jtprindl Wrote:
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> "typical of you to avoid anything of substance."
>
> Except for the whole destroying all your weak,
> dogmatic arguments regarding fruit and vegetable
> diets just a few days ago.
>

of course you did. you are the Man!

> "calm down dude."
>
> Coming from the guy who tells people to kill
> themselves and every time he posts is always
> getting into an altercation with someone. I'm calm
> as a cucumber - you and Panchito like to foolishly
> play expert and don't like it when someone snaps
> you back into reality.


so nothing about the video?

SueZ,
I will refrain from sharing my comments on this video (I watched the whole thing), but I have to thank you immensely for posting this, as I got to see another video on the side bar that I would never have seen otherwise. I feel like it was fate for me to read your post. So, thank you sincerely for posting this and I am grateful for also hearing your journey. It takes guts to share personal things, and honestly it helps everyone. If you feel a soul urge to share a video, then you should. Don't let disagreements stop you.

I appreciate reading and hearing everyone's raw vegan journey, including Tavis'.

"of course you did. you are the Man!"

Thank you

"so nothing about the video?"

Nah.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "of course you did. you are the Man!"
>
> Thank you
>
> "so nothing about the video?"
>
> Nah.

coward

critique of video


[www.youtube.com]

it's strange how eating more like our supposed chimp ancestors seems to bring out the ape like behavior in almost everyone who follows such raw diets. very nasty stuff.



i think gabriel cousens was spot on when he said one can not eat their way to god/enlightenment. if there is a positive in this is that it encourages me to practice meditation more frequently!



thanks for posting the video suez, i find tavis to be an interesting character and wish he had more information out there. suppose this video is a good start, i'll watch it when i get the opportunity.

>>>>it's strange how eating more like our supposed chimp ancestors seems to bring out the ape like behavior in almost everyone who follows such raw diets

i did not know that jtprindl and suez are eating like our chimp ancestors?!!?
really?

fresh Wrote:
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> >>>>it's strange how eating more like our supposed
> chimp ancestors seems to bring out the ape like
> behavior in almost everyone who follows such raw
> diets
>
> i did not know that jtprindl and suez are eating
> like our chimp ancestors?!!?
> really?


That was almost clever - but I'm guessing he was talking about the guy who tells other people to kill themselves.

oh, boo hoo. never mind that he said he wants to kill himself repeatedly.

never mind that.

just try to take any lame opportunity to make some kind of pathetic critique of me, simply because you disagree regarding diet.

oh and never mind that suez mindlessly slams panchito and anyone else for no reason.

you two are like the little boy who irritates little sis and sis gets mad and mommy yells at little sister.

how transparent.

this board is just like the world. sick human tribal behavior.

anything from you regarding the topic of this thread? guess not.

Quote

From Tavis video 01:05

And then I use as the main source of burning the fat away, I use the astringent family. And then I use actual components in term of minerals and combined with the living oils, living fats. It could be the sources like avocados.

It is technically wrong to call oil a "living food." If you bite on a fruit or seed, you are eating live food. But if you drink oil, you are not. Oil is made of a macronutrient, fat, artificially extracted from plants, usually seeds or pulp. There is barely nothing alive when you drink or consume oil. Oils are obtained by a process of extraction but so could be said of vegan protein powders. Technically, only animals have living fats. They are live cells that specialice on storing fat. Plants don't have adipose tissue.

"this board is just like the world. sick human tribal behavior."

You should probably leave then because you're one of the primary reasons. You exemplify sick human tribal behavior most of the time - always getting into an altercation, even telling people to kill themselves.

"never mind that he said he wants to kill himself repeatedly."

Not even relevant but I'm sure you feel your comments are justified by his comments, hence another example of your mental instability.

"just try to take any lame opportunity to make some kind of pathetic critique of me, simply because you disagree regarding diet."

I don't need to critique you, you do it yourself - you're just too mentally unstable to realize it.



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fresh Wrote:
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> critique of video
>
>
> [www.youtube.com]


Thank you so much for the critique.
Tavis does not make sense

jtprindl Wrote:
- mental instability.

> I don't need to critique you, you do it yourself -
> you're just too mentally unstable to realize it.

hmmm, you MAY, might, possibly have informed me of that important information once or twice previously. i'll get it . maybe a few more repetitions will help.

I only had the chance to watch only a part of this video this morning and l am very impressed with what l have heard so far. I do look forward to making some comments on Tavis and his good knowledge tommorrow.

He is one of the few setting the higher standard for the future in raw vegan teaching. He understands diet, he employs strategy (the key), he can tailor diets and he appears one of the few who actually does know what he is talking about. He is a diet specialist and he gets my respect for doing things with his unique understanding. Bravo Tavis, the first 5 minutes of your video warmed my heart and makes me feel confident the raw vegan movement is in good hands when we have you and Gabriel and a few others moving out from the boxed in narrow minded uneducated thinking which has plagued the movement for decades.

Tavis appears to have very little ego too. He is living it and doing it and an example of what we can be like...none of this guru `know it all' ego nonsense, just a real bloke saying lots of good things that come from a good understanding of diet.

He has done the fruit diet and now the high fat diet, so he is in a unique position to make comments in regards to fruit diets being starvation diets and the need to eat more solid foods to build up the nutrition.

I like how he employs strategy with astringents too. What is the most astringent substance?...it is tannins l believe, so yes, greens with tannins can be used.

Tavis has really spent the time to think things out. He is one of the stars of the raw vegan world imo.

Such a pity this thread had to be ruined with monkey chatter. Never mind.

www.thesproutarian.com



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chatter

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "to lose weight, in general, you have to eat less
> calories."
>
> Not true, there are a variety of factors at play
> when it comes to losing weight beyond eating fewer
> calories - metabolism, food choices, physical
> activity, hormones, detoxing, etc.


Wow. I don't suppose you have read the many papers
showing incontrovertibly that weight loss is exactly
a function of calories in < calories out.

When you lock people in a metabolic ward and strictly
control their intakes and expenditures, their weight
loss is exactly, precisely as expected.

It is only when they have the ability to lie, cheat,
mismeasure, etc. that they do not lose weight.

Metabolically, there is remarkably little variance per
pound of muscle mass per unit of activity. Humans are
remarkably consistent in that sense.

But there is no shortage of excuses and nonsense as to
why they might possibly be exceptions to the second law
of thermodynamics. I don't suppose you have taken thermo
or thermo 2 at the university. You might possibly respect
these laws if you had.

fresh Wrote:
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> chatter

Exactly. That's what happens when you eat too many bananas and other fruits, the fructose overloads the brain and inflames the glial cells, and monkey chatter is the result.


Oops, l said the F word again, Fresh and all his pals will start getting fired up now. Te he.

Regards Fresh (well, non fresh really): The Sproutarian (the real fresh).

www.thesproutarian.com



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"Wow. I don't suppose you have read the many papers
showing incontrovertibly that weight loss is exactly
a function of calories in < calories out."

More outdated dogma - I like how you tried to sound all scientific though as an attempt to make what you were saying sound factual. You think the sun is bad, super foods are fake, and now weight loss/gain is strictly caloric-based. With all due respect, you're making yourself out to look like a complete fool.



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More outdated dogma - I like how you tried to sound all scientific though as an attempt to make what you were saying sound factual. You think the sun is bad, super foods are fake, and now weight loss/gain is strictly caloric-based. With all due respect, you're making yourself out to look as a complete fool.

I have a couple of STEM degrees and enjoy current employment at a respected University. In addition, I have read over several thousand papers. I have sufficient background in statistics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, photobiology, biochemistry, and nutrition.

Obviously none of the above apply to you. You are playing in a sandbox.

Go to your local university library and educate yourself. Come back after you have taken all of those courses for credit and read maybe 10,000 papers in respected journals, not that Mary Ann Lieber nonsense.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Wow. I don't suppose you have read the many
> papers
> showing incontrovertibly that weight loss is
> exactly
> a function of calories in < calories out."
>
> More outdated dogma - I like how you tried to
> sound all scientific though as an attempt to make
> what you were saying sound factual. You think the
> sun is bad, super foods are fake, and now weight
> loss/gain is strictly caloric-based. With all due
> respect, you're making yourself out to look as a
> complete fool.

wow. i wonder if you could possibly submit some sort of evidence or logic and actually have a conversation with arugula?

nah. obnoxiousness becomes you. it's the key attribute of your persona. don't change a thing.

"I have a couple of STEM degrees and enjoy current employment at a respected University. In addition, I have read over several thousand papers. I have sufficient background in statistics, mathematics, biology, chemistry, photobiology, biochemistry, and nutrition."

Good for you, apparently not enough of a 'sufficient' background in nutrition though. You listing off your 'accomplishments' has nothing to do with the issue at hand - absolutely nothing. Nice try with your appeal to authority fallacy, though.

As far as super foods go, I think I'll trust thousands upon thousands of published scientific studies and a 2,000+ year old medicine system (TCM) over your clear dogmatic bias.

" i wonder if you could possibly submit some sort of evidence or logic and actually have a conversation with arugula?"

She's not interested in evidence, any evidence contrary to her beliefs is "garbage".

jtprindl's not interested in evidence, any evidence contrary to it's beliefs is "insane".

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl's not interested in evidence, any
> evidence contrary to it's beliefs is "insane".


Only difference is I never actually said that.

so what do you think of that conductivity diet, eh jtprindl?

any studies on that?

can you bear to put together one response that is not a personal attack?

jtprindl, I've written some books.

I asked a respected researcher who had conducted clinical trials in both photoaging and skin cancers to edit my work.

He dressed me down for not putting enough emphasis on clinical trials.

I learned something from him, and for that I am grateful.

Maybe someday you will, too.

Give more credence to PNAS and less Mary Ann Leiber.

Not all papers are good.

It's probably safe to say that most papers are not convincing. This is why reviews, meta-analyses, and Cochrane reviews exist.

Such scrutiny is a necessary part of making progress.

Ignore this at your own peril.

If you lack the grace to refrain from making ridiculous insults toward people who obviously have significantly more knowledge, experience, and critical thinking skills, I hope that one day you will accept that not all sources in pubmed are equally valid. It is perfectly ok to disagree with me but by all means read the sources yourself and develop the skills to recognize when a paper is making a significant contribution and when it isn't.

If you are doing it right, it will take the better part of a decade. Also, you will feel compelled to go back to school to learn more math and science from an accredited institution as well as making copious use of your nearest university's courtesy terminals.



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i just found the match.com ad that jtprindl has online.

Humorless, obnoxious, but never wrong! about anything!
like dancing! and superfoods! call me!

>Ignore this at your own peril.

I'm betting on the peril.

that word peril stops looking like a real word when you stare at it for a bit.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl's not interested in evidence, any
> > evidence contrary to it's beliefs is "insane".
>
>
> Only difference is I never actually said that.

oh you've said quite a bit, quite equivalent with that.

arugula Wrote:
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> jtprindl, I've written some books.
>
> I asked a respected researcher who had conducted
> clinical trials in both photoaging and skin
> cancers to edit my work.
>
> He dressed me down for not putting enough emphasis
> on clinical trials.
>
> I learned something from him, and for that I am
> grateful.
>
> Maybe someday you will, too.
>
> Give more credence to PNAS and less Mary Ann
> Leiber.
>
> Not all papers are good.
>
> It's probably safe to say that most papers are not
> convincing. This is why reviews, meta-analyses,
> and Cochrane reviews exist.
>
> Such scrutiny is a necessary part of making
> progress.
>
> Ignore this at your own peril.
>
> If you lack the grace to refrain from making
> ridiculous insults toward people who obviously
> have significantly more knowledge, experience, and
> critical thinking skills, I hope that one day you
> will accept that not all sources in pubmed are
> equally valid. It is perfectly ok to disagree
> with me but by all means read the sources yourself
> and develop the skills to recognize when a paper
> is making a significant contribution and when it
> isn't.
>
> If you are doing it right, it will take the better
> part of a decade. Also, you will feel compelled to
> go back to school to learn more math and science
> from an accredited institution as well as making
> copious use of your nearest university's courtesy
> terminals.


More appeal to authority nonsense. Everything you just said was self-absorbed and/or delusional. Oh, you wrote a book? Awesome! Once again completely irrelevant to the topic we were discussing. You seem like one of those students who got good grades because they were good at reading and regurgitating information 'authority' figures wanted them to but completely lack common sense or the ability to comprehend anything not written in a textbook. The same type of mindset conventional medicine exhibits towards Naturopathic medicine because it's not what they learned in school (natural cures, diet, detoxification, etc. is quackery).



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