jtprindl>And lets not forget that the zinc needs to be bioavailable. Just because you might be consuming 11 mg of zinc doesn't mean you are absorbing it.

one does not need 11mg of zinc. as I explained to you, the WHO says 2-6


> How much nutrition you have in your blood doesn't mean a whole lot. The cronometer is only a very basic `raw 101' tool, much further study needs to be done on nutrition.

you REALLY WANT me to be low in zinc don't you?
That's funny because I don't want you to be low in zinc.
the fact that I am not low in zinc just blows up your whole diet paradigm.


TSM said>

>I used to much be like Fresh once. I would fight and fight and argue and argue until the cows come home


not fighting. not arguing. holding people to a higher standard than they hold themselves, and looking for clarification.

simply going to your website, finding some statements and asking you to provide support for those statements.

what you should do for some integrity is provide support for those statements, instead of what you're doing which is ignoring.

funny how all you have left is to accuse me of bad words.

is that all you got dude?

>I used to much be like Fresh once.

you don't know Jack about me, so don't pretend to.

I can't wait until I am as advanced as you.


>, so l can relate to them and many here, and l certainly don't look down on such behaviour. I was more intense and l would stick the boot in really good in the old days. I hated everyone

that's funny. I don't hate anyone.
nice try though.

>You give up trying to win arguments and persuade people, you just present some things and let people make up their own mind.

Actually what you do, is avoid things because you make statements that are unsupportable.

"not fighting. not arguing."

Denial is the first step Keep going!

"holding people to a higher standard than they hold themselves"

You should probably think about holding yourself to a higher standard before you start judging others.

I do. Thanks for the tip.
and by standard I mean someone saying, "the chi is lower in store bought foods"
with no evidence.

fresh Wrote:
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> I do. Thanks for the tip.
> and by standard I mean someone saying, "the chi is
> lower in store bought foods"
> with no evidence.


fresh, where is your scientific evidence of raw foods?

my example above requires a quantification because the person is saying that X is lower in this item.

your question does not.

my answer to your question is that all my ailments went away when going to raw food diet, and I feel better on a raw food diet. no different from anyone else. does not require a study or science because i am not making any claims in that area.

ramanan Wrote:
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> TSM,
> How do you pluck out chia seed without soil on the
> base stem?
> how do you over come strong taste of chia?


The roots anchor into the cloth l have on a tray. When l pluck it out l cut the roots off because they are always brown and make a nice pretty dark green drink go all brown like mud.

The chia grass is very strong like soap, but l don't mind it. If anything, it can be mixed with other juices so the taste is not so harsh. The chia juice is worth it, very very nutritious.

Regarding the 2 - 3 day old chia sprouts = they makes a nice grey chia milk shake. Nice and mild.

fresh Wrote:
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> my example above requires a quantification because
> the person is saying that X is lower in this
> item.
>
> your question does not.
>
> my answer to your question is that all my ailments
> went away when going to raw food diet, and I feel
> better on a raw food diet. no different from
> anyone else. does not require a study or science
> because i am not making any claims in that area.


It's the same concept, you are asking for evidence yet your entire basis for following a diet is based of zero scientific evidence. Do I believe raw foods are extremely healing and cleansing? Yes, but still no studies have been done yet. So for you to sit here asking for all this type of evidence when you're diet is based off ZERO, it's hypocritical. Going to use the "I feel better since eating raw foods" as evidence? Then someone like powerlifter can use "I feel better since eating animal foods" as evidence.



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> ramanan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TSM,
> > How do you pluck out chia seed without soil on
> the
> > base stem?
> > how do you over come strong taste of chia?
>
>
> The roots anchor into the cloth l have on a tray.
> When l pluck it out l cut the roots off because
> they are always brown and make a nice pretty dark
> green drink go all brown like mud.
>
> The chia grass is very strong like soap, but l
> don't mind it. If anything, it can be mixed with
> other juices so the taste is not so harsh. The
> chia juice is worth it, very very nutritious.
>
> Regarding the 2 - 3 day old chia sprouts = they
> makes a nice grey chia milk shake. Nice and mild.


Do 2-3 day old chia sprouts have different benefits than chia grass?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > my example above requires a quantification
> because
> > the person is saying that X is lower in this
> > item.
> >
> > your question does not.
> >
> > my answer to your question is that all my
> ailments7
> > went away when going to raw food diet, and I
> feel
> > better on a raw food diet. no different from
> > anyone else. does not require a study or
> science
> > because i am not making any claims in that
> area.
>
>
> It's the same concept, you are asking for evidence
> yet your entire basis for following a diet is
> based of zero scientific evidence. Do I believe
> raw foods are extremely healing and cleansing?
> Yes, but still no studies have been done yet. So
> for you to sit here asking for all this type of
> evidence when you're diet is based off ZERO, it's
> hypocritical. Going to use the "I feel better
> since eating raw foods" as evidence? Then someone
> like powerlifter can use "I feel better since
> eating animal foods" as evidence.


No it is not the same concept.
read my example again and stop bringing other stuff in here that is irrelevant.
your wasting precious time on this.

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fresh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > my example above requires a quantification
> > because
> > > the person is saying that X is lower in this
> > > item.
> > >
> > > your question does not.
> > >
> > > my answer to your question is that all my
> > ailments7
> > > went away when going to raw food diet, and I
> > feel
> > > better on a raw food diet. no different from
> > > anyone else. does not require a study or
> > science
> > > because i am not making any claims in that
> > area.
> >
> >
> > It's the same concept, you are asking for
> evidence
> > yet your entire basis for following a diet is
> > based of zero scientific evidence. Do I believe
> > raw foods are extremely healing and cleansing?
> > Yes, but still no studies have been done yet.
> So
> > for you to sit here asking for all this type of
> > evidence when you're diet is based off ZERO,
> it's
> > hypocritical. Going to use the "I feel better
> > since eating raw foods" as evidence? Then
> someone
> > like powerlifter can use "I feel better since
> > eating animal foods" as evidence.
>
>
> No it is not the same concept.
> read my example again and stop bringing other
> stuff in here that is irrelevant.
> your wasting precious time on this.


Concept: Evidence.

I have given you my evidence you are free to accept or reject it

no evidence given for chi or any of the other statements

if that is powerlifters evidence I am free to accept or reject

...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2014 09:32PM by powerlifter.

This forum is one of the most psychologically toxic places I've ever encountered.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> The proof is in the pudding when it comes to the
> behaviour of most longterm 80/10/10ers fresh .
> Toxic anger and aggression in most cases. Stubborn
> and can't handle tolerating any different view
> point when it comes to diet, just like Dr Wilson
> says.
>
> Hey its not just me, even another member in this
> thread thought your demeanor was rude, calling
> people morons and fools because they have
> different opinions on diet is grounded behaviour
> to you though lol.
>
> You keep saying that TSM's and my thoughts are
> unfounded, yet TSM has provided you with plenty of
> evidence to scientifically back many of his
> statements regarding sprouts and so have i when it
> comes to the typical vegan diet deficiencies.
>
> Some of the studies he and i linked were some of
> the biggest vegan and vegetarian studies ever
> done. Reliable, unbiased and well-designed studies
> also.
>



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ramanan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TSM,
> > > How do you pluck out chia seed without soil
> on
> > the
> > > base stem?
> > > how do you over come strong taste of chia?
> >
> >
> > The roots anchor into the cloth l have on a
> tray.
> > When l pluck it out l cut the roots off because
> > they are always brown and make a nice pretty
> dark
> > green drink go all brown like mud.
> >
> > The chia grass is very strong like soap, but l
> > don't mind it. If anything, it can be mixed
> with
> > other juices so the taste is not so harsh. The
> > chia juice is worth it, very very nutritious.
> >
> > Regarding the 2 - 3 day old chia sprouts = they
> > makes a nice grey chia milk shake. Nice and
> mild.
>
>
> Do 2-3 day old chia sprouts have different
> benefits than chia grass?

The chia grass does appear to have more benefit on mood.

Btw, l just posted a quote from agritcultural scientists that back up many people's views that unripe fruit (most store bought fruit) not matured on the tree tends to be acidic. Some is barely alkaline, but much of it is acidic and will probably leach minerals. (see phyto nutrient thread)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2014 11:24PM by The Sproutarian Man.

I lighten up the place with a funny raw fooder's story that Fred P tells in his book.


Fred was saying that all these raw fooders gathered togeather for dinner. Lots of salad was served and everyone was eating their usual raw foods. Then suddenly some cooked food was put on the main table. No-one touched it for some time, but then one person plucked up the courage and put some on his plate. People were looking but still resisting and seemed on edge. Soon a few more ate the cooked food. Before long everyone was eating the cooked food and all the cooked dishes were gone and the raw food remained on the table. After people ate the cooked food the atmosphere in the room changed and everyone seemed happy LOL.

A pretty funny story.

Something magical about cooked food.
I had a similar experience years ago with my son. He was raised mostly on raw food and juices. But one day we went out and went to a McDonald and bought some fries.
The little boy was over excited and ate the fries in just few minutes.

Excitotoxic high salt and stuff...addiction runs deep.
even my dog freaks out over cooked. Unfortunate situation for health.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I lighten up the place with a funny raw fooder's
> story that Fred P tells in his book.
>
>
> Fred was saying that all these raw fooders
> gathered togeather for dinner. Lots of salad was
> served and everyone was eating their usual raw
> foods. Then suddenly some cooked food was put on
> the main table. No-one touched it for some time,
> but then one person plucked up the courage and put
> some on his plate. People were looking but still
> resisting and seemed on edge. Soon a few more ate
> the cooked food. Before long everyone was eating
> the cooked food and all the cooked dishes were
> gone and the raw food remained on the table. After
> people ate the cooked food the atmosphere in the
> room changed and everyone seemed happy LOL.
>
> A pretty funny story.

The morale of the story is that...
SAD eaters are happier than raw food eaters
Just watch the smile of someone eating a slice of pepperoni pizza
And the sadness of the raw fooder drinking a glass of spinach juice.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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>
> The morale of the story is that...
> SAD eaters are happier than raw food eaters
> Just watch the smile of someone eating a slice of
> pepperoni pizza
> And the sadness of the raw fooder drinking a glass
> of spinach juice.


That does generally seem the case. Raw fooders have more disciplined lives, less social lives, struggle to stay raw etc. Many raw eaters still seem to have the SAD mentality and haven't made the adjustment to LOVE the discipline and lifestyle change.

The problem with SAD is that they are almost certain to pay the price with the big three (cancer, heart disease, diabetes) later in life, and they also expose themselves to dangerous excitotoxins which play havoc with the mind and can cloud it. If a person does raw well they might do o.k later in life if their diet is nutritious and balanced.


Personally l would rather eat raw than SAD, and l LOVE the disciplined alternative lifestyle. The SAD is a disaster and it's a pity a person doesn't have more respect for themselves, but they are so unconscious that they don't realise what they are doing to their mind and body and blocking consciousness of their light being.

Nothing beats a crystal clear mind where you can concentrate intensely for many hours and everything becomes easy. It's really important to want to leave your old life behind and embrace your new one. The raw lifestyle needs to become second nature and it shouldn't be a struggle.



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The SAD world live on factory food...tin food, packet food, t.v dinners etc. How can someone find that acceptable??? Even when l was a kid l thought humans were above eating from a packet.

Ever been to a supermarket? That says it all. The factory humans....many of them don't have much life in them, they drag their feet, walk slow, have little life in their eyes, look too scared to talk to people they don't know (it's like they pretend no-one else exists).

Look at kids. They have a spring in their step (well, some of them still do), they are happy and vibrant. That's how we should be as adults...we should have that spring in our step and enthusiasm for life and care free attitude with the addition of being responsible adults. But it's not like that for SAD adults, many are like walking dead zombies. The are like an old car...they struggle to move because they aren't full of life force. There is no future in factory food.

Why let convenience and your taste buds rule your life. Eat to live, and when you have a good raw diet...that is when you really live. Everything you do is much more fun and exciting, and music sounds GREAT. You really connect with your emotions and live life to the full...you become fully human and experience your proper birthright.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I lighten up the place with a funny raw
> fooder's
> > story that Fred P tells in his book.
> >
> >
> > Fred was saying that all these raw fooders
> > gathered togeather for dinner. Lots of salad
> was
> > served and everyone was eating their usual raw
> > foods. Then suddenly some cooked food was put
> on
> > the main table. No-one touched it for some
> time,
> > but then one person plucked up the courage and
> put
> > some on his plate. People were looking but
> still
> > resisting and seemed on edge. Soon a few more
> ate
> > the cooked food. Before long everyone was
> eating
> > the cooked food and all the cooked dishes were
> > gone and the raw food remained on the table.
> After
> > people ate the cooked food the atmosphere in
> the
> > room changed and everyone seemed happy LOL.
> >
> > A pretty funny story.
>
> The morale of the story is that...
> SAD eaters are happier than raw food eaters
> Just watch the smile of someone eating a slice of
> pepperoni pizza
> And the sadness of the raw fooder drinking a glass
> of spinach juice.


You must be joking. Do u enjoy your diet?
if not something is wrong.
could u possibly think of something else to eat other than spinach juice

Of course that was a joke.
In my book there is nothing more joyful to eat than a well ripe raw mango.
The SAD eater happiness is short lived because the fried food will trigger more disease and pain in the long run.

there was no way to know that was a joke, commonsenseraw, with all the grass/sprout drinkers around here.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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> Of course that was a joke.
> In my book there is nothing more joyful to eat
> than a well ripe raw mango.
> The SAD eater happiness is short lived because the
> fried food will trigger more disease and pain in
> the long run.


It's amazing isn't it. SAD folks will gulp down their food quickly and pay the price for such a short term satisfaction. Eat a meal in 15 minutes and have it stay in your stomach for 8 hours, and do it over and over again.

You are being generous for most folks the whole pizza is gone in less than 10 minutes. And they will pour on it coke and cigarettes.

Rawfood life style is a happy life style.

There so much joy when I take care of my sprouts.

So much excitement when I take the little sprouted flax and sesame seeds into making a salad dressing to use on my indoor grown sunflower greens.

Life is good.

CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
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>
> Rawfood life style is a happy life style.


That's how it should be, but it doesn't appear to be that way for many. Many seem to struggle, and attitudes are often no different from SAD folks. We can be like how Ann Wigmore was always talked about...full of joy, a spiritual connection and a desire to help others (that's a sign you are really thriving, you take your eyes off yourself and want to serve others). When you do the raw lifestyle well, it does get like that, so l believe Dr Ann was the real deal. John Kohler has a good vibe (he grows his own food). But many don't come across that way, why?


>
> There so much joy when I take care of my sprouts.


That's what it is about. We are meant to grow our own food, it creates extra satisfaction that is important to the raw lifestyle. Growing food with love and good vibrations is highly important. Not taking part in the growing of the food creates an empty food lifestyle imo.


>
> Life is good.

Yes it is.

?...hn Kohler has a good vibe (he grows his own food). But many don't come across that way, why? 


could be that sproutarianmen make bogus claims
that people call them on
But dont worry about it,
if u have the polite false attitude you can say anything
and then continue endlessly to discuss the attitude of people u have never met

fresh Wrote:
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> ?...hn Kohler has a good vibe (he grows his own
> food). But many don't come across that way,
> why? 
>
>
> could be that sproutarianmen make bogus claims
> that people call them on
> But dont worry about it,
> if u have the polite false attitude you can say
> anything
> and then continue endlessly to discuss the
> attitude of people u have never met


You can tell attitudes in the way people say things, even online. Just like how that post had a negative and argumentative attitude behind it, per usual considering the source.

jtprindl said...

"Your delusions aside... you act like looks are the key factor in overall health, which is unrealistic. Oh and if Brian Clement looks like the "typical SAD diet eater", please give an example of someone his age who looks better and much younger."


now jtprindl that wasn't a negative comment, was it?
you called someone delusional? aren't you a mean person?

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl said...
>
> "Your delusions aside... you act like looks are
> the key factor in overall health, which is
> unrealistic. Oh and if Brian Clement looks like
> the "typical SAD diet eater", please give an
> example of someone his age who looks better and
> much younger."
>
>
> now jtprindl that wasn't a negative comment, was
> it?
> you called someone delusional? aren't you a mean
> person?


Did I say I never make negative comments? The problem with you is that you do it constantly and the majority of your posts are of this nature. Regarding your example, it's not insulting someone if it's true. If someone lies and you call them a liar, you aren't insulting them. If someone steals and you call them a theft, you aren't insulting them. If someone believes Brian Clement looks like the typical SAD eater and you call them delusional, you aren't insulting them.



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