la_veronique Wrote:
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> i got chlorella from mountain rose herbs
>
> all their stuff is supposed to be organic
>
>
>
> does anyone have more indepth info on it other
> than its "organic"
>
You have to be careful these days.
Mountain Rose Herb's chlorella is from Japan. Enough said.

suez

<<Mountain Rose Herb's chlorella is from Japan. Enough said.>>

oh yeah, that little detail
suddenly i feel like going for a hike...

I was reading the basic published study on calcium and copper, and it looks like it might help with lowering copper levels, but lets not forget that it is only early days and not too much can be concluded as yet. For eg, the studies were done on animals, but the question is, if this does apply to humans, how much extra calcium in the diet do we need to lower the copper levels? Also...getting high levels of calcium in the vegan diet is not so easy. I have read studies saying that vegans are often low in calcium.

If we can sprout sesame and poppy seeds it will certainly help, and if this new algae that Storm talks about is safe, then this is a really powerful find and contribution to the vegan diet because of the hyper-calcium and zinc levels.

-----
Slightly off topic below.


Something amazing about homocysteine....looks like B12, B6 and other known factors may not always play a role in lowering levels

Here is something highly interesting. As some of us know, vegans have notoriously high homeocysteine levels which puts us at higher risk of certain cardivascular disease than meat eaters and hence undoes part of the good effects of a the vegan diet for cardio health. We now know that B12 is the major thing for lowering these levels and decreasing our risk. BUT....what scientists have also found is that vegans who never supplemented any B12 also were able to significantly lower homocysteine levels, and it looks like stress management and spiritual practise could play a significant role too. WOW.

I'll start a thread about this another day, but for now, here is the study which talks about the above point.

Vegan diet-based lifestyle program rapidly lowers homocysteine levels

DeRose DJ, Charles-Marcel ZL, Jamison JM, Muscat JE, Braman MA, McLane GD, Keith Mullen J
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

www.thesproutarian.com

powerlifter Wrote:
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> There is enough data there above to show thats its
> not inconsistent random batches, the majority of
> AFA has shown to contain these toxins and despite
> the manufacturers claiming to test there product,
> the studies above are showing that they often
> exceed the recommended levels for these toxins.
>
> Again i don't see any significant reason to
> consume any amount of these microcystins and other
> toxins, the risks outweigh the benefits here in my
> opinion, when you can easily obtain the nutrients
> contained in AFA from other safer natural food
> sources.
>
> No level of these toxins are good for us. Its the
> Klamath Lake in particular which is toxic.


I've been reading the studies and l am most disappointed with what l have read. I am preparing a careful letter that l will be sending to Kulvinskas, Mr/Mrs Clement and a few other HHI insiders to make sure it gets back to Dr Brian.

Why is Dr Clement allowing the AFA to be used, and why is Kulvinskas promoting it? Hmmmm. Surely Dr Brian wouldn't risk his reputation on promoting it if it was dangerous, but the studies show it is risky and some people do get sick. Why isn't Dr Brian promoting spirulina instead?

I don't want to go back to spirulina, but it is looking like l might have too. I loved my E3 live, but l will not continue to promote it if there is too much risk. I'll do some more study, speak to some people and will report back another time.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2014 09:06AM by The Sproutarian Man.

One way to know is to find out if people who have been consuming products from the lake are having issues in the long run. so far it seems the Brian Clements of the world are doing very well.

HH Wrote:
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> I was thinking the same thing. That house of his
> is so beautiful. Would love to spend some time in
> that part of the country and learn some carpentry
> and kelp harvesting.
>
> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HH, I agree. When I was young I probably would
> > have signed up for an apprenticeship with him.


He is taking applications for apprentices now. According to a newsletter I got from him last week the apprentices would be doing things like turning wood bowls, turning parts for Windsor chairs, etc. If the apprentices want money, in addition to the free room and board and guidance, they can help out with the seaweed harvest and be paid $10 an hour for that. I think he is looking for people willing to make a year commitment.

I am trying hard to give Mike Adams the benefit of the doubt but articles patting himself on the back for his own budding endeavors seem way premature to me.

[www.naturalnews.com]

Furthermore, isn't the real burning question that you'd think someone with a new million dollar lab would home in on is the question of analogue vitamin B12 vs bioavailable B 12?

I'm disappointed, too, in his latest cocoa powder analysis. Amongst other aspects that have more than a bit of a smell to them, would it have been so hard to have also tested his own store's cocoa powder and shown a side by side comparison?

I am going to continue my subscription and be watching until I have satisfied the question in my mind whether he is just another puffed up goof or is a serious person trying to get to the truth. I wish I could be more optimistic at this point. Maybe he'll snap out of it and get on track. I hate to watch train wrecks.

SueZ Wrote:
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> I am trying hard to give Mike Adams the benefit of
> the doubt but articles patting himself on the back
> for his own budding endeavors seem way premature
> to me.
>
>
> [www.naturalnews.com]
> akthroughs_feedback_testimonials.html
>
> Furthermore, isn't the real burning question
> that you'd think someone with a new million dollar
> lab would home in on is the question of analogue
> vitamin B12 vs bioavailable B 12?
>
> I'm disappointed, too, in his latest cocoa
> powder analysis. Amongst other aspects that have
> more than a bit of a smell to them, would it have
> been so hard to have also tested his own store's
> cocoa powder and shown a side by side comparison?
>
> I am going to continue my subscription and be
> watching until I have satisfied the question in my
> mind whether he is just another puffed up goof or
> is a serious person trying to get to the truth. I
> wish I could be more optimistic at this point.
> Maybe he'll snap out of it and get on track. I
> hate to watch train wrecks.


He's not really patting himself on the back, it's more like he's trying to make it known to people who may be doubtful or skeptical that he has tons of positive testimonials. Not sure what you're referring to about the B12. I believe many of his products are tested, for example their chlorella: [store.naturalnews.com]

jtprindl Wrote:
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>
> He's not really patting himself on the back, it's
> more like he's trying to make it known to people
> who may be doubtful or skeptical that he has tons
> of positive testimonials.

BS and fans applause mean nothing. NOTHING.


Not sure what you're
> referring to about the B12.

There are many B12 analogues that humans can't assimilate. Some are thought to actually interfere with assimilating true bioavailable B12. This is a very big deal for raw vegans and much more serious work needs to be done. Like this...
[www.jstage.jst.go.jp]




I believe many of his
> products are tested, for example their chlorella:
> [store.naturalnews.com]
> -Tablets-10oz-283g-1415-tablets_p_262.html


You are missing my point. And his chlorella may be clean according to whatever he tested for in his lab but have you ever tried them and compared the taste to others? I have and they are so so on the swamp water taste test. I have tasted truly clean tasting chlorella so can tell the difference.

I don't taste any of my chlorella, I swallow tablets with water. And yes I know about B12 but why did you randomly bring that up in regards to Mike Adams? Don't know why you're so upset over him posting testimonials, it's his website and he can post whatever he wants to, especially when it's about himself or his website. In no way does that discredit the Natural News Lab.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2014 04:13PM by jtprindl.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> This is why i take Mike Adams with a pinch of
> salt, there is always something he's selling which
> is the alternative such as his clean chlorella
> brand.
>
> There is plenty of perfectly fine organic
> chlorella out there on the market and yes even
> sourced from Asia. Plus the whole ayda clarity
> fiasco was just a sham, even the fda found there
> was nothing wrong used in the correct doses for
> its purposes of water purification.
>
> All unrefined mineral sources contain trace
> elements such as the toxic metals aluminium. There
> is no getting around this, which is why most
> natural mineral supplements are not recommended
> because they are to an extent also toxic, if he
> tested the bentonite clay that he sells he would
> have found that it contains even more aluminium
> than ayda clarity does typically.
>
> It was nothing more than a smear campaign on the
> product and one which i thought possibly had
> potential for people needing clean water such as
> in third world countries. Although much more
> research would have been needed in order to
> recommend, im sure its FDA approved for its water
> purification use although id need to re-check
> that.
>
> Which is why i will find it hard to take what hes
> saying as correct about any other brands hes
> testing. I hope he can prove me wrong and regain
> my confidence, i like the health articles
> orientated aspect of natural news, but not all the
> new age stuff which i find whacky at times.
>


So then I assume you also take every single product you currently use with a 'pinch of salt' too? I mean, there are alternatives to all of those products. If any new company (legitimate, organic, raw, etc.) comes out with a supplement that's already on the market, are they also questionable?



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> I don't taste any of my chlorella, I swallow
> tablets with water.

Don't you want to know how your food tastes? We have been given wonderful tools to help us discern. Why ignore and bypass these gifts?



And yes I know about B12 but
> why did you randomly bring that up in regards to
> Mike Adams? Don't know why you're so upset over
> him posting testimonials, it's his website and he
> can post whatever he wants to, especially when
> it's about himself or his website. In no way does
> that discredit the Natural News Lab.

How often do you see serious hard core truth seekers make such announcements as Mike Adams has one day and the next day list testimonials on just how wonderful people think they are? Never, in the real world. Sure anyone can do and say whatever they wants on their own website but what they choose to focus on and what they choose to ignore is not insignificant. Nor is it going random to point out things that reflect on character and I'm not shy about doing so. That post was a major red flag for me.

Mike Adams is part of the Controlled Opposition and they will tell you 100 facts that are true just to get you to believe the one lie that is crucial to them, so BEWARE!!!

As far as B12 Analogues, all of this started with Victor Herbert, so once again, BEWARE!!!

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't taste any of my chlorella, I swallow
> > tablets with water.
>
> Don't you want to know how your food tastes? We
> have been given wonderful tools to help us
> discern. Why ignore and bypass these gifts?
>
>
>
> And yes I know about B12 but
> > why did you randomly bring that up in regards
> to
> > Mike Adams? Don't know why you're so upset over
> > him posting testimonials, it's his website and
> he
> > can post whatever he wants to, especially when
> > it's about himself or his website. In no way
> does
> > that discredit the Natural News Lab.
>
> How often do you see serious hard core truth
> seekers make such announcements as Mike Adams has
> one day and the next day list testimonials on just
> how wonderful people think they are? Never, in the
> real world. Sure anyone can do and say whatever
> they wants on their own website but what they
> choose to focus on and what they choose to ignore
> is not insignificant. Nor is it going random to
> point out things that reflect on character and I'm
> not shy about doing so. That post was a major red
> flag for me.


It's clear what he chooses to focus on, take a look at the articles on the website. They're mainly about health, nutrition, cures, environmental issues, and exposing fraudulent people/corporations. One post about what people have been saying about the release of the Natural News Lab and videos all of the sudden turns him into someone with bad character? Again, what did B12 have to do with Mike Adams.. where did that come from?

John Rose Wrote:
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> Mike Adams is part of the Controlled Opposition
> and they will tell you 100 facts that are true
> just to get you to believe the one lie that is
> crucial to them, so BEWARE!!!
>
> As far as B12 Analogues, all of this started with
> Victor Herbert, so once again, BEWARE!!!


Right, and what is this one lie?

John Rose Wrote:
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> Mike Adams is part of the Controlled Opposition
> and they will tell you 100 facts that are true
> just to get you to believe the one lie that is
> crucial to them, so BEWARE!!!
>
> As far as B12 Analogues, all of this started with
> Victor Herbert, so once again, BEWARE!!!


John, I saw a post from Mike the other day that I think you would dig about how there is this cabal going around making us all out to be robotic, empty machines with no soul and touting science in the face of all we know about spirituality but also our health. I can't find it now but it was great. Yeah, sometimes he'll say things that set off alarm bells but then he hits it out of the park, too.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So then I assume you also take every single
> > product you currently use with a 'pinch of
> salt'
> > too? I mean, there are alternatives to all of
> > those products. If any new company (legitimate,
> > organic, raw, etc.) comes out with a supplement
> > that's already on the market, are they also
> > questionable?
>
> Every supplement is questionable and should always
> be researched in depth, especially if its
> something fairly new to the market. Many of these
> new supplements often have little to no studies
> behind there benefits or long term safety in
> regards to human consumption, such as in the case
> of AFA Klamath Lake Algae.
>
> They are often hyped by people, supplement
> manufacturers and raw food promoters who haven't
> done the sufficient research on these various
> botanicals and foods to evaluate there safety.
>
> Overall i appreciate the work Mike Adams is doing
> and i enjoy the health articles on his site. Not
> into the conspiracy stuff at all however. The same
> goes for Dr Mercola, whilst i don't agree with
> everything he says, hes a solid and mostly
> evidence based source of information.
>


What conspiracy stuff are you referring to?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:10AM by Prana.

The fact of the matter is that when you have someone like Mike Adams, who runs a website addressing important controversial matters, there are always going to be people who dislike him and will conjure up any bogus claims or insult him thinking that discredits him in any way. If he wrote an article in the past that wasn't 100% true... oh well, people make mistakes. Being wrong every once in a while doesn't prove he's illegitimate, it proves he's human.

SueZ said - Don't you want to know how your food tastes? We have been given wonderful tools to help us discern. Why ignore and bypass these gifts?

YES YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES.

millions of years of evolution - wasted on humans too smart for themselves.

cuz sometimes u just don't want to taste something
you just want it to go into your bloodstream
and do the work

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Many of these raw guru's promote things that
> aren't sound in my opinion.

Yes, it was really bothering me last night. We have Dr Coisens, Dr Jubb and Dr Clement all promoting E3 live, but none are talking about the studies showing the ugly side of the algae. Why???

And then we have Dr Jubb who is probably the most researched natural health man in history, yet he is full of contradictions in his theories. For eg, he talks about avoiding foods high in tannins, yet he promotes foods high in tannins. He also promotes `life food', yet it is not practical for many because they are only able to get fruit which is not fresh. He also says that we must eat foods with 5 parts calcium to 2 parts phosphorous, yet very few foods in nature are like this, and the diet he promotes contracts his advice in this regard. I could go on and on about this.





>
> The problem again is with the qualty of the
> Klamath Lake and microcystins, anatoxins etc
> aren't the only potential issue here. It is well
> known that industrial pesticides and other
> agricultural chemicals run into the Klamath Lake,
> again not things most people will be wanting to
> consume.

And we also have John M. McPartland, DO Director, Vermont Alternative Medicine speaking out about it, and he writes a good article below. He even makes the claim that "Cell Tech has paid people to write propaganda for them, and they have paid off critics to stop writing".

[www.tldp.com]

And again, why aren't the well researched raw food leaders bringing up the issues associated with it?

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2014 08:25PM by The Sproutarian Man.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Good link and to your question i think the most
> likely is because they probably sell AFA or have
> some vested interest in promoting it.
>
> If these people were honest they wouldn't sell AFA
> at all in my opinion with the research on Klamath
> Lakes quality available, at least until more
> research was there to suggest its safe for humans.
> The bulk of the studies all either suggests not to
> touch AFA at all or that its use is very
> questionable at this stage.
>
> Worrying considering that so many people take it,
> microcystins like i say have a very, very small
> dosage range for causing serious problems such as
> damaging the liver and nervous system. The fact
> that so many manufacturers of AFA are so seemingly
> inable to regulate the levels of the microcystins
> and anatoxins in there product makes it not worth
> touching aswell in my opinion.


Ouch, but you said it. I really hope this is not the case because l have a very high level of respect for Kulvinskas and greatly appreciate the work Dr Brian, Coisens and Jubb do. I am doing investigations and talking to people, and l will be sending off my letter to these people soon, and l feel their response may be very telling. I am giving them all the benefit of the doubt, but serious questions will be asked and various people including John Mc Pathland will be contacted.

My friend Kulvinskas is one of the AFA kingpins. I love this man very much and l hope he is doing the right thing.

These issues weighed really heavy on my mind last night. I am big on supporting people who do the right thing and being open and honest, and it's going to be a crushing blow if my former mentors (HHI workers and associates) can't put my mind at rest. To me the sprout diet and enlightenment is about rising above the lies and being responsible, and if they can't properly justify their positions it makes a hole mockery of the lifestyle and what they are doing. I can't continue to associate with people who don't put people's interest first, and l will isolate myself and do my own thing in the raw world if l have to, and l will put up warnings on AFA if it comes to that. Maintaining integrity is everything.

I just wish these problems didn't exist with AFA, but they do, so we can't flush it under the carpet and ignore it, no way! The science on the AFA algae and the silence about this from the raw leaders is very disturbing.

Spirulina also has issues reported, but nothing to compare with AFA. Chlorella seems to be the golden nugget. Tried various chlorella brands and none ever came up to scratch, but Sun Chlorella A (HHI repackage it and sell it at below half price) is excellent! Many chlorella companies are said to use chemicals to crack the cell wall or use heat, and many companies claim to have cracked chlorella, but despite being cracked it is still poorly digested. The patented `dyno mill' method is superb for cracking the cell walls, no compaints at all.

www.thesproutarian.com



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<<<what is this one lie?>>>

I’m sorry jt, but you have proved over and over and over that You Cannot Handle the Truth.

In all honesty, however, when it comes to this one Lie, the Rulers of the World have done such a good job of Brainwashing the masses that virtually No One Can Handle the Truth, so don’t take it personally.

To illustrate my Point, look at what happened to my Thread where I originally Answered your question (“What exactly would this lie be that Mike Adams is telling the public?”) and someone with a very small Circle of Knowledge complained to another person with a very small Circle of Knowledge and that person moved a Thread that SHOULD BE in this Forum, since IT DID RELATE to RAW FOOD, to another Forum that gets very little activity because other people with very small Circles of Knowledge don’t want others with bigger Circles of Knowledge to talk about what they REFUSE to acknowledge. These Circles of Knowledge are in reference to Einstein’s Circle of Known where Einstein had a brilliant way to illustrate how people with bigger Circles of Knowledge know they don’t know more than people with smaller Circles of Knowledge. As a result, those with bigger Circles of Knowledge are not offended as often when someone calls them Ignorant because they know they don’t know and those with smaller Circles of Knowledge are offended more often when someone calls them Ignorant because they don’t know they don’t know way more than they know they don’t know.

Anyway, here is the Answer to your Question keeping in mind that You and Almost Everyone Else Cannot Handle the Truth…

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

…and the PROOF will be in Almost Everyone’s Reaction!!! The really sad part is that very few people will figure it out.

"Every man is the creature of the age in which he lives; very few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time." -Voltaire

"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." -Voltaire

Please tell me that someone else is AWAKE besides me!

Peace and Love..........John





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2014 02:22PM by John Rose.

Hey jt,

Be sure to read my follow-up Answer to your Question, once again, keeping in mind that You and Almost Everyone Else Cannot Handle the Truth…

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

…and the PROOF will be in Almost Everyone’s Reaction!!! The really sad part is that very few people will figure it out.

"Every man is the creature of the age in which he lives; very few are able to raise themselves above the ideas of the time." -Voltaire

"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." -Voltaire

Once again, please tell me that someone else is AWAKE besides me!

Peace and Love..........John

John Rose Wrote:
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>
> To illustrate my Point, look at what happened to
> my Thread where I originally Answered your
> question (“What exactly would this lie be that
> Mike Adams is telling the public?”) and someone
> with a very small Circle of Knowledge complained
> to another person with a very small Circle of
> Knowledge and

All your etc, etc,.etc., blah, blah, blah, of self-referential puffed up to the max, blah, blah, (with a knowing wink, wink in passing to your imaginary superiorly knowledgeable 'in' big circle crowd always thrown in),is nothing but a useless off topic lowly hot air spamming of gibberish which is aimed at torturing the sane and other innocents. Copper poisoning maybe? Could you please get tested for copper and the other imbalances that make old fruitarians snap and lead the general public think all vegans are crazy? Now that is something useful you could do for the community.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> John Rose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > To illustrate my Point, look at what happened
> to
> > my Thread where I originally Answered your
> > question (“What exactly would this lie be
> that
> > Mike Adams is telling the public?”) and
> someone
> > with a very small Circle of Knowledge
> complained
> > to another person with a very small Circle of
> > Knowledge and
>
> All your etc, etc,.etc., blah, blah, blah, of
> self-referential puffed up to the max, blah, blah,
> (with a knowing wink, wink in passing to your
> imaginary superiorly knowledgeable 'in' big circle
> crowd always thrown in),is nothing but a useless
> off topic lowly hot air spamming of gibberish
> which is aimed at torturing the sane and other
> innocents. Copper poisoning maybe? Could you
> please get tested for copper and the other
> imbalances that make old fruitarians snap and lead
> the general public think all vegans are crazy? Now
> that is something useful you could do for the
> community.


LOL! We both suggested the copper-zinc thing at the same time.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
and they have paid off
> critics to stop writing".
>
> [www.tldp.com]
>
> And again, why aren't the well researched raw food
> leaders bringing up the issues associated with it?

Wow. That linked article confirmed my negative gut feeling about Klamath algae enough for me to not take it.

Gut check time surely seems to trump vegan guru consensus sometimes. I'm making a note to not be swayed against internal promptings regardless how much research and guru support flies in the face of that. Sometimes I get lazy in that regard even though I spend a lot of time in meditation. I also think I may add a lot more tests to my yearly checkups to be on the safe side. We raw vegans are still dietary pioneers and it is important to remember we just don't know much yet. There is much to learn about long term effects.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > John Rose Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > To illustrate my Point, look at what happened
> > to
> > > my Thread where I originally Answered your
> > > question (“What exactly would this lie be
> > that
> > > Mike Adams is telling the public?”) and
> > someone
> > > with a very small Circle of Knowledge
> > complained
> > > to another person with a very small Circle of
> > > Knowledge and
> >
> > All your etc, etc,.etc., blah, blah, blah, of
> > self-referential puffed up to the max, blah,
> blah,
> > (with a knowing wink, wink in passing to your
> > imaginary superiorly knowledgeable 'in' big
> circle
> > crowd always thrown in),is nothing but a
> useless
> > off topic lowly hot air spamming of gibberish
> > which is aimed at torturing the sane and other
> > innocents. Copper poisoning maybe? Could you
> > please get tested for copper and the other
> > imbalances that make old fruitarians snap and
> lead
> > the general public think all vegans are crazy?
> Now
> > that is something useful you could do for the
> > community.
>
>
> LOL! We both suggested the copper-zinc thing at
> the same time.

Lol. Think we nailed it.

<<<for the sake of the raw vegan community.>>>

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

This has everything to do with the Raw Vegan Community because it has to do with our Belief System and we’ve been LIED to about WHAT TO EAT and WHO PRINTS OUR MONEY!!!

powerlifter Wrote:
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> I think i was one of the first to promote the
> copper/zinc issue on here and im glad i did
> because its a very important problem for many
> vegans and even non-vegans who consume zinc rich
> foods, infact the whole nation is pretty much
> copper toxic to some extent due to poor diet and
> high stimulatve 21st century living and other
> factors which lower zinc such as stress and
> alcohol use.
>
I am especially interested in the copper/zinc issue because
of what I've witnessed in the raw food community the last few years
I've followed it while I've been on the diet. It is very concerning.

What, in your experience, is the proper ratio for intake of these two
minerals. And if you have advice relating to absorption tips for raw vegans, which avoids including meat products, please
share those - either here or in a link. Thanks.



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