This thread has become spam central. I'm out. Good luck nedsin.

As much as I hate to keep this thread going, I just wanted to say one last time that Nedsin, I'm sorry - sorry for going off on you the way I did, it was a terribly mean thing for me to do. I'm especially sorry for calling you stupid. You're trying or at least you seem to be and that's what counts.

nedsin Wrote:
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> I think someday I will write a
> book about my experiences on this forum and what I
> did to get healthy with a raw diet, and how mean I
> was treated by some of you people, one thing I
> know is tha a raw diet doesn't make some of you
> less critical or hateful.

"AND THEN YOU'LL ALL BE SORRY!" *runs upstairs and slams bedroom door*

hey neddy, which London mag? that could come in useful for my darts practice.

lisa m Wrote:
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> nedsin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think someday I will write a
> > book about my experiences on this forum and what
> I
> > did to get healthy with a raw diet, and how mean
> I
> > was treated by some of you people, one thing I
> > know is tha a raw diet doesn't make some of you
> > less critical or hateful.
>
> "AND THEN YOU'LL ALL BE SORRY!" *runs upstairs
> and slams bedroom door*
>
> hey neddy, which London mag? that could come in
> useful for my darts practice.


Thanks for proving his point, even if he is being somewhat silly about it.

He mentioned the name of the mag already on page 1 of this thread!

Lets leave Neddy alone to pout now, okay?

> It annoys me that Raw foodist and zealots are promoting that
> you can bulid muscle on the raw food diet, when in
> all reality, you pretty much CANT! and if you do,
> you were already skinny and probably got more
> TONED. - The Raw food diet can only get you
> RIPPED, I bet there is not one person on this
> forum that can tell me they gained mass from the
> RAW FOOD DIET, because you CANT!

I've just started reading Storm & Jinjee's "Raw Vegan Shopping and Diet Plans" eBook. In the section on raw vegan weight gain, Storm says:

" Weight gain and building muscle mass is a subject that was of extreme importance to me because I was always under weight. No matter how much I ate I could never gain any weight. I weighed about 165 until I started eating The Raw Vegan Diet. Then even though I was eating about half the amount of food that I used to I was able to build muscle mass."

Maybe you should check this book out or contact Storm and ask him some questions.

Wow such a disappointing post.

Sorry, but there is no such thing as an ideal form of healthiness. Regardless of what the controlled-minded people of society believe from the media, they're being misled. The main important principle of life is internal body maintenance, not external physical attributes. One must realize that constantly stressing the tissues and cells of the body brings an early death. Appreciating what your internal body does for you every single second of time is also a main priority of life.

Unfortunately, since you've removed the consumption of meat from your diet, your body mass is going to deplete. You have removed a form of high density food from your diet. In order to build mass you have to consume mass. And eating low caloric raw foods aren't going to supply you with the amount of mass and essential nutrients needed in order build and maintain your "ideal" definition. As long as you're constantly working out and burning the low energy received from raw foods, you won't be able to maintain your ideal look. The only possible way to achieve it with raw foods is correct food combinations and amounts at specific times of the day. And doing it completely on various nuts and grains as your only protein source may not bring you your ideal results. If you want to gain or maintain your mass, then I suggest sticking to your meat or calculate the amounts of nuts per mass of grams that are equivalent to meat, and you just may get the results you seeking.

Because the Raw Food Diet is an ancient philosophy of eating, ancient people knew how to manage their energy levels. They never wasted their energy on useless exercise for physical gratification. They used it for walking, running, gardening and so on. So if you're unable to get the results you want with just nuts then sorry but the Raw Food Diet isn't for you. Ancient people also use to eat raw meat. Not sure if that's ethical in our conservative modern society.

Well, best of luck to life.

Eventually when my digital camera gets fixed I'll post my physique on eating/living on rawfoods for 6 plus years.
Someone will also have to give me pointers on doing this because this site I think requires a link and you just can't post your pics.

What was the name of the website that helps in posting pictures, photoshop/photobucket/photosomething.com......?


Why Vegan?
Because I have the most love and admiration for all animals of the earth!!!
a rawvegan hopeful, rawdev4life!!!

If you are looking for a raw forum with a successful raw foodist who is very into fitness and training, check out Doug Graham's board at [www.vegsource.com] and his website at www.foodnsport.com

Uma

Why, that vegsource is the worst forum I've ever seen in my entire life. They even make your posted words into ad links! Amazing!

In case anyone wants to know how to get 100 g of raw protein in the almost ideal proportions of amino acids for humans, here is a recipe, but it would be very expensive and a lot of work (not only in terms of human effort but also in terms of electricity) to make.

If one was a semi-professional gardener and sprouter it would be cheaper.

132 g alfalfa sprouts
30 g arugula
342 g broccoli
1 head romaine lettuce
1 head green leaf lettuce
312 g sprouted mung beans
140 g mushroom
1 brazil nut
28 g pistachio
28 g walnut
200 g scallion
14 g flax
28 g pumpkin seed
90 g raw spinach
1000 g baby zucchini
68 g raw watercress

recipe:
grind the nuts/seeds
put all the veggies and sprouts in the food processor, blend
add ground nuts/seeds, blend
shape into patties
dehydrate to 1/5 of the original volume: much easier to eat when dehydrated.

analysis:
1320 kcal
100 g protein
57 g fiber
148 g carbohydrate including 35 g sugars
62 g fat
omega6 fat: 23.6 g
omega3 fat: 8.8 g
a perfect o63 ratio of 2.7:1

This recipe also satisfies 100% or more of all rdas except B12, D2, and vitamin E.

arugula Wrote:
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> In case anyone wants to know how to get 100 g of
> raw protein in the almost ideal proportions of
> amino acids for humans, here is a recipe, but it
> would be very expensive and a lot of work (not
> only in terms of human effort but also in terms of
> electricity) to make.
>
> If one was a semi-professional gardener and
> sprouter it would be cheaper.
>
> 132 g alfalfa sprouts
> 30 g arugula
> 342 g broccoli
> 1 head romaine lettuce
> 1 head green leaf lettuce
> 312 g sprouted mung beans
> 140 g mushroom
> 1 brazil nut
> 28 g pistachio
> 28 g walnut
> 200 g scallion
> 14 g flax
> 28 g pumpkin seed
> 90 g raw spinach
> 1000 g baby zucchini
> 68 g raw watercress
>
> recipe:
> grind the nuts/seeds
> put all the veggies and sprouts in the food
> processor, blend
> add ground nuts/seeds, blend
> shape into patties
> dehydrate to 1/5 of the original volume: much
> easier to eat when dehydrated.
>
> analysis:
> 1320 kcal
> 100 g protein
> 57 g fiber
> 148 g carbohydrate including 35 g sugars
> 62 g fat
> omega6 fat: 23.6 g
> omega3 fat: 8.8 g
> a perfect o63 ratio of 2.7:1
>
> This recipe also satisfies 100% or more of all
> rdas except B12, D2, and vitamin E.

Very nice...

omg if I ate that (especially dehydrated) I would get so sick...

You are way too negative sweetheart.

"how can I get more protein into my diet"

eat nuts... walnuts, pistachios, almonds, pine nuts... there all good.

also, raw milk is calorie/protein rich.

nedsin wrote:

<<I'm not a giant obscene huge guy, I'm a small beautifully cut guy that everyone admires in the gym. I'm the one you'll all love to hate because you can't do it>>


is that right, underwear man?

What decent self respecting guy would be slobbering all over himself with his own kisses?