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>
> Do you eat 1.5 cups sesame/chia in a day? How many
> tablespoons is that? Wondering if I could start
> doing that on some days...

Only 6 tablespoons of sesame, and then sprout for lunch. This makes a bowl. Also soak 6 tabespoons of chia another day and sprout it, this makes a bowl also. Always with sea weed, and some algae is added, and always with bacterial soil based b12. It works so well.

www.thesproutarian.com

Panchito Wrote:
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> "Pterostilbene is a stilbenoid chemically related
> to resveratrol and is found in blueberries and
> grapes. It belongs to the group of phytoalexins,
> agents produced by plants to fight infections.[1]
> Based on animal studies it is thought to exhibit
> anti-cancer, anti-hypercholesterolemia,
> anti-hypertriglyceridemia properties, as well as
> the ability to fight off and reverse cognitive
> decline. It is believed that the compound also has
> anti-diabetic properties, but so far very little
> has been studied on this issue.[citation needed"

new vid just came out about the benefits of blueberries

[nutritionfacts.org]

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Blueberries are great, infact berries in general
> are some of the best fruits to consume in my
> opinion. They are low GI, rich sources of
> antioxidants and other phytonutrients due to there
> color.

Yes, berries are pretty special, and l have a soft spot for blueberries because they are one of the few blue foods. My first choice of fruit is blue berries.

Blue berries are very high in tannins, but a small period of eating them is good. During summer l will eat about 25 kg (50 pounds) of blue berries over a three week period. l pick them straight off the bushes.

When it comes to fruit being picked weeks or months before, that's a complete different story. Picking fresh fruit is the way.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2013 11:43PM by The Sproutarian Man.

Panchito Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How old is the research? Is there proof of many
> > vegans avoiding heart problems in the studies?
> > What were the factors measured? How long did
> the
> > studies go for?
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> se-Nutrition-Based/dp/1583333002
>
> There are real doctors (no paleo crap) who use
> LFVDs to reverse heart dissease. search google

Yes, there are certainly advantages to a plant based diet such as much lower chances of getting ischemic heart disease, but one of the various disadvantages is that low B12 levels can lead to greatly increased homocysteine levels which has been proven to show an increased risk for (1) hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis), which could eventually result in a heart attack and/or stroke, and (2) blood clots in the veins, referred to as venous thrombosis.

There are quite alot of studies which show vegans are often low in B12 and are prone to the problems mentioned if they practise this lifestyle for long enough and aren't diligent enough to solve the nutritional shortcomings.


Long-Term Consumption of a Raw Food Diet Is Associated with Favorable Serum LDL Cholesterol and Triglycerides but Also with Elevated Plasma Homocysteine and Low Serum HDL Cholesterol in Humans

Corinna Koebnick, Ada L. Garcia etal
[jn.nutrition.org]



A quote from above:
In a recent meta-analysis of prospective studies, a higher mortality from coronary heart disease was observed in vegans than in ovo-lacto-vegetarians (16). Furthermore, results of several studies suggest that strict vegetarians have a high prevalence of elevated plasma total homocysteine (tHcy), which is considered to be an independent risk factor for CVD

Then there is this:

Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies

Timothy J Key, Gary E Frase
[ajcn.nutrition.org]

A quote from above:
Further categorization of diets showed that, in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans. There were no significant differences between vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer, colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, or all other causes combined

Wake up call above. We need to be doing things better. Raw is better, but it is hard to make it work because of anti-nutrients.


Homocysteine Determinants and the Evidence to What Extent Homocysteine Determines the Risk of Coronary Heart Disease

Angelika De Bree1, W. M. Monique Verschuren
[intl.pharmrev.org]

Quote from above:
Several intervention studies have provided evidence for the importance of B vitamins in homocysteine metabolism. Especially supplements with folic acid (synthetic form of folate) and combinations of folic acid, vitamin B2, B6, and B12 effectively reduced the tHcy concentration in subjects with normal

It's very important to get enough folate, B2, B6, B12, but many are short in B12, and many can fall short with B2 ans B6 if they aren't careful.

Homocysteine and MTHFR Mutations
Relation to Thrombosis and Coronary Artery Disease

Elizabeth A. Varga, MS; Amy C. Sturm et al
[circ.ahajournals.org]

If you are having seaweeds and algaes it looks like it is best to be getting over the 100% rda of B12, preferably from a soil based bacterial supplement or as much from the diet as possible.

See, we can be doing things better. Much more can be said on this. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Vegans are prone to dementia because of lack of DHA/EPA and iodine. But we are also prone to zinc deficiency and low on a good ALA-LA ratio, so we are often very inefficient at making EPA/DHA. Anti-nutrients and excess high copper foods make the vegan diet very problematic....even more problems to fix than that.

www.thesproutarian.com



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2014 10:00PM by The Sproutarian Man.

I think everybody recommends B12 supps on Any vegan diet (except maybe for the hard core ones). B12 supps are good and cheap and don't come from animals.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How old is the research? Is there proof of
> many
> > > vegans avoiding heart problems in the
> studies?
> > > What were the factors measured? How long did
> > the
> > > studies go for?
> >
> >
> [www.amazon.com]
> > se-Nutrition-Based/dp/1583333002
> >
> > There are real doctors (no paleo crap) who use
> > LFVDs to reverse heart dissease. search google
>
> Yes, there are certainly advantages to a plant
> based diet such as much lower chances of getting
> ischemic heart disease, but one of the various
> disadvantages is that low B12 levels can lead to
> greatly increased homocysteine levels which has
> been proven to show an increased risk for (1)
> hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis), which
> could eventually result in a heart attack and/or
> stroke, and (2) blood clots in the veins, referred
> to as venous thrombosis.
>
> There are quite alot of studies which show vegans
> are often low in B12 and are prone to the problems
> mentioned if they practise this lifestyle for long
> enough and aren't diligent enough to solve the
> nutritional shortcomings.
>
>
> Long-Term Consumption of a Raw Food Diet Is
> Associated with Favorable Serum LDL Cholesterol
> and Triglycerides but Also with Elevated Plasma
> Homocysteine and Low Serum HDL Cholesterol in
> Humans
>
> Corinna Koebnick, Ada L. Garcia etal
> [jn.nutrition.org]
>
>
>
> A quote from above:
> In a recent meta-analysis of prospective studies,
> a higher mortality from coronary heart disease was
> observed in vegans than in ovo-lacto-vegetarians
> (16). Furthermore, results of several studies
> suggest that strict vegetarians have a high
> prevalence of elevated plasma total homocysteine
> (tHcy), which is considered to be an independent
> risk factor for CVD
>
> Then there is this:
>
> Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians:
> detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of
> 5 prospective studies
>
> Timothy J Key, Gary E Frase
> [ajcn.nutrition.org]
> ct?ijkey=b07197f09753289eef778ae5544ec25d4af53ef1&
> keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
>
> A quote from above:
> Further categorization of diets showed that, in
> comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality
> from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in
> occasional meat eaters, 34% lower in people who
> ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in
> lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans.
> There were no significant differences between
> vegetarians and nonvegetarians in mortality from
> cerebrovascular disease, stomach cancer,
> colorectal cancer, lung cancer, breast cancer,
> prostate cancer, or all other causes combined
>
> Wake up call above. We need to be doing things
> better. Raw is better, but it is hard to make it
> work because of anti-nutrients.
>
>
> Homocysteine Determinants and the Evidence to What
> Extent Homocysteine Determines the Risk of
> Coronary Heart Disease
>
> Angelika De Bree1, W. M. Monique Verschuren
> [intl.pharmrev.org]
>
> Quote from above:
> Several intervention studies have provided
> evidence for the importance of B vitamins in
> homocysteine metabolism. Especially supplements
> with folic acid (synthetic form of folate) and
> combinations of folic acid, vitamin B2, B6, and
> B12 effectively reduced the tHcy concentration in
> subjects with normal
>
> It's very important to get enough folate, B2, B6,
> B12, but many are short in B12, and many can fall
> short with B2 ans B6 if they aren't careful.
>
> Homocysteine and MTHFR Mutations
> Relation to Thrombosis and Coronary Artery
> Disease
>
> Elizabeth A. Varga, MS; Amy C. Sturm et al
> [circ.ahajournals.org]
> ll
>
> If you are having seaweeds and algaes it looks
> like it is best to be getting over the 100% rda of
> B12, preferably from a soil based bacterial
> supplement or as much from the diet as possible.
>
> See, we can be doing things better. Much more can
> be said on this. This is just the tip of the
> iceberg.
>
> Vegans are prone to dementia because of lack of
> DHA/EPA and iodine. But we are also prone to zinc
> deficiency and low on a good ALA-LA ratio, so we
> are often very inefficient at making EPA/DHA.
> Anti-nutrients and excess high copper foods make
> the vegan diet very problematic....even more
> problems to fix than that.

Thanks for all the great info you provide, Sproutman! Your posts are the main reason I started visiting this site.

Good info Sproutarianman and something ive thought for a while.

MTHFR Mutations is another interesting topic and Dr Lawrence Wilson recommends the supplement TMG(to provide methyl-donors to support methylation) for these type of transcription issues and dark green vegetables to provide folate.

He suggests that there not really true genetic issues but transcription errors often caused by zinc deficiency and heavy metal toxicity. Heavy metals afterall have been shown to interfere with DNA synthesis so this isn't surprising.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2014 04:53PM by powerlifter.

Panchito Wrote:
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> another pendulous abdomen in the making. This Dr
> is aging fast! but he knows ALL the theories ja
> ja
>
> [www.youtube.com]
> ed&v=-i-We2KzPzU


Total BS, he's fit and his skin isn't too bad for a slim, fit, old guy. Anyway, thanks for the video. I will be using this great little recipe soon.

SueZ Wrote:
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> Anyway, thanks for the
> video. I will be using this great little recipe
> soon.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

PS: I would be wary if you hear from someone that flexible bones are cool. If you ever hear that then run away.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 12:00AM by Panchito.

Numenor Wrote:
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> Do you use oil for dressings? Is it good to use
> oil? I read somewhere that oil is rancid before
> you've even bought it. Does oil work for you?


I love olive oil and have a great ability to detect rancidity. I have found that TJ's and Whole Foods' moderately priced olive oils to be better than the trade names in the regular groceries by far. They pour green, too.

Panchito Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyway, thanks for the
> > video. I will be using this great little recipe
> > soon.
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> 3523
>
> PS: I would be wary if you hear from someone that
> flexible bones are cool. If you ever hear that
> then run away.

Are you alluding to Tavis Bradley's accident or something? At the time of his accident he was still getting most of his calories from carbs not fat so if that's what you're baiting with it's yet another fail. If it isn't that I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, although I see eye to eye on just about nothing with Dr. Mercola he is not getting a potbelly and deserves more respect than your pot shot warrants. Do you have any idea of how much of his own hard earned money he spent in an attempt to get GMO's labled - for all of us? And his video of the chocolate treat recipe that you used and failed to make your point with is worth trying so thanks for selecting that one.

but did you read the link about the ketogenic diets? What are your thoughts? Not to mention that any type of salt also leaches calcium out of the bones.

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 09:34AM by Panchito.

Panchito Wrote:
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> but did you read the link about the ketogenic
> diets? What are your thoughts? Not to mention that
> any type of salt also leaches calcium out of the
> bones.
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> 3523

Panchito, had you shown even the slightest interest in learning how easy it is to balance Omega 6/3 intake on a high fat raw diet I would have been more interested in engaging in conversation with you and would have overlook that you said it is impossible.

At this point I've seen enough of your disingenuous and embarrassingly silly ways to bid you ado. If you want to believe you are smart and just you can but just keep at the back of your mind that not all will be so easily fooled.

Unrefined mineral/trace element rich salts such as himalayan or celtic sea salt are great within the confines of a balanced diet, i haven't seen anything to suggest that they'd "leech" calcium from bones.

There sources of calcium and other bone supportive minerals such as silica themselves. Infact himalayan salt and trace element rich seaweed such as kelp has been great for improving my bone/teeth density.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Unrefined mineral/trace element rich salts such as
> himalayan or celtic sea salt are great within the
> confines of a balanced diet, i haven't seen
> anything to suggest that they'd "leech" calcium
> from bones.
>
> There sources of calcium and other bone supportive
> minerals such as silica themselves. Infact
> himalayan salt and trace element rich seaweed such
> as kelp has been great for improving my bone/teeth
> density.

Exactly, and certainly no animals suffer if we consume Himalayan salt and seaweed. I've benefited greatly since I've added them to my diet.

Incidentally, I have found that my Vitamix has no trouble pulverizing raw seaweed into my raw soup water so I don't even have to bother to plan ahead for soaking time when I make my raw soups.

Aslong as you don't have high sodium(which is mostly always the result of consuming too much processed junk foods) then i see no reason not to include some healthy salts like himalayan and good seaweeds such as kelp in the diet.

They both provide some very hard to get and important trace and ultra-trace elements.

They have lots of health benefits. There vegan like you say also.

SueZ Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Unrefined mineral/trace element rich salts such
> as
> > himalayan or celtic sea salt are great within
> the
> > confines of a balanced diet, i haven't seen
> > anything to suggest that they'd "leech" calcium
> > from bones.
> >
> > There sources of calcium and other bone
> supportive
> > minerals such as silica themselves. Infact
> > himalayan salt and trace element rich seaweed
> such
> > as kelp has been great for improving my
> bone/teeth
> > density.
>
> Exactly, and certainly no animals suffer if we
> consume Himalayan salt and seaweed. I've benefited
> greatly since I've added them to my diet.
>
> Incidentally, I have found that my Vitamix has
> no trouble pulverizing raw seaweed into my raw
> soup water so I don't even have to bother to plan
> ahead for soaking time when I make my raw soups.

The vitamix is killing the nutrients

[www.ejuva.com]

"Salt Is VERY toxic to the human body whether it's table, sea, or Himalayan. However, without organic sodium and organic chloride we would dehydrate in a hurry. They serve to keep our body fluids intact. Salt on the other hand is made from two main elements, inorganic Sodium and inorganic Chloride. They are held together by a IONIC BOND making the salt inorganic (lacking a protein molecule), or a dead substance. It will not rot, or decompose. The human body does not possess any enzymes strong enough to break ionic bonds. If the body was able to break the bonds that hold the inorganic elements together death, or at least severe illness would instantly result. This because both Sodium and Chloride in their isolated and inorganic states are deadly toxins to the human body. The misconception is that table salt is the only salt that is bad for human consumption. Many raw leaders promote the use of sea salts or Himalayan salts. These are still inorganic salts, loaded with electrolytes that are 100% dead. They are highly TOXIC to the human body! They are a little cleaner source of salt, if you had to pick one (which you don't) it would be better to have the other salts over table salt. But don't be fooled, they are all VERY toxic."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k36lmMTbz8 - Brian Clement on best type of salt

Minerals aren't typically affected by heat or blending, so i wouldn't worry.

Soups whether raw or not are a great way to increase vegetables in the diet, you can add root vegetables, onions, garlic, greens, fresh culinary herbs which are extremely dense in nutrients and beneficial phyto-chemicals. These are powerful anti-cancer meals with proven research behind there health benefits. Its easy to add a sprinkle of mineral rich salt, herbs, spices and seaweeds to these kind of meals.

However i don't like the vitamix for making soups that much, its pretty cool that it can heat these soups up due to its high speed nature ill give it that. As such it can retain more vitamins than someone who is boiling there soups for long periods. But the texture and consistency is too smoothie like for me.

Butternut squash, root vegetable and pumpkin soups are great with the vitamix though.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2014 06:25PM by powerlifter.

BS.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> [www.ejuva.com]
>
> "Salt Is VERY toxic to the human body whether it's
> table, sea, or Himalayan.

BS.

SueZ Wrote:
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> BS.

This comment was meant for therawpracticalists post. I have tested the oxidation rate of my blended soups against several different juicer's oxidation rates and can not be convinced by your words otherwise.

SueZ Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > BS.
>
> This comment was meant for therawpracticalists
> post. I have tested the oxidation rate of my
> blended soups against several different juicer's
> oxidation rates and can not be convinced by your
> words otherwise.


Blending does destroy a lot of the nutrition.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Minerals aren't typically affected by heat or
> blending, so i wouldn't worry.
>
> Soups whether raw or not are a great way to
> increase vegetables in the diet, you can add root
> vegetables, onions, garlic, greens, fresh culinary
> herbs which are extremely dense in nutrients and
> beneficial phyto-chemicals. These are powerful
> anti-cancer meals with proven research behind
> there health benefits. Its easy to add a sprinkle
> of mineral rich salt, herbs, spices and seaweeds
> to these kind of meals.
>
> However i don't like the vitamix for making soups
> that much, its pretty cool that it can heat these
> soups up due to its high speed nature ill give it
> that. As such it can retain more vitamins than
> someone who is boiling there soups for long
> periods. But the texture and consistency is too
> smoothie like for me.
>
> Butternut squash, root vegetable and pumpkin soups
> are great with the vitamix though.

The only mineral I can think I might be reducing is the Iodine which can vaporize but I'm not worried about that as I ingest around 10 grams of seaweed a day so get enough of that to not have to worry about not getting enough iodine or eating too much kale, etc. I never warm up my soups anyway. No need for that. To each their own, though.

SueZ Wrote:
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> At this point I've seen enough of your
> disingenuous and embarrassingly silly ways to bid
> you ado. If you want to believe you are smart and
> just you can but just keep at the back of your
> mind that not all will be so easily fooled.

well, I wish you well. My last 'advice' for you is to read 'The China Study (pg 95).' Good luck



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SueZ Wrote:
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> Thanks for all the great info you provide,
> Sproutman! Your posts are the main reason I
> started visiting this site.

l am happy you find my posts useful.