Vitamins do not work, another proof
[www.nbcnews.com]

[articles.mercola.com]
The Media’s Profound Ignorance About Nutrition Misses the Mark Yet Again
November 25, 2013 | 70,419 views

Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Saul About Vitamin Use
3:10 Minute Video
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By Dr. Mercola
Story at-a-glance
• According to researchers at the Kaiser Permanente Center for Health Research, vitamin supplements are probably useless when it comes to preventing heart disease and/or cancer
• Their analysis is being used by the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) to update its recommendations on supplement use
• Dozens of studies in fact demonstrate strong correlations between vitamin use and reduced risk of heart disease and cancer, but such studies were not included in the featured review
• For a study to be included in the review, it had to use supplement doses lower than the upper tolerable limit set by the US Food and Nutrition board. For vitamin D, this means a dose limit of 100 IUs a day for adults
• Research suggests most adults need about 35 IUs per pound of body weight in order to obtain therapeutically relevant serum levels

...

[articles.mercola.com]

Peace and Love..........John

supplements have their place. B-12 for vegans Vitamin D for just about everyone. They are gap fillers. Nature doesn't provide everything we need without crap in whole plant foods. There are gaps and that is what supplements are for.

Paul

Anthony Gucciardi is on the Alex Jones Show right now and they are tearing this study apart because they used Synthetic Vitamins in these Studies. Be looking for a lot of follow-up articles debunking these studies in the days to come.

Peace and Love..........John

Actually, that's garbage propaganda by big pharma. They do this to trash the reputation of multivitamins by using low-quality synthetic vitamins intentionally so they can try and destroy the reputation of vitamins and push vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs on people. Read more here: [www.naturalnews.com]

Multivitamins and holistic cures don't make money for big pharma.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2013 12:49AM by jtprindl.

Why pharmaceuticals are never subjected to the same scrutiny as multivitamins

What the media doesn't report, of course, is that if pharmaceuticals were subjected to the same basic questions covered in this study -- do multivitamins enhance cognitive function? Do they prevent heart disease? -- pharmaceuticals would prove to be disastrous. They not only don't work; they also might kill you in the process of not working.

So why isn't the media reporting that the "case is closed" on how drugs and medications fail to prevent chronic degenerative disease?

The answer is because this scrutiny is reserved solely for nutritional supplements. In today's distorted system of quack medicine, junk science and pro-pharma propaganda, medications never have to be proven effective to be promoted and hyped. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever, for example, that chemotherapy prevents the progression of cancer (chemo actually causes more cancer), or that statin drugs enhance lifespan. There is no evidence whatsoever that ADHD drugs create healthy children or that antidepressants cure depression. Yet all these drugs are heavily hyped by medical journal (i.e. "drug journals" and the mainstream media without regard for their disastrous lack of efficacy and safety.

So there's a dangerous double standard in all this. Nobody asks whether drugs actually create health, but multivitamins are routinely subjected to intense scrutiny on this very question.


Studies were contrived through the use of synthetic vitamins

To make sure these multivitamin studies fail to produce positive results, these studies are universally structured so that they are based on cheap, low-grade, synthetic vitamins and inorganic minerals. Not coincidentally, these brands of low-grade multivitamins are actually manufactured by companies owned by pharmaceutical interests. They really do have a financial incentive to make multivitamins look bad, and so their multivitamin formulations are intentionally designed to fail.

The vitamin E studied in this science review, for example, was synthetic, isolated vitamin E which already has a long history of being toxic for human consumption. Note carefully that these researchers never looked at full-spectrum vitamin E, including the tocopherols, nor did they bother to study a food concentrate form of vitamin E (because it would have been amazingly beneficial to heart health).

If I wanted to make all cars look dangerous, I could buy a dozen old Ford Pinto cars, line them up bumper to bumper, fill them with gasoline and ram them together in a mock road accident that caused them all to explode. From that, I could declare, "All cars are unsafe!" even though I only tested the Pinto. That's the same as what's happening with these multivitamin studies. They intentionally choose the most toxic forms of synthetic nutrients, then they use the negative results to declare that all multivitamins are dangerous.

Beta carotene, too, was studied as a synthetic chemical in isolation, not as a food-sourced nutrient like you might find in carrots or squash. So what these studies really prove is only that synthetic chemical vitamins are toxic to human health.

Guess who makes all these synthetic chemical vitamins? Companies like Bayer and BASF, the same companies that also manufacture raw materials for pharmaceutical manufacturing.


How the media uses "nutritional misdirection" to trick the public into thinking nutrition is bad

The mainstream media, of course, is all too happy to use journalist tricks of misdirection and false implication to misinform the public about nutrition. In claiming that "multivitamins are worthless," they are utterly failing to differentiate between cheap, pharma-manufactured synthetic multivitamins versus high-quality food-based multivitamins that really do work to enhance human health and prevent disease.

You won't find these scientists testing high-quality supplements from Life Extension, for example. Those supplements would produce positive results, and that's not what the pro-pharma scientists running these contrived studies want to show.

You also won't find them studying superfood powders, whole food concentrates or food-based supplements like the ones produced by MegaFood. Those supplements contain food-based nutrients and organic minerals -- the kind of nutrients the human body expects to see in food intake. Those supplements produce phenomenal results for enhanced human health. Researchers who publish in pharma-funded science journals will never study high-end multivitamins and nutritional supplements for the simple reason that the results would be too positive!


Synthetic drugs are even more harmful to human health than synthetic vitamins
The bigger question in all this, however, is just how harmful synthetic drugs are to human health. If synthetic vitamins produce negative health outcomes, then synthetic drugs produce truly disastrous results. Many drugs can simply kill you outright.

Synthetic drugs -- including PPIs, blood pressure medications, diabetes drugs, statin drugs, Alzheimer's drugs, osteoporosis drugs and so on -- are specifically designed to interfere with human physiology. Their entire intent is to "block" some chemical process in the body and thereby attempt to control symptoms of disease (without actually addressing the root cause of disease).

High-quality supplements and superfoods, on the other hand, are designed to prevent the causes of disease before they ever become symptomatic. They treat the root causes, in other words, rather than the mere symptoms.

This is why high-end food-based supplements, superfoods, medicinal herbs and other food concentrates are so effective at preventing disease. Conversely, this is also why isolated chemical drugs are so terrible at the same thing. No drug actually reverses any disease. They merely mask symptoms while allowing the underlying causes of disease to worsen. This is easily demonstrated: if a person taking blood pressure medications stops taking those medications, their blood pressure suddenly rises. The medication never addressed the cause of high blood pressure; it merely artificially interfered with physiology in a way that created a contrived, temporary lowering of measurable blood pressure.


These drug-pushing scientists and science journals want you to take pharmaceuticals, not nutrition

Let's get down to the real motivation in all this, however. The Annals of Internal Medicine and the scientists behind this extremely deceptive junk science all share the same intention: they want you to trust in drugs, not multivitamins.

Their job is to discredit multivitamins while simultaneously brainwashing consumers into believing that drugs are somehow "vital nutrients" that they need to survive. That's the foundation of modern medicine, after all: you are an incomplete human being unless and until you undergo medical intervention with a vaccine, a psychiatric drug, a cancer treatment or some other chemical that thereby makes you "whole."

Modern reductionist medical science wants to push drugs as the new multivitamins, but to do that, they first have to discredit multivitamins. Once multivitamins have been destroyed, they can convince the public (with yet more quack science) that everybody needs a statin pill every day. Everyone needs to drink toxic fluoride to have healthy teeth. Everyone needs to be injected with mercury, aluminum and MSG in order to be immune to the flu.

That's the real con in all this: The attack on multivitamins sets the stage for the unveiling of a new wave of "daily drug vitamins" the industry will push on everyone: adults, children, senior citizens and even unborn babies.

The population, you see, is never sufficiently medicated (from the point of view of Big Pharma). Drug companies must find new ways to convince people they need more drugs even when they aren't sick! The way to accomplish this is to position medications as essential nutrients. That's what you are seeing unfold right now.

Remember, too, that these scientists also insist that food can't prevent disease. All food is worthless for medical purposes, they insist. Only patented pharmaceuticals can treat, cure or prevent any disease, they ridiculously claim.

That's their worldview: Nutrition is bad, organic food is bad and herbs are bad. What's good? Vaccines, GMOs, medications and chemotherapy. To these science quacks, everyone in America should stop consuming good nutrition and start popping more medications and lining up for vaccine injections. That's the pathway to good health, didn't you know?

pborst Wrote:
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> supplements have their place. B-12 for vegans
> Vitamin D for just about everyone. They are gap
> fillers. Nature doesn't provide everything we
> need without crap in whole plant foods. There are
> gaps and that is what supplements are for.
>
> Paul


Yeah it does. Fruits, veggies, nuts/nut butters, seeds, sea vegetables, algae, herbs, sprouts, and superfoods.

[www.youtube.com]
Establishment Attacks Vitamins With Hoax Study
7:06 Minute Video

[www.youtube.com]
Vitamin Study: A Certified Hoax!
34:12 Minute Video

<<<This is why i laugh when people like John Rose suggest that were only meant to get Vitamin D from the sun. We don't all live in the sunny tropics year round. What about all those people in the world who live in cold countries with poor sunlight are we all meant to die from rickets or suffer from poor health as a result.>>>

Once again Chris, your comprehension skills leave much to be desired. As I have mentioned to you more times than I care to go back and count, CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED and now, WE HAVE TO MODIFY OUR SPECIES SPECIFIC DIET. We are Tropical Animals and the farther we go from the Equator the less Sunshine we get, the more Animals we eat and the more Autoimmune Diseases we get.

Remember, Diseases are part of our Feedback System - it’s Nature’s way of telling us we’re NOT Satisfying our Needs and when it comes to not getting enough Vitamin D, it’s telling us to go back to where we came from and get NAKED and if you can’t, you better take a Supplement.

Remember, we are NOT Biologically Adapted to Eat Dead Animal Flesh just like we are NOT Biologically Adapted to Eat Processed Vegetable Oils and if we do, we will DAMAGE our Bodies and then, we will create Additional Temporary Needs, such as DHA, for example.

Peace and Love..........John

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Lets not get ahead of ourselves here, the studies
> showed that the majority of multi-vitamins were of
> no use in preventing cancer or heart disease.
> Which is not surprising, if people think they can
> pop a synthetic pill and get all the benefits that
> a healthy diet has to offer, there most likely
> mistaken which these studies prove.
>
> Also not all multi-vitamins are created equal,
> cheap supplements often contain cheap, unproven
> and possibly even dangerous forms of such
> vitamins/minerals.
>
> The role of synthetic vitamins and minerals is to
> cover what the diet isn't providing in sufficient
> quantities and to treat serious nutrient
> deficiencies which can't be overcome through food
> alone.
>
> Millions would die without synthetic nutrition
> such as those with severe malabsorption disorders,
> alcoholics, those with cancer who can't eat well
> and so on.
>
> But the study does show us that multi-vitamins are
> not a substitute for a healthy balanced diet,
> because by the looks of it they don't provide the
> benefits that these nutrients do from diet.
>
> A large reason for that is because it isn't always
> the nutrient alone that provides these benefits,
> its the synergistic nutrients, phyto-chemicals and
> even the likes of fiber contained in these foods
> which offer such cancer and heart disease
> protection.
>
> I like what he said theres no substitute for a
> healthy diet and good behaviours such as exercise.
>
>
> Still though veganism alone shows you the need for
> synthetic vitamins and minerals otherwise, you
> guys wouldn't be able to follow the diet with the
> lack of Vitamin B12 as Paul mentions or even
> Vitamin D for most of the population due to lack
> of sunlight, regardless of diet.
>
> This is why i laugh when people like John Rose
> suggest that were only meant to get Vitamin D from
> the sun. We don't all live in the sunny tropics
> year round. What about all those people in the
> world who live in cold countries with poor
> sunlight are we all meant to die from rickets or
> suffer from poor health as a result.
>

Do you honestly believe that even if we can show that an inorganic iron has been absorbed into the body, it's doing the body any good? In other words, you talk about people having some condition which prevents them from absorbing nutrients from foods (chemo patients) and are claiming that these same people will absorb a tablet?

As for B12, I heard that it is made in the gut. After all, how do mammals possess it without supplementation versus vegans who don't consume animal products? So perhaps it's all about gut issues regarding a deficiency?



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Lets not get ahead of ourselves here, the studies
> showed that the majority of multi-vitamins were of
> no use in preventing cancer or heart disease.
> Which is not surprising, if people think they can
> pop a synthetic pill and get all the benefits that
> a healthy diet has to offer, there most likely
> mistaken which these studies prove.
>
> Also not all multi-vitamins are created equal,
> cheap supplements often contain cheap, unproven
> and possibly even dangerous forms of such
> vitamins/minerals.
>
> The role of synthetic vitamins and minerals is to
> cover what the diet isn't providing in sufficient
> quantities and to treat serious nutrient
> deficiencies which can't be overcome through food
> alone.
>
> Millions would die without synthetic nutrition
> such as those with severe malabsorption disorders,
> alcoholics, those with cancer who can't eat well
> and so on.
>
> But the study does show us that multi-vitamins are
> not a substitute for a healthy balanced diet,
> because by the looks of it they don't provide the
> benefits that these nutrients do from diet.
>
> A large reason for that is because it isn't always
> the nutrient alone that provides these benefits,
> its the synergistic nutrients, phyto-chemicals and
> even the likes of fiber contained in these foods
> which offer such cancer and heart disease
> protection.
>
> I like what he said theres no substitute for a
> healthy diet and good behaviours such as exercise.
>
>
> Still though veganism alone shows you the need for
> synthetic vitamins and minerals otherwise, you
> guys wouldn't be able to follow the diet with the
> lack of Vitamin B12 as Paul mentions or even
> Vitamin D for most of the population due to lack
> of sunlight, regardless of diet.
>
> This is why i laugh when people like John Rose
> suggest that were only meant to get Vitamin D from
> the sun. We don't all live in the sunny tropics
> year round. What about all those people in the
> world who live in cold countries with poor
> sunlight are we all meant to die from rickets or
> suffer from poor health as a result.
>


Powerlifter,

You can get B12 from sea vegetables and vitamin D3 from the Sun and sprouts. B12 is also naturally produced by the body and B12 deficiency is typically related to other health problems such as poor absorption of nutrients or digestive issues.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:15AM by Prana.

Multivitamins from organic whole-food sources are beneficial, the low-quality synthetic multivitamins they intentionally used in this "study" to bash the reputation of vitamins actually cause more harm. The same companies that produces these low-quality synthetic multivitamins also produces pharmaceutical drugs. How about that for business? Create a multivitamin that does nothing and makes you sick so the masses not only believe vitamins do nothing, but then they get sick and need more meds! Don't get caught in the matrix.

This was just posted on NaturalNews.com:

[www.naturalnews.com]

<<<Conditions have changed lol this is just another excuse, do you really think we were all born in the tropics or areas with year round sunlight. What matters is that i and many others live in countries like the UK where we can't go around with our shirt off all day, year round. Often we don't get good sunlight even during the intended spring/summer months.>>>

Once again Chris, CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED!!! We No longer live in the Tropics, hence the need to Supplement or as I said above, “go back to where we came from”!

<<<This is why your advice is often dangerous, it doesn't matter about the 100 excuses that you list about changed conditions or the dogma, it matters how one is going to get this nutrient into there diet in the 21st century and real life application.>>>

My ADVICE includes the Science and the Art. The Science has to do with the Law of Cause & Effect where our bodies are Limited to what we can Eat based on its Anatomy, just like all other Animals are limited to what they can Eat based on their Anatomy and the Art has to do with the Ripple Effect where our bodies are Limited by the fact that CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED!! We have Damaged our Anatomy and our Environment and we No longer live in the Tropics so our Environment, which is our External Metabolism, can No longer sustain us, hence our need to Supplement.

By the way, I tell all of my students that they have 2 Groups of Needs they must satisfy based on their Body’s Limitations. The 1st Group of Needs is based on the Law of Cause & Effect where we have a Species Specific Diet just like every other animal and the 2nd Group of Needs is based on the Ripple Effect (meaning that CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED) where we might Not be able to make certain Level 2 Nutrients, like DHA, B12, Vitamin D and even Cholesterol.

<<<Or in the the case of iron deficiency anemia then iron or b12 supplements have been proven to be helpful in treating these conditions.>>>

Most B12 and Iron Deficiencies have to do with malabsorption issues as illustrated by what Dr. Tilden wrote, “A fast of two weeks, without anything at all except water, will improve anemia condition by increasing the blood-corpuscles sometimes by five hundred thousand in that length of time.”

Imagine that, not eating food can improve anemia condition by increasing the blood-corpuscles, which is why so many Natural Hygienists mistakenly don’t believe in Supplementation. Once again, they don’t understand the Ripple Effect just like YOU don’t understand the Ripple Effect.

Just for the record, I respond to your Posts, Chris, for the benefit of others. It’s obvious that you are a Dis-Honest Skeptic and it is impossible to have an Honest Debate with you. I wish that wasn’t true because I love an Honest Debate where we use the Analytical Method of Reasoning and always take One Issue at a time to its resolution. I’ve tried to do this with you and even enumerated 5 Main Issues or 5 Main Points and all you can do is Lie or Change the Subject.

Something that I learned a long time ago is that whenever someone who has the Truth is debating a Dis-Honest person who does Not have the Truth, there are only 2 things this Dis-Honest person can do and that is Lie or Change the Subject. If they are Honest, however, there is a third option - they can admit the Truth, but you’re NOT Willing to do this Chris because if you did, you would have to give up your DRUG of choice - Cooked Food and Animal Products.

Once again, I only respond to your Posts for the benefit of others and I don’t expect an Honest Debate from you. Please prove me Wrong because I love an Honest Debate. I love it when someone can show me a Flaw in my thinking because I have a desire to be right instead of a need to right.

So what do you want to do Chris - Lie, Change the Subject or have an Honest Debate?

Peace and Love..........John





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2013 04:30PM by John Rose.

I am not a scientist or chemist but I reject out of hand the notion that isolating nutrients or even combining them in some pill can assist the body in healing. I just don't feel that is logical and even if you can measure the amount of iron in the blood (and it's coming from the pills), I don't think it's helping the body. Matt Monarch recently came out with another B12 patch and he said that the ones he used to sell were "crap." They didn't absorb that well, in other words. Well, being able to measure levels of a particular vitamin or mineral versus them actually working in the body seem to be two different animals.

<<<My view is above, your view is beneath it. People can decipher from there what they want to take from the posts if anything.>>>

Chris, I’m NOT talking this thread. Once again, your comprehension skills leave much to be desired.

For the benefit of others, I’ll repeat what I wrote above…

"I’ve tried to do this with you and even enumerated 5 Main Issues or 5 Main Points and all you can do is Lie or Change the Subject."

Once again, I’m NOT talking this thread and what did you do?

You Changed the Subject!!!

It’s NOT about this Thread - it’s about those 5 Main Issues or 5 Main Points that you REFUSE to have an Honest Debate where we use the Analytical Method of Reasoning and take One Issue at a time to its resolution.

As far as Biophotons, we have given you plenty of data and you have NOT read any of it. For example, here is one of the links I gave you…

[books.google.com]
Recent Advances in Biophoton Research and Its Applications
By Fritz Albert Popp

Have you read these Chapters in Popp’s book?

8 Biophoton Re-emission Studies in Carcinogenic Mouse Melanoma Cells H.J.Niggli 231

10 Ultraweak Luminescence Studies of Microsporogenesis in Larch B.W.Chwirot 259

25 Experimental Evidence on Ultraweak Photon Emission from Normal and Tumour Human Tissues F.Musumeci, A.Triglia and F.Grasso 307

30 Biophoton Measurements as a Supplement to the Conventional Consideration of Food Quality K.Lambing 393

31 Biophoton Emission as an Indicator of "Biological Quality" F.Rohner 415

How about those links that Panchito gave - did you read those?

Did you watch the Video ( [www.youtube.com] ) with Dr. Gabriel Cousens?

The answer to all 3 questions is NO - NO - NO!!!

Once again, YOU are Dis-Honest Skeptic and are NOT interested in learning about Biophotons, otherwise, you would be reading everything we’ve given you and you would have already read all about them from the get go.

Once again, I only respond to your Posts for the benefit of others and I don’t expect an Honest Debate from you.

Peace and Love..........John

Raw nori has bioavailable B12 in it

banana who Wrote:
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> I am not a scientist or chemist but I reject out
> of hand the notion that isolating nutrients or
> even combining them in some pill can assist the
> body in healing. I just don't feel that is logical
> and even if you can measure the amount of iron in
> the blood (and it's coming from the pills), I
> don't think it's helping the body. Matt Monarch
> recently came out with another B12 patch and he
> said that the ones he used to sell were "crap."
> They didn't absorb that well, in other words.
> Well, being able to measure levels of a particular
> vitamin or mineral versus them actually working in
> the body seem to be two different animals.

You are right. That is the question. Are isolated nutrients or vitamins effective?
Are there any known person on planet earth being cured by vitamin C pills or any other.

Are symbiotic relationship between food elements required or can them work in isolation in the body?

Unfortunately people are getting at each other instead of discussing the issues in the forum.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> Yes i read both of the links panchito provided
> which had not one reference to any study as i
> imagined it would. It was interesting but once
> again if wild herbs have the highest levels of
> biophotons where is the research ?
>
> Ive been researching herbs for over 12 years and
> ive never come across any research on there
> biophoton content.
>
> Again stop evading and changing the subject,
> provide this german study that you quote so often
> or give it a rest if you don't have the evidence
> to back up your claims.
>
> I don't want to hear a massive reply back about
> dishonest skeptics or any other nonsence. Just
> reply with this german study you keep quoting
> please.
>


?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/24/2014 12:15AM by Prana.

That was in reply to John, not you jtprindl.

I should have quoted.

I will look into raw nori that you quoted for b12, cheers. I seen you post that the other day, im sure you said dried nori wasn't which was interesting.

Yeah, raw nori has been shown to increase B12 levels but dried nori actually lowered B12 levels. You can read more on that here: [www.naturalnews.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2013 08:45PM by jtprindl.

Chris,

I tried to engage you in an Honest Debate 9 months ago on March 17, 2013 in this Post - [www.rawfoodsupport.com] where I brought up 5 Main Points that address the Flaws in your Logic because you keep spewing the same old nonsense about Eating Cooked Food and Animal Products and it is YOU who keep Evading and Changing the Subject.

It was only yesterday that you asked me about that German study in this post [www.rawfoodsupport.com] and I just now replied to you.

The point here is that every time I bring up those 5 Main Points that address the Flaws in your Logic you NEVER respond!

Peace and Love..........John

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, raw nori has been shown to increase B12
> > levels but dried nori actually lowered B12
> levels.
> > You can read more on that here:
> >
> [www.naturalnews.com]
>
> > 2_iodine.html
>
> That was very interesting cheers, would be good to
> see the original studies and if there was any in
> humans.
>
> Was the second paragraph a typo though ?, were
> they meaning raw nori here or did another study
> find dried was bioavailable too ?
>

l've read the studies and have them saved. No, there have been no studies done on humans.

Feeding dried purple laver (nori) to vitamin B12-deficient rats significantly improves vitamin B12 status

Takenaka S, Sugiyama S, Ebara S, Miyamoto E, Abe K, Tamura Y, Watanabe F, Tsuyama S, Nakano Y
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


But note: there have been no significant human trials of sufficient size to demonstrate enzymatic activity of B12 from nonbacterial sources, such as Chlorella and edible sea algae (seaweeds, such as lavers), although chemically some of these sources have been reported to contain B12 that seems chemically identical to active vitamin. However, among these sources, only fresh sea algea such as Susabi-nori (Porphyra yezoensis) have been reported to demonstrated vitamin B12 activity in B12 deficient rats. This has yet to be demonstrated for Chlorella, and no study in rats of any algal B12 source has yet to be confirmed by a second independent study. The possibility of algae-derived active forms of B12 presently remains an active topic of research, with no results that have yet reached consensus in the nutritional community.

And there is this.

Bioavailability of dried asakusanori (porphyra tenera) as a source of Cobalamin (Vitamin B12).

Yamada K, Yamada Y, Fukuda M, Yamada S[i/]
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Our present data demonstrated that Cbl in raw nori can be changed into harmful Cbl analogues by the drying process". = major possible problem, and it tells us that there are NO reliable sources of B12 for food. Some people may do o.k, but food B12 is still unreliable because the studies show dried nori can be a problem and no science has been done on hgmans regarding non bacterial B12 from food souces.

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Getting back to synthetics and multi vitamins. There is little doubt that they do work, but landmark double blind studies have also shown that medium term synthetic supplementation do have health hazards. We have to remember that these multi vitamins are only selections of the most active nutrients, BUT they still don't take into account all the co-factors that go with each vitamin family, so in effect those specially selected vitamin's role is very limited in it's true role and absorption. Dr Brian Clement mentions various synthetic nutrients only being 50% absorbable at most.

Dr Brian has an excellent book called `Supplements exposed', and he has some excellent youtube lectures called `supplements exposed'. l suggest everyone read his book and listen to his lectures. Brian is fascinating to listen too. He gets a few facts and figures wrong in his lectures, but it seems he is right on the money.



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Dr Brian Clement on Fox News trying to educate an ignorant lady in the natural health field by giving common sense advice and advise against multi vitamins.

[www.youtube.com]

www.thesproutarian.com

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Dr Brian Clement on Fox News trying to educate an
> ignorant lady in the natural health field by
> giving common sense advice and advise against
> multi vitamins.
>
> [www.youtube.com]
> =em-uploademail


Gotta love delusional "experts". Against juicing but recommending fish oil supplements? What?