fresh Wrote:
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> I suppose you could ignore the scientific article
> cited above.
>
> I mean, scientific articles are only valid when
> YOU present them, right?


Right, I guess all the holistic experts missed that article. Or it's completely ridiculous.

Just admit it dude.saves on aspirin

fresh Wrote:
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> Just admit it dude.saves on aspirin


Do you have any cases where a human had any type of cancer, fasted, and cured their cancer? Dry fasting, like in the study you posted, would make zero sense for someone battling cancer. Their body is already significantly starved of nutrients and has no energy as it is, and you want them to consume nothing? Juice fasting with wheatgrass, sprouts, and maybe some fruit is one thing, but that's not what the study was based upon.

Fresh, answer this question, it will tell whether I should ever seriously respond to anything you ever post on here again. Do you believe fasting cures all forms of cancer at any stage?

Nope. Just countering your statement.
I would eat well, fresh air, exercise if possible.
then other options if that didnt seem to be working.

but dont respond to me regardless



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fresh Wrote:
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> Nope. Just countering your statement.
> I would eat well, fresh air, exercise if
> possible.
> then other options if that didnt seem to be
> working.
>
> but dont respond to me regardless


Countering what statement? You said food doesn't cure anything, which doesn't make any sense considering foods contain phytochemicals and enzymes and other components which have been proven to cure and prevent disease. And you still never gave one example of a human being who successfully cured cancer by fasting.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Fresh, answer this question, it will tell whether
> I should ever seriously respond to anything you
> ever post on here again.


Oh pretty please, can I get on your no response list, too.



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>Countering what statement?

regarding fasting and cancer


>You said food doesn't cure anything, which doesn't make any sense considering foods contain phytochemicals and enzymes and other components which have been proven to cure and prevent disease.

not to me. we can disagree.


> And you still never gave one example of a human being who successfully cured cancer by fasting.


I have not researched that topic and I really don't care.
I did show the potential in the study.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Form follows function right? i'm not saying we
> dont need glucose. but, if form follows function..
> it would seem hybrid fruits only satisfy
> superficially. Maybe nature knows best. We end up
> feeding the brain excess amounts of sugar but then
> ignore the body's requirement for nutrition and
> health.


Dates:

fiber, calcium, iron, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, zinc,
thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, b6, folate, vitamin a, vitamin k, choline,
betaine, carotene, lipids

you see any nutrients in there?

fresh Wrote:
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> >Countering what statement?
>
> regarding fasting and cancer
>
>
> >You said food doesn't cure anything, which
> doesn't make any sense considering foods contain
> phytochemicals and enzymes and other components
> which have been proven to cure and prevent
> disease.
>
> not to me. we can disagree.
>
>
> > And you still never gave one example of a human
> being who successfully cured cancer by fasting.
>
>
> I have not researched that topic and I really
> don't care.
> I did show the potential in the study.


Are you lost? You posted the 'cancer and fasting' study BEFORE I said anything about cancer and fasting, but then you state you posted that to "conquer what I said regarding fasting and cancer".

"Not to me".... okay well great, you can live in your little bubble and believe only what makes you happy. Just like with your personal bible, 80/10/10.

Jt, I have already told u I have diagreements with 811. Now u name one thing u disagree wiith clement about

fresh Wrote:
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> Jt, I have already told u I have diagreements with
> 811. Now u name one thing u disagree wiith clement
> about


His recommendations to limit the diet to a maximum of 15% fruit.

And u think it should be 0% right?

fresh Wrote:
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> And u think it should be 0% right?


Nope, if you can get fresh, ripe food (doesn't have be to immediately after harvested but that would be preferable) and consume within a few days, I'd say around 30%. I love fruit, I'm just against eating massive quantities of it every single day, especially if one is sedentary.

Good to see some disagreement there with "dr" clement.

now maybe you could be against it for yourself and not worry about what other people should do.

fresh Wrote:
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> Good to see some disagreement there with "dr"
> clement.
>
> now maybe you could be against it for yourself and
> not worry about what other people should do.


The whole "Dr" thing is blown out of proportion, who cares if he's technically labeled as a doctor, after all that's just a label. There's a reason he has the opportunity to travel across the globe lecturing year after year, because he's extremely knowledgeable, knows the science, and directs an institute which has cured tens of thousands of people who were told they were going to die within days or weeks. There are plenty of "doctors" who are brainwashed by the pharmaceutical industry and their solution to everything is jack their patients up on drugs. I don't look at the "Dr" LABEL, I look at the integrity and education of the individual.

I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if he is not a bona fide doctor and calls himself one he is doing it to claim authority he doesn't have and to impress gullible people with fakery.

If he truly has a Dr. degree it's appropriate for him to call himself that.
If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree he has no integrity. PERIOD.

So... does he have the sheepskin or not?

SueZ Wrote:
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> I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if he is
> not a bona fide doctor and calls himself one he is
> doing it to claim authority he doesn't have and to
> impress gullible people with fakery.
>
> If he truly has a Dr. degree it's appropriate
> for him to call himself that.
> If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree he has
> no integrity. PERIOD.
>
> So... does he have the sheepskin or not?


Why would you need to have a piece of paper telling you you're a doctor if you're as knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in the fields of health, nutrition, and science than so-called "doctors" with these pieces of paper (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified practitioner of medicine", which is what Brian Clement is. Only he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts, wheatgrass, sea vegetables, algae's, targeted supplementation, high-quality healing equipment, etc. In my eyes, it's irrelevant, but does he have a degree? A lot of sources say he does. Then there's the story of how he got his degree at a diploma mill, but it doesn't really have any evidence, just an article with some unbacked statements.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if he
> is
> > not a bona fide doctor and calls himself one he
> is
> > doing it to claim authority he doesn't have and
> to
> > impress gullible people with fakery.
> >
> > If he truly has a Dr. degree it's
> appropriate
> > for him to call himself that.
> > If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree he
> has
> > no integrity. PERIOD.
> >
> > So... does he have the sheepskin or not?
>
>
> Why would you need to have a piece of paper
> telling you you're a doctor if you're as
> knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in the
> fields of health, nutrition, and science than
> so-called "doctors" with these pieces of paper
> (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified practitioner
> of medicine", which is what Brian Clement is. Only
> he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts, wheatgrass,
> sea vegetables, algae's, targeted supplementation,
> high-quality healing equipment, etc. In my eyes,
> it's irrelevant, but does he have a degree? A lot
> of sources say he does. Then there's the story of
> how he got his degree at a diploma mill, but it
> doesn't really have any evidence, just an article
> with some unbacked statements.

I'm not saying someone can't be the most qualified person in the world without a bona fide accredited Dr. degree. I'm saying that if someone uses Dr. with his name, which is an earned title, and hasn't earned that right legitimately that person would be classified as a fraud. And frauds have no integrity. That's how it works in the professional world. No exceptions.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if he
> > is
> > > not a bona fide doctor and calls himself one
> he
> > is
> > > doing it to claim authority he doesn't have
> and
> > to
> > > impress gullible people with fakery.
> > >
> > > If he truly has a Dr. degree it's
> > appropriate
> > > for him to call himself that.
> > > If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree
> he
> > has
> > > no integrity. PERIOD.
> > >
> > > So... does he have the sheepskin or not?
> >
> >
> > Why would you need to have a piece of paper
> > telling you you're a doctor if you're as
> > knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in the
> > fields of health, nutrition, and science than
> > so-called "doctors" with these pieces of paper
> > (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified
> practitioner
> > of medicine", which is what Brian Clement is.
> Only
> > he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts,
> wheatgrass,
> > sea vegetables, algae's, targeted
> supplementation,
> > high-quality healing equipment, etc. In my
> eyes,
> > it's irrelevant, but does he have a degree? A
> lot
> > of sources say he does. Then there's the story
> of
> > how he got his degree at a diploma mill, but it
> > doesn't really have any evidence, just an
> article
> > with some unbacked statements.
>
> I'm not saying someone can't be the most
> qualified person in the world without a bona fide
> accredited Dr. degree. I'm saying that if someone
> uses Dr. with his name, which is an earned title,
> and hasn't earned that right legitimately that
> person would be classified as a fraud. And frauds
> have no integrity. That's how it works in the
> professional world. No exceptions.


I'd say that Brian Clement has definitely earned that title given all of his contributions to the raw food/holistic nutrition community.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SueZ Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if
> he
> > > is
> > > > not a bona fide doctor and calls himself
> one
> > he
> > > is
> > > > doing it to claim authority he doesn't have
> > and
> > > to
> > > > impress gullible people with fakery.
> > > >
> > > > If he truly has a Dr. degree it's
> > > appropriate
> > > > for him to call himself that.
> > > > If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree
> > he
> > > has
> > > > no integrity. PERIOD.
> > > >
> > > > So... does he have the sheepskin or not?
> > >
> > >
> > > Why would you need to have a piece of paper
> > > telling you you're a doctor if you're as
> > > knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in the
> > > fields of health, nutrition, and science than
> > > so-called "doctors" with these pieces of
> paper
> > > (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified
> > practitioner
> > > of medicine", which is what Brian Clement is.
> > Only
> > > he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts,
> > wheatgrass,
> > > sea vegetables, algae's, targeted
> > supplementation,
> > > high-quality healing equipment, etc. In my
> > eyes,
> > > it's irrelevant, but does he have a degree? A
> > lot
> > > of sources say he does. Then there's the
> story
> > of
> > > how he got his degree at a diploma mill, but
> it
> > > doesn't really have any evidence, just an
> > article
> > > with some unbacked statements.
> >
> > I'm not saying someone can't be the most
> > qualified person in the world without a bona
> fide
> > accredited Dr. degree. I'm saying that if
> someone
> > uses Dr. with his name, which is an earned
> title,
> > and hasn't earned that right legitimately that
> > person would be classified as a fraud. And
> frauds
> > have no integrity. That's how it works in the
> > professional world. No exceptions.
>
>
> I'd say that Brian Clement has definitely earned
> that title given all of his contributions to the
> raw food/holistic nutrition community.

That's not how it works in the real world. There is a vetting procedure for such titles otherwise they would mean nothing and any busboy could call himself a Dr.

Next thing we know you'll be calling yourself a Dr. and hanging out a shingle if you don't learn some ethics.

SueZ Wrote:
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> I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But if he is
> not a bona fide doctor and calls himself one he is
> doing it to claim authority he doesn't have and to
> impress gullible people with fakery.
>
> If he truly has a Dr. degree it's appropriate
> for him to call himself that.
> If he doesn't have an accredited Dr. degree he has
> no integrity. PERIOD.
>
> So... does he have the sheepskin or not?

Apparently he doesn't, it appears to be a diploma mill Ph D from the study l have done. I guess, in the earlier days he thought a Ph D would make his position look better on the surface. It's a pity because it does take from his integrity, and even more a pity because he does have great knowledge and no longer needs to hide behind a Ph D title.

Could Brian had done a Ph D in his field? Probably not...who is going to fund the type of work he is doing? (He is a strict let food be your medicine type of man because of the HHI tradition). Why doesn't Dr Brian publish his research? Because it cost lots of money and time to set up proper studies, and this probably would not make his position practical because he is a healer foremost and a researcher second. Imagine constantly having to find money to finance his studies and all the time it would require. He is in a hard position in the field he is in.

Dr Clement's really strong position is that he has clinical research experience with close to over 250,000 over a 41 year period and does track his patients over a lifetime through various blood tests (not just nutrient tests, but various tests using some of the most complex analysis in the world). He also gets up early most days to read the science journals for hours each day. He also has great contacts like Dr Valerie Hunt, Dr Esselstyn, Dr Campbell, Jeffery Smith (GM food man) etc. You really couldn't get a better man in the natural health field, he has taken it to a whole new level. I just wish Dr Brian would come out and admit his mistake.

There appears to be many people with questionable Ph D's these days. Even Dr Jubb is being questioned. It's interesting how many people are not showing where they got their Ph D's from, this is often a clue that all is not right.

Just an aside, there is also Dr Graham who is a chiropractor doctor, but many people think he is a medical doctor. It is kind of misleading too.

btw, people like to call them Dr because they heal people, and big fans of their work often effectionately call them Dr (insert first name). With Ann Wigmore it was often Dr Ann, and with Dr Brian Clement it is often Dr Brian.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > SueZ Wrote:
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>
> > -----
> > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > SueZ Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But
> if
> > he
> > > > is
> > > > > not a bona fide doctor and calls himself
> > one
> > > he
> > > > is
> > > > > doing it to claim authority he doesn't
> have
> > > and
> > > > to
> > > > > impress gullible people with fakery.
> > > > >
> > > > > If he truly has a Dr. degree it's
> > > > appropriate
> > > > > for him to call himself that.
> > > > > If he doesn't have an accredited Dr.
> degree
> > > he
> > > > has
> > > > > no integrity. PERIOD.
> > > > >
> > > > > So... does he have the sheepskin or
> not?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why would you need to have a piece of paper
> > > > telling you you're a doctor if you're as
> > > > knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in
> the
> > > > fields of health, nutrition, and science
> than
> > > > so-called "doctors" with these pieces of
> > paper
> > > > (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified
> > > practitioner
> > > > of medicine", which is what Brian Clement
> is.
> > > Only
> > > > he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts,
> > > wheatgrass,
> > > > sea vegetables, algae's, targeted
> > > supplementation,
> > > > high-quality healing equipment, etc. In my
> > > eyes,
> > > > it's irrelevant, but does he have a degree?
> A
> > > lot
> > > > of sources say he does. Then there's the
> > story
> > > of
> > > > how he got his degree at a diploma mill,
> but
> > it
> > > > doesn't really have any evidence, just an
> > > article
> > > > with some unbacked statements.
> > >
> > > I'm not saying someone can't be the most
> > > qualified person in the world without a bona
> > fide
> > > accredited Dr. degree. I'm saying that if
> > someone
> > > uses Dr. with his name, which is an earned
> > title,
> > > and hasn't earned that right legitimately
> that
> > > person would be classified as a fraud. And
> > frauds
> > > have no integrity. That's how it works in the
> > > professional world. No exceptions.
> >
> >
> > I'd say that Brian Clement has definitely
> earned
> > that title given all of his contributions to
> the
> > raw food/holistic nutrition community.
>
> That's not how it works in the real world.
> There is a vetting procedure for such titles
> otherwise they would mean nothing and any busboy
> could call himself a Dr.
>
> Next thing we know you'll be calling yourself
> a Dr. and hanging out a shingle if you don't learn
> some ethics.


I love when people say this, the "real world". Please, tell me what is the "real world". Why try and fit into a society that's completely diseased, corrupt, and uneducated? I'm not superficial, I don't need someone to show me a piece of paper, especially someone like Brian Clement, to prove they know what they're talking about. The proof is in the results of HHI. Again, "doctor" is just a LABEL... all it could mean is they are a good, obedient student.

The HHI only include veggies in their programs to mainly cater for beginners to the diet because they are more mild tasting than sprouts. Dr Brian says that when beginners make the adjustment they should be focussing primarily on sprouts and only use a small amount of veggies as a flavour enhancer if need be. For me, veggies are a poor trade for various reasons l won't go into now, but the most important thing sprouts have over veggies are much higher levels of phyto-chemicals and enzymes....these things appear to peak at the stage when a seed has sprouted - for eg, brocolli sprout phytonutrition reaches it's peak when the leaves of the sprout first form. With wheatgrass it seems to be at the jointing period, and the sprouted grains apparently do have the highest levels of phyto chemicals, that's why the grasses are so important. The science of phyto chemicals and enzymes is pretty impressive for killing off disease and preventing it, so when we have sprouts we are taking it to the next level. Many people just focus on vitamins and minerals, but modern day nutrition is so much more than that. Eventhough you may miss some lower levels of various phyto chemicals by knocking out fruit and veggies in the diet, you are still getting a virtual factory of goodies from the sprouts that the usual fruit and veggie diet can't even begin to approach.And when you focus on fruit and veggies, not only are you greatly cutting down on the enzymes and phyto chemicals, you are often not consuming these things fresh, and much of the fruit is not ripe and won't have the required phyto chemicals and nutrients that nature intended - it is said, the unripe fruits can draw minerals from the body due to things like acidity.

These are just a couple of major points about veggies v's sprouts, but many more things can be said. There are things like oxygen levels in FRESH produce v's non fresh produce (people with lung problems can appreciate this), there is also increasing suggestions to say that human bodies can break down plant hormones and use them as a form of hormone replacement therapy as they age - this appears to be the case for me, l am getting this real strong powerful voice (the typical sproutarian voice...Dr Brian has a strong voice too). Many raw fooders have puny voices (I used to have a small weak voice too), but the voice, sex hormones, gets much more enhanced on the sprout diet. Your voice can BOOM like Mills Darden's used to when they could hear him 5 miles away across some Scottish lake. It's the oxygen, the hormones and probably other stuff. Your voice can also become beautiful and melodic, and the U.T greatly enhances that. What about hormones and cancer? Well, the sprout diet doesn't appear to be working like that. Sproutarians getting cancer?....too many good things in the diet for that to be happening.

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> > > -----
> > > > jtprindl Wrote:
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > SueZ Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > I don't know "Dr." Clement's story. But
> > if
> > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > not a bona fide doctor and calls
> himself
> > > one
> > > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > doing it to claim authority he doesn't
> > have
> > > > and
> > > > > to
> > > > > > impress gullible people with fakery.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If he truly has a Dr. degree it's
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > for him to call himself that.
> > > > > > If he doesn't have an accredited Dr.
> > degree
> > > > he
> > > > > has
> > > > > > no integrity. PERIOD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So... does he have the sheepskin or
> > not?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would you need to have a piece of
> paper
> > > > > telling you you're a doctor if you're as
> > > > > knowledgeable (in this case, far more) in
> > the
> > > > > fields of health, nutrition, and science
> > than
> > > > > so-called "doctors" with these pieces of
> > > paper
> > > > > (degrees)? A doctor is a "qualified
> > > > practitioner
> > > > > of medicine", which is what Brian Clement
> > is.
> > > > Only
> > > > > he uses natural medicines, ie sprouts,
> > > > wheatgrass,
> > > > > sea vegetables, algae's, targeted
> > > > supplementation,
> > > > > high-quality healing equipment, etc. In
> my
> > > > eyes,
> > > > > it's irrelevant, but does he have a
> degree?
> > A
> > > > lot
> > > > > of sources say he does. Then there's the
> > > story
> > > > of
> > > > > how he got his degree at a diploma mill,
> > but
> > > it
> > > > > doesn't really have any evidence, just an
> > > > article
> > > > > with some unbacked statements.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying someone can't be the most
> > > > qualified person in the world without a
> bona
> > > fide
> > > > accredited Dr. degree. I'm saying that if
> > > someone
> > > > uses Dr. with his name, which is an earned
> > > title,
> > > > and hasn't earned that right legitimately
> > that
> > > > person would be classified as a fraud. And
> > > frauds
> > > > have no integrity. That's how it works in
> the
> > > > professional world. No exceptions.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd say that Brian Clement has definitely
> > earned
> > > that title given all of his contributions to
> > the
> > > raw food/holistic nutrition community.
> >
> > That's not how it works in the real world.
> > There is a vetting procedure for such titles
> > otherwise they would mean nothing and any
> busboy
> > could call himself a Dr.
> >
> > Next thing we know you'll be calling
> yourself
> > a Dr. and hanging out a shingle if you don't
> learn
> > some ethics.



I
> don't need someone to show me a piece of paper,
> especially someone like Brian Clement, to prove
> they know what they're talking about. The proof is
> in the results of HHI. Again, "doctor" is just a
> LABEL... all it could mean is they are a good,
> obedient student.

I don't need someone to show me a piece of paper either but you are totally missing the point. It's ok if people call him a doctor out of respect for him. It's a whole different thing if he uses Dr.tagged onto his name if he isn't one. That's the distinction where the ethics line is drawn.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Hm, I like Brian Clement for many reasons but even
> The Sproutarian Man has pointed out some of the
> things he has said is questionable.

I try to be fair and balanced with everything. If there are problems with the sprout diet and am the first to come out and say so. If some of my heros growing up show signs of deception, l am one of the first to come out and expose them. And now it is coming back to bite me. I could have played `their' game and kept my mouth shut and perhaps become part of their inner circle as was slowly starting to happen on some levels, but now the various big guns won't even talk to me...probably because they have read my website and don't like my exposure of E3 live and the vegan diet problems which takes away the 100% positive raw food statements they make. Basically, my messages has made a mockery of various principles of all my raw food hero's growing up and has proven various statements they have made to be wrong. It took a lot of guts to come out and do it, but l want to have complete integrity and get to the 100% truth if l can. No person or diet is off limits, and if l found the sproutarian diet was bad l would come out and say so. All l want is the truth, but it is going to cost me a smooth ride, and it will certainly make any future career in healing impossible because very few people can handle the truth, and very few will even do the type of diet l recommend. I will be a lonesome voice and none of the big gun gurus will want to go near me because they know l will expose their fabrications/nonsense without hesitation if l find inconsistencies.

One of the most important things we can have is integrity. And to show l am not bias, look at the `fruit/toxic smoothies' thread. I could have posted all these damning studies on fruit and made it one sided and look like a nightmare, but l chose not to do that. Instead l posted a summery of 92 major studies that suggested that everything l have been saying about fruit sugars wasn't as bad as l originally made out. See, l am not intersted in taking sides and being right for the sake of it, l am only interested in finding out the truth. That recent study contradicted various things l had been saying and contradicted my beloved Dr Esselstyn on some levels, but l still posted it. It's important we open up our eyes, otherwise we get no-where and learn nothing. If l thought the fruits and veggies were better than sprouts, l would promote them.

With Suez, l actively questioned her diet and seriously questioned the diet on about pages 4 and 5 on the OIL - NUTS thread, but l am open to be proven wrong. For me it is not about winning an argument or having anything against people and their diets...for me it is bringing up issues that l see as important to think about. I try to be fair always.

So many people get defensive here about their diets, but to me that is silly behaviour. We can move beyond that. John Rose takes my criticisms well, Suez takes my criticisms well, but others need to resort to name calling and take to me with knives and defend their diet at all costs. Bad behaviour does not speak well of them, their maturity, mental state and confidence in their diet. If you are thriving and confident in your diet, you don't need to be resorting to negative types of behaviour to try and defend it. You don't see people like John Rose taking to me with the knives because he is confident in what he is doing....he takes my criticisms like a man, not like an immature child, and we can talk about things man to man. Powerlifter and myself can talk aboit diet man to man. Unfortunately with others, the conversation is like man to child, and l refuse to waste my time talking with seasoned raw fooders who behave like children any longer because all they talk is `baby babble'.



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> One of the most important things we can have is
> integrity.


You seem to have been around a while and know a lot of the gurus I don't follow or know much about. Is, or is, not Brian Clement a real bona fide vetted accredited Dr.?

writing books an using the title Dr (from an abandoned parking lot - his university) is a scam. It is very misleading when you add fake titles to your name to boost your marketing image and sell more books.

If the title Dr. doesn't mean much, then don't use one!



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Tsm,
what you fail to realize, mr holier than thou, is that you
present yourself and your diet as superior and beyond reproach
while denying others experience and making snide comments
like "when u run into problems"
and other passive aggressive statements.

remember nobody should ever eat any fruit unless it is picked right off the tree
otherwise you are looking for trouble right?
even though people are actually doing it.

It is not just about diet, that is only a small part of it. It is mainly about the way we behave. Are we giving off good vibrations or negative vibrations? I may from time to time give a sarcastic comment, but it is always done with a light heart and good vibrations....it is never sent with malice. If you resort to name calling, online psychoanalysis and being nasty...do you really think diet is going to help sustain you to high levels??? We have to be the best people we can be and rise above the petty nonsense behaviour because we can all be better than that. It is easy to resort to name calling and running people down, but why not take the higher road, because the negative behaviour effects you more than you think it does. When you truely realise how destructive bad behaviour and attitudes is, you stop doing it. If l think negatively it smashes me apart and completely unbalances me within a second (I am really sensative to it), so l try to minimise that so it is almost non existant because being negative is no way for anyone to live.

Attitude my dear friends, attitude. Diet and exercise are a far second. If you have a negative attacking attitude you will never rise to the levels that you could regardless of whether you are all raw or not, and future sickness will come and healing will be limited. People think they are winning when they put all their emotions into attacking, but you are only attacking yourself through this low level animal type of behaviour. The system works so well that way...the agressors end up bringing themselves down because they haven't learnt the lessons they were here to learn because they are still low level spiritual children with lots of ego. Ego is the seperation of oneself from total cosmic truth and hence the illusion...it is spiritual sickness.

SueZ Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> > One of the most important things we can have is
> > integrity.
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> You seem to have been around a while and
> know a lot of the gurus I don't follow or know
> much about. Is, or is, not Brian Clement a real
> bona fide vetted accredited Dr.?

He is not a Ph D in the real sense.