Here is the scientific proof that a low fat raw food diet is antiaging. Advance glycation end products ages the body. All vegan raw food, except nuts, oils!, fats, is very low. Animal products (even raw) are high or super high. A low fat raw vegan is what ages the least. Here is the scientific data with the numbers for you to read:

[marshfieldceliac.weebly.com]

"Modern diets are largely heat-processed and as a result
contain high levels of advanced glycation end products
(AGEs). Dietary advanced glycation end products
(dAGEs) are known to contribute to increased oxidant
stress and inflammation, which are linked to the recent
epidemics of diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

Animal-derived foods that are high in fat and protein are
generally AGE-rich and prone to new AGE formation
during cooking. In contrast, carbohydrate-rich foods such
as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and milk contain rel-
atively few AGEs, even after cooking.

Advanced glycation end products (AGEs), also known
as glycotoxins, are a diverse group of highly oxidant
compounds with pathogenic significance in diabetes
and in several other chronic diseases (1-6). AGEs are
created through a nonenzymatic reaction between reduc-
ing sugars and free amino groups of proteins, lipids, or
nucleic acids. This reaction is also known as the Maillard
or browning reaction (7)."

FUNDING/SUPPORT: This work was supported by the
National Institute on Aging (MERIT AG-23188 and AG-
09453) and by the National Institute of Research Re-
sources, MO1-RR-00071, awarded to the General Clinical
Research Center at Mount Sinai School of Medicine.



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Yep, not only AGE's, but polyaromatic hydrocarbons, heterocyclic amines, and acrylamide.

many other substances are carcinogenic (which is also an aging factor)

I'm pretty sure raw, sprouted nuts, despite their fat content, also contain around the same AGE's as fruits and vegetables, which is a very small number.

[biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org]



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you can see the numbers (in the link I posted above) to get an idea:

Almonds, blanched 5,473
Avocado 1,577
Chestnut, raw 2,723
Olive, ripe, large (5 g) 1,670
Oil, olive 11,900
Rice, white 9
Potato, white 17
Banana 9
Cantaloupe 20
Carrots, canned 10
Tomato 23
Juice, orange 0


Double Quarter Pounder With Cheese (McDonald’sd) 6,283
Filet-O-Fish (McDonald’sd) 6,027
Sandwich, cheese melt 5,679
Chips, potato (Frito Lay) 2,883
Chicken, grilled 14,440
Egg, fried 13,670
Steak, pan fried in olive oil 18,150
Tuna, solid white packed in water 4,060

powerlifter Wrote:
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> You do know that long-term fructose consumption
> has been shown to accelerate glycation also.

fruits have phytochemicals and antioxidants that inhibit the glycation process. I think you are mixing the High Corn fructose syrup with whole fruit fructose. They are not the same though they share the word fructose.

Example:

"Pterostilbene is a stilbenoid chemically related to resveratrol and is found in blueberries and grapes. It belongs to the group of phytoalexins, agents produced by plants to fight infections.[1] Based on animal studies it is thought to exhibit anti-cancer, anti-hypercholesterolemia, anti-hypertriglyceridemia properties, as well as the ability to fight off and reverse cognitive decline.[citation needed] It is believed that the compound also has anti-diabetic properties, but so far very little has been studied on this issue.[citation needed]"

PL, why did you not counter my response to you about fructose? for example, the fiber in brown rice (better) balances the sugar effects of white rice (worse). The fiber in fruits balances their sugars. Then you also have the antioxidants that counter the oxidative stress, etc



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Panchito Wrote:
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> powerlifter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You do know that long-term fructose consumption
> > has been shown to accelerate glycation also.
>
> fruits have phytochemicals and antioxidants that
> inhibit the glycation process. I think you are
> mixing the High Corn fructose syrup with whole
> fruit fructose. They are not the same though they
> share the word fructose.
>
> Example:
>
> "Pterostilbene is a stilbenoid chemically related
> to resveratrol and is found in blueberries and
> grapes. It belongs to the group of phytoalexins,
> agents produced by plants to fight infections.[1]
> Based on animal studies it is thought to exhibit
> anti-cancer, anti-hypercholesterolemia,
> anti-hypertriglyceridemia properties, as well as
> the ability to fight off and reverse cognitive
> decline. It is believed that the compound also has
> anti-diabetic properties, but so far very little
> has been studied on this issue."


Panchito,

Pretty much everyone knows that fruit contains a lot of antioxidants and phytochemicals, you're not telling anyone anything they don't know. The problem is when people think they can as much fruit as they want for as long as they want and think that won't be detrimental. Where are you going to get enough EPA/ALA to convert into DHA from mostly fruit? Where are you going to get minerals? Excess fructose consumption will tax your heart and liver.

But don't take MY word for it: [www.health.harvard.edu]

all you need is ALA (2 grams a day like from chia seeds or flax seeds) in a low fat vegan diet. anyway, here is more stuff for this topic:

[en.wikipedia.org]

"The formation and accumulation of advanced glycation endproducts (AGEs) has been implicated in the progression of age-related diseases.[16] AGEs have been implicated in Alzheimer's Disease,[17] cardiovascular disease,[18] and stroke.[19] The mechanism by which AGEs induce damage is through a process called cross-linking that causes intracellular damage and apoptosis.[20] They form photosensitizers in the crystalline lens,[21] which has implications for cataract development.[22] Reduced muscle function is also associated with AGEs.[23]

Pathology

AGEs have a range of pathological effects, such as:[24][25]

Increased vascular permeability.
Inhibition of vascular dilation by interfering with nitric oxide.
Oxidizing LDL.
Binding cells—including macrophage, endothelial, and mesangial—to induce the secretion of a variety of cytokines.
Enhanced oxidative stress.
"

PL, do you know that the longest living person ever was a smoker? Should everybody smoke? If you look at average mediterranean people, they look sick and overweight (too much oil)



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It could be that "way back them," when people had less dietary choices and were poorer, their diet made them live longer (less expensive animal products). But now, mediterranean people look like crap in general. There have been many studies with similar effects. The poor people diet (based on plants) is better than the rich people (more meats) diet. The trick of the mediterranean diet was the omega 6/3 ratio. Forget about the olive oil. Have you read the book "The China Study"?



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Panchito Wrote:
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> all you need is ALA (2 grams a day like from chia
> seeds or flax seeds) in a low fat vegan diet.
> anyway, here is more stuff for this topic:
>
> [en.wikipedia.org]
> d-product#In_other_diseases
>
> "The formation and accumulation of advanced
> glycation endproducts (AGEs) has been implicated
> in the progression of age-related diseases.[16]
> AGEs have been implicated in Alzheimer's
> Disease,[17] cardiovascular disease,[18] and
> stroke.[19] The mechanism by which AGEs induce
> damage is through a process called cross-linking
> that causes intracellular damage and
> apoptosis.[20] They form photosensitizers in the
> crystalline lens,[21] which has implications for
> cataract development.[22] Reduced muscle function
> is also associated with AGEs.[23]
>
> Pathology
>
> AGEs have a range of pathological effects, such
> as:[24][25]
>
> Increased vascular permeability.
> Inhibition of vascular dilation by interfering
> with nitric oxide.
> Oxidizing LDL.
> Binding cells—including macrophage,
> endothelial, and mesangial—to induce the
> secretion of a variety of cytokines.
> Enhanced oxidative stress.
> "


Where is your evidence that 2 grams per day of chia or flax seeds is going to convert enough ALA/EPA into DHA that you NEED? Not all omega-3's are the same and DHA is vital to overall health, and it's not found in plant foods.Also, where is your evidence that these omega-3's are being fully absorbed?



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Panchito Wrote:
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> PL, do you know that the longest living person
> ever was a smoker? Should everybody smoke? If you
> look at average mediterranean people, they look
> sick and overweight (too much oil)


Do you even know what you're talking about?

[www.naturalnews.com]

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Do you even know what you're talking about?

je je. And how many years have you lived there (to see people and eat) to give me a lesson? What you read is for fat people wanting to lose weight. Sure, the mediterranean diet is a better choice than McDonalds. Look at mediterranean TV to see the people and come back from your dreams. hint: I am mediterranean



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Panchito Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do you even know what you're talking about?
>
> je je. And how many years have you lived there (to
> see people and eat) to give me a lesson? What you
> read is for fat people wanting to lose weight.
> Sure, the mediterranean diet is a better choice
> than McDonalds. Look at mediterranean TV to see
> the people and come back from your dreams. hint: I
> am mediterranean


Your ego is going to run you into a lot of problems, health-wise. What we have here is a case of cognitive dissonance. You obviously didn't bother to check out the link, otherwise you would know that the Mediterranean diet fights cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and improves longevity, among others.

[www.naturalnews.com]
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[www.newsmaxhealth.com]

Did you need any more?

“In the 1950s people living in the Mediterranean, especially on the island of Crete, were lean and virtually free of heart disease. Yet over 40 percent of their caloric intake came from fat, primarily olive oil. If we look at the diet they consumed back then, we note that the Cretans ate mostly fruits, vegetables, beans, and some fish. Saturated fat was less than 6 percent of their total fat intake. True, they ate lots of olive oil, but the rest of their diet was exceptional healthy. They also worked hard in the fields, walking about nine miles a day, often pushing a plow or working other manual farm equipment. Americans didn’t take home the message to eat loads of vegetables, beans, and fruits and do loads of exercise; they just accepted that olive oil is a health food.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 41

“Today the people of Crete are fat, just like us. They’re still eating a lot of olive oil, but their consumption of fruits, vegetables, and beans are down. Meat, cheese, and fish are their new staples, and their physical activity level has plummeted. Today, heart disease has skyrocketed and more than half the population of both adults and children in Crete is overweight.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 41

“...Martin Katan...and Walter Willet...concede that the Mediterranean diet is viable only for people who are close to their ideal weight.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 41

“The Mediterranean Diet looked better than ours because of the increased consumption of vegetation, not because of the oil. ...Their diets were better, in spite of the oil consumption, not because of it.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 42

Peace and Love..........John

well, it looks like a case of educated experience against real experience. The diet right now on the mediterranean region is prone to all kind of problems. The trick is that you have to go and live there to see it. If you read a book about an 'ancient' mediterranean diet then that's another thing. When you compare the 'mediterranean diet' to the 'american diet' then it is healthier (overweights versus sea lions) but the ball stops there. They are high in cancer like any other western culture. They are experts at selling stuff. For example, one of the biggest scams ever is the oil from Italy (they bottle the oils from other countries in Italy and call it Italian). And you are welcome to believe what you want and create your expert opinion



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Let’s take a look at the Blue Zones. The one thing all 5 of them have in common is a lot of sun exposure and they all eat very little if any Animal Products. In fact, one of them is here in America and MOST of them do NOT Eat any Animal Products!

[www.oprah.com]
"One thing the blue zones all seem to have is a lot of sun exposure. Of course, the sun gives you the vitamin D that we know is the single most important vitamin deficiency in America," Dr. Oz says. "The sun's doing what the fruits and vegetables are doing—they're protecting your insides."
[www.oprah.com]

[www.oprah.com]
When Dr. Oz and Dan went into a grocery store in Loma Linda, they said it was easy to see why their community has lived such long and healthy lives. "It's full of bins of locally grown beans and nuts," Oprah says. "And aisles of fresh fruits and vegetables.

Normally, eating healthy is thought to be expensive, but the price of foods are relatively inexpensive in Loma Linda because most of their beans and nuts are locally grown and because of how they package the foods. "They sold these in big bins so you didn't pay a lot of money for marketing and for packaging," Dr. Oz says. "It just was the bin."

Because so many residents of Loma Linda are vegans, there is no meat or dairy in their diets, which Dan believes contributes to their health. "You can eat meat, but ... keep it as a sideshow," he says.
[www.oprah.com]

[www.oprah.com]
Home to the longest-living Americans is Loma Linda, California, a town 60 miles east of Los Angeles.

A big part of life in Loma Linda revolves around faith—it's home to 9,000 followers of the Seventh Day Adventist church. The Christian religion emphasizes diet and health and frowns on smoking, drinking and eating meat and processed foods.

Heart surgeon Ellsworth Wareham is a 94-year-old Adventist who can still be found in the operating room. "I think it's important for an individual to have some security and peace in his life. And I get that from believing in a loving, caring God, you see. And so if he's in charge of my life, why sit around and worry? I mean, he takes care of the universe, he can certainly take care of me, so I don't worry."

Dr. Wareham also follows a vegan diet, which means he doesn't eat any meat, milk or eggs. He also spends about 10 hours a week working in his garden. "I've been fortunate, first, but I do try to follow a good lifestyle," he says.
[www.oprah.com]

Peace and Love..........John

look this is a guy that became rich and famous selling and exporting the mediterranean diet to other overweight country. He piles science balls. Surely, he is a true expert at BS because just look at him







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<<<Joel Fuhran is being very narrow sighted here to just look at the olive oil element because its the whole diet which provides the benefits not just the inclusion of olive oil.>>>

Chris, I think you’ve been drinking too much Kombucha Tea and you need to re-read what Dr. Joel Fuhrman wrote because that’s NOT what he says.

“True, they ate lots of olive oil, but the rest of their diet was exceptional healthy.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 41

“The Mediterranean Diet looked better than ours because of the increased consumption of vegetation, not because of the oil. ...Their diets were better, in spite of the oil consumption, not because of it.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 42

“Today the people of Crete are fat, just like us. They’re still eating a lot of olive oil, but their consumption of fruits, vegetables, and beans are down. Meat, cheese, and fish are their new staples, and their physical activity level has plummeted. Today, heart disease has skyrocketed and more than half the population of both adults and children in Crete is overweight.” -Joel Fuhrman, M.D., “Eat to Live” p. 41

Peace and Love..........John

it is like an expert American telling a Japanese how Japan is! The diet did not work on him (the preacher).

look at another educated expert BS:

Sally Fallon

Once again, let’s take a look at the Blue Zone here in America where MOST of them do NOT Eat any Animal Products!

[www.oprah.com]
Because so many residents of Loma Linda are vegans, there is no meat or dairy in their diets, which Dan believes contributes to their health.
[www.oprah.com]

[www.oprah.com]
Dr. Wareham also follows a vegan diet, which means he doesn't eat any meat, milk or eggs.
[www.oprah.com]

Peace and Love..........John

the mediterranean diet is so fup that it is hard to explain how it became a symbol of health. You have the milk, the cheese, the yogurts, the olive oil every where, the sausages, the deserts, the breakfast bun, the icecream, little fruits, tiny salads, bread everywhere with anything, big killer holiday menus, etc. It is not healthy period. The worse part is that mediterranean people belief their own @#$%& but never thought to look in the mirror. With all that oil you'll be @#$%& as if you were literally oiled inside. That is the true mediterranean diet. Everything else is fantasy made up to look good.



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Once again, let’s take a look at the Blue Zone here in America where MOST of them do NOT Eat any Animal Products!

[www.oprah.com]
Because so many residents of Loma Linda are vegans, there is no meat or dairy in their diets, which Dan believes contributes to their health.
[www.oprah.com]

[www.oprah.com]
Dr. Wareham also follows a vegan diet, which means he doesn't eat any meat, milk or eggs.
[www.oprah.com]

Checkmate!!!

Peace and Love..........John

Panchito Wrote:
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> the mediterranean diet is so fup that it is hard
> to explain how it became a symbol of health. You
> have the milk, the cheese, the yogurts, the olive
> oil every where, the sausages, the deserts, the
> breakfast bun, the icecream, little fruits, tiny
> salads, etc. It is not what healthy period. With
> all that oil you'll be @#$%& as if you were
> literally oiled inside. That is the true
> mediterranean diet. Everything else is fantasy
> made up to look good.

Lol half of these foods don't even feature on a healthy mediterranean diet.

"literally oiled inside you say"

You've been listening to too much Doug Graham and the likes of Durianrider. The right type of fats are very supportive of cardiovascular health, infact essential and beneficial in the right quantities and that isn't 10% fat intake im afraid according to studies.

Even John agrees with that.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> You've been listening to too much Doug Graham and
> the likes of Durianrider.


Dude I CAME from a mediterranean diet So what are going to teach me next?

We ought to make a difference between the diet BEFORE and the diet AFTER modern life. In Africa it is the same problem. Where there was physical activity, daily work at the farm now most are eating with no activity no exercise.
People are getting fat with all of the associated health problems.
It is not just the diet, the food, it is the lifestyle.

exactly. Many people are not aware that at in the early 1900s, there were big economical problems in europe, the wars etc. Their diet was NOT like now. They rellied on cheap stuff (plant based) to get by and with little calories (they were much skinnier back then). It was as if they were in a calorie restricted diet and they did not have these supermarkets except maybe in the big capitals. They could barely get by with food. The story is very different back then than now. They ate little because thats all they could eat. Now they pig out.



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The Mediterranean diet has been proven time and time again to have a tremendous amount of health benefits. That being said, a well-planned raw vegan diet is still optimal. Key words being well-planned. Being a fruitarian is not a well-planned raw vegan diet.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> The Mediterranean diet has been proven time and
> time again to have a tremendous amount of health
> benefits. That being said, a well-planned raw
> vegan diet is still optimal. Key words being
> well-planned. Being a fruitarian is not a
> well-planned raw vegan diet.


And what is a well-planned raw vegan diet?