Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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Anonymous User
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Date: January 03, 2009 09:33PM Im amazed that i seem to be the only one raising this very interesting question that has Literally Millions of dollars riding on it . All these so called 'raw' supplements out there that claim to be 'Living whole foods' in a bottle such as VITAMINERAL GREEN, PURE SYNERGY, SPIRULINA, E3LIVE etc. all claim to be Nutritionally equal to, or even superior to Large Amounts of Organic Fresh Raw Green Vegs.
The Raw community seems to be Divided on this highly controversial topic as we have 'gurus' such as D Wolfe and Matt Monarch telling us that the 'raw' green powders are Nutritionally superior to fresh Organic Produce, while others such as V. Boutenko claim thats all a bunch of total Nonsense and that these powders are all 'dead worthless Junk' designed to scam us out of our hard earned money and make these sellers Rich and to totally stay away from them. Oh ok, so then who is telling the Truth ? Has anyone out there ever thought of gathering together collectively the Money and sending out these Green superfood powders to an Independent Testing Facility to have them Analyzed so we can Finally get to the Truth of the matter ? If we can easily send our water somewhere to have it specifically analyzed as to its exact contents, then why cant the same be done for all these Expensive supposedly 'raw' Green Powders , and why is no one else even the least bit curious to know whether or not these items just may be worthless junk and ripping off the Raw community ? dave Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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EZ rider
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Date: January 03, 2009 09:47PM I agree with V. Boutenko that fresh raw foods are best and that powders and other processed junk are inferior to fresh raw natural foods from the garden. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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Tamukha
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:02AM dave,
[curious handle there, Mr. Keyes ]Totally with you on this. I'm considering taking only a raw multivitamin because I cannot possibly get everything I need from raw foods--sometimes, I just don't feel like eating x amount of this or that because of lack of time or appetite. Sorry, EZ rider! But I have investigated the science behind the supplement I'm thinking of, and understand it. Those green supplements, on the other hand, seem a bit dodgy. They're probably raw, well most of them, and a smattering of algae now and then is supposed to be good for brain maintenance, but I don't know that I'd subsist on E3Live, which is what proponents seem to be moving toward. It's not technically "food." And I've never noticed a difference to my health with moderate amounts of powdered greens, so I suppose one must consume them in vast amounts to derive noticeable benefits. Again, not really "food," so this probably isn't good. I am guessing that any university chem lab would be willing to analyze these super foods for a fee. But what would we tell them to look for? Rawness? Amino content? What? Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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Anonymous User
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:39AM Tamukha is very right...
It's hard to test this stuff... I'm sure that they have nutrients/vitamins but are they really any good when applied to the body? Or better yet, are they better than just plain old raw food? And I too agree with Boutenko... Hate to say it, but David Wolfe is in it for the money. Of course, he is helping a lot of ppl go raw which is absolutely wonderful... but he wants his pay. So he's probably thinking, if I gotta lie just a bit, who cares?? I'm helping so many ppl get healthier in everything else I do! Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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fresh
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:40AM sorry, i cannot possibly get everything i need from raw foods.
lack of time or appetite, you know... ;-) signed, your friends... African Clawed Frog African Elephants African Grey Parrots African Wild Dog Africanized Bees Albatross Amazon River Dolphin Anacondas Anadromous Fish Anadromous Fishes Chinook Salmon Anadromous Fishes Coho Salmon Anadromous Fishes Steelhead Andean Condors Anemone Crab Anemone Shrimp Angel Shark Angelfish Breeding Angelfish Annelids Earthworms Annelids Leeches Annelids Antelopes Antlions Ants Apes Arachnids Arctic Terns Armadillos Arowana Arrow Crab Arthropods Asian Barbets Asian Elephants Asiatic Black Bear Atlantic White Sided Dolphins Australian Brush Turkey Australian Fur Seal Avocets Axolotls Babirusa Baboons Badgers Bald Eagles Baleen Whales Ball Pythons Banded Coral Shrimp Bandicoots Barn Owls Basilisks Basking Shark Bass Bats Bearded Dragons Bears Beavers Bed Bugs Beluga Whales Bengal Tigers Betta Splendens Betta Splendens Bilbies Bird Eating Spiders Bird Eating Spiders Black Howler Monkeys Black Bear Black Dogfish Shark Black Howler Monkeys Black backed Three toed Woodpecker Blood Red Fire Shrimp Blue Crabs Blue Shark Blue Whale Bluebirds Boa Constrictor Bobcats Bogong Moth Bongo Bonobos Boobies Bottlenose Dolphins Bottlenose Whales Bowhead Whales Brine Shrimp Brine Shrimp Broad Winged Hawks Broad Winged Hawks Brown Pelican Brown Bear Brown Pelican Brydes Whales Buffalo Bull Shark Bull Shark Burrowing Owls Burrowing Owls Button Quail Button Quail Caenorhabditis elegans California Condors California Quail California Red Legged Frog California Sea Lion California Condors California Quail California Red Legged Frog California Sea Lion Camel Spiders Camel Spiders Camels Canada Goose Canaries Cane Toad Capuchin Monkeys Capybaras Caribou Carpenter Bees Cassowary Catfish Centipedes Cephalopods Chatham Island Taiko Cheetahs Chickens Chiggers Chimpanzees Chinchillas Chinese Mitten Crab Chipmunks Cicadas Cichlid Clownfish Cnidarians Cobras Cockatiels Cockroaches Coelacanth Common Dolphin Common Loons Cookie Cutter Shark Coopers Hawks Copepods Copperheads Cougars Cow Cowbirds Coyotes Crab Crane Fly Crane Crayfish Crickets and Grasshoppers Crocodiles and Alligators Crustaceans Cuscus Daddy Long Legs Spiders Dama Gazelle Deer Degu Desert Pupfish Desert Tortoise Devils Hole Pupfish Dik Diks Dingoes Discus Dodo Donkey Downy Woodpecker Dusky Shark Eagles Earthworms Eastern Cougar Eastern Mole Echidna Egrets Finback Whales Giant Panda Golden Eagles Great White Shark Hairy Woodpecker Harlequin Shrimp Harpy Eagles Humpback Whales Minke Whale North Atlantic Right Whale Northern Flicker Northern Three toed Woodpecker Oceanic Whitetip Shark Orca Killer Whale Palm Cockatoos Pileated Woodpecker Polar Bear Porbeagle Shark Portuguese Shark Purple Shore Crab Red Bellied Woodpecker Red headed Woodpecker Rough Sagre Shark Sand Tiger Shark Scarlet Skunk Cleaner Shrimp Sei Whale Sharks Sharpnose Shark Shortfin Mako Shark Slipper Lobster Sloth Bear Smooth Dogfish Shark Smooth Hammerhead Shark Spectacled Bear Spiny Dogfish Shark Spiny Lobster Starfish Sun Bear Thresher Shark Tiger Shark Wallabies Walruses Wasps Water Dragons Waterbucks Weasels Western Yellow billed Cuckoo Whale Shark Whales White Beaked Dolphins White Pelican Whitetip Reef Shark Whooping Cranes Widow Spiders Wild Canids Wild Cats Wild and Feral Horses Wildebeest Wildlife Wobbegong Shark Wolf Spiders Wolverines Wolves Wombats Wood Storks Woodpeckers Worms Yaks Yellow Bellied Marmot Yellow bellied Sapsucker Zebra Finches Zebrafish Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
EZ rider
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:41AM
Thats a good point seeing as how many of the properties of plant foods are yet to be discovered along with the way they work together in synergy. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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Anonymous User
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:47AM only the creator knows what is good for us...
we humans can't create food... we might think we're very advanced in science... but we got a LONG way to go Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
rawgosia
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Date: January 04, 2009 12:56AM To me, the true superfoods are freshly picked home-grown or wild organic fruit and vegies, nothing has more vibrancy and nutrition than them.
Actually, many raw foodists are acutely aware of the uselessness of fake 'superfoods'. We just don't talk about it much, but simply live our lives and enjoy the real foods. RawGosia channel RawGosia streams Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
debbietook
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Date: January 04, 2009 05:42AM No, you're not the only one, Alan, by far! There's Dr Doug Graham, Frederic Patenaude, and lots of others who feel similarly.
And...me! You might find this article of interest: [debbietookrawforlife.blogspot.com] PS Fresh - love your reply. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
Ariel55
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Date: January 04, 2009 09:03AM I think it is obvious that fresh foods are better than dehydrated supplemented food, that probably has little life force in it. But when you compare it to what the pharmaceuticals are doing and have done it pales into insignificance. Bearing in mind codex is already trying to remove products such as the chia seed in the UK saying it is illegal, herbs and other foods too. Many supplement companies 70% are owned by pharmaceutical companies. There is a difference between synthetic stuff that the pharma owned supplement companies sell, with a mass of poisonous exipients in them and does damage to cells and dna and natural that although is probably not that nutritious compared to fresh,is relatively harmless
Codex and monsanto are trying to remove all healthy foods and hvae everyone dependent on pharma and all foods seeds GM. At the moment the US has the dshea legislation which protects health products in the US which the UK does not have, the dshea legislation got brought in 1994 when wholefood store organised protests against codex when they were aware of what they were up too, this time they have decided to do it through the back door. there is planned destruction for the dshea legislation. [www.nocodexgenocide.com] I just think put your energy against these guys don't join in with battering the healthier supplements, these guys are getting enough battering from codex, would you prefer to not have them at all and just gm food and pharma and synthetic supplements. Even organic standards according to the soil association has been diluted to support agricultural companies and organic certification no longer means anything it is just money for codex, my partner was told he was not allowed to say it was organically grown even if they were if you don't pay for organic certification. For further information in the UK [www.anhcampaign.org] [www.youtube.com] scientific director robert verkerk and the US [www.nocodexgenocide.com] I believe in choice and certainly don't believe these guys who put fluoride in the water aspartame in all soft drinks, want all seeds and foods gm, in contol, we need to be aware of what is going and not waste time having a go a people who are doing supplements that are at worst ineffective. Codex has already made some foods and herbs illegal. In the future you will not be able to grow stuff in your garden with out a licence. This is not a conspiracy it is a fact and you can look up the codex legislation on the net, it is all there Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2009 09:07AM by Ariel55. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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Ariel55
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Date: January 04, 2009 09:33AM I forgot to mention that herbs and good quality food source supplementation, can help people move from pharmaceuticals and diets that include mcdonalds and aspartame filled drinks and get a lot healthier, they may not be able to move just to fresh fruit and greens immediately as the detox could be severe and damaging in people who have taken a lot of pharmaceuticals, and some products can buffer those side effects.
The MMR vaccine and all vaccines shut the thymus gland down, long term use of SSRI drugs damages the endocrine systmem which includes the pineal gland, thymus gland thyroid adrenals pituitary etc and the metabolic pathways. Not much is known about these organs in mainstream medicine but they are responsible for how the body functions and also for spritual awareness and connectedness. Some people with severe damage may need some kind of supplmentation or herbs, but those with healthy endocrine systems or undamaged endocrine system will not need them. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2009 09:37AM by Ariel55. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
Tamukha
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Date: January 04, 2009 03:49PM Ariel,
Thanks for bringing up the Codex Alimentarius--the bigger picture escapes my notice sometimes, possibly because the enormity of this potential change to our planet is unbearable to face. But I'm not a coward, so face it, I do. As we all should--raw foodists can perhaps be at the vanguard, even before farmers and bionutritionists, in fighting the Codex. It is the existence of all life we're really talking about here. When there is no more real food, we will be the first to suffer. So we must be the first to demand protection for ourselves and others. Sorry, Bryan; this is turning into an Other Topics thread! Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
flipperjan
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Date: January 04, 2009 06:14PM Ariel - I took Seroxat for years - and now my thyroid is underactive (badly) I've looked and searched for the reason why and now I think you may have provided it. Thanks you so much. It doesn't change the facts but it helps to know 'why'.
Do you guys know that in Europe there are a list of seeds that retailers are allowed to sell and none that aren't on that list. I buy my heritage seeds from a non profit making company who get around this ridiculous EU law by taking 50p from the order and making me a 'member' - therefore they are not selling to the general public. I hope this loop hole doesn't get closed but then I am learning how to harvest my own seeds and keep them. Sorry - to get back to the point. Yes I see the difference between raw supplements and the other stuff that is sold but I really don't like to eat things that can't rot. If a 'food' or pill can last for months/years - do I really view it as food or something that is desirable to ingest? For me the answer is no Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
suvine
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Date: January 06, 2009 08:14PM As a raw foodist since 2003 I can say yes, supplements are frauds. I have used every single one out there and spent thousands of dollars. Nothing changed, happened, or healed on them. They are sold based on testimonials and stories of "the ancients" Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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EZ rider
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Date: January 06, 2009 08:51PM I used to take supplements. I tried a lot of different ones with little or no detectable difference except a lighter wallet. Then I "discovered" fresh raw and that made a difference. Yeah raw ! Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
justin1
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Date: January 06, 2009 09:24PM suvine Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > As a raw foodist since 2003 I can say yes, supplements are frauds. I have used every single one out there and spent thousands of dollars. Nothing changed, happened, or healed on them. They are sold based on testimonials and stories of "the ancients" ---i resonate with this conclusion, i too have spent much money on these type of "processed" most of them unnatural "foods" in their unnatural combination, not only are these "supplements" impotent, they even can harm you and cause adverse effects and reactions in your body (and mind), as they are easy to over-dose and over-eat which will push your body out of its natural balance... Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
Kombaiyashii
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Date: January 06, 2009 09:29PM Wow Ariel55 when you put it all together like that, you kind of think they want to kill us off!
Yes, I used to take loads of supplements but then I found out that 95% of our nutients have not even been analysed so I came to the conclusion that every raw organic food is a superfood. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
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EZ rider
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Date: January 06, 2009 11:10PM Kombaiyashii
I agree, the real superfoods are the fresh raw foods Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
globalresult
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Date: January 11, 2009 01:52AM Run away from these crooks.
They are worse then those that are selling you doughnuts at least they aren't telling you that you need it and it is healthy for you. If it is not a food don't eat it. Re: Are so called 'raw' supplements are a FRAUD ?
Posted by:
arugula
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Date: January 11, 2009 05:53AM I believe that B12 and D2 are worth taking (esp. if you don't sun for the latter). But they are very cheap, just a few cents per day.
The rest is bunkum, you can get everything else that you need from your vegan foods if you choose wisely. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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