Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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dewey
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Date: August 16, 2008 03:25PM thanks
patty Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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rost0037
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Date: August 16, 2008 07:15PM Great to know for budget reasons... but the #1 reason to buy organic is planet health. I'd like to see a ranking of those that tend to use more or less chemical inputs--I know for example, that potatoes (not raw, I just know this) are one where they really use tons of chemicals, and avoided conventional ones for that reason--environmental. It all ends up in the water we drink, so it's still health-related Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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dewey
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Date: August 16, 2008 08:48PM plus i was wondering about nutrition level. organic soils are more nutrient dense than the soil conventional foods grow in right?
patty Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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rawangel
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Date: August 16, 2008 09:08PM thank you for this info. it's good to know for emergency food eating purposes, but i'm still going to continue to buy 100% organic produce. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Wheatgrass Yogi
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Date: August 16, 2008 09:15PM I just bought some non-Organic Asparagus (from Peru) for my
Green Smoothie tonight. I got a large amount for only 2 Dollars and Change......WY Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Anonymous User
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Date: August 19, 2008 12:20AM Hi Friends,
Science is proving that organic foods are healthier for you and contain higher counts of vitamins, nutrients and antioxidants. Organic products typically cost 10 to 40% more than similar conventionally produced products. Processed organic foods vary in price when compared to their conventional counterparts. But it is possible to eat 100% organic if you systematically budget it. You can find some great tips for budgeting organic food in the article linked below [www.organicauthority.com] Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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zella
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Date: August 19, 2008 01:05AM asparagus in a green smoothie eh? verrry interesting. I have not gone there. I dunno if I am ready to go there.
anyways .better comment on the thread now. pesticides kill the bees who polinate the flowers of the food we eat. no more bees..no more food. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Wheatgrass Yogi
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Date: August 19, 2008 10:25AM zella Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > asparagus in a green smoothie eh? verrry > interesting. I have not gone there. I dunno if I > am ready to go there. I've been using 4 Spears in every Green Smoothie. It's not enough to alter the taste, and I'm not sure I'll continue with the Asparagus when I finish this supply. We are only Limited by our own Imaginations.....WY Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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iLIVE
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Date: August 19, 2008 10:56AM I would still probably only buy organic, just for the health reasons. It's always fun to run into whole foods and see what variety they have that's new to organic. I'm always like.. "YES they have such and such organic today!" or whatever haha, and that sets my food plan for the next few days. I wish organic pineapple would start to get here dammit! I think it's an autumn fruit. Luckily there's loads of organic mango right now MMM Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Wheatgrass Yogi
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Date: August 19, 2008 11:32AM iLIVE Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I would still probably only buy organic, just for > the health reasons. I think you can still be Healthy living on a little non-Organic. My Tomatoes (Campari) are not Organic. I think it's more important to Live an overcoming Life. That includes much more than just Diet....WY Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Lightform
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Date: August 19, 2008 11:50AM I don't know about that guide.. I worked on a kiwifruit orchid where the owners dog strayed into the vines about 2 days or so after they had been sprayed and it either killed it or made it violently sick. Apparently they need longer than that to become safe, go figure.
I do agree with WY in that diet is only one aspect of health, but obviously the better you eat the better your health will be. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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fresh
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Date: August 19, 2008 12:54PM - i eat some organic and some conventional
- to use the Amount of pesticides found on produce is not a valid measure. tiny amounts of pesticides can be very toxic. so it's the types of pesticides used also. this excerpt from link below Perhaps most importantly, organic crops are less agressively watered prior to shipping because they are often varieties that have better diesase and pest resistance, rather then shippability characteristics. A water-logged crop is less able to defend itself and actually emits a pheremone that draws insects in from miles around. An ag professor of mine once called vegetables, “water in pretty wrappings,” as that’s what most conventional fruits are. Organic is more nutritionally dense because it’s less diluted. Bio-dynamic is actually even more dense than organic, though I’m sure the difference would be lessened if farms of the same size were compared, since organic superfarms are not all about the soil building. There’s only so much you can do within the mechanized paradigm of farms of over 50 hectares/110 acres. While it is true that even mega-organic farmers do build the soil with important microbes found in compost that are better able to recycle nutrients and breakdown sub soils and parent materials for mineral nutrition, there is precious little difference for decades—much longer than the 2-5 year organic cert process for most farms. Vitamins, on the other hand, are more plentiful in short order. Soils are complex and living systems that take thousands of years to build and VERY FEW to destroy. Hence, the problem w/ depleted soils Building a friable and well-textured soil does not a “healthy” soil make—it’s just a start. The most mineral dense vegetables come when grown with fruit trees (as in bio-dynamics or permaculture) or using tree compost, as they are able to mine mineral nutrients from far deeper than the effective root zone (ERZ) of most crops (usually 7-45cm/3-18 inches). The exception to this is alfalfa, which has an ERZ of nearly 2m/6feet, so a mixed use system that incorporates grazing with soil building with alfalfa in a 5-7 year rotation is another alternative. In short, not all organic is created equal. The mineral density (as opposed to the blanket term of nutrient density) is highly depended upon the techniques employed. I don’t believe in hoof and horn mixture, but I do believe in everything else the BD farmers use, and it has been proven in lab tests. [goneraw.com] another article [www.nytimes.com] Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Wheatgrass Yogi
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Date: August 19, 2008 01:15PM Lightform and Fresh.....Your points are well-taken. I especially
liked the point about the pesticides used in other countries are often illegal in the US. I guess one just has to enter "The No-Compromise Zone", when it comes to eating Organic, because you don't really know what you're getting with Conventional......WY Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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rawangel
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Date: August 20, 2008 03:03PM Here is another interesting article that I received in my local raw food group's email distribution. I don't know if the original post was extrapalated from this, but there is a (safe) conventional produce list and also a (must be) organic produce list. Interesting note about GMO foods and the coding label system at the end which is probably of greater significance these days!
Good Article re: Benefits of Organic Produce / vs. Conventional vs. Posted by: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:19 am (PDT) Organic or Conventional Food? Here are some guidelines. The biggest study ever into organic food found that: * Organic fruit and vegetables contain up to 40 percent more antioxidants * Organic produce had higher levels of beneficial minerals like iron and zinc * Milk from organic herds contained up to 90 percent more antioxidants Food grown in healthier soil, with natural fertilizers and no chemicals, is more nutritious, although this knowledge is greatly suppressed in the United States. A 2003 study in the Journal of Agricultural Food Chemistry found that organic foods are better for fighting cancer <[articles]. mercola.com/ sites/articles/ archive/2003/ 04/26/organic- v\ egetables.aspx> . And in 2005, scientists found organically fed rats experienced various health benefits, including: * Improved immune system status * Better sleeping habits * Less weight and were slimmer than rats fed other diets * Higher vitamin E content in their blood (for organically fed rats) Aside from the fact that organic food contains higher levels of vital nutrients, organic foods are also lower in other residues and compounds that are seriously detrimental to your health, such as herbicide and pesticide residues. Here is the list of foods you should buy organic, in order of importance: · Strawberries – very toxic * Peaches * Apples * Sweet bell peppers * Celery * Nectarines * Strawberries * Cherries * Lettuce * Grapes (imported) * Pears * Spinach * Potatoes Locally-grown organics are best, and can local conventionally grown food may be better than imported organic because organic farming standards are questionable in many parts of the world. On the flip side, the following 12 foods had the lowest pesticide load when conventionally grown and are the safest conventionally grown foods: * Broccoli * Eggplant * Cabbage * Banana * Kiwi * Asparagus * Sweet peas (frozen) * Mango * Pineapple * Sweet corn (frozen) * Avocado * Onion Now, we also have to watch out for GMO foods! Much of our produce is now available in GMO varieties without being labeled GMO. Even worse, many deliberate GMO field trials <[biotech]. jrc.it/deliberat e/taxonomy. asp> are actually going on all across the world. In Hawaii, non-GMO papaya seed supplies are now seriously contaminated by GMO seeds <[www.grain]. org/research/ contamination. cfm?id=165> and at least 50 percent of organic seeds test positive for GMO! So eating organic Hawaiian papaya gives you a greater than 50/50 chance of eating GMO. The U.S. does not require GMO food to be labeled. However, you can determine if food is GMO by looking at its PLU code <[www.plucodes] .com/docs/ IFPS-plu_ codes_users_ guide.pdf> . For example: * Conventional uses a 4-digit PLU code (Ex: banana: 4011) * Organic uses a 5-digit code, starting with 9: (Ex: banana: 94011) * Genetically engineered (GE or GMO) uses a 5-digit code, starting with 8: (Ex: GE banana: 84011) Here are other fruits LOW in pesticides, and OK to purchase as conventionally- grown, IF you're not buying a GMO variety. * Avocado – A new GMO avocado variety is scheduled to be introduced this year that is immune to "stress" and pests, per an Indian state report <[209.85]. 165.104/search? q=cache:KBgzUcFx de4J:www2. ohchr.org/ englis\ h/bodies/cescr/ docs/info- ngos/GMOsIndia40 .doc+avocado+ gmo+patent& hl=en&c\ t=clnk&cd=7& gl=us> published in March, 2008. * Bananas – The first GMO banana <[www.gmofoodf] orthought. com/2008/ 02/healthier_ gm_bananas_ in_queens\ .html> with extra genes that increase its levels of pro-vitamin A and iron is being grown in Australian field trials this year. At Cornell University, researchers are also working to develop a banana <[www.factmons] ter.com/spot/ frankenfoods1. html> that carries the hepatitis B vaccine. * Pineapple -- GMO pineapples <[www.netlink]. de/gen/Zeitung/ 2000/000313a. html> , designed to produce greater levels of proteins, vitamins and sugars may already be on the market. Australia began this in 2002. The pineapple is called "Smooth Cayenne," which has delayed flowering and herbicide resistance. It also contains the tobacco acetolactate synthase gene (suR from Nicotiana tabacum. * Kiwi -- The transgenic variety of kiwi <[www.springer] link.com/ content/t7x5m334 mr75254h/> fruit is the Actinidia deliciosa from Italy <[biotech]. jrc.it/deliberat e/dbplants. asp> . Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2008 03:06PM by rawangel. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Sundancer
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Date: August 20, 2008 05:44PM Though non-organic foods are in my opinion harming the earth greatly, I am more afraid of GMO foods because no one really knows what they are capable of, so I just stick to organics and grow as much as I can myself. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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Joanne81
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Date: August 20, 2008 06:41PM I still prefer organic produce. The extra cost is worth it to me. Organic is more nutritious (coming from richer soil), it's less harmful to the producers and to the environment. Plus, even though it is more expensive a collective increase in demand will effect the supply. That will increase the number of sustainable farms in the world. Eating some non-organic things, like bananas for example, may not be as harmful to the consumer's health because the pesticides are unable to seep into the thick skin. Never-the-less the pesticides still leak into the water supplies of the people who live in the regions they are grown. The large companies in banana plantations are also known to spray chemicals right over the workers. This is correlated with high rates of cancer and infertility. Non-organic produce uses petroleum-based fertilizers that pollute the environment and harm rivers and oceans. I'll pay the extra so I can be assured of higher quality and environmental sustainability. Re: 12 Foods You Don't Have to Buy Organic
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kwan
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Date: August 20, 2008 08:29PM I prefer organic too, but at the moment I can't afford it most of the time. I'm glad I get some organic produce from my community garden, but most of what I buy locally is non-organic, because food prices are particularly high in my area. Sharrhan: [www.facebook.com] Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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