Im amazed that i seem to be the only one raising this very interesting question that has Literally Millions of dollars riding on it . All these so called 'raw' supplements out there that claim to be 'Living whole foods' in a bottle such as VITAMINERAL GREEN, PURE SYNERGY, SPIRULINA, E3LIVE etc. all claim to be Nutritionally equal to, or even superior to Large Amounts of Organic Fresh Raw Green Vegs.

The Raw community seems to be Divided on this highly controversial topic as we have 'gurus' such as D Wolfe and Matt Monarch telling us that the 'raw' green powders are Nutritionally superior to fresh Organic Produce, while others such as V. Boutenko claim thats all a bunch of total Nonsense and that these powders are all 'dead worthless Junk' designed to scam us out of our hard earned money and make these sellers Rich and to totally stay away from them.

Oh ok, so then who is telling the Truth ? Has anyone out there ever thought of gathering together collectively the Money and sending out these Green superfood powders to an Independent Testing Facility to have them Analyzed so we can Finally get to the Truth of the matter ?

If we can easily send our water somewhere to have it specifically analyzed as to its exact contents, then why cant the same be done for all these Expensive supposedly 'raw' Green Powders , and why is no one else even the least bit curious to know whether or not these items just may be worthless junk and ripping off the Raw community ?

dave

I agree with V. Boutenko that fresh raw foods are best and that powders and other processed junk are inferior to fresh raw natural foods from the garden.

dave,

[curious handle there, Mr. Keyes ]Totally with you on this. I'm considering taking only a raw multivitamin because I cannot possibly get everything I need from raw foods--sometimes, I just don't feel like eating x amount of this or that because of lack of time or appetite. Sorry, EZ rider! But I have investigated the science behind the supplement I'm thinking of, and understand it. Those green supplements, on the other hand, seem a bit dodgy. They're probably raw, well most of them, and a smattering of algae now and then is supposed to be good for brain maintenance, but I don't know that I'd subsist on E3Live, which is what proponents seem to be moving toward. It's not technically "food." And I've never noticed a difference to my health with moderate amounts of powdered greens, so I suppose one must consume them in vast amounts to derive noticeable benefits. Again, not really "food," so this probably isn't good. I am guessing that any university chem lab would be willing to analyze these super foods for a fee. But what would we tell them to look for? Rawness? Amino content? What?

Tamukha is very right...
It's hard to test this stuff... I'm sure that they have nutrients/vitamins but are they really any good when applied to the body? Or better yet, are they better than just plain old raw food?

And I too agree with Boutenko...
Hate to say it, but David Wolfe is in it for the money.
Of course, he is helping a lot of ppl go raw which is absolutely wonderful... but he wants his pay. So he's probably thinking, if I gotta lie just a bit, who cares?? I'm helping so many ppl get healthier in everything else I do!

sorry, i cannot possibly get everything i need from raw foods.

lack of time or appetite, you know... ;-)

signed, your friends...

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But what would we tell them to look for? Rawness? Amino content? What?

Thats a good point seeing as how many of the properties of plant foods are yet to be discovered along with the way they work together in synergy.

only the creator knows what is good for us...
we humans can't create food... we might think we're very advanced in science... but we got a LONG way to go

To me, the true superfoods are freshly picked home-grown or wild organic fruit and vegies, nothing has more vibrancy and nutrition than them.

Actually, many raw foodists are acutely aware of the uselessness of fake 'superfoods'. We just don't talk about it much, but simply live our lives and enjoy the real foods.


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No, you're not the only one, Alan, by far! There's Dr Doug Graham, Frederic Patenaude, and lots of others who feel similarly.

And...me!

You might find this article of interest:

[debbietookrawforlife.blogspot.com]

PS Fresh - love your reply.

I think it is obvious that fresh foods are better than dehydrated supplemented food, that probably has little life force in it. But when you compare it to what the pharmaceuticals are doing and have done it pales into insignificance. Bearing in mind codex is already trying to remove products such as the chia seed in the UK saying it is illegal, herbs and other foods too. Many supplement companies 70% are owned by pharmaceutical companies. There is a difference between synthetic stuff that the pharma owned supplement companies sell, with a mass of poisonous exipients in them and does damage to cells and dna and natural that although is probably not that nutritious compared to fresh,is relatively harmless

Codex and monsanto are trying to remove all healthy foods and hvae everyone dependent on pharma and all foods seeds GM.

At the moment the US has the dshea legislation which protects health products in the US which the UK does not have, the dshea legislation got brought in 1994 when wholefood store organised protests against codex when they were aware of what they were up too, this time they have decided to do it through the back door. there is planned destruction for the dshea legislation. [www.nocodexgenocide.com]

I just think put your energy against these guys don't join in with battering the healthier supplements, these guys are getting enough battering from codex, would you prefer to not have them at all and just gm food and pharma and synthetic supplements.

Even organic standards according to the soil association has been diluted to support agricultural companies and organic certification no longer means anything it is just money for codex, my partner was told he was not allowed to say it was organically grown even if they were if you don't pay for organic certification.

For further information in the UK [www.anhcampaign.org]

[www.youtube.com]
scientific director robert verkerk

and the US [www.nocodexgenocide.com]

I believe in choice and certainly don't believe these guys who put fluoride in the water aspartame in all soft drinks, want all seeds and foods gm, in contol, we need to be aware of what is going and not waste time having a go a people who are doing supplements that are at worst ineffective. Codex has already made some foods and herbs illegal.

In the future you will not be able to grow stuff in your garden with out a licence. This is not a conspiracy it is a fact and you can look up the codex legislation on the net, it is all there



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I forgot to mention that herbs and good quality food source supplementation, can help people move from pharmaceuticals and diets that include mcdonalds and aspartame filled drinks and get a lot healthier, they may not be able to move just to fresh fruit and greens immediately as the detox could be severe and damaging in people who have taken a lot of pharmaceuticals, and some products can buffer those side effects.

The MMR vaccine and all vaccines shut the thymus gland down, long term use of SSRI drugs damages the endocrine systmem which includes the pineal gland, thymus gland thyroid adrenals pituitary etc and the metabolic pathways. Not much is known about these organs in mainstream medicine but they are responsible for how the body functions and also for spritual awareness and connectedness. Some people with severe damage may need some kind of supplmentation or herbs, but those with healthy endocrine systems or undamaged endocrine system will not need them.



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Ariel,

Thanks for bringing up the Codex Alimentarius--the bigger picture escapes my notice sometimes, possibly because the enormity of this potential change to our planet is unbearable to face. But I'm not a coward, so face it, I do. As we all should--raw foodists can perhaps be at the vanguard, even before farmers and bionutritionists, in fighting the Codex. It is the existence of all life we're really talking about here. When there is no more real food, we will be the first to suffer. So we must be the first to demand protection for ourselves and others. Sorry, Bryan; this is turning into an Other Topics thread!

Ariel - I took Seroxat for years - and now my thyroid is underactive (badly) I've looked and searched for the reason why and now I think you may have provided it. Thanks you so much. It doesn't change the facts but it helps to know 'why'.

Do you guys know that in Europe there are a list of seeds that retailers are allowed to sell and none that aren't on that list. I buy my heritage seeds from a non profit making company who get around this ridiculous EU law by taking 50p from the order and making me a 'member' - therefore they are not selling to the general public. I hope this loop hole doesn't get closed but then I am learning how to harvest my own seeds and keep them.

Sorry - to get back to the point. Yes I see the difference between raw supplements and the other stuff that is sold but I really don't like to eat things that can't rot. If a 'food' or pill can last for months/years - do I really view it as food or something that is desirable to ingest? For me the answer is no

As a raw foodist since 2003 I can say yes, supplements are frauds. I have used every single one out there and spent thousands of dollars. Nothing changed, happened, or healed on them. They are sold based on testimonials and stories of "the ancients"

I used to take supplements. I tried a lot of different ones with little or no detectable difference except a lighter wallet. Then I "discovered" fresh raw and that made a difference. Yeah raw !

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> As a raw foodist since 2003 I can say yes, supplements are frauds. I have used every single one out there and spent thousands of dollars. Nothing changed, happened, or healed on them. They are sold based on testimonials and stories of "the ancients"

---i resonate with this conclusion, i too have spent much money on these type of "processed" most of them unnatural "foods" in their unnatural combination, not only are these "supplements" impotent, they even can harm you and cause adverse effects and reactions in your body (and mind), as they are easy to over-dose and over-eat which will push your body out of its natural balance...

Wow Ariel55 when you put it all together like that, you kind of think they want to kill us off!

Yes, I used to take loads of supplements but then I found out that 95% of our nutients have not even been analysed so I came to the conclusion that every raw organic food is a superfood.

Kombaiyashii

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I came to the conclusion that every raw organic food is a superfood.

I agree, the real superfoods are the fresh raw foods

Run away from these crooks.

They are worse then those that are selling you doughnuts at least they aren't telling you that you need it and it is healthy for you.

If it is not a food don't eat it.

I believe that B12 and D2 are worth taking (esp. if you don't sun for the latter). But they are very cheap, just a few cents per day.

The rest is bunkum, you can get everything else that you need from your vegan foods if you choose wisely.