Do you mean grapefruit seed extract?

Re: [e3livecancer.blogspot.com]

It was prudent of E3Live to remove their products from the shelves after this discovery. I think a refund should have been in order too.

Not nice. Glad that stuff never appealed to me. I have a friend who sells it in Canada (E3Live products, not sure about BrainON) and it's all he eats. Hmm.

I'm amazed that people can criticize Brian Clement without even knowing who he is or what he does. He doesn't say to restrict your diet to these three nutrients. He says that they are the most packed with nutrients and should be the basis of any intelligently planned live vegan program.

He also writes in other places that fruits are 30-40 times sweeter than they were before agriculture and hybridization made them too sweet to be healthy. We have a natural propensity to sweet because most things in the natural environment that are sweet are not poisonous and it helped our ancestors survive. The last taste to develop, usually in adulthood is for bitter as many bitter things in the natural environment are poisonous alkaloids and they would kill us if eaten. So just because we like the taste of sweet things doesn't make them the best foods for us to eat as the major part of our diet.

I survived the 60's when our motto was "If it feels good, do it!" That didn't work out so well for a lot of my contemporaries. I became morbidly obese with metabolic syndrome. I have one friend who died a lonely death as a methadone addict, one who has had his feet amputated because of his lifelong indulgence in sweets as the first course of every meal and other addictions, and one who is dying in bed connected to tubes to maintain his body functions while he dies as the result of a life of addiction to alcohol. And a talented holistic healer who decided that it was okay to balance his desire for sweets with insulin injections and he died of a stroke.

These were not raw foodist, but close friends,including myself, who indulged in what made us feel good, without applying our collective, considerable intelligence to what we consumed. Fortunately, another friend introduced me to the writings of Brian Clement and his recommended dietary and exercise program is saving my life. I've lost too many friends and almost myself to the indulgence of our tastes.

I would suggest that anyone who is seriously interested in living a long, vital, and healthy raw vegan lifestyle become very familiar with the writings of Brian Clement and not just base their decisions on what appeals to our taste buds or some unfounded fantasy about eating bananas all day as the natural diet for humans.

My mom is an old hippy hedonist. She's also the only 60 year old I know that does yoga daily, looks 15 years younger than she is, is nearly always happy and does not take even one medication at all.
Thanks mom.

I still like Clement a lot, I would need to hear actually what happened with him directly regarding this issue. He's got a lot of cred with me for past behavior that guy.

ch'an, some of the things that Clements share is in direct conflict with my over 9 years of personal experience eating all raw foods. Should I listen to a man whose raw diet requires that I eat cooked foods to be nourished, or should I listen to my personal experience of a diet that allows me to thrive on an all raw diet?

Also, his dietary recommendations are such that major supplementation (I mean much more than B12 and D) are required. Personally, I am enjoying my all raw diet that provides me with the nutrition I need to sustain myself without ingesting artificially man-made chemicals and supplements.





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How do you get enough D3 and B12 Prana? Just wondering since so many of us seem to be showing up deficient after a few years vegan and/or raw? I know it's not a vegan issue exclusively but I am after a vegan solution .

I have listen to Clements and read some of his writings. I have not seen where he made reference to eating cooked foods. The center piece of his diet is sprouts. This is the highest form of food one can eat, it is live food. The algae and seaweeds are natural supplements because for most the nutritional value of foods is not what it used to be.
To me Gabriel Cousens and Brian Clements are the top two raw food activists out there, the others are distant second bananas

Brian and his family include a small amount of cooked foods in their evening meals. Years ago he said that a 100% raw diet was optimum for healing but not necessary for excellent health outside of that state. At this point I also agree with this. He is a person I admire greatly as well.

So here is what my friend who reps E3Live in Canada had to say about that product.

This is the tincture that we have not been selling for over a year and a half now. The Brain on frozen and dried has none of that in it. It is 100% raw as anything and wild. Our new tinctures we are producing will have amazing natural preseratives like rosemary etc.

There you go.

coco, I don't know that I get enough, as I haven't had a blood test recently. I think it may be time to get one, but I don't have health insurance, so its going to come out of my own pocket. But I feel healthy, and I get plenty of sun in the summer time (I work outdoors, and I am in the hot sun all day during the summer). I currently don't supplement, but I have not noticed any kind of bone fragility (and I trip on things a lot when I'm out moving brush in the forest). Also, I don't have any of the symptoms that are typical of B12 deficiency.

I thought that you could go for years without any symptoms and then whammo, it catches up with you. See, this is why I am so hesitant to just trust that we are getting enough, especially the kids. How much would I kick myself to find out they were really low in one of those, hoo boy... And we sure aren't getting enough sun these days. Snow snow snow snow and more snow. Come on spring!

ch'an Wrote:
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> I'm amazed that people can criticize Brian Clement
> without even knowing who he is or what he does. He
> doesn't say to restrict your diet to these three
> nutrients. He says that they are the most packed
> with nutrients and should be the basis of any
> intelligently planned live vegan program.
>
> He also writes in other places that fruits are
> 30-40 times sweeter than they were before
> agriculture and hybridization made them too sweet
> to be healthy. We have a natural propensity to
> sweet because most things in the natural
> environment that are sweet are not poisonous and
> it helped our ancestors survive. The last taste to
> develop, usually in adulthood is for bitter as
> many bitter things in the natural environment are
> poisonous alkaloids and they would kill us if
> eaten. So just because we like the taste of sweet
> things doesn't make them the best foods for us to
> eat as the major part of our diet.

Ive eaten wild strawberries and apples that grow here, and they are just as sweet as comercial produce, probably more so actually. If they really were 30-40 times sweeter now, that would mean, that before they would have had less sugar in them than vegetables. This whole theory about fruits being sooo much sweeter than before sounds like BS to me.

Beets and carrots are more sugary now, that's a fact.

coco Wrote:
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> Beets and carrots are more sugary now, that's a
> fact.

How do you know coco? Did you tasted the before and after. I thought you were very young with small children.

Not that your sarcastic response makes me think you really have an interest in the answer...

It's common knowledge that carrots and beets have been hybridized for generations to increase their sugar content to make them tastier to the modern palate.

Here's a wiki entry for carrots. I'm sure you know how to use google yourself for the rest.
[en.wikipedia.org]

And a little carrot history for the rest of you who might be interested.

[www.carrotmuseum.co.uk]


And I'm nearly 40 but thanks for thinking I'm so young. That's nice.



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Thanks coco, interesting, it was a genuine question. By the way I work at Google and know the internals of the web.

in response to post below from RosieKolar on feb 25 2011 I discovered on hippocrates web this article to explain and rebut charges against Brian clement as to his lack of integrity.


Hippocrates Institute is headed up by Dr. Brian Clements. I read this site which pertains to E3Live’s BrainON and Hippocrates “BRAIN” blue green algae product. [e3livecancer.blogspot.com] I Emailed Dr. Clements asking for documentation from his side. He had none. Hippocrates claims that they preserve their “BRAIN” with grape seed extract. Grape seed extract is not a true preservative and could never preserve their algae product on the shelf for two years. They lack integrity. I do not trust them like I did before.




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Sodium benzoate is listed among the ingredients in numerous foods because it kills a wide variety of bacteria, yeast and fungi. You will almost always see it used as a preservative in foods with a high acid content. This is because sodium benzoate will work only when the pH balance of the foods or drinks is less than 3.6. Because it becomes active only at a low pH, it is most commonly used in foods such as soda, vinegar, fruit juice and salad dressing. It is also used to stop the fermentation process in wines.

Sodium benzoate naturally occurs in some fruits such as apples, plums and cranberries. A few sweet spices contain small amounts of sodium benzoate, including cloves and cinnamon. The presence of sodium benzoate in these foods does not necessarily act to preserve them; and many contain levels higher than the FDA recommended concentration of 0.1 percent.

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We are often asked why we do not use other preservatives such as citric acid. The answer is simple, but the implications are too numerous and complicated to go into in this short article. We do not use citric acid and other like preservatives because they would change the pH of LifeOne and for several reasons that is unacceptable. LifeOne is kept very close to the normal pH of blood at just over 7.

Since we use an extremely small amount of sodium benzoate in LifeOne, some have questioned its safety. Whether or not you believe the charges concerning its safety, the questions of how and why it is used are legitimate.

Though the FDA sets the limit of sodium benzoate at 0.1 percent, LifeOne formula uses a miniscule fraction of that amount.

Since sodium benzoate is activated only at a pH of less than 3.8, it can never become active in LifeOne because LifeOne has a pH of over 7.

The sodium is released in the water phase and does not react with antioxidants. Since it cannot react with the antioxidants it cannot produce benzene.

If you doubled the dose of LifeOne, you would be getting less sodium benzoate than you would from eating an organic apple.

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It prevents oxidation that starts a chain reaction between glycerin and / or oxidative Bs into aldehydes like Octanal C8 H16 O, Decanal C11 H22 O which can be extremely dangerous aldehydes when ingested.

In 1954, Dr. W. H. Stein reported in the Journal of the American Chemical Society that benzoate is a natural metabolite of the human body through endogenous formation of benzoate through the phenylalanine-tyrosine pathway. In other words, we produce it naturally in our own bodies, so fear of the substance needs to be tempered with knowledge of its use and properties.

When compared to the possibility of contracting bacterium clostridium botulinum or other serious bacteria, molds or fungi, it seems much safer to employ sodium benzoate than to do nothing, or ruin the product for the properties that make it so effective.

Are you actually here trying to talk us into believing that Sodium Benzoate is HEALTHY for us? Oh man, are you EVER barking up the wrong tree.

Sodium benzoate is "natural" the way that arsenic is "natural," though not to that degree of toxicity. I subscribe to the wisdom that any toxin in a volume of greater than zero is less safe than zero. And I don't want to knowingly eat anything which will prompt my body to make benzene, thank you! Why do these supplements need preservatives, anyway? They're kept refrigerated and they are prescribed in large amounts, resulting in fast consumption.

WanderRA Wrote:
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> Was man designed to dive underwater and eat the
> plants growing on the seabed?
>
> no.
>
> this is why I personally avoid seaweeds.


Actually -YES. According to the 'waterside' or 'aquatic ape' theory, which is very reasonable, humans had a semi-aquatic phase in evolution.
[www.youtube.com]

What do you guys think of wheatgrass tablets? Waste of money?

I've been trying to eat sea vegetables for a long time... every time I do I get a terrible terrible skin breakout. Is it the iodine? I know iodine causes detox but ugh.. these breakouts are very ugly, HUGE and quite painful. Does this happen to anyone else?

Corathegreen Wrote:
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> I've been trying to eat sea vegetables for a long
> time... every time I do I get a terrible terrible
> skin breakout. Is it the iodine? I know iodine
> causes detox but ugh.. these breakouts are very
> ugly, HUGE and quite painful. Does this happen to
> anyone else?

Doubtful unless you have heavy metal, fluoride poisoning etc. Does this happen with all sea vegetables?

Fruitylow, go with fresh wheatgrass or organic wheatgrass powder(check your sources not all wheatgrass is equal, some sell the cheap chinese wheatgrass, the New Zealand variety is good). I have had better benefits with wheatgrass powder than fresh if im honest, plus i had some problems at times growing fresh wheatgrass due to mold.

"Doubtful unless you have heavy metal, fluoride poisoning etc. Does this happen with all sea vegetables? "


I do. (have those poisonings)

That is why I know I need iodine, but at the same time the detox is so unmanageable.

Ahh yeah in which case iodine and/or sea vegetables can cause breakouts. What one of the above do you have. I had heavy metal poisoning and wrote an article on natural methods to chelate.

Building up extremely slowly with sea vegetables would be a wise idea until you can tolerate larger doses. You will able to do that the less the poisoning becomes.

[vegankingdom.co.uk] - Heavy Metal Natural Chelation

Oh Cora, I'm so sorry! Cilantro juice is a good heavy metal detoxer as well, so is wheatgrass. Perhaps one or a combo of those would be helpful in a slower and more gentle way. Best of luck to you...

coco Wrote:
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> Oh Cora, I'm so sorry! Cilantro juice is a good
> heavy metal detoxer as well, so is wheatgrass.
> Perhaps one or a combo of those would be helpful
> in a slower and more gentle way. Best of luck to
> you...

I found from experience cilantro was pretty powerful and even ingesting a small amount id go dizzy and feel ill, plus it needs to be supplemented with an agent that binds to the metal such as chlorella.

Pectins from food are a good start, apples are a good source of pectin as well as malic acid which chelates aluminum if that is the problematic metal. Incan berries are a great source of pectin and many have found them helpful in removing metals.

Best to take heavy metal toxicity slowly though it can put an awful burden on your elimination organs.

Prana, I thought you were a software consultant or something like that?
Anyway, thanks for your input. You save me research time, as I learned that I can rely on your judgement.

powerlifer Wrote:
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> Ahh yeah in which case iodine and/or sea
> vegetables can cause breakouts. What one of the
> above do you have. I had heavy metal poisoning and
> wrote an article on natural methods to chelate.
>
> Building up extremely slowly with sea vegetables
> would be a wise idea until you can tolerate larger
> doses. You will able to do that the less the
> poisoning becomes.
>
> [vegankingdom.co.uk] - Heavy Metal
> Natural Chelation


Thanks so much for that! I've been working at this for years now. I was raised on heavily fluoridated water. At the time my mom had all the wrong ideas about health and thought she was doing the right thing "For our teeth" by buying special water with extra fluoride (even more than most tap water).

Then there was all the non organic produce and other horrible toxic foods I've eaten in my life... plus I was on a ton of weird meds when I was a teen and I know some of those have halogens in them as well.

On top of all that when my mom was a kid she ingested a bunch of mercury... I don't know how this effected her or me, when she was pregnant with me but she never chelated it... :\ Maybe that wouldn't matter to me, not sure.

But yeah, I know for sure I've had a lot of fluoride poisoning, I suffered from horrible teeth problems all my adult life (that I'm slowly healing with raw greens and a practice called oil pulling which I'm sure some of you here know of) so there goes the "fluoride helps your teeth" theory. I still can't even fully bite into a piece of fruit because my teeth are so sensitive and lacking protective enamel.

But yeah, what I really wanted to talk about in this post: CILANTRO! You guys are right, I've already discovered cilantro and I believe it is doing great things to remove metals from my body. When I first started eating a lot of it I'd wake up the next morning with a strong metal taste in my mouth.

Now the metal taste has been less so I'm hoping I got some of it out. I feel better too. I juice it and I eat it on salads. It's truly a gift from god.

I was so toxic in metals from whatever source i highly suspect mass smoking that any chelating agent i took metals came out somewhere. Even when i didn't exercise made my sweat smell of metals. I told my doctor that i was worried and he laughed in my face, he was like metals hahhahah. This really annoyed me, but after 7+ years ill everyone made me feel wrong and that i was just imagining everything such as the bone pain, chronic fatigue and the 100 other symptoms.

Its almost if you need someone in a white jacket to verify somethings wrong before the majority of uneducated will agree your ill. I had to pay an extortionate amount of money to prove i was ill and even then with proper blood tests many doctors didn't care.

Anyway rant over i hope you get over your problems i had real problems proving mine, the only offer was anti-depressants and i took them on occasion as i began to doubt my mental health and thought maybe these people are right, maybe i am mad and my body is making these problems.

Well they were wrong, if it wasnt a few years back i would have sued, i lost alot of my life to what was my root problem with health.