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fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > usda nutrient database? Strange, it doesn't show anything of the kind you asserted! In fact, it supports the conclusion of the studies I referenced.
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512. Re: Protein

John Rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > <<>> > > Hey Chat, > > Almost every decent book on Nutrition almost > always has a Section or even a whole Chapter on > the Protein Myth and the issue of “Complete > Proteins” are almost always discussed. Oh yes, and I was perfectly aware of the Myth and how well-know
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513. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > your statement is false. > and is simply based on a reference to a study that > makes an assertion. > show the Data. My statement is not false, and had you taken the trouble to actually open and read the referenced studies, you would have found many of the Data you currently request. Just because it is only
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514. Re: Protein

coco Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you don't mean complete protein as in one > single food that is a complete protein on it's > own, may I suggest using another term to avoid > confusion? That IS what is commonly thought of > upon hearing "complete protein" after all. > Miscommunication, easily avoided. I don't really
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515. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > my point is you can not accurately assert a > "fact" > about proteins and plant foods > without some other necessary information that > impacts > its relevance. > > ignoring the deficiencies of meat is not engaging > in a balanced discussion either. Yes I can. The fact that
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516. Re: Protein

John Rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey Chat, > > Based on the way so many people have responded > over the last decade on this Message Board, I > think I might be one of the few people who not > only read threads very carefully, but I also think > I’m one of the few who even go as far as > analyzing what others have to sa
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517. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > because "Time" has not been defined by you, even > though you have posited > the FACT of protein insufficiency in plant foods. Yep, but I equally did not claim to post anything and everything on the subject whenever I chose to comment. As far as I remember this wasn't in the user agreement Now sinc
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518. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >That most vegan sources of protein are either > incomplete or imbalanced, by contrast to > non-vegetarian sources of protein, is not a myth, > it is a documented fact. > > meaningless. > > Show me a DIET that YOU are going to EAT that is > insufficient in protein. It is not meaning
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519. Re: Protein

John Rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey Chat, > > Yes, we do have consume all of our Essential Amino > Acids, but not all at the same time, which is what > many others have tried to explain to you. > Whenever anyone mentions the phrase “Complete > Proteins,” most people automatically think about > the book, Diet for a
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520. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > chat, > that's good that you're still thinking.... > > are you thinking about how > unbalanced meat is with regard to aminos? > > have you had a conversation with the veg animals? > are they protein paranoid? Thanks! Now, i'm not thinking about meat generally because I don't eat it. Regard
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521. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hence there is a need to consume complete > protein. > > > in every bite? > in every meal? > in every day? > in every week? > in every month? > > what is your contention? > what do your scientific journals tell you? Have a look again through above posts. Powerlifer sugge
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522. Re: Protein

Krefcenz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't follow your bus analogy. It assumes the > conclusion in the premise. For some eating a > limited variety is more optimal than varying the > diet. Maybe the ease of digesting fruit makes > eating more fruit a more optimal approach than > somebody consuming a greater variety which might >
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523. Re: Protein

John Rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- #1) The RDA for Protein has safety features built > in, so instead of multiplying our Ideal Weight in > Kilograms by .8, that multiplier should be more > like .4 or .3. Now, instead of the average 154 > pound man, which would be 70 Kilograms, needing 56 > Grams of Protein, his need should be more like
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524. Re: Protein

pborst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > as long as you eat enough of plant protein from a > single food with a limiting amino acid, you could > satisfy your protein needs. Say lentils, low in > methionine as a limiting amino acid, if you ate > enough lentils, quantity would make up for > quality. Surely just because there is another
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525. Re: Protein

Powerlifer, no I think you are right he does eat only twice a day and it does seem to be a concern for digestion!
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526. Re: Protein

pborst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a myth. The experience of many 8-1-1er on > this board proves that. Many times they eat > monomeals or a limited set of fruit and leafy > greens and do just fine provided they get enough > calories. It is not a myth, it is a fact. Documented evidence says so. If there is new evidence that say
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527. Re: "Why Are Twinkies Cheaper Than Carrots?"

banana who Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > dead-on-arrival-nuke-holocaust-survivor Twinkie This makes me almost want to visit US to try one.......hmmm maybe not! So far as ingredients are concerned, in UK there is noticeable improvement over the past 10 years or so - the ingredients have become better overall. I'm talking generally, we also have pl
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528. Re: Protein

Most vegetable sources of protein are either incomplete or imbalanced, which means vegans need to take care to have a variety of foods in order to receive all essential amino acids in balanced proportions. This is not a myth, this is a fact. A general reference is Young VR, Pellett PL (1994). "Plant proteins in relation to human protein and amino acid nutrition" AMERICAN JOURNAL OF
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529. Re: Protein

powerlifer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Chat i missed your question, i personally think > its best to focus on protein quality over the day > rather than week, makes sure you are getting the > recommended daily protein intake and a broad > profile of amino acids are being consumed. > > Which is why i prefer to eat as best a variet
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530. Re: Protein

pborst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And plant foods provide all of the amino acids and > protein needed without animal products. Say you > have 5 grams of protein in a cup of brown rice and > you are only able to absorb 3 of the 5 because > lysine is low. You still absorb 3 complete grams > of protein, do you not? So, if vegans
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531. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > yes I am a gorilla with respect to amino > acids > And nutrition. Put it on your profile then, so that people know who are they talking to! As the famous comic goes - in the internet, nobody knows you are a dog
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532. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 1 the aminos in meat are " unbalanced" > For humans. That is some scientific advance, care to cite your sources? fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 2 explain how cows, fruit bats, koalas, bonobos, > Gorillas manage to survive Are you a gorilla?
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533. Re: Protein

coco Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought that was exactly what you were implying > with your post as well Chat. It very much sounds > like you are saying complete proteins need to be > consumed rather than a variety of foods which will > make up all the essential amino acids but can be > eaten at different meals/days, etc. > Misc
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534. Re: Protein

pborst Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With respect, I"m not contradicting myself. > Saying that an amino acid may be limiting is not > the same thing as saying it is a protein is > incomplete because it lacks an amino acid. It > doesn't lack the amino acid, rather it may not > have the sufficient proportion by itself for all >
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535. Re: Protein

Tamukha Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > chat, > > The myth is that unless one eats complementary > amino acids together the body will not metabolize > sufficient protein. Tamukha, I'm afraid you didn't read my posts above properly, or you would not have made your post. At no point I suggested that it is imperative to eat all essential
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536. Re: dinning out ideas

That's a good idea! I'm going to try it
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537. Re: Protein

coco Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here's a little info... > > > aw-nutrition/is-spinach-really-a-rich-source-of-pr > otein/ The problem I see with this article is that it seems to be falling to a very common oversimplification discussing "people need protein in their diet" slogan. What people need in fact, is amino aci
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538. Re: Protein

fresh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > chat Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > By contrast non-vegans can just > > eat a piece of meat and they are good to go. > > > > Good to go to the hospital, you mean? No, good to go as far as consumption of complete and balanced protein is co
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539. Re: dinning out ideas

As above! Or worst case scenario, they would have some salad as a side dish (tiny portion), so you can order 3-4 of them and be set.
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540. Re: Protein

powerlifer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The myth as far as i know is about the notion that > one must consume a complete protein at each > meal(which is a good thing) but it is not needed. > Its about the quality of amino acids you consume > over the day not at one meal, although it is > preferred if the protein is complete. This i
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