Hi guys, I have read about raw food&body cleanses eliminating scar tissue. That is very inspiring.
The thing is, that I have hypertrophic scars on my face - on my nose to be more precise. 5 years ago, I had cystic pimple on my nose, it left raised scar. 3 years ago, I tried to get rid of it, dermatologist suggested microdermabrasion to me, nurse made a mistake and left me with another scar on my nose, it too was hypertrophic.
4 months ago, I applied kelo-cote on scar, and it only made it worse (more raised and wider). 1 month ago I started massaging castor oil into scar, and it made scar both worse and better, that scared me a little bit, so I tried to not let it get anywhere else. I applied it only on scar, but massaged it with qtip, that was a huge mistake, I probably pressed slightly harder or something. Long story short- I made scar both more raised and wider.


I think it is time to change my lifestyle, I need to improve my health internally first, to promote healing of my skin. I am new to raw diet, I do not know where to begin. Could anyone please guide me, what to eat and when, how many times,etc.? And I would like to ask, which foods/supplements should I take, and what cleanses should I do to promote healing of my skin?
Has anyone of you had any success in eliminating scars through diet? Thank you.

Thank you, I have been taking serraptase in higher doses for one month, unfortunately it did not do anything for my scar tissue. I have a bad diet to be honest, and probably absorption of nutrients in my body is worse as well.
I believe I need to change my diet drastically and start cleansing my body.

Thank you for your suggestion, may I ask, how would the diet look exactly? Is there anything you advice me to do/use/read before starting the diet?

Yep, I have been taking serrapeptase on empty stomach, about 600 000 iU a day. Around 450 000 € iU in the morning and rest in the evening on empty stomach as well. I have also been taking Nattokinase at the same time.

At the time you were eating Raw food diet, what exactly did you eat? What books/websites have you read about the diet and where have you learned about it? Thanks.

I don't know how deep your scars are but I would also try raw cucumber and lime or lemon juice on the face. It is very effective.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> the diet i loosely
> follow now, which gave results is Dr Lawrence
> Wilsons nutritional balancing diet.

from [www.drlwilson.com]

"The diet also includes some animal quality protein daily, a little raw dairy products, and some whole grains, but not wheat and spelt. Slow oxidizers need more complex carbohydrates, while fast oxidizers must substitute more fats and oil for most of the carbohydrates. The diet excludes all fruit, all fruit juices, all smoothies, sweets, wheat, soy, and chemicalized foods. However, 10-12 ounces of carrot juice only is strongly recommended."

That must be one of the dumbest diet ever and one of the worst recommendation on this forum. It introduces known carcinogens (meat, bateria byproduct, etc), dairy! (spikes of strogen from pregnant cows boosting cancer promotion again), and removes the fruits (the known dietary sources of antixidants, anticancer, etc). What a quack. All these statements can be proved and are based on science.

Go Here if you want to be saved: [nutritionfacts.org] and search for the damaging effects of meat, dairy, or the benefits of fruits



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> The proof is in the pudding . The majority of
> his diet is based around vegetables anyway, he
> recommends 80% of the slow oxidizer diet to come
> from vegetables.
>

but introducing meat and dairy pretty much eliminates the benefits of a low protein diet (the china study). Given the conditions of the world in general, and the knowledge gained through science, recommending those two things And eliminating fruit is dumb no matter how much 'moderation' coat you apply.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

> Ironic considering diets that contain these animal
> foods such as mediterranean diet have 10 times the
> scientific research proving there longevity and
> cardiovascular disease prevention benefits.

not from cancer. Go and read The Chnia Study and come back.

> Reducing fruit intake especially sweet high GI
> fruits isn't dumb if you have fructose intolerance
> or blood sugar regulation issues, carbohydrate
> intolerance etc. Or dysbiosis/candida'gut flora
> imbalances, these foods all feed on high sugar
> diets.
>

Sure, nobody argues that. But most people don't have problems with sugar metabolism. Your statement only applies to a very small percentage of the population. So your diet applies to people with a metabolic disease not the general population. There are no sutudies saying that fructose is bad. You only hear that from people on a fat diet that have their sugar metabolism not functional because of the high fat. Fructose is supposed to be converted to glucose. If your liver cannot do that then you have a disease. All healthy cultures through history relly on sugar glucose (starches, etc). Basing a diet on a diesase is not a good idea for the general population because in the long term it has detrimental effects (like eliminating the benefits of phytochemicals in fruit).



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looks like D Wilson changes hats depending on the circunstances but his choices are terrible and based on ignorance.

the quote above was from the Vegetable Diet on his page

This quote is from the Fast Oxidizer Diet (which is 100 times worse) [drlwilson.com] :

"Protein. Eat some high-quality protein twice or three times daily. Most protein needs to be of animal source, such as lamb, chicken, turkey, soft-cooked eggs and preferably raw dairy products such as cheese and yogurt. Avoid all vegetarian diets and avoid raw food diets. Do not eat fish or shellfish (seafood) except for up to 3 or 4 cans of sardines weekly. Most food from the sea is highly contaminated with mercury and other toxic metals today. Avoid all vegetarian diets. Read about vegetarian diets.

Fat and oils. You must have some fat or oils with each meal. The reasons for this are somewhat complex, and are explained in the article on this site entitled Acetates, Fats, Alcohol and Fast Oxidation. This need, and the restriction of dietary sugars of all types, has to do with balancing all of the steps in the glycolysis and citric acid energy pathways or cycles."


And this is from his Slow Oxidizing diet plan (terrible, pure quack probably based on his personal feelings and hand picking of information) [drlwilson.com] :

"Protein. Eat some high-quality protein twice or three times daily. Most protein needs to be of animal source, such as lamb, chicken, turkey, soft-cooked eggs and preferably raw dairy products such as cheese and yogurt. Avoid all vegetarian diets and avoid raw food diets. Do not eat fish or shellfish (seafood) except for up to 3 or 4 cans of sardines weekly. Most food from the sea is highly contaminated with mercury and other toxic metals today. Avoid all vegetarian diets. Read about vegetarian diets.

Fat and oils. Fat intake should be low – perhaps up to two tablespoons daily.

Carbohydrates or starches. Eat complex carbohydrate such as whole grains and starchy vegetables. However, avoid all wheat and spelt products.

Sweets and fruit. AVOID ALL sugars and all things sweet, including fruit. Fruit is too yin, too sugary and upsets blood sugar.

Avoid fermented foods except for cheeses, yogurt and kefir, as these have less toxic aldehydes in them. Avoid all soy foods today, as they are very hybridized and less healthful."



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Panchito Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > but introducing meat and dairy pretty much
> > eliminates the benefits of a low protein diet
> (the
> > china study). Given the conditions of the world
> in
> > general, and the knowledge gained through
> science,
> > recommending those two things And eliminating
> > fruit is dumb no matter how much 'moderation'
> coat
> > you apply.
>
> Ironic considering diets that contain these animal
> foods such as mediterranean diet have 10 times the
> scientific research proving there longevity and
> cardiovascular disease prevention benefits than
> any vegan diet does. The high sugar raw diet that
> you are promoting i.e 80/10/10 has zero scientific
> research validating its safety or if it even has
> any health benefits. Just because you binge on
> fruit doesn't mean your diet is healthy or
> balanced.
>
> Reducing fruit intake especially sweet high GI
> fruits isn't dumb if you have fructose intolerance
> or blood sugar regulation issues, carbohydrate
> intolerance etc. Or dysbiosis/candida/gut flora
> imbalances, these issues all feed on high sugar
> diets and most of these individuals thus don't
> tolerate carbohydrates well.
>


There's no evidence to suggest that the animal foods in the Mediterranean diet are responsible for any of the diet's overall health benefits. The diet is very rich in fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and olive oil... all of which have tremendous disease-preventing abilities. Animal foods (especially toxin-laden fish) could very likely be hurting their progress.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> There's no evidence to suggest that the animal
> foods in the Mediterranean diet are responsible
> for any of the diet's overall health benefits. The
> diet is very rich in fruits, vegetables, nuts,
> seeds, and olive oil... all of which have
> tremendous disease-preventing abilities. Animal
> foods (especially toxin-laden fish) could very
> likely be hurting their progress.

LOL erm yeah there is, one of the most focused aspects in regards to the Mediterranean diets cardiovascular disease prevention benefits has been on the oily fish and there respective rich omega-3 content.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > There's no evidence to suggest that the animal
> > foods in the Mediterranean diet are responsible
> > for any of the diet's overall health benefits.
> The
> > diet is very rich in fruits, vegetables, nuts,
> > seeds, and olive oil... all of which have
> > tremendous disease-preventing abilities. Animal
> > foods (especially toxin-laden fish) could very
> > likely be hurting their progress.
>
> LOL erm yeah there is, one of the most focused
> aspects in regards to the Mediterranean diets
> cardiovascular disease prevention benefits has
> been on the oily fish and there respective rich
> omega-3 content.


Right, and along with those omega-3's come mercury and other poisons that damage the brain and body. You are aware that the body can convert ALA into EPA/DHA, right? And we all know that many plant-based foods are extremely rich in ALA. Not to mention, studies have shown that vegans have similar DHA levels as fish eaters.

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[www.vegsource.com]



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Heh,thanks for the suggestions .


Soo, long story short: which diet is best for scar reduction/elimination?

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Right, and along with those omega-3's come
> mercury
> > and other poisons that damage the brain and
> body.
> > You are aware that the body can convert ALA
> into
> > EPA/DHA, right? And we all know that many
> > plant-based foods are extremely rich in ALA.
> Not
> > to mention, studies have shown that vegans have
> > similar DHA levels as fish eaters.
> >
> > [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
> >
> [www.vegsource.com]
>
> >
> -have-more-dha-and-omega-3-than-fish-eaters.html
>
> Correction one study showed comparable DHA levels
> and yes ive read it before, because its the
> singular study every vegan pulls out to suggest
> that its a void issue. There is certainly much
> more studies showing low DHA status in vegetarians
> and vegans.
>
> Vegans' elevated heart risk requires omega-3s and
> B12, study suggests -
> [www.sciencedaily.com]
> 2082307.htm
>
> The body can convert a very small amount of ALA
> to EPA/DHA. Which is why vegetarians and vegans
> have shown in multiple studies to be low in
> pre-formed essential fatty acids such as EPA and
> DHA. What if for any reason your body is poorly
> converting ALA to these fatty acids, then what do
> you do without adequate dietary intake ?
>
> We have to stay current with the times and yes all
> seafood is now contaminated to some degree
> including sea vegetables with toxic metals. Which
> is why it is very important which foods we choose
> here, those low in the food chain which feed
> solely on plankton such as sardines accumulate
> very little toxic metals, whilst providing a
> number of benefits such as 100% of the RDA for
> vitamin b12, bioavailable source of calcium and
> selenium, rich in DNA/RNA, obviously the rich
> omega-3 content and much more, which eliminate
> many of the common vegan diet problems such as B12
> deficiency, low zinc, lack of preformed essential
> fatty acids such as EPA/DHA etc.
>
> Kelp is the best choice of seaweed because it
> contains a type of fiber called alginate which
> binds to any small toxic metal content and renders
> it useless to the body, also increases
> detoxification of these toxic metals.
>
> Anyway this isn't the thread to debate veganism,
> sorry for the off topic posts salenai.
>


Not all vegan diets are the same, many don't consume enough ALA. Recent scientific evidence proves that DHA levels are similar in vegans and fish-eaters. Only difference is vegans don't intake toxins (more than heavy metals) and have rotting flesh running through their body, putrefying their colon. And if you eat them cooked, you create even more toxins.

Many people are deficient in vitamin B12, regardless of diet (http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2000/000802.htm). Why? Our soil has been destroyed by chemicals, pesticides, sewage, pollution, etc... which is where B12 is obtained. Best thing to do is to supplement with a high-quality source, avoiding the damages that would be obtained from animal products and the process of cooking.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> You do realize food doesn't purtrify or "rot"
> unless you have low stomach acid and digestive
> problems ?. If food is putrefying then you have a
> digestive issue going on, probably related to low
> stomach acid levels and gut flora imbalances. You
> do realize unless you are eating 100% organic food
> then you are ingesting massive amounts of chemical
> toxins and pesticides from your plantfoods anyway
> ?
>
> Again one singular study and its the Framingham,
> Mass one which took a mere 3000 individuals from
> the same area and only hinted that if the
> implications were the same then b12 levels might
> be lower than we think regardless of diet.
>
> However there could be any number of reasons those
> from the Framingham, Mass area had lower B12
> levels. It certainly doesn't detract from the
> wealth of the scientific evidence out there which
> concludes that vegetarians and vegans regularly
> show lower than normal B12 levels or deficiency.
> Or prove that the world is deficient in this
> nutrient.
>
> Now whilst Vitamin B12 is a water soluble vitamin,
> so excess is generally just removed through
> urine/peed out anyway. But that doesn't mean we
> should all start supplementing here, there is
> certainly no reason to supplement with B12 if you
> consume B12 rich foods. The majority of the world
> has no problems with maintaining B12 levels, it
> still is largely a vegan problem outwidth the
> elderly and ill, which is mostly an absorption
> related issue.
>
> Supplements should be tailored to a diet and
> individuals needs, to suggest we all need B12
> supplements is completely laughable because like i
> say the majority of studies find that its just
> vegetarians and vegans who suffer from low levels
> of this nutrient, outwidth like i say those
> suffering from absorption/intestinal related
> disorders.
>


Actually, because meat takes a long time to digest, it putrefies in the colon and begins to coat the walls of the intestines. We're physiologically herbivorous and have long intestines to fully absorb nutrients from plants and to fully digest plant matter. High levels of fish oil are also linked to prostate cancer. [jnci.oxfordjournals.org]

Obviously I know about pesticides in plant-foods and do only eat organically grown produce. Vegans may have lower B12 levels than others but many others are still getting very low levels of B12. The problem isn't a vegan diet, it's that our main source of B12 (soil) is significantly depleted in nutrients.



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salenai Wrote:
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> Heh,thanks for the suggestions .
>
>
> Soo, long story short: which diet is best for scar
> reduction/elimination?

I would try to increase the blood flow to the skin by adding some cayenne pepper in your foods. Also some rich foods in biotin (vit b7 aka vit H). Exercise. Never tried the serrapeptase myself bu I hear it works in some cases.

A bacteria byproduct called TMAO (from animal sources) is responsible for hearth disease among many other things (like saturated fats). This product is in the meat even before cooking it. Cooking it does not destroy it or clean it. Meat also promotes cancer. Animal protein is more dangerous than carcinogens. It is when cancer growth is promoted by animal protein that it appears and fools the immune system.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Just because meat takes longer to digest doesn't
> mean that putrefaction occurs in healthy
> indivduals. Putrefaction dysbiosis is the result
> of a lack of stomach acid, gut flora imbalances
> and overall digestive dysfunction.
>



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Of course its a vegan diet problem, the issue is
> directly related to a lack of dietary vitamin B12
> intake as the studies show.
>
> We are physiologically omnivorous regarding
> anatomy, not the anatomy of a strict herbivore but
> also not of a strict carnivore either. The fact we
> have certain digestive enzymes to break down these
> foods, says more than enough that humans are
> omnivores.
>
> Intestinal tracts not as long or compartments like
> strict herbivores but also not as short as strict
> carnivores.
>
> Just because meat takes longer to digest doesn't
> mean that putrefaction occurs in healthy
> indivduals. Putrefaction dysbiosis is the result
> of a lack of stomach acid, gut flora imbalances
> and overall digestive dysfunction.
>


It's not a vegan issue, it's an environmental issue, which is why many consumers of animal products are also deficient in B12. B12 comes from the soil, plants are grown in soil... now why would we originally need to get B12 from animals?



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > It's not a vegan issue, it's an environmental
> > issue, which is why many consumers of animal
> > products are also deficient in B12. B12 comes
> from
> > the soil, plants are grown in soil... now why
> > would we originally need to get B12 from
> animals?
>
> Except these animal foods eaters according to the
> wealth of scientific studies we have available
> aren't scoring low or deficient on vitamin B12,
> unless in cases of intestinal absorption problems
> such a lack of intrinsic factor such as with the
> elderly or ill.
>
> This will be my last reply in this thread in
> fairness to the original poster. Make another
> thread if you want to debate veganism.
>


Answer the question or you automatically concede defeat. Why would we originally need to get B12 from animals when the only natural source is soil?



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Who says the natural source of B12 is soil ?, you and Doug Graham ? Dirty soil grown veggies won't save you, plenty of people grow there own foods and its no compensation to consuming adequate dietary vitamin B12 intake is it ?.

Or the other number of crazy theories to get enough vitamn B12, stand in dirt, play with our pets, eat animal @#$%& or any of the other strange vitamin B12 vegan theories we often hear about ?.

There is a reason why relatives of human beings died and became extinct on strict herbivore vegan diets, because it wasn't enough to sustain there health at the end of the day was it ?.

You couldn't exactly tell these people to go the health store and buy some B12 supplements or taurine supplements and microalgaes omega-3s which were created just few years ago lol.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Who says the natural source of B12 is soil ?, you
> and Doug Graham ? Dirty soil grown veggies won't
> save you, plenty of people grow there own foods
> and its no compensation to consuming adequate
> dietary vitamin B12 intake is it ?.
>
> Or the other number of crazy theories to get
> enough vitamn B12, stand in dirt, play with our
> pets, eat animal @#$%& or any of the other strange
> vitamin B12 vegan theories we often hear about ?.
>
> There is a reason why relatives of human beings
> died and became extinct on strict herbivore vegan
> diets, because it wasn't enough to sustain there
> health at the end of the day was it ?.
>
> You couldn't exactly tell these people to go the
> health store and buy some B12 supplements or
> taurine supplements and microalgaes omega-3s which
> were created just few years ago lol.


LOL are you being serious? You're trying to deny that soil is where B12 originates? This is basic common knowledge. Where do you think animals get B12 from? B12 is not technically a vitamin, it is a bacteria that lives in soil and animals get this from eating plants grown in that soil.

[en.wikipedia.org]

"Neither fungi, plants, nor animals are capable of producing vitamin B12. Only bacteria and archaea have the enzymes required for its synthesis, although many foods are a natural source of B12 because of bacterial symbiosis."

[articles.mercola.com]

"Microorganisms, primarily bacteria, are the only known organisms that manufacture B12. These bacteria often live in bodies of water and soil. Animals get B12 by eating food and soil contaminated with these microorganisms. These bacteria also live inside animals' digestive tracts."

So with that being said... Why would we originally need to get B12 from animals when the only natural source is soil?



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