don't read those threads but
> they've become so prolific as to squeeze anything
> else out.



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coco Wrote:
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> This forum used to be about everything BUT
> politics. It was rare to read a single thread with
> a negative slant, it was all interesting positive
> chatty stuff. Lighthearted? Yes! And that was
> exactly it's appeal.
> I still check to see if there's anything new in
> quotes, book and movies reviews and the like but
> it's mostly if not ALL the same old depressing
> junk that's on the news (that I also don't read or
> watch). That stuff is all over the internet
> already, this forum used to be a place to get away
> from all that. I don't read those threads but
> they've become so prolific as to squeeze anything
> else out.

Maybe we can petition Prana to start a new forum that bans all news stories? I guess I have to agree. I am not burying my head in the sand. I read the news. I just don't need to rehash it and I am not much on debating anymore.