SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Now listen to this video from 0:00 – 2:00.
> It
> > talks about how eating three week old fruit and
> > veggies is rubbish because the electromagnetic
> > frequency has almost gone (it looks like Dr
> Hunt
> > tested this). That’s why the natural hygiene
> > diet kills you. This is why sprouts are the
> best,
> > it’s fresh. WOW!!!
> > Also listen to the video from 4:20 - 5:55 .
> Sea
> > vegetables have the unique cell structure to
> hold
> > onto the nutrients and have a very high
> > electromagnetic frequency.
>
>
> > We can also test the sea weeds. These sea weeds
> > are not fresh, but they contain a special
> energy
> > each time you have them. It is not just the
> > nutrients in the sea weed doing this, why?
> and it looks
> > like Dr Clement and Dr Hunt is correct in that
> > these special water plant foods (sea weeds) have
> a
> > unique cellular structure that keeps the
> > electrical frequency in tact for 2 years,
> where-as
> > plant based foods don’t. That’s my
> experience
> > exactly.
>
>
>
> Plant enzymes can be preserved for years so
> long as the food is properly dehydrated. It's
> leaving the water content in them too long which
> kills the enzymes and causes the energy problems
> then rot. Dehydrate them properly and they will
> still be very nutritious, enzymes and all, for
> years and decades and even centuries if you want
> to take it into the realm of an art form.
>
> For heaven sakes, really, the reason seaweed
> stays good for longer is because of the salt in
> the oceans it grows in that clings and desiccates
> the seaweeds when they are hung to dry. If seaweed
> was kept wet in a bag in your fridge it would lose
> it's nutrition just as quickly as any other water
> rich veggie - probably faster.
>
>
>
> > . Imo, it is not the vitamins, minerals and
> > phyto chemicals which is sustaining us, it is
> the
> > electrical frequencies they attract.
>
>
> Sure physics trumps biology, if that's what
> you're saying, but if channels are blocked or
> destroyed from the mineral kingdom on up through
> all the kingdoms it doesn't matter that we are
> embedded in a sea of living electrical
> frequencies, does it? And that is exactly what's
> happening.
>
> We can't be more conductive by smiling or
> wishing really hard upon a star that we could be
> more conductive, IMO. These "law of attraction"
> and "abundance" new age mantras really are getting
> on my nerves. Not that having a good attitude
> isn't useful to attaining health.

I can't see any reason why seed sprouts shouldn't be able to retain most of their value if dehydrated properly, too. Doing that would solve a lot of problems for sproutarians with getting enough food down more easily and eating on the go.

Anyone tried that yet?



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It is highly important we stop these `dumb meters'.

Co-founder of my site Mr Kearns does not have one either. The companies have threatened him with legal action and have tried to illegally increase his power bill dramatically with false and unlawful claims, but he has come out a winner each time. They have tried everything to get a meter installed in his home, but he wins trumphantly each and every time. He knows the law, he keeps detailed records...he is as anti smart meter as you would ever meet. He has all the finest electronic gadgets to measuring multiple sound frequency waves on microwaves, remote controls, cordless phones, smart meters etc, and he has found solutions to everything. He used to work as an electronic expert and is well aware of what they are doing, and he has contacts. They are setting a dangerous frequency wave on these devices on purpose. When he rides his bike or drives his eyes are always looking out for cell phone towers, and he is often in the street with his fancy devices measuring stuff. He is a one-of-a-kind...he has even hooked his house up so he uses virtually no power at all, and he has all type of things in his house to stop radiation from neighbouring houses. He is the most amazing man l have ever known.

When Mr Kearns brings out the legal talk and paperwork, the companies are quick to back down. He has them over a barrel. He lives on the sprouts too...hardly eats anything....he is not a mere mortal by any means, he is like this super being....very awake and very spiritually powerful.

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> I can't see any reason why seed sprouts
> shouldn't be able to retain most of their value if
> dehydrated properly, too. Doing that would solve a
> lot of problems for sproutarians with getting
> enough food down more easily and eating on the
> go.
>
> Anyone tried that yet?


From what l can gather, there are various enzymes that are more vunerable to dehydrating at the lower temperitures, and they can be inactivated. I feel it is best to avoid dehydrating if you can. I will try and find some science on this another day, but it may be hard to find because mainstream science is only beginning to recognise the greatness of food enzymes.


Mr Kearns also suggests using alternative search engines and to avoid google at all costs. Google is said to be an intelligent hostile entity that can track all our movements, but using alternative search engines helps keep their prying eyes away. All of my serach engines have been wiped out since l had my computers fixed, but l shall upload them again soon. Can't remember what they are and can't find any references in my written notes.

Even the mobile phones has programs that undesirables can break into and see what room your child sleeps in, what they look like, their address and everything about their life. Best to avoid the modern technology.



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> From what l can gather, there are various enzymes
> that are more vunerable to dehydrating at the
> lower temperitures, and they can be inactivated.

But really seed sprouts are so easily air dried without heat and will make a very compact package to fit in your bug out bag when you get scared enough to go off grid. Don't forget to put a band aide over your laptop's camera.


> Mr Kearns also suggests using alternative search
> engines and to avoid google at all costs. Google
> is said to be an intelligent hostile entity that........


Well the good news is that the storage of all this spy on us crap, that we paid for, is dependent on mega gallons of water a day to keep their computers cooled down so all that has to be done is shut off the tap. And that is already in the works by the local municipalities from what I've read.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From what l can gather, there are various
> enzymes
> > that are more vunerable to dehydrating at the
> > lower temperitures, and they can be
> inactivated.
>
> But really seed sprouts are so easily air dried
> without heat and will make a very compact package
> to fit in your bug out bag when you get scared
> enough to go off grid. Don't forget to put a band
> aide over your laptop's camera.
>
>
> > Mr Kearns also suggests using alternative
> search
> > engines and to avoid google at all costs.
> Google
> > is said to be an intelligent hostile entity
> that........
>
>
> Well the good news is that the storage of all
> this spy on us crap, that we paid for, is
> dependent on mega gallons of water a day to keep
> their computers cooled down so all that has to be
> done is shut off the tap. And that is already in
> the works by the local municipalities from what
> I've read.


People can actually hack into your laptop camera lens, it's happened to me before. I got a virus on my computer once and whoever hacked my CPU put up a warning and it said I had to pay to unlock my computer. In the upper left-hand corner was a picture of me staring at my computer.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > From what l can gather, there are various
> > enzymes
> > > that are more vunerable to dehydrating at the
> > > lower temperitures, and they can be
> > inactivated.
> >
> > But really seed sprouts are so easily air
> dried
> > without heat and will make a very compact
> package
> > to fit in your bug out bag when you get scared
> > enough to go off grid. Don't forget to put a
> band
> > aide over your laptop's camera.
> >
> >
> > > Mr Kearns also suggests using alternative
> > search
> > > engines and to avoid google at all costs.
> > Google
> > > is said to be an intelligent hostile entity
> > that........
> >
> >
> > Well the good news is that the storage of
> all
> > this spy on us crap, that we paid for, is
> > dependent on mega gallons of water a day to
> keep
> > their computers cooled down so all that has to
> be
> > done is shut off the tap. And that is already
> in
> > the works by the local municipalities from what
> > I've read.
>
>
> People can actually hack into your laptop camera
> lens, it's happened to me before. I got a virus on
> my computer once and whoever hacked my CPU put up
> a warning and it said I had to pay to unlock my
> computer. In the upper left-hand corner was a
> picture of me staring at my computer.

That hasn't happened to me. Maybe that's because I've always covered the lenses of my laptops with a band aide. Ya gotta keep up with these things to protect yourself.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > From what l can gather, there are various
> > > enzymes
> > > > that are more vunerable to dehydrating at
> the
> > > > lower temperitures, and they can be
> > > inactivated.
> > >
> > > But really seed sprouts are so easily air
> > dried
> > > without heat and will make a very compact
> > package
> > > to fit in your bug out bag when you get
> scared
> > > enough to go off grid. Don't forget to put a
> > band
> > > aide over your laptop's camera.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mr Kearns also suggests using alternative
> > > search
> > > > engines and to avoid google at all costs.
> > > Google
> > > > is said to be an intelligent hostile entity
> > > that........
> > >
> > >
> > > Well the good news is that the storage of
> > all
> > > this spy on us crap, that we paid for, is
> > > dependent on mega gallons of water a day to
> > keep
> > > their computers cooled down so all that has
> to
> > be
> > > done is shut off the tap. And that is already
> > in
> > > the works by the local municipalities from
> what
> > > I've read.
> >
> >
> > People can actually hack into your laptop
> camera
> > lens, it's happened to me before. I got a virus
> on
> > my computer once and whoever hacked my CPU put
> up
> > a warning and it said I had to pay to unlock my
> > computer. In the upper left-hand corner was a
> > picture of me staring at my computer.
>
> That hasn't happened to me. Maybe that's because
> I've always covered the lenses of my laptops with
> a band aide. Ya gotta keep up with these things to
> protect yourself.


It's been covered ever since.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> The case l have against veggies is more than what
> people may realise. Nutrient chelation is a key
> factor, and vegetables have a much lower level of
> this factor for various reasons. In time much will
> be said and presented about many many things
> regarding sprouts v's veggies.
>
> The science also says that it is not the total
> amount of nutrients a food has that is of key
> importance, it's the bioavailability of those
> nutrients. So when we get good nutrient foods with
> bioavailability we come out with a winner of very
> high standing.
>
> The potential for nutrient synergy, the chelation
> factors, the fiber etc all play a part. Carrot
> science is fascinating (a nasty old food), but
> when we chelate nutrients via enzymatic
> production, combine with high oil content foods,
> break down fibers via bacterias etc we can have a
> winner of a food instead of a partial loser.

How can we unlock the nutrients in carrots?

It would appear that people only like to answer those questions that are comfortable, and ignore those practical issues raised here.

no point in engaging with people who Are biased and deny reality.

Commonsense raw:

I will talk about carrots later. But in a nut shell, you can add a sprouted seed ferment when having carrots. The oil of the seeds will grteatly increase beta carotene absorption and the ferment will help break down the anti nutrients in the carrot so things like iron, calcium, and zinc are better absorbed.

I remember a great study showing that a fermented carrot increased beta carotene and iron absorption over 600% (not that l would be wasting ferments on dubious carrots). + hopefully the fermented seeds would help break down dissacharide sugars and the tough fibers in the carrot.


Here is just a short little thing on carrots, but l will present some good carrot science another day.

Carotenoids (need for enzymes and fats for better digestion etc)
In general, the bioavailability of carotenoids has been estimated to vary from 10% in raw, uncooked vegetables to 50% in oil and commercial products (Deming and Erdman 1999). Even when extracted from the food matrix, the bioavailability of carotenoids may be very low as revealed by in vivo studies of capsanthin and capsorubin from paprika oleoresin (Perez-Galvez and others 2003). Since carotenoids are hydrophobic their absorption depends not only on the release from the food matrix but also on the subsequent solubilization by bile acids and digestive enzymes, culminating in their incorporation into micelles. For this reason dietary lipids have been considered to be important cofactors for carotenoid biovailability, particularly in carotenoid-rich fruits that are low in lipids.

In addition Zhou and others (1996) suggested that the food matrix, probably pectin-like fibers, and the crystalline form of carotenoids in carrot chromoplasts were the primary factors that reduced the relative bioavailability of carotenoids from carrot juice (so-called “incomplete release”)

So yes, either a fermented sprouted seed paste with carrots, or a digestive enzyme/probiotics, or to ferment the carrot (a waste of ferment really). Even carrot juice is dubious and still keeps nutrients locked more than they should be. If anything, carrots would make a good flavour enhancer, but relying on them as a major food is a dubious practise imo.

Note: the food matrix is the structure of the carrot...the fiber and it's anti nutrients in the fiber.


More on electrical frequency

Here is another experiment we can do. A top horticulture man (Micheal Bergonzi) blended water for 1 minute, let it cool and then watered house plants with the blended water. After one month the house plants died.

He also microwaved water, let it cool and watered house plants for one month. Same thing, the house plants died.

What does this tell us? It tells us alot imo. It tells us that blending/microwaving alters electrical frequency that is not conductive to thriving. That's why blending is always a compromise and will never achieve the levels of health that could be. When you have organ damage, Dr Clement reports that his patients never properly heal of blended foods (blended over 1 minute), and my experience was that l never healed on blended food either until l started juicing (juicing doesn't alter the electrical frequency).

Interesting stuff.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2014 09:12PM by The Sproutarian Man.

To me...why would anyone eat things like vegetables when they are quite tough. For eg, a mature broccoli vegetable v's broccoli sprouts? Chewy/stringy Celery v's the sprout?

Vegetables = the tough old brutes
Sprouts = the baby plants that are all tender and soft.

To me, intuitively, a human would go for the softer less tough/woody types of vegetables. Why would anyone want to eat a carrot when it is like wood lol?

When you do the sprouts right thay can almost melt in your mouth. But when you chew on vegetables you can chew and chew seemingly for a long time because the fiber is so tough and sometimes stringy (see the carrot quotes above...that carrot matrix is a major problem). I say to soften that matrix up, use the digestive enzymes in the baby plant and score a home run with it's extra goodies. Why let big woody brutes get all the goodies when we can have them instead?

If you are going to eat brutes, don't let them call the shots, at least take control over the tough guys and call the shots. Break down their matrix, break down their anti nutrients, reduce their runaway sugars...strip `em down...take away their hardwear...make them do what you want them to do...take control. Who is the boss, you or the brutes? We have a raw food society who are run by brutes, and if you are run by brutes the chances are that they will chew you up and spit you out and rub your face in the dirt so you are begging for mercy.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2014 09:34PM by The Sproutarian Man.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I was asked which links provide the nightmare.
> Here they are, well worth the listen.
>
>
>
> The Cooking of Humanity
> Quite an impressive man, he tries to be very
> careful not to verge on conspiracy.
>
>
> [www.youtube.com]
>
>
> But the nightmare kicks into high gear with these
> next two video. Try not to get scared, just do
> something about it. The lady below shows various
> supposed secret government documents we might be
> able to find also.
>
> Deborah Tavares - Smart Meters at Oathkeeperss
> Meeting
>
> [www.youtube.com]
>
>
> DeborahTavares Refuse Smart Meters Conference 2012
>
> It gets funny from 7 - 10 mins, but it kicks into
> high gear after that. Debras tone might make your
> teeth chatter. I don't get scared ever these days,
> but this made me scared. Sometimes the `so
> called' truth can be hard to handle. I do believe
> this lady may well be telling the truth. I bet
> John Rose got scared too. I bet jtprindl might get
> scared too. I bet nearly everyone will get scared
> when they listen to this lady.
>
> [www.youtube.com]


It is a bit mind-boggling to say the least, the kind of control these devices allow the "powers that be" to have is disturbing. I had heard about smart meters before but never really anything in-depth. Did I miss anything other than they are zapping you, collecting all your information, have the ability to watch you in all rooms of your house, and can target individuals via microwaves and put thoughts into their mind? I get everything else but how can they watch you?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2014 10:12PM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was asked which links provide the nightmare.
> > Here they are, well worth the listen.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Cooking of Humanity
> > Quite an impressive man, he tries to be very
> > careful not to verge on conspiracy.
> >
> >
> >
> [www.youtube.com]
> >
> >
> > But the nightmare kicks into high gear with
> these
> > next two video. Try not to get scared, just do
> > something about it. The lady below shows
> various
> > supposed secret government documents we might
> be
> > able to find also.
> >
> > Deborah Tavares - Smart Meters at Oathkeeperss
> > Meeting
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
> >
> >
> > DeborahTavares Refuse Smart Meters Conference
> 2012
> >
> > It gets funny from 7 - 10 mins, but it kicks
> into
> > high gear after that. Debras tone might make
> your
> > teeth chatter. I don't get scared ever these
> days,
> > but this made me scared. Sometimes the `so
> > called' truth can be hard to handle. I do
> believe
> > this lady may well be telling the truth. I bet
> > John Rose got scared too. I bet jtprindl might
> get
> > scared too. I bet nearly everyone will get
> scared
> > when they listen to this lady.
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
>
>
> It is a bit mind-boggling to say the least, the
> kind of control these devices allow the "powers
> that be" to have is disturbing. I had heard about
> smart meters before but never really anything
> in-depth. Did I miss anything other than they are
> zapping you, collecting all your information, have
> the ability to watch you in all rooms of your
> house, and can target individuals via microwaves
> and put thoughts into their mind? I get everything
> else but how can they watch you?

It is said they are now making t.v's with cameras built into them, and in future they will be introducing `so called' electronic energy saving devices with special chips in them that can record everything. People will be forced to use these `so called' energy saving devices or face punishment by having extra high bills. As usual, the public will give in. They then use the smart meter technology to connect with these electronic `energy saving' devices.

The cooking of humanity video talks about the technology they have, and the lady in the other video shows the appliances they are now selling with the chips. Mr Kearns was telling me about this years ago (I recall he knew of technicians who put cameras in the t.v's).

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I was asked which links provide the
> nightmare.
> > > Here they are, well worth the listen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Cooking of Humanity
> > > Quite an impressive man, he tries to be very
> > > careful not to verge on conspiracy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> [www.youtube.com]
> > >
> > >
> > > But the nightmare kicks into high gear with
> > these
> > > next two video. Try not to get scared, just
> do
> > > something about it. The lady below shows
> > various
> > > supposed secret government documents we might
> > be
> > > able to find also.
> > >
> > > Deborah Tavares - Smart Meters at
> Oathkeeperss
> > > Meeting
> > >
> > > [www.youtube.com]
> > >
> > >
> > > DeborahTavares Refuse Smart Meters Conference
> > 2012
> > >
> > > It gets funny from 7 - 10 mins, but it kicks
> > into
> > > high gear after that. Debras tone might make
> > your
> > > teeth chatter. I don't get scared ever these
> > days,
> > > but this made me scared. Sometimes the `so
> > > called' truth can be hard to handle. I do
> > believe
> > > this lady may well be telling the truth. I
> bet
> > > John Rose got scared too. I bet jtprindl
> might
> > get
> > > scared too. I bet nearly everyone will get
> > scared
> > > when they listen to this lady.
> > >
> > > [www.youtube.com]
> >
> >
> > It is a bit mind-boggling to say the least, the
> > kind of control these devices allow the "powers
> > that be" to have is disturbing. I had heard
> about
> > smart meters before but never really anything
> > in-depth. Did I miss anything other than they
> are
> > zapping you, collecting all your information,
> have
> > the ability to watch you in all rooms of your
> > house, and can target individuals via
> microwaves
> > and put thoughts into their mind? I get
> everything
> > else but how can they watch you?
>
> It is said they are now making t.v's with cameras
> built into them, and in future they will be
> introducing `so called' electronic energy saving
> devices with special chips in them that can record
> everything. People will be forced to use these `so
> called' energy saving devices or face punishment
> by having extra high bills. As usual, the public
> will give in. They then use the smart meter
> technology to connect with these electronic
> `energy saving' devices.
>
> The cooking of humanity video talks about the
> technology they have, and the lady in the other
> video shows the appliances they are now selling
> with the chips. Mr Kearns was telling me about
> this years ago (I recall he knew of technicians
> who put cameras in the t.v's).


And it's irrelevant (the cameras) for most of the population but they're doing it so they can keep on eye, if need be, on the people who pose a threat to them, right? Like whistleblowers or individuals who threaten their profits? If someone didn't have a television or laptop, though, wouldn't it be impossible for them to watch you? How can smart meters allow them to spy on you in every room of your house if you didn't have something that could be hacked into through electrical frequency in those rooms? I wonder what they tell these technicians the installation of these cameras are for.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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>
> And it's irrelevant (the cameras) for most of the
> population but they're doing it so they can keep
> on eye, if need be, on the people who pose a
> threat to them, right?

It does appear that way, and also to be used as a bribing tool apparently. I am also of the opinion that crime stats are falsified so they can get public support towards implementing more street cameras also.



>Like whistleblowers or
> individuals who threaten their profits?

Yes, could be.





> If someone
> didn't have a television or laptop, though,
> wouldn't it be impossible for them to watch you?

Yes! As Mr Kearns always says, they like people to be warm and fuzzy (comfortable) with their convenient gadgets and t.v's and force them to have smart meters, and people find it hard to give up the convenient comforts of life. We never used to have these things once and we can live without them if we need to, but unfortunately the system is making it hard to get around it now because landline phones are vanishing and everything is going cordless.

Mr Kearns hasn't had the t.v plugged in for years, no remote controls, battery operated laptops, no smart meter, a mobile for only an emergency. He is detoxed and keeps windows open summer and winter and feels no cold. Minimal lighting and power use. He designed his shower system so it uses filtered energised water only (he has not come into contact with the public water supply for years), and even has a system where he utilises the sun's power to make hot water for the shower.




> How can smart meters allow them to spy on you in
> every room of your house if you didn't have
> something that could be hacked into through
> electrical frequency in those rooms?

If you don't buy these modern day gadgets you will be o.k. See, if people are out of the matrix we can do lots of things. People are used to their comforts, but Mr Kearns says to give them all up, and he helps show people how they can do it. We can be raw, we don't need a fridge, heating/cooling or anything (at least in my country)....we can meditate, use a battery computer at night/early morning, take a wash in warm filtered water by putting a glass container on foil on putting out in the sun during the day (or have a cold water wash). If the bullies are going to try and watch and control us all, we can give up all their stuff and live simple and get used to it. I am happy to get my power cut off if need be.



This is supposed to be the NWO plans they have for us. Disturbing reading (interesting easy to read link).
[www.stopthecrime.net]


Yes, trying to ban the public from growing fruits and vegetables is not far away. They also want to put small - medium sized farms out of business imo so GM large farms can take over. Why? Because of this bill below:

Farm Bill S510 Food Safety Modernization Act
[www.opencongress.org]

Youtube commentary on the nasty bill the U.G govt wanted to give the American people:
[www.youtube.com]



This bill left it open so the U.S govt had the power to interpret it so Congress had the power to enforce such a law (I forget the particular section). It failed to get passed this time (2009), but it is looking like we will eventually be banned from growing our own food and may be forced to eat GM foods in the future. That's my biggest concern.

They will probably try to re-introduce it when everyone is on holidays (the congressman who would normally oppose the bill and students who know the law are on holiday so there is no opposition next time). They will make the bill really long so Congressman don't have time to read what they are passing.


An Army document which talks about focussing on the puiblic using EMF technology
[www.stopthecrime.net]


Chemtrail document (haven't read that one yet):
[saive.com]



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I'll find another post harvest science link which puts question over store bought produce soon. But for now, here is a write-up investigation on the subject.

A summery of the supposed research (looks to be correct too)

REASONS FRESH VEGETABLES ARE MORE NUTRITIOUS THAN STORE-BOUGHT
From the moment they are harvested, plant matter begins to undergo
senescence -- a genetically regulated process which leads to the death
of cells, organs, or whole organisms.

In plants, senescence is accompanied by structural changes and/or
changes in biochemical and biophysical metabolic properties. This may
involve degradation of proteins, chlorophyll and nucleic acids.

This cell breakdown causes vegetables to cease forming nutritive
chemicals. As a result, they begin to lose nutrients in the form of
water soluble vitamins (B & C), antioxidants, and protein.

For this reason, time from field to consumer and the care of the crop
in between, are the defining variables that differentiate the
nutritive value of farm-fresh vegetables from those bought from
grocery stores.

Also, any type of processing, even minimal, including cutting, slicing
or trimming increases the rate at which vegetables undergo nutritional
and quality deterioration.

Additionally, the more hands (and processes) they pass through on
their way to the consumer, the more likely they are to pick up
contamination such as bacteria.

Finally, because vegetables going to market must be picked earlier in
their development cycle than farm-fresh vegetables, many are harvested
before they achieve maximum nutrient capacity



SPECIFICS
---------

Grocery Vegetables
Time from Field to Consumer: 5 -14 days


During that time, the following occurs:

1. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid / ascorbate) degrades*

2. Degradation B vitamins
.....B1 /thiamine;
.....B2 /riboflavin;
.....B3 /niacin;
.....B5 /pantothenic acid;
.....B6 / pyridoxine
.....B9 / Folate and folic acid (2 forms of B9)


3. Loss of Antioxidants --

.....Monoterpenes: limonene, carvone, carveol;
.....Diterpenes: retinoids
.....Tetraterpenes: carotenoids like alpha- and beta-carotene,
lutein, lycopene zeaxanthine, cryptoxanthine


Also mentioned: Glucoraphanin, the glucosinolate precursor
of anticancer isothiocyanate sulforaphane


4. Decrease in protein

5. Potential for human contamination via packaging and handling

6. Increase in some natural toxins
(eg: synthesis of glycoalkaloids in potatoes)


[answers.google.com]




Changes in carotenoids during processing and storage of foods

Rodriguez-Amaya DB
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


Effect of acute ingestion of fresh and stored lettuce (Lactuca sativa) on plasma total antioxidant capacity and antioxidant levels in human subjects

Serafini M1, Bugianesi R
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


A good study to look up. "This article is a review of the most recent studies concerning beta-carotene retention in carrots during processing and storage".

Preservation of beta-carotene from carrots

Desobry SA1, Netto FM
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Effects of storage and handling on vitamins in fresh lima beans

Head MK, Giesbrecht FG
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

This clearly talks about what l have been saying once again - bruising/mass handling causes nutrient loses. Freezing produce also causes loses.

Freezing resulted in highly significant losses of ascorbic acid and thiamin. Longer storage time and higher storage temperature resulted in significant reduction in ascorbic acid. Bruising, such as that occurring when beans are mechanically hulled, caused significant losses of both carotene and ascorbic acid. Significant interactions indicated that subjecting beans to circulating air and to bruising increased degradation of ascorbic acid and carotene. Increasing storage temperature compounded the effects of air circulation and of storage time on ascorbic acid. For example, 24-hr. storage at 45 degrees F was as severe as 72 hr. at 37 degrees F


Proximate composition and mineral content of selected Tanzanian vegetables and the effect of traditional processing on the retention of ascorbic acid, riboflavin and thiamine

Mosha TC1, Pace RD
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


The traditional processing practices of sun/shade drying and storing in ventilated containers resulted in a significant (P <0.05) decrease in ascorbic acid, riboflavin and thiamine for all vegetables

Could this be applied to dehydratd foods and dried herbs? Interesting.


Effect of postharvest storage and processing on the antioxidant constituents (flavonoids and vitamin C) of fresh-cut spinach

Gil MI, Ferreres F
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

The free-radical scavenging activity of the isolated flavonoids was tested, and only those flavonoids with either a dihydroxyl grouping or acylated with ferulic acid showed significant activity. A decrease in the total antioxidant activity was observed during storage, particularly important in MAP-stored spinach. The higher content of DHAA and lower content of both AA and antioxidant flavonoids in the MAP-stored samples could explain this antioxidant activity decrease


Ascorbate metabolism in harvested broccoli

Fumie Nishikawa, Masaya Kato et al
[jxb.oxfordjournals.org]



More bad news for store bought produce to come including the study and commentary l have saved up somewhere that talks in more detail.



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Identification of dehydration?responsive cysteine proteases during post?harvest senescence of broccoli florets


Simon A. Coupe, Ben K. Sinclair
[jxb.oxfordjournals.org]



Harvest-induced senescence of broccoli results in tissue wilting and sepal chlorosis. As senescence progresses, chlorophyll and protein levels in ¯oret
tissues decline


The effects of ethylene, depressed oxygen and elevated carbon dioxide on antioxidant profiles of senescing spinach leaves

D. Mark Hodges, Charles F. Forney
[jxb.oxfordjournals.org]


Results indicated that the rate and severity of senescence was similar between the leaves stored in ambient air or CA until day 35, at which point the ambient air?stored leaves exhibited a sharp increase in lipid peroxidation. Tissues under both storage regimes demonstrated significant declines only in levels of ASPX, CAT (both are anti oxidant enzymes), and ascorbate.

In contrast, spinach leaves stored in ambient air+ethylene experienced a rapid decrease in levels of all the antioxidants assessed except SOD



An article below that discusses post harvest produce. The point is, the food control is taken out of your hands when people use mass food delivery systems. Mass handling = more potential for produce damage etc.

Postharvest Issues for Protected Agriculture Production

Wilfried H. Schnitzler
[ftp.cgiar.org]


Some quotes below:

""...Tests show that green beans, for example, lose 40 percent of their
vitamin C content in the first two days after harvesting, and within
three days of harvesting, a whopping 58 percent of vitamin C has gone.
Often foods are harvested before they are fully ripe, with the
expectation that further ripening will occur after harvest."


Supposed to be from FRESH, FROZEN OR CANNED? By: Lynda Wharton (might want to look it up).


""...Fresh asparagus is highly perishable and deteriorates rapidly at
temperatures above 40 F. ? In addition to general deterioration, spear
growth, loss of tenderness, loss of flavor, loss of vitamin C, and
development of decay take place at moderately high temperatures."

""...Broccoli is highly perishable, and it is usually stored for only a
brief period as needed for orderly marketing. Broccoli should be
hydrocooled or packed in ice immediately after harvest and kept at 32
F to maintain good salable condition, fresh green color, and vitamin C
content. ? The respiration rate of freshly harvested broccoli is very
high - comparable to that of asparagus, spinach, or sweet corn."



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What about fruit being acid when it is not properly ripe?

Many folks are well aware of the impact of non ripe fruit in regards to acidity - Dr Wilson, Viktoras Kulvinskas, myself, Dr Clement and various people widely report this. But what do the agritcultural scientists say?



"In many fruits, the acidity changes during maturation and ripening, and in the case of citrus and other fruits, acidity reduces progressively as the fruit matures on the tree". - Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations


Handling and Preservation of Fruits and Vegetables by Combined Methods for Rural Areas
[www.fao.org]

(quote from 1/3 page down, under the heading titled `Acidity"

Thanks sproutarianman theres some good information there but I don't see any numbers in your study in the 506pm post.

and veggies are more exposed than most fruits, I cant find much on fruit except 2 studies I posted that were not bad regarding losses.

and more acidic fruit says nothing about your statement that fruit is acidifying in the body.

Some notes l took once on post harvesting factors effecting fruits and veggies.


Best to let fruit ripen on the tree to maximise nutrition (see below)


Fruit accumulated AA during ripening on or off the plant, but the increase was much greater for those fruit left on the plant


Mass food delivery systems can damage produce and reduce vitamin C (see below). Also see table 5 about Kale (in link at bottom).


The method of harvest can determine the extent of variability in maturity and physical injuries, and consequently influence nutritional composition of fruits and vegetables. Mechanical injuries such as bruising, surface abrasions, and cuts can result in accelerated loss of vitamin C


Buying inorganic produce (using various fertilisers) can reduce vitamin C.

Augustin (1975) reported a decrease in AA
content of some cultivars of potatoes with increasing
amounts of nitrogen fertilizer used (Table 3).
Lisiewska and Kmiecik (1996) reported that increasing
the amount of nitrogen fertilizer from 80
to 120 kg ha_1 decreased the vitamin C content
by 7% in cauliflower. Reduced levels of vitamin C
in juices of oranges, lemons, grapefruits, and
mandarins resulted from the application of high
levels of nitrogen fertilizer to those crops,

and


Since excess use
of nitrogen fertilizers increases the concentration
of NO3 and simultaneously decreases that of AA,
it may have a double negative effect on the quality
of plant foods (Mozafar, 1993).


Actually, it is worse than that. Using chemical fertilisers increase anti nutrients such as phytic acid and alkaloids (ref not provided).



Bruising significantly affected the chemical
composition of pericarp and locular tissues of
tomato fruit. Vitamin C content was about 15%
lower in bruised locular tissue than unbruised
fruit (Moretti et al., 1998).



This link goes on and on. Some produce loses more nutrition than others. Dozens of good references can be looked up at the end of the study.


Preharvest and postharvest factors influencing vitamin C content of horticultural crops

Seung K. Lee, Adel A. Kader
[www.researchgate.net]



I won't say anymore on purchasing of post harvest produce and mass delivery systems except to say that it is not a good idea and runs contrary to what mankind has always done. It is not a natural nor desirable way to be eating...we are so removed from the food supply now.



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Like many I am reliant on shipped citrus. This is what I do to get the biggest nutritional and phytonutrient bang for my buck with these expensive organically grown fruits.

1. I ZipZest the zests off and soak the zests in water for refreshing, delicious, and nutritious essential oil infused drinks. (Citrus essential oils are found only in their zests.)The zests also freeze well for later and other uses, too.

2. I use a simple wooden hand reamer for juicing and so can report that the zest free citrus fruits are very pliable so are much easier to squeeze and remove every last drop of juice from pretty effortlessly.

3. Once the juicy fruit parts and the zests are removed I turn what's left of the fruits, the half fruit pith 'cups' inside out and remove the bitter segment membranes. Then I use the piths in raw blended soups, etc. and string them up for the parrot as edible toys.


Around 40% of citrus fruits vitamin C, for but one of many things, is in their piths so why not consume it, and the zest, and be almost as whole as the people who grow their own and throw out half of the good stuff?

All in all we buyers still are getting a remarkably good deal and it affords us the luxury of not having to be farmers unless we want to be.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2014 03:05AM by SueZ.

?.....won't say anymore on purchasing of post harvest produce and mass delivery systems except to say that it is not a good idea and runs contrary to what mankind has always done. It is not a natural nor desirable way to be eating...we are so removed from the food supply now.


Are u still missing my point?
We know there are losses.
I say it is still sustainable.
your response is to eat zero fruit and to generalize your local fruit and experience to all people and all fruit.
Not rational or supported by the facts

SueZ Wrote:
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> Like many I am reliant on shipped citrus. This is
> what I do to get the biggest nutritional and
> phytonutrient bang for my buck with these
> expensive organically grown fruits.
>
> 1. I ZipZest the zests off and soak the zests
> in water for refreshing, delicious, and nutritious
> essential oil infused drinks. (Citrus essential
> oils are found only in their zests.)The zests also
> freeze well for later and other uses, too.
>
> 2. I use a simple wooden hand reamer for
> juicing and so can report that the zest free
> citrus fruits are very pliable so are much easier
> to squeeze and remove every last drop of juice
> from pretty effortlessly.
>
> 3. Once the juicy fruit parts and the zests
> are removed I turn what's left of the fruits, the
> half fruit pith 'cups' inside out and remove the
> bitter segment membranes. Then I use the piths in
> raw blended soups, etc. and string them up for the
> parrot as edible toys.
>
>
> Around 40% of citrus fruits vitamin C, for
> but one of many things, is in their piths so why
> not consume it, and the zest, and be almost as
> whole as the people who grow their own and throw
> out half of the good stuff?
>
> All in all we buyers still are getting a
> remarkably good deal and it affords us the luxury
> of not having to be farmers unless we want to be.


There are a few points to be made on the poo-pooing of "post harvest and mass delivery systems".


1. These systems are nothing new or unnatural to humans nor do they run contrary to what mankind has always done. We are less reliant on traditional trade winds and trade routes but we alsi have better sophisticated commercial storage abilities and more efficient and economical transportation.

Salesmen make the world go round and there have always been salesmen and trade. The whole village didn't have to up and move to facilitate this just a small able bodied and motivated segment of the population could get it done then as it is gotten done now. Not good to rewrite history.

2. For a plethora of obvious reasons locovorism is less efficient, less economical, and the results are less nutritious than the harvesting and distributing systems we have now for most people - even farmers - and that will continue to be the case until/unless the system we have fails. That possibility, along with the temporary inevitabilities, of the system failing is one of the best argument for practicing locovorism. The other reason being able to supply oneself with fresh food in order to force the food industry to hold itself to higher standards by withdrawing support of it in protest - as money is the only thing they are able to be forced to understand, IMO.

3. We can sit at home and sprout our food thinking it's the most natural, right, and desirable way to be eating in the world but before we go patting ourselves on the back in self-righteousness it should be recalled that the seeds and sprouts we sprout are themselves farmer's post harvest crops and have been delivered to us by the mass delivery system.

If we don't think things through a few steps back and a bit further farmers would have every right to think sproutarians who think they are locovors by eating only sprouts they grow themselves as in the same magical thinking category as those SAD meat eaters who seem to think their meat grows in plastic packages in the grocery store and pat themselves on the back for cooking rather than eating fast food.

"3. We can sit at home and sprout our food thinking it's the most natural, right, and desirable way to be eating in the world but before we go patting ourselves on the back in self-righteousness it should be recalled that the seeds and sprouts we sprout are themselves farmer's post harvest crops and have been delivered to us by the mass delivery system."

Except when it's still a seed, it's not susceptible to all of the post-harvesting damage that harvested produce is. You harvest and consume instead of having someone hundreds of miles away harvest, put it in a box, and then ship it to you.

"2. For a plethora of obvious reasons locovorism is less efficient, less economical, and the results are less nutritious than the harvesting and distributing systems we have now for most people - even farmers - and that will continue to be the case until/unless the system we have fails. That possibility, along with the temporary inevitabilities, of the system failing is one of the best argument for practicing locovorism. The other reason being able to supply oneself with fresh food in order to force the food industry to hold itself to higher standards by withdrawing support of it in protest - as money is the only thing they are able to be forced to understand, IMO."

Where's the evidence?

Great post, SueZ.

SueZ Wrote:
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>
> 3. We can sit at home and sprout our food
> thinking it's the most natural, right, and
> desirable way to be eating in the world but before
> we go patting ourselves on the back in
> self-righteousness it should be recalled that the
> seeds and sprouts we sprout are themselves
> farmer's post harvest crops and have been
> delivered to us by the mass delivery system.



Fruits and veggies are soft and mnore prone to damage. Seeds are hard, much less prone to post harvest damage and can be brought back to life (so to speak) so they are fresh and growing. It's not a perfect system by any means, but it is the most effective thing most people have available to them these days...becoming a part farmer/city farmer.

And when you juice, consume sea weeds and probiotics (to increase bioavailability of nutrition) you try and minimise any nutrients losses from post harvesting and reduced soil quality. There is not much more a person relying on a mass system can do. Certainly a better game plan than buying mass harvest fruits and veggies.

In a perfect world it would be great to farm all my seeds in rockdust mineralised soil and harvest the plants for sprouts, but l am doing the best l can, at least my food is growing and fresh at time of harvest.


>
> If we don't think things through a few steps
> back and a bit further farmers would have every
> right to think sproutarians who think they are
> locovors by eating only sprouts they grow
> themselves as in the same magical thinking
> category as those SAD meat eaters who seem to
> think their meat grows in plastic packages in the
> grocery store and pat themselves on the back for
> cooking rather than eating fast food.



???



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2014 09:03PM by The Sproutarian Man.