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This video totally surprised me. Did it surprised you?

I thought it was a great video. I have a lot to share about the subject. (For those who don't have time to watch, I will recap. Jeremy Safron, a raw vegan of 20 years, used raw goat milk from his own goats and other ethically raised animals, to help heal his ruptured disc injury. After a couple of years on dairy, he started getting hives as a direct result from the dairy and had to quit dairy, and now consumes it maybe 10 times a year.)

Chinese medicine is notorious with its use of animal products, but I avoid those in my formulas for people. I have helped many people recover from herniated discs without dairy. Once I helped a man with a ruptured disc who was recommeded surgery. I used herbs, acupuncture, gem and crystal therapy, external poultices (comfrey, just like Jeremy Safron), and bodywork. In four months he was able to do light work and by six months, he was doing medium work and by 8 months, he was normal...back to lifting heavy things (no surgery whatsoever). He got better faster than that, but he would have flare-up sometimes. The Chinese are often lactose intolerant, so you all can understand that they can heal these things without dairy.

I once talked to Brother Day, who runs the Essene church in Eugene, Oregon area and he says that he damaged his lower body by being raw vegan. I assume it had to do with his spine. He changed over to include milk and egg products, plus even some cooked vegetarian food. The reason I mention him is because he used to be a big advocate of the Essene Gospel of Peace.

The other positive milk story I have is I have a friend who, during WWII, was driven out of her home to SIberia because she was a Jew. Her family took their cow. SHe says their cow (milk) kept them alive, when food was scarce.

So I have learned to not be a vegan nazi around people who really feel they need dairy. But the fact is most of the people I see eating dairy are having either immune reactions, congestion or hormonal problems. Some people I see who are not congested from dairy are not immune to the hormones in it. Guess what happens to men who keep consuming estrogen long term?

But at the same time, it was such a sweet story that the goat wanted to be Jeremy's mother, and maybe she could tune in to his needs and eat certain things to give him certain nutrients. If people are going to ethically consume dairy, then yes, they should treat the animals like their mothers and pets.

Dairy animals from commercial farming, whether organic or conventional, are pushed to the max and they are often diseased, hence the milk is infected with harmful bacteria and viruses. Just because it might be organic, milk and cheese can still be full of infection.

THe only reason I wrote this long post is to warn people of eating raw dairy products. If you get sick, look to the dairy as the first culprit. You wouldn't kiss a sick person, so why drink milk from a sick cow? Few people have the chance to raise their own animal and make sure that it is not sick and if so, to never drink or sell the infected milk.

I saw a trend over the years that many raw vegans will dabble in raw dairy and eggs to help their health conditions. I saw these same raw vegans get sick from the raw dairy. Meanwhile, as an herbalist, I could never embrace 100% raw, because there are too many roots and herbs that need to be boiled. I even use distilled water, which needs to reach boiling temperatures. So, I shoot for high raw, and I do believe what Brian Clement said that our immune system operates better at approximately 75% raw or more, which is why I joined this board.

When a raw vegan faces injury like Jeremy Safron did, they might face a choice: to eat animal foods or used some cooked vegan herbs. One raw vegan asked me if I could just give him some raw powdered herbs. FOr some herbs, the answer is yes. But not all herbs are like that, for example horsetail has thiaminase which is bad for thiamin. Horsetail is excellent for bone healing.

One last thing about herbs. CHinese medicine has hundreds of formulas. Many of them come in extract form (precooked 5:1 extract), because almost no herbalist has time to make all these formulas to help the many number of people who need help. It would require too much stocking and inventory and office help. So even though fresh teas are much better, I end up using the extracts most of the time with people for convenience sake. WEstern herbalism is much less complicated because there are much fewer herbs to work with.

THis is why I personally like the vegan herbal traditions, which use high amounts of raw vegan food and juices, but do include some cooked vegan herbals.

Tai Wrote:
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>
> Dairy animals from commercial farming, whether
> organic or conventional, are pushed to the max and
> they are often diseased, hence the milk is
> infected with harmful bacteria and viruses. Just
> because it might be organic, milk and cheese can
> still be full of infection.


Yes, mass delivered/consumed dairy will never work for those reasons. If an animal is not ethically raised and it's young are deprived of milk, karma will be forthcoming. The Essenes well understood the use of occasional dairy use that only the cow etc could spare where the baby didn't miss out, that is the true ethical way to have dairy.


> WEstern herbalism is much less complicated
> because there are much fewer herbs to work with.


Ah yes, according to David Wolfe we don't need to worry about most herbs. If fact David tells us we can throw most of them away and just concern yourself with only 10 herbs. Can't say l can take him seriously saying such things.

Tai Wrote:
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> I thought it was a great video. I have a lot to
> share about the subject. (For those who don't have
> time to watch, I will recap. Jeremy Safron, a raw
> vegan of 20 years, used raw goat milk from his own
> goats and other ethically raised animals, to help
> heal his ruptured disc injury. After a couple of
> years on dairy, he started getting hives as a
> direct result from the dairy and had to quit
> dairy, and now consumes it maybe 10 times a
> year.)
>
> Chinese medicine is notorious with its use of
> animal products, but I avoid those in my formulas
> for people. I have helped many people recover
> from herniated discs without dairy. Once I helped
> a man with a ruptured disc who was recommeded
> surgery. I used herbs, acupuncture, gem and
> crystal therapy, external poultices (comfrey, just
> like Jeremy Safron), and bodywork. In four months
> he was able to do light work and by six months, he
> was doing medium work and by 8 months, he was
> normal...back to lifting heavy things (no surgery
> whatsoever). He got better faster than that, but
> he would have flare-up sometimes. The Chinese are
> often lactose intolerant, so you all can
> understand that they can heal these things without
> dairy.
>
> I once talked to Brother Day, who runs the Essene
> church in Eugene, Oregon area and he says that he
> damaged his lower body by being raw vegan. I
> assume it had to do with his spine. He changed
> over to include milk and egg products, plus even
> some cooked vegetarian food. The reason I mention
> him is because he used to be a big advocate of the
> Essene Gospel of Peace.
>
> The other positive milk story I have is I have a
> friend who, during WWII, was driven out of her
> home to SIberia because she was a Jew. Her family
> took their cow. SHe says their cow (milk) kept
> them alive, when food was scarce.
>
> So I have learned to not be a vegan nazi around
> people who really feel they need dairy. But the
> fact is most of the people I see eating dairy are
> having either immune reactions, congestion or
> hormonal problems. Some people I see who are not
> congested from dairy are not immune to the
> hormones in it. Guess what happens to men who
> keep consuming estrogen long term?
>
> But at the same time, it was such a sweet story
> that the goat wanted to be Jeremy's mother, and
> maybe she could tune in to his needs and eat
> certain things to give him certain nutrients. If
> people are going to ethically consume dairy, then
> yes, they should treat the animals like their
> mothers and pets.
>
> Dairy animals from commercial farming, whether
> organic or conventional, are pushed to the max and
> they are often diseased, hence the milk is
> infected with harmful bacteria and viruses. Just
> because it might be organic, milk and cheese can
> still be full of infection.
>
> THe only reason I wrote this long post is to warn
> people of eating raw dairy products. If you get
> sick, look to the dairy as the first culprit. You
> wouldn't kiss a sick person, so why drink milk
> from a sick cow? Few people have the chance to
> raise their own animal and make sure that it is
> not sick and if so, to never drink or sell the
> infected milk.
>
> I saw a trend over the years that many raw vegans
> will dabble in raw dairy and eggs to help their
> health conditions. I saw these same raw vegans get
> sick from the raw dairy. Meanwhile, as an
> herbalist, I could never embrace 100% raw, because
> there are too many roots and herbs that need to be
> boiled. I even use distilled water, which needs to
> reach boiling temperatures. So, I shoot for high
> raw, and I do believe what Brian Clement said that
> our immune system operates better at approximately
> 75% raw or more, which is why I joined this board.
>
>
> When a raw vegan faces injury like Jeremy Safron
> did, they might face a choice: to eat animal foods
> or used some cooked vegan herbs. One raw vegan
> asked me if I could just give him some raw
> powdered herbs. FOr some herbs, the answer is
> yes. But not all herbs are like that, for example
> horsetail has thiaminase which is bad for thiamin.
> Horsetail is excellent for bone healing.
>
> One last thing about herbs. CHinese medicine has
> hundreds of formulas. Many of them come in
> extract form (precooked 5:1 extract), because
> almost no herbalist has time to make all these
> formulas to help the many number of people who
> need help. It would require too much stocking and
> inventory and office help. So even though fresh
> teas are much better, I end up using the extracts
> most of the time with people for convenience sake.
> WEstern herbalism is much less complicated
> because there are much fewer herbs to work with.
>
>
> THis is why I personally like the vegan herbal
> traditions, which use high amounts of raw vegan
> food and juices, but do include some cooked vegan
> herbals.


Wow, Tai, another epic post! I wasn't sure about posting this video but I am very glad now that I did. I've learned a lot from what you have so nicely taken the time to learn and enlighten us with. I look forward to your future posts and am very glad you are here. Thank you!

Cool interview with excellent points made about the treatment of animals. I also enjoyed Kohler's remark about "loony" raw foodists. Safron's book was one of the first raw books I bought.

TAI I have Jeremy Saffrons book. He loved putting star fruits on everything. I heard he went over to raw milk somewhere. He is a cutie patutti.


I watched the video and the guy is feeding a goat with a branch and it looks VERY phallic. I wonder if I am seeing things.

I like that guy but I didn't know he is that open of a mind to be "open" to raw goat kitty milk. He said stray away from "labels" about what raw vegan means. Raw vegan means no animal products to me.

John Kohler had a recipe I made, the upside down salad. You put the creamy dressing first and then the leaves of your salad around in the shape of a flower. Sticking out.

WOW THAT IS JEREMY SAFFRIN NOW??? oh wow. A raw milk foodist

Hey if the goat came into his world, I am glad. I am glad its so soothing to breastfeed a goat, that he really NEEDS it and his body LOVES it, he was " WAY INTO IT" and he had to get goats milk, he was obsessed, way into it.

John is dissing the "hard core vegans", whats up with that??? He is too open minded for me. You have to have some ideals other than anything goes.

SUNRISE RITUAL of the goat and Jeremy?? Sounds very erotic!!!

AHAHAHAHAHA


OY.

I don't know. I am not into goat milk. I would much rather blend some nuts and water.

He tells a great story and its kind of inspiring. But I don't think it was the milk. All flesh is grass. Why not just eat grass Jeremy.





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How old is he?

Coconutcream wrote:
All flesh is grass. Why not just eat grass Jeremy.

Tai:
I think he tried wheatgrass, but there are other greens to try like juicing comfrey leaf, kale, collards, etc. The KEY is to juice ENOUGH (like a pound of leaf not stem) daily and rotate them. THe other key is to have a proper green juicer, which can properly extract the calcium, like a Green Star/elite, Angel, etc.
He mentioned he tried sesame seed. Did he sprout it first? Did he use enough?
To figure out what works and what fails, a person has to list the values and measurements of what they ate. Otherwise, how can anyone learn from the mistakes? All we know is that he drank 1-2 quarts of goat milk, but he doesn't say how much greens he tried or in what quantity or what form or what juicer.

SueZ wrote:
I've learned a lot from what you have so nicely taken the time to learn and enlighten us with.

Tai:
Thanks. Yes, it has been years of hard work.

P.S. I don't think it is really a big deal that Jeremy has some goats. I can't imagine having 30 acres and having to deal with overgrowth. Sometimes in working with a small garden or even an acre, I have often thought that having a goat would be nice to eat everything, instead of having to use a wood chipper. In fact, Soledad goat farm rents out their male goats as lawn mowers. They have a no-kill policy for all their goats. Yet, I still witnessed people getting sick from even the RAW ethically raised goat cheese.

coconutcream Wrote:
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> I don't know. I am not into goat milk. I would
> much rather blend some nuts and water.
>
> He tells a great story and its kind of inspiring.
> But I don't think it was the milk. All flesh is
> grass. Why not just eat grass Jeremy.

In the video Jeremy clearly said he ate wheatgrass it did not work.
He ate nuts it did not work.
He drank goat milk and it worked.
He is 20+ years vegan, eating raw, living food straight from his farm.
This is not a case of the raw food lacking nutrients.
The big question is why did not the raw vegan diet work?
And this is not an isolated case when it come to measuring long term effectiveness of the raw vegan diet.

I am more impressed by John than Jeremy.

I can't think of any biochemical reason why goat milk would cure back pain. It seems to me a mind over matter thing, as these things generally are.

John looks really super healthy--bursting with health healthy.

The goat looks happy. If that stays the case, it's ok with me.

A lot of people are backing away from the v word. They think it turns off more people than it turns on. And in some ways maybe they are right.

"Plant-based" is more neutral and I see it more and more these days.

If I had a happy goat, I just might do that too. But then I think about the property tax bills and the vet bills and the gasoline bills and I know it will never happen.

But baby goats are among my favorites. Some of my happiest memories from childhood were from playing with baby goats.

It will always be a dream to have some of my own.

For now I have three very large monkeys. I thought they were dogs when I got them but they turned out to be monkeys! They can open cabinet doors, the gate in the backyard, etc. They push me around with their long snouts. They tell me, "Do this, Do that," and I do it. Sometimes I like to pretend that they are goats.

Tai Wrote:
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> Coconutcream wrote:
> All flesh is grass. Why not just eat grass
> Jeremy.
>
> Tai:
> I think he tried wheatgrass, but there are other
> greens to try like juicing comfrey leaf, kale,
> collards, etc. The KEY is to juice ENOUGH (like a
> pound of leaf not stem) daily and rotate them.
> THe other key is to have a proper green juicer,
> which can properly extract the calcium, like a
> Green Star/elite, Angel, etc.
> He mentioned he tried sesame seed. Did he sprout
> it first? Did he use enough?
> To figure out what works and what fails, a person
> has to list the values and measurements of what
> they ate. Otherwise, how can anyone learn from
> the mistakes? All we know is that he drank 1-2
> quarts of goat milk, but he doesn't say how much
> greens he tried or in what quantity or what form
> or what juicer.
>
> SueZ wrote:
> I've learned a lot from what you have so nicely
> taken the time to learn and enlighten us with.
>
> Tai:
> Thanks. Yes, it has been years of hard work.
>
> P.S. I don't think it is really a big deal that
> Jeremy has some goats. I can't imagine having 30
> acres and having to deal with overgrowth.
> Sometimes in working with a small garden or even
> an acre, I have often thought that having a goat
> would be nice to eat everything, instead of having
> to use a wood chipper. In fact, Soledad goat farm
> rents out their male goats as lawn mowers. They
> have a no-kill policy for all their goats. Yet, I
> still witnessed people getting sick from even the
> RAW ethically raised goat cheese.

Keeping a no kill acreage with "livestock" is an incredibly difficult and time consuming vacationless lifestyle best left for those who truly have a passion for it, IMO.

I have a relative who has pet cows. An elderly one fell into the pond and it took two fire engines and a lot of fire hoses used as slings to rescue him. Old cows are way more expensive to take care of than old dogs are - for one thing.

I love goats, but...

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As the goat keepers say, never, never, turn your back on a billy goat. Lol.

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And then there's this aspect...

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arugula Wrote:
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> I am more impressed by John than Jeremy.
>
> I can't think of any biochemical reason why goat
> milk would cure back pain. It seems to me a mind
> over matter thing, as these things generally are.
>
> John looks really super healthy--bursting with
> health healthy.

The reason may be that Jeremy was B12 deficient and the goat milk helped him that way.
I agree, John is really healthy, what is his diet?



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I do not know what his diet is for sure, but he is not into absolute dogma. His main thing is incorporating lots of fresh fruits and vegetables.

I suspect that means steamed vegetables now and then, maybe more. He is not very thin, that is for sure. I wonder where he is getting his extra calories.

Rick Dina is impressive, too. He says here that if he could choose between steamed broccoli and 100% raw vegan cheesecake he would pick the steamed broccoli and that is a "no brainer." I tend to agree. I have never done the high fat raw gourmet stuff. It defeats the purpose of the diet.

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So what makes steamed broccoli a better choice over raw broccoli or broccoli juice?

The problem with juicing is that the fiber is removed. Not a big deal if you get plenty of fiber but many people don't get enough fiber. I think green juices are fine if you get enough fiber.

Raw broccoli that isn't juiced is hard to digest. Shredding makes it easier. But
steamed broccoli is even easier to digest than raw shredded broccoli.

But the point he was trying to make is that just because it's raw, it doesn't mean it's the best possible choice.

And the points all three of them are making is that maybe if 100% raw 100% of the time is too hard and most people will fail, why not make it at least mostly raw and something that people can stick with for life.

Dina cites two fibromyalgia studies:

1. the Hallelujah acres study, where the diet was very largely raw but some cooked food slipped in and some people even had a bit of animal products now and then. They still enjoyed remarkable improvement from their symptoms and in the long-term, were still improved because they could stick with the program.

2. A Finnish study using sprouts and fermented foods, very strict. The people who were on the program did great. But a year later, they slipped back into their old habits and their symptoms had returned.

I'd rather see more people healthier, sticking with a mostly raw, very high fruit and vegetable intake, than tell them it's either my way 100% strictly raw all the time or the highway and see them drop out and eat junk.

Well, just my opinion, I'd go with Tai's herbs over milk and raw veggies over cooked any day.

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> Well, just my opinion, I'd go with Tai's herbs
> over milk and raw veggies over cooked any day.


What make herbs special, are they delicious, and nutritious?

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
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> > Well, just my opinion, I'd go with Tai's herbs
> > over milk and raw veggies over cooked any day.
>
>
> What make herbs special, are they delicious, and
> nutritious?

IMO, that they are natural medicine makes them just as special as other earthly foods. Many of them are delicious many aren't. All of the nontoxic ones, so far as I know, are nutritious. Why do you ask? Are you new to this planet? There seems to be a major influx of visitors from other invisible levels of existence, or planets, or something, to this website so it's getting confusing around here recognizing all the various lifeforms who may have different dietary needs. Anyway, herbs are generally considered to be food that is indigenous to earth - except to David Wolf maybe.

I think John Kohler has been a raw foodist for 18 years or so? Is that who you're talking about "John"? And he eats a ton of raw fruits and vegetables, some fermented foods, hardly any dehydrated/salted/agave-containing foods, green juices, and about 15-20% of calories from fat. As far as I remember. His channel is okraw.

You are so funny. It is a blessing to have you on this forum.
I am normally from planet Venus.
I am not into herbs but my father was a healer and he used herbs so I know how potent they can be.
For me when I cannot grow it indoor, I tend not to use.



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> For me when I cannot grow it indoor, I tend not to
> use.

I am very lucky. I can walk to the outdoors freezer and grab handfuls of herbs to bring back inside my cave to eat as easily as I can grab them out of the kitchen. Less stairs, too.

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> Are you new to this planet? There
> seems to be a major influx of visitors from other
> invisible levels of existence, or planets, or
> something, to this website so it's getting
> confusing around here recognizing all the various
> lifeforms who may have different dietary needs.



Excellent, l like it, and l laugh to sub-moderate levels when reading this.

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arugula
Rick Dina is impressive, too. He says here that if he could choose between steamed broccoli and 100% raw vegan cheesecake he would pick the steamed broccoli and that is a "no brainer." I tend to agree. I have never done the high fat raw gourmet stuff. It defeats the purpose of the diet.

I had raw cheesecake today, it was so delicious. Is there something wrong with me? It was a small slice from a raw restaurant I treat myself to maybe 2 times a month. I think avocado lime. It was yummy.

I hear what you are saying. But raw cheezcake I think is better than Raw goat milk. That is just me. I remember Rick Dina. Wow that was a long time ago huh. He has beard right?

Was that a vegetable cheesecake?

coconutcream Wrote:
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> I had raw cheesecake today, it was so delicious.
> Is there something wrong with me?
>

No, of course not. I think what he means is that there are
better choices, such as an apple or something. There are some
people who eat a lot of very high fat gourmet foods regularly
but these are not the most health-promoting choices in raw
diets.

> I hear what you are saying. But raw cheezcake I
> think is better than Raw goat milk.


I agree from the goat's point of view.


> I remember Rick Dina. Wow that was a long time
> ago huh. He has beard right?


I don't remember him having a beard. He looks to be in his
early 40s now. He is cute.

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This is a very interesting story, but like most testimonials and other types of anecdotal evidence, there’s just not enough information to really know what happened. For example, Jeremy said that he tried everything, but gave little details, especially about Juice Fasting. I’ve coached thousands of people and quite a few of them told me that they have Juice Fasted before, but NOT one of them did it correctly. I’ve also coached dozens of people who were scheduled for back surgery for a supposed “herniated disc” and all of them got better on a Juice Fast/Feast in less than 2 months. The problem with most people is a simple one of Dehydration, which is why I always get all of my students to get a scale that will measure their Water %. Everyone I coach is usually below 50% when they need to be closer to 70%. Think about that - if we are supposed to be ~70% Water and we’re only ~50% Water, then most of our Systems that are using Water, which is most of our Systems, are operating below 72%.

All of that being said, I really don’t think that Dehydration was Jeremy’s problem, especially since he was consuming so much water rich food for several decades. Indeed, there very well may have been something in the Goat’s Milk that helped heal Jeremy’s back problem, but there is also another possible explanation for why Jeremy Saffrons got relief from drinking Goat’s Milk and it ties into Dr. John Sarnos’s explanation for most Back Pain. What I thought was very telling is that Jeremy mentioned about not being breast fed, so maybe he has some psychological issues with that and the goat replaced his mother and overcame that psychological Distraction.

According to Sarno, Back Pain is used to Distract us from other things, so perhaps Jeremy was thinking my mom didn’t love me because she didn’t breast feed me and now, he overcame that issue with the goat or something along those lines - see the snippet below.

Here are a couple of snippets from my file on Back Pain that explain the role of Dehydration and Dr. Sarno's Innovative Treatment Program for Back Pain:

According to Dr. F Batmanghelidj, author of Water for Health, for Healing, for Life, the simplest cure for chronic back pain is as close as your kitchen sink. Dehydrated muscles can spasm causing pain, says Dr. Batman, and adequate hydration prevents painful muscle cramps. Dehydrated spinal discs cannot vacuum enough water back in to their cores, so they can no longer function as good shock absorbers; but keep them hydrated and they will keep you pain-free. Fatigue caused by chronic dehydration creates poor posture, causing you to shift back and press on nearby nerves causing back pain. Drink enough water and fatigue and pain can be a thing of the past.

Dr. John E. Sarno
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• Are you ready to hear what's really causing your back pain? Ask John Sarno, M.D.
• Many people without back pain have disc buldges, and lots of people with pain have no structural problems.
• Most chronic back pain, says Sarno, stems not from an injury, ruptured disk or other structural defect; it stems instead from a delicate and deceptive mind-body minuet that is intended to distract your attention from something that many people find more sinister than pain -- the dark rumblings of the unconscious.
• When the unconscious is faced with the stresses, restrictions and demands of life, it reacts with outrage and anxiety. These disturbing feelings constantly threaten to erupt into consciousness -- a prospect so terrible to most people, says Sarno, that something he calls "the decision-maker in the brain" sidesteps it by creating physical pain instead.
• Operating via the autonomic nervous system (which controls blood circulation and other involuntary functions), the brain reduces the blood supply to a targeted group of muscles, tendons and nerves (often in a recently injured area), mildly depriving them of oxygen. This causes pain -- pain that can become chronic and disabling. Sarno has dubbed this condition tension myositis syndrome (TMS).
• The key to healing TMS, says Sarno, is to address the mind, which orchestrated it.
• When I occasionally feel a little pain," says Stanwood, "it's my psychological signal that there's something I'm shutting out. And as soon as I take notice, the pain goes away.
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Dr. Sarno and his Treatment

Dr. John E. Sarno is Professor of Clinical Rehabilitation Medicine at New York University School of Medicine and attending physician at the Rusk Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine, New York University Medical Center.

Since 1973, Dr. Sarno has conducted research and clinical practice on disorders relating to pain. Through his ground-breaking experience, Dr. Sarno has identified the cause of most common back, neck, shoulder, and limb pain and has developed a revolutionary treatment program which has helped many to become pain-free.

Over half a million readers of Dr. Sarno's books as well as thousands of his patients, have shared a common bond: the discovery that the agony of most back pain - and its cure - has a basis in the mind.

Dr. Sarno's innovative treatment program is based solely on providing knowledge and understanding of the true source of the pain. The core of this treatment is a lecture presentation in which Dr. Sarno leads his patients through a process of realization of the relationship between emotions and physical symptoms as well as the power of awareness as a cure for many common pain syndromes.

Thousands who have become pain free through reading his books or attending his lectures attest to the accuracy of the diagnosis and the effectiveness of Dr. Sarno's treatment program.
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Media Coverage
The Rosie O’Donnell Show

Rosie's comedy producer, Jeanette Barber was unable to walk due to "horrible" ankle pain, which persisted for three years. After being told she'd never walk again due to "incurable" tendonitis, Jeanette came on the show with a plea to the audience for an answer to her problem. A few weeks later, the show received hundreds of letters, many from people recommending Dr. Sarno's book, "Healing Back Pain." Jeanette read the book, went to Dr. Sarno's lecture, and within three weeks was completely cured. Rosie invited the doctor to appear on the show to thank him personally. "I've know Jeanette for fifteen years" Rosie explained to Dr. Sarno, "Before she attended your lecture she was crying every day from the pain. Now, she's walking again and completely pain-free."

ABC’s 20/20 with John Stossel

Television news correspondent and former patient, John Stossel described Dr. Sarno's program as a radically simple treatment for back pain in segment on 20/20, which followed three patients through their entire treatment process, (one of whom was Jeanette Barber). Mr. Stossel talked about the fact that recently scientists have discovered that there is almost no correlation between pain and what shows up on X-rays and MRI's. "Many people without back pain have disc buldges, and lots of people with pain have no structural problems."

Prior to hearing Dr. Sarno's lecture, the three subjects were collectively using heat packs, electric current, whirlpool baths, pain pills, stretching, shiatsu and steriods, however nothing worked well or permanently. After the lecture, two were pain-free within seven days. As described above, Jeanette was pain-free within three weeks.

Larry King Show

Inspired by the doctor's appearance on 20/20, television interviewer Larry King invited Dr. Sarno to appear on his show, "Larry King Live". Mr. King dedicated an entire episode to a round table discussion on the revolutionary aspects of Dr. Sarno's work and it's relationship to traditional diagnosis and treatment. Joining Mr. King and Dr. Sarno were spine surgeon, Patrick O'Leary, defense attorney and back pain sufferer Robert Shapiro as well as Jeanette Barber and radio talk-show host Howard Stern who also has been successfully treated by Dr.Sarno. The topics included the importance of making a correct diagnosis and understanding that, in the case of TMS, the pain is real but the cause is stress related.
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Your Aching Back
BY DIANE GUERNSEY

Are you ready to hear what's really causing your back pain? Ask John Sarno, M.D.

Your back is killing you. (It has for years.) You've tried bed rest and heating pads; ice, massage and ibuprofen; you've been adjusted by the chiropractor; you've visited the doctor (the CT scan revealed a herniated disk; you're trying hard not to think about surgery, but it's looming). If this applies to you, you may want to pay a call on Dr. John Sarno.


For thirty years, Sarno, a professor of clinical rehabilitation medicine at New York University School of Medicine and an attending physician at the Rusk Institute of Rehabilitation Medicine, also in New York City, has made it his business to get people who suffer from chronic pain in the back (or neck, shoulders, arms or other parts of the body) to see the causes of their affliction in a new light and be healed, once and for all. His methods are unorthodox -- they're at once hands-off and extremely personal -- but over the years they've won a vast army of followers, including actress Anne Bancroft and ABC's 20/20 correspondent John Stossel. "With one lecture, Sarno cured me of twenty years of back pain. It's so embarrassing!" exclaimed Stossel last year on 20/20.

The World According to Sarno Most chronic back pain, says Sarno, stems not from an injury, ruptured disk or other structural defect; it stems instead from a delicate and deceptive mind-body minuet that is intended to distract your attention from something that many people find more sinister than pain -- the dark rumblings of the unconscious.
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The Syndrome

"We have two minds," Sarno asserts. "We're almost dual personalities, like Jekyll and Hyde. If you have any doubts, just think about dreaming. You see how different and strange your dreams are, and that's because they're coming from the unconscious mind." The unconscious, he writes in The Mind-body Prescription (Warner Books; $14), is "pleasure-loving, entirely self-involved...often illogical and irrational." (If this sounds familiar, it is: Sarno makes no bones about his debt to Freud.) When the unconscious is faced with the stresses, restrictions and demands of life, it reacts with outrage and anxiety. These disturbing feelings constantly threaten to erupt into consciousness -- a prospect so terrible to most people, says Sarno, that something he calls "the decision-maker in the brain" sidesteps it by creating physical pain instead.

Operating via the autonomic nervous system (which controls blood circulation and other involuntary functions), the brain reduces the blood supply to a targeted group of muscles, tendons and nerves (often in a recently injured area), mildly depriving them of oxygen. This causes pain -- pain that can become chronic and disabling. Sarno has dubbed this condition tension myositis syndrome (TMS). Although the back is a common TMS site, Sarno's view is that TMS can also generate pain in the head, neck, shoulders, jaw or elsewhere in the body, depending on an individual's susceptibility.

The Talking Cure The key to healing TMS, says Sarno, is to address the mind, which orchestrated it. "The program consists of lectures and group meetings, depending on what the patient needs," he says. "I ask them to give it a trial of at least two months. The majority need only the lectures, and then they get better. About twenty percent are referred for psychotherapy to work on their feelings more deeply."

Since his first TMS diagnosis, in 1973, Sarno has treated some 11,000 patients, with an estimated success rate of 80 percent. This may partly reflect his practice of screening out patients who are unreceptive to his ideas; nonetheless, it is impressive. Indeed, when Stossel's 20/20 reporters checked with a random sampling of twenty former patients, all said they were "better" or "much better." And, says Sarno, "the recidivist rate is low. I've seen thousands of patients a year, and only one or two have come back later with more pain."
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The Perfect Case

Elizabeth Stanwood (not her actual name), a successful magazine executive, is the archetypal Sarno patient. "I came to Dr. Sarno in the late 1980s for lower back pain," she recalls. "I'd had a skiing accident, and the next day, my back hurt so much I couldn't walk. For years afterward it bothered me, especially when I wore high heels; I had trouble standing at cocktail parties, but even sitting down would hurt. Dr. Sarno examined me, looked at my x-rays and ruled out anything that would require disk surgery. He said I was his perfect patient." By this, Sarno referred also to Stanwood's personality. Ambitious and accomplished, she displayed the traits that Sarno associates with TMS: perfectionism, hyperconscientiousness and "goodism, a need to be helpful to others, often to the extent of sacrificing your own needs." These are traits that, however admirable, place additional stress on the already harried and irascible unconscious.

Skeptical, Stanwood tried Sarno's prescription: a series of three weekly lectures, which he delivered at the Rusk Institute, with telephone consultations as needed (the entire program costs about $800). "I sat there in a classroom with about twenty other people," she says, recalling how Sarno thoroughly described the workings of TMS and fielded a flurry of questions. "The most important thing he told me," says Stanwood, "was, 'When you've injured your back in the way you did, it heals in a day and a half, like a cut on your finger.' I had to keep telling myself that even if I'd hurt my back in the accident, my injury was not causing my pain.

"At first I didn't have high hopes, because I am such an analytical, self-conscious person," she continues. "I just decided to let it work its way into my unconscious; I let it percolate. And after four or five months, I had no back pain."
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The Doctor Is In

Although Sarno calls himself a medical "heretic," some of his colleagues differ. "I admire him tremendously," says Benjamin J. Sadock, vice-chairman of the department of psychiatry at NYU School of Medicine. "He's been at the Rusk Institute a long time, and there's no doubt that he's respected as a clinician and theorist. Some doctors may disagree with his diagnoses, but nobody disagrees with his integrity and ethical standards.

"He emphasizes that in back pain, there's more of a psychological stress factor than there is a structural factor," Sadock continues. "Traditional biomedical practitioners, such as orthopedic surgeons or even neurologists, are more likely to accept a structural deficiency. He points out that you can take a cohort of people and show that each of them has structural damage -- researchers have done this -- but that only 10 percent of people with structural damage have back pain. He says, 'Let's take a look at these individuals' lives.' As we look at their lives, we find tremendous stresses, more than average. This is reflected in our colloquial language -- 'This is breaking my back'; 'This is a pain in the neck.' There's an intuitive wisdom there that you can't discount."

Sarno's patients pay him the most compelling homage of all, however -- by making his precepts a part of their lives. "When I occasionally feel a little pain," says Stanwood, "it's my psychological signal that there's something I'm shutting out. And as soon as I take notice, the pain goes away." She concludes, serenely, "I do feel that I'm in total command of my pain. I'm totally relaxed about my back."

Dr. Sarno's office is located at 400 East 34th Street, New York, NY 10016; 212-263-6036. He has trained a number of physicians nationwide in the treatment of TMS and will provide their names in response to a written request.
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Peace and Love.......John

Is there a problem even if Jeremy had used the goat milk as the first option?
He is take care of the goat and the goat is giving him the milk in return.
And it is his main food, it is like taking a B12 pill that must of us do.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/05/2015 03:44PM by CommonSenseRaw.

what is surprising about the video is that two otherwise intelligent people not once mention b12, so there's no way to know.

he claimed it was the fats.

while this is possible, it is only possible if his body was not healthy and was having a problem converting fats, not because of some deficiency in vegan foods.

so it could have been dehydration or b12, or excess nuts or excess fats or cacao, or something else, since he was not specific about his diet. but he did mention a lot of fats and nuts, etc.