powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > powerlifter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > John your post would be laughable if it
> wasn't
> > so
> > > sad.
> > >
> > > Are you really suggesting that the original
> > poster
> > > of this thread could potentially be a fake
> > account
> > > just to slander the raw food diet ?
> > >
> > > Keep asking questions and critically thinking
> > Ari,
> > > good for you . You can't please everyone
> and
> > > especially not zealots who can't accept that
> a
> > > vegan diet isn't for everyone.
> >
> >
> > A raw vegan diet can work for everyone, you
> just
> > don't want to accept this because you like your
> > animal products. That's your problem, not the
> raw
> > vegan community's problem.
>
> Zealots like i say, who cannot accept a raw vegan
> diet isn't for everybody.
>
> I actually do not care for animal foods, which is
> why i don't tend to consume too much of them
> anymore. I also don't tend to care for any food,
> its just food to me. The foods which are
> appealing/addictive tend to be junk food and
> artificial.
>
> Also many of us "failed vegans" tried very hard
> for years to make the diet work.


You tried for years and failed because you weren't consuming what you needed to be able to make the diet work. Were you growing your own sprouts and making green juices daily? Were you eating chlorella, AFA, or spirulina daily? Were you eating any sea vegetables? Probably not, and that is why you failed, these are necessities.

So if you don't consume that much animal products, where are you getting 80-90 grams of protein per day (which again is a complete myth and you don't need massive amounts to gain or maintain muscle)?



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> You tried for years and failed because you weren't
> consuming what you needed to be able to make the
> diet work. Were you growing your own sprouts and
> making green juices daily? Were you eating
> chlorella, AFA, or spirulina daily? Were you
> eating any sea vegetables? Probably not, and that
> is why you failed, these are necessities.
>
> So if you don't consume that much animal products,
> where are you getting 80-90 grams of protein per
> day (which again is a complete myth and you don't
> need massive amounts to gain or maintain muscle)?

In denial ?

I have been consuming algaes such as chlorella and spirulina for years primarily for heavy metal detoxification and have been recommending them for years on here. Same goes for sprouts. I also consumed AFA for a period, which i now think is terrible due to its often contaminated with microcystins and anatoxins nature.

No one says you need excess amounts of protein but you do need enough, which science agrees to be 0.8g per kg of bodyweight and 1-1.5g for active individuals.

Also i still green juice daily, so yes i took many precautions and nothing worked.

EDIT: Yes i have been taking kelp for years and other sea vegetables such as dulse. You must be new here, otherwise you'd realize i have been talking about the benefits of all these foods for years.



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>You admit to eating cooked food on here a number of times over the years, so why would i listen or believe anything you say in regards to strict raw vegan diets ?

oh my god, I've had cooked food! call the police!
I have had trivial amounts.
you are obsessively concerned about 100% RV.
In fact you've devoted your whole existence to placing that 100% thing out there .

Who cares!
I am nearly all raw vegan for 30 years.
It's not about proving raw vegan 100% yes or no.
It's about doing the best we can, and having fun.
Here's my point....
I say that raw vegan can be done, assuming one takes care of b12 and d if no sun available.
Because I have been very close, and because the science supports it.

It is something to strive for, as it benefits health and the planet, even if you are not 100% for a hundred years.

you on the other hand have a whole laundry list of DEFICIENCIES that are COUNTER to science,
and you and others drive people to eat all sorts of poor food items that have negative effects that you gloss over.

And why is that? because you personally did not do well.

no different from many others on discussion groups such as the famous denise minger who was low in b12 and yet attributes her failure to the inadequacy of THE ENTIRE DIET, when it's been quite clear that b12 must be attended to, and b12 can cause any and all other problems that occur, as it has a systemic affect on the body.

Then you have your STUDIES that "prove" that onions are BENEFICIAL, and other such nonsense.

90% of the people that I have personally researched what they actually did,
who are FAILED VEGANS made such obvious mistakes because they were clueless on diet.
but we cannot admit error. ego.

powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You tried for years and failed because you
> weren't
> > consuming what you needed to be able to make
> the
> > diet work. Were you growing your own sprouts
> and
> > making green juices daily? Were you eating
> > chlorella, AFA, or spirulina daily? Were you
> > eating any sea vegetables? Probably not, and
> that
> > is why you failed, these are necessities.
> >
> > So if you don't consume that much animal
> products,
> > where are you getting 80-90 grams of protein
> per
> > day (which again is a complete myth and you
> don't
> > need massive amounts to gain or maintain
> muscle)?
>
> In denial ?
>
> I have been consuming algaes such as chlorella and
> spirulina for years primarily for heavy metal
> detoxification and have been recommending them for
> years on here. Same goes for sprouts. I also
> consumed AFA for a period, which i now think is
> terrible due to its often contaminated with
> microcystins and anatoxins nature.
>
> No one says you need excess amounts of protein but
> you do need enough, which science agrees to be
> 0.8g per kg of bodyweight and 1-1.5g for active
> individuals.
>
> Also i still green juice daily, so yes i took many
> precautions and nothing worked.
>
> EDIT: Yes i have been taking kelp for years and
> other sea vegetables such as dulse. You must be
> new here, otherwise you'd realize i have been
> talking about the benefits of all these foods for
> years.


Store-bought sprouts and greens that are weeks old and highly diminished in nutrients and enzymes? Nothing worked because you're not doing something right, I mean it's that simple. We're all humans and if thousands of people can thrive on a raw vegan diet, so can you. Now there might be minor differences, like one may need to take in a little bit more fat or protein or sugar than the next, and lifestyle factors differ as well, but making the proper adjustments and finding what works best for you is definitely possible for all humans on a raw vegan diet.

Also, where is the "science" that "proves" your protein calculations?



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> Store-bought sprouts and greens that are weeks old
> and highly diminished in nutrients and enzymes?
> Nothing worked because you're not doing something
> right, I mean it's that simple. We're all humans
> and if thousands of people can thrive on a raw
> vegan diet, so can you. Now there might be minor
> differences, like one may need to take in a little
> bit more fat or protein or sugar than the next,
> and lifestyle factors differ as well, but making
> the proper adjustments and finding what works best
> for you is definitely possible for all humans on a
> raw vegan diet.
>
> Also, where is the "science" that "proves" your
> protein calculations?

In essence your saying just like the other zealots that the raw vegan diet can't fail basically ? Its always the indivduals fault lol.

No i grew the majority of my sprouts at home including wheatgrass. You make it sound like i gave up over night and that i didn't make an effort, i put alot of time and money into veganism, including promoting the diet, i tried many methods over the years then i started coming to my senses.

I still do many of the things i did when vegan i.e eat lots of fruit, vegetables, sprouts, sea veggies, algaes, fermented foods and superfoods/herbs. So yeah i find it quite condescending to be told i was just doing it wrong, when i put in so much effort.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Store-bought sprouts and greens that are weeks
> old
> > and highly diminished in nutrients and enzymes?
> > Nothing worked because you're not doing
> something
> > right, I mean it's that simple. We're all
> humans
> > and if thousands of people can thrive on a raw
> > vegan diet, so can you. Now there might be
> minor
> > differences, like one may need to take in a
> little
> > bit more fat or protein or sugar than the next,
> > and lifestyle factors differ as well, but
> making
> > the proper adjustments and finding what works
> best
> > for you is definitely possible for all humans on
> a
> > raw vegan diet.
> >
> > Also, where is the "science" that "proves" your
> > protein calculations?
>
> In essence your saying just like the other zealots
> that the raw vegan diet can't fail basically ? Its
> always the indivduals fault lol.
>
> No i grew the majority of my sprouts at home
> including wheatgrass. You make it sound like i
> gave up over night, i tried many methods over a
> year once i started coming to my senses.
>
> I still do many of the things i did when vegan i.e
> eat lots of fruit, vegetables, sprouts, sea
> veggies, algaes, fermented foods and
> superfoods/herbs. So yeah i find it quite
> condescending to be told i was just doing it
> wrong, when i put in so much effort.


You can find it condescending all you want, but I'm right. And yes, I'm saying that if a person failed on the raw vegan diet, it is their fault. Why would one person on a raw vegan diet be able to thrive and one person not even be able to meet simple nutritional requirements? Because they aren't consuming the same things. One may also be uneducated on other factors like food combining, omega 3 to omega 6 ratios, why too much sugar from fruit is still unhealthy, etc. Or they could always be stressed. Tons of factors here.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> You can find it condescending all you want, but
> I'm right. And yes, I'm saying that if a person
> failed on the raw vegan diet, it is their fault.
> Why would one person on a raw vegan diet be able
> to thrive and one person not even be able to meet
> simple nutritional requirements? Because they
> aren't consuming the same things. One may also be
> uneducated on other factors like food combining,
> omega 3 to omega 6 ratios, why too much sugar from
> fruit is still unhealthy, etc. Or they could
> always be stressed. Tons of factors here.

In which case, keep thinking you have it all sussed out man. I hope you prove me wrong, although considering you've been transitioning to a sproutarian diet for all about a week, ill hold my breath. Convinced of something you've yet to actually do in real life, based all on theory.

Come back to me in 5 years or even 5 months and tell me if you've managed to make it work consistently.



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<<<Whenever you are shown something that contradicts or discredits your beliefs, you just say you don't believe it. That's called cognitive dissonance.>>>

Hey jtprindl,

I don’t think it’s as much cognitive dissonance with Chris aka powerlifter as much as it is that Chris is more than likely an Internet Shill [ [consciouslifenews.com] ] and is part of Controlled Opposition - they will tell you 100 facts that are true just to get you to believe the one lie that is crucial to them and the one lie that is crucial to them is that a Raw Plant based Diet is NOT our Species Specific Diet and that it’s OK to Cook most of our Food..

Think about it! Why would anyone who only Eats 20% Raw Food spend so much time on a Website that promotes Raw Vegan Food? Why would anyone who doesn’t live this way and doesn’t encourage others to live this way spend so much time on a Website that promotes Raw Vegan Food?

Remember, the PURPOSE of this website is to promote a Raw Vegan Diet and the Powers that be use Food as a Weapon System to control us [ [www.rawfoodsupport.com] ]!

Peace and Love..........John

20% raw foods i consume now, it gets lower everytime John lol.

More like 30-40% raw and 80% vegan plant foods overall. Keep telling yourself anyone that disagree's with the diet is a shill or an imposter John, it makes you look more pathetic to any interested raw vegans out there .

You zealots don't realize the more you talk, the easier you make it for me to debunk all your weak logic and the more you turn people off raw veganism.

You also fail to understand im not here for ego like you are, i couldn't care if everyone doesn't agree with me. Im here to put my point of view what i think is a healthy, balanced diet across, not what suits your motives.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You can find it condescending all you want, but
> > I'm right. And yes, I'm saying that if a person
> > failed on the raw vegan diet, it is their
> fault.
> > Why would one person on a raw vegan diet be
> able
> > to thrive and one person not even be able to
> meet
> > simple nutritional requirements? Because they
> > aren't consuming the same things. One may also
> be
> > uneducated on other factors like food
> combining,
> > omega 3 to omega 6 ratios, why too much sugar
> from
> > fruit is still unhealthy, etc. Or they could
> > always be stressed. Tons of factors here.
>
> In which case, keep thinking you have it all
> sussed out man. I hope you prove me wrong,
> although considering you've been transitioning to
> a sproutarian diet for all about a week, ill hold
> my breath. Convinced of something you've yet to
> actually do in real life, based all on theory.
>
> Come back to me in 5 years or even 5 months and
> tell me if you've managed to make it work
> consistently.


Based on "theory"? You mean the scientific facts of the nutritional components of sprouts, grass, sea vegetables, and algae? Please tell me why one person can completely thrive on a raw vegan diet but someone else cannot. I'm sorry you have been brainwashed and conned into believing we need animal products, cooked foods and massive amounts of protein.



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John Rose Wrote:
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> <<>>
>
> Hey jtprindl,
>
> I don’t think it’s as much cognitive
> dissonance with Chris aka powerlifter as much as
> it is that Chris is more than likely an Internet
> Shill [
> [consciouslifenews.com]
> hadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1
> 147073/ ] and is part of Controlled Opposition -
> they will tell you 100 facts that are true just to
> get you to believe the one lie that is crucial to
> them and the one lie that is crucial to them is
> that a Raw Plant based Diet is NOT our Species
> Specific Diet and that it’s OK to Cook most of
> our Food..
>
> Think about it! Why would anyone who only Eats
> 20% Raw Food spend so much time on a Website that
> promotes Raw Vegan Food? Why would anyone who
> doesn’t live this way and doesn’t encourage
> others to live this way spend so much time on a
> Website that promotes Raw Vegan Food?
>
> Remember, the PURPOSE of this website is to
> promote a Raw Vegan Diet and the Powers that be
> use Food as a Weapon System to control us [
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> ]!
>
> Peace and Love..........John


Ironically, this has been on my mind for a while as well.

<<<20% raw foods i consume now, it gets lower everytime John lol.>>>

What do you mean that “it gets lower everytime”?

I’ve always used the numbers you provided and it’s always been 20%…

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]
Re: blood brain barrier changes sensitivity?
Posted by: powerlifer
Date: January 16, 2013 07:41AM

“My raw intake is probably about 20% raw these days which comes mostly from fruit.”

So tell me Chris, why do you come to a Website that promotes Raw Vegan Food when you don’t live this way and don’t encourage others to live this way, which is the PURPOSE of this website?

The only logical explanation that I can come up with is that there’s either something wrong with you or you are paid to do so.

This is a Raw Vegan Website, so why are you here?

powerlifter Wrote:
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> 20% raw foods i consume now, it gets lower
> everytime John lol.
>
> More like 30-40% raw and 80% vegan plant foods
> overall. Keep telling yourself anyone that
> disagree's with the diet is a shill or an imposter
> John, it makes you look more pathetic to any
> interested raw vegans out there .
>
> You zealots don't realize the more you talk, the
> easier you make it for me to debunk all your weak
> logic and the more you turn people off raw
> veganism.
>
> You also fail to understand im not here for ego
> like you are, i couldn't care if everyone doesn't
> agree with me. Im here to put my point of view
> what i think is a healthy, balanced diet across,
> not what suits your motives.


What have you debunked throughout this entire thread? Name one.

Yes im paid to come here by the meat and dairy industry lol, do you know how ridiculous you sound John ?. For any newbies i have been here for years when i was a raw vegan but the diet failed me like it does most others. Check back my old account powerlifer.

Haha i thought you'd quote that old post. You've seen my recent posts that 30-40 percent of my intake is from raw because ive told you. Im an honest indivdual my raw food intake can fall as low as 20 percent sometimes, possibly even lower somedays if im lazy, but most days is more around 30% raw foods of my intake. 80% plant foods however on the majority of the time.

Even then i no longer need to even be that strict with my diet because im healthy now. Aslong as im getting enough nutrition overall its doing me good and thriving.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Yes im paid to come here by the meat and dairy
> industry lol. For any newbies i have been here for
> years when i was a raw vegan but the diet failed
> me like it does most others. Check back my old
> account powerlifer.
>
> Haha i thought you'd quote that. You've seen my
> recent posts that 30-40 percent of my intake is
> from raw. Im an honest indivdual my raw food
> intake can fall as low as 20 percent sometimes,
> possibly even lower somedays if im lazy, but most
> days is more around 30% raw foods of my intake.
> 80% plant foods however on the majority of the
> time.
>
> Even then i no longer need to even be that strict
> with my diet because im healthy. Aslong as im
> getting enough nutrition overall its doing me
> good.


Where is your evidence that raw vegan diets fail "most" others? Did you conduct an experiment on the majority of humanity following raw vegan diets compared to other diets? Why would one person be able to completely thrive on a raw vegan diet but another person cannot?

Hey i don't need science like you say to prove anything lol.

The proof is in the pudding, the majority fail, even the "gurus" in the end or they tend to be versed in lieing. Its just a revolvng door of true believer newbies like yourself and a few old timers like myself, the majority of members on here aren't even vegan let alone raw vegan, yet too scared to admit what they really eat incase of backlash.

There is also no science to suggest a strict raw vegan diet is even healthy let alone optimal. You are getting ahead of yourself, believing in a diet theory that not only is unproven but something you don't even follow yourself yet.

Start recommending a sproutarian diet when you have been following it for more than a week at least. What makes you any different from the one week 80/10/10 over night coaches and experts ?

<<<Haha i thought you'd quote that old post. You've seen my recent posts that 30-40 percent of my intake is from raw because ive told you.>>>

Show me the Post where you told me or anyone else that you are now 30-40% and once again, what do you mean that “it gets lower every time” because I’ve always used the same number, which is the number that you provided?

Once again, why do you come to a Website that promotes Raw Vegan Food when you don’t live this way and don’t encourage others to live this way, which is the PURPOSE of this website?

Tell me Chris, what did we do before we discovered FIRE?

How far along our Evolutionary Path had we gone when we finally discovered FIRE?

How long did it take after we discovered FIRE before we started COOKING our Food consistently with it?

If we put the Human Existence on a Football Field, we discovered FIRE around the 87 Yard Line or ~13 Yards away from where we are today. And then, we went another 12 Yards or so down to the 1 Yard Line before we started to COOK our Food consistently with it. That means that for 99% of our existence we Ate our FOOD RAW just like all of the other Animals on this Planet and when we started COOKING our Food with FIRE, that was the Fall of Mankind and that’s when we LOST our Golden Age and created FOOLS like you who REFUSE to come out of Plato’s Cave.

I do live this way, i am a keen advocate of plant foods and there health benefits as you fine well know.

I have been researching herbology, alternative health, nutrition, fitness and all the other topics that this forum is about for many years now.

I however am not an advocate of a strict 100% raw vegan diet, that doesn't mean i am anti-plant foods like you seem to suggest. Im as big a fan of botanicals if not more than you are because i study a wider range.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> Hey i don't need science like you say to prove
> anything lol.
>
> The proof is in the pudding, the majority fail,
> even the "gurus" in the end or they tend to be
> versed in lieing. Its just a revolvng door of true
> believer newbies like yourself and a few old
> timers like myself, the majority of members on
> here aren't even vegan let alone raw vegan, yet
> too scared to admit what they really eat incase of
> backlash.
>
> There is also no science to suggest a strict raw
> vegan diet is even healthy let alone optimal. You
> are getting ahead of yourself, believing in a diet
> theory that not only is unproven but something you
> don't even follow yourself yet.
>
> Start recommending a sproutarian diet when you
> have been following it for more than a week at
> least. What makes you any different from the one
> week 80/10/10 over night coaches and experts ?


Yep, this dude is definitely an internet shill. Constantly getting into arguments with different people, bashing raw veganism, never providing any evidence/always trying to redirect the flow of the conversation to avoid questions...

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Yep, this dude is definitely an internet shill.
> Constantly getting into arguments with different
> people, bashing raw veganism, never providing any
> evidence/always trying to redirect the flow of the
> conversation to avoid questions...

Lol i have been here for years bro, long before you were might i add.

2007/8 was when i signed up i think with my old account powerlifer, so yeah your makng yourself look pretty silly here.



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<<<Yep, this dude is definitely an internet shill. Constantly getting into arguments with different people, bashing raw veganism, never providing any evidence/always trying to redirect the flow of the conversation to avoid questions...>>>

It's obvious once you know what to look for!!!

Peace and Love..........John

I have to laugh when you imply im some shill or paid informant like the bourne identity.

Do you want my opinion on you John since your so keen to always tell everyone what you think about me ? I think you are a brainwashed zealot jerk that has drove many of our good members of the forum away. You treat food like some weird religion, which in your mind seems to make it an ok excuse for you to be aggressive and abusive to others who don't agree with you. You minority of zealots ruin the forum for the rest of us who are serious about health.

You know you actually have to practice peace and love to have these emotions you sociopath, you can't just write it at the end of your posts.

I enjoy your obnoxious reaction to simply a different dietary opinion because it shows you up more than it does me. I really shouldn't lower myself like ive been told by others a number of times, but i find you so frustrating because you always get personal and have been warned in the past for doing so.



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+1

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Yep, this dude is definitely an internet shill.
> Constantly getting into arguments with different
> people, bashing raw veganism, never providing any
> evidence/always trying to redirect the flow of the
> conversation to avoid questions...

Fresh says he's been almost 100% raw vegan for 30 years! That's longer than Powerlifer has been alive.

John Rose has been doing this for decades(not sure exactly how long).

I would take the advice of these giants of the raw vegan diet any day than those of Powerlifer's who is a kid who's still experimenting. I'm 50 that's why I called you a kid.

And, Powerlifer, you weren't on this website in 2007 as you claim.

anon101 Wrote:
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> Fresh says he's been almost 100% raw vegan for 30
> years! That's longer than Powerlifer has been
> alive.
>
> John Rose has been doing this for decades(not sure
> exactly how long).
>
> I would take the advice of these giants of the raw
> vegan diet any day than those of Powerlifer's who
> is a kid who's still experimenting. I'm 50 that's
> why I called you a kid.
>
> And, Powerlifer, you weren't on this website in
> 2007 as you claim.

I said possibly 2007 or 8 with my previous powerlifer account, find me the correct answer because i can't remember, it was at least 2010 ?, which is certainly several years before you turned up last month lol.

Please ban me once again Prana, i will die from dogma otherwise.

John Rose has been doing this for decades, because you believe in some written text lol.

I have a bridge here for sale too if you are guillable enough anon. You guys believe anything afterall.



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Hey Chris, it looks like you’ve come down with Tom Billings Syndrome!!!
[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Peace and Love..........John

Ari, congrats on your decision to try raw again. If you don't like the way a particular raw advocate looks, don't follow their raw program. Instead, find out what works for you, what makes you look and feel the best. Take a look at John Kohler, the owner of this forum, whose youtube channel is okraw. John looks healthy and vibrant, grows a lot of his own foods, and has a lot of energy.

By the way, 2 of those advocates you mentioned are now promoting a cooked diet, so I have to assume they are not raw vegans themselves, but instead perhaps raw till 4 vegans.

As for getting support on raw foods, this is one of the best places to get support that is both varied and eclectic.

thanks powerlifter for your recent information about your dietary history.

it is now clear why you did not do well.

>In essence your saying just like the other zealots that the raw vegan diet can't fail basically ? Its always the indivduals fault lol.

The only thing that people who do not do well can say is that we are all so very different as a way of explaining failures.
and yet there is no evidence of it. The fact is that it is more difficult to do right as compared to a regular diet which you can do ok on and yet be fatigued and on caffeine.

now to the facts

here's what you claim to have done on raw vegan

-"sprouts at home including wheatgrass. "
-"sea veggies, algaes, fermented foods and superfoods/herbs. "
among other fruits and veggies I assume

Successful long term raw eaters who are healthy do not eat many items above.

What you cannot understand is that those items ARE NOT positive additions to a long term healthy raw diet.

do you know why?

Because they DISPLACE proper, SIMPLE foods. FRUITS AND greens.

because they cause DEHYDRATION.

because they disturb DIGESTION.

I could go on and on.

Why do people do those things? I have done some of them. Because they are worried about NUTRIENTS

Successful raw eaters think about diet at a higher level than nutrients.

Successful people do not overeat and do not undereat.

successful people free themselves from food addiction and can go without food comfortably and without hunger pangs.

They evaluate foods in terms of taste, water content, satiety, freshness, etc, etc.

I find it amazing that "Ari" did a drive-by post. Registered and right off the bat wrote that stuff and then has never responded since then, despite so many responses and views!

I actually agree with him (her) in regards to the appearance of certain people. Maybe having too low of a fat intake leads to a haggard appearance? I find in general that fat people tend to not get wrinkles in their 40s and 50s when thin folks do. Their face seems more supple or whatnot.