Yes, Ann Coulter's for real. She was 'the left's' most hated female until Sarah Palin came along.

Canada has developed a reputation for treating threatening "conservatives" rather thuggishly and excusing it by exaggerating the behavior of said conservatives to not fit their stringent political-correctness. They create witch-hunts around them. Sarah Palin is threatening to no one. You couldn't pay me to live in Canada right now.

[www.nytimes.com]



coco Wrote:
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> I thought she was like that Sarah Palin woman, I
> have to tell you I had a good laugh over that
> election when I figured out it was for real and
> not a weirdly unfunny spoof show. I seriously
> thought it was like the Onion on tv, a joke, for
> like WEEKS! I still don't entirely believe it.
> The Ann Coulter lady, she's a personality, like a
> commedian, right? Forgive me, I don't keep up with
> American tv or politics... She's not... real?
> She's not, right?

" During an appearance Monday at the University of Western Ontario in London, Ontario, a female Muslim student noted that Ms. Coulter had once said that Muslims should be banned from airplanes and should use flying carpets instead.

Ms. Coulter responded by telling the student that she could “take a camel.” "

You're sure that's not a comedy skit? I can't believe that's a real political figure.

As for Canada, having recently moved away from a border town I can't say I'd like to live in your country either. Maybe it's what you know.

KidRaw Wrote:
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> Give it up, banana who - it's over.
>
> You read Kwan's rant, you smelled fresh meat, you
> went for it. It didn't work this time - I didn't
> get banned - because I'm not alone in my
> viewpoints on the board anymore, thank God.


Don't accuse me of something I did not do, please. Actually, although I was happy that Kwan spoke out, I realized after I posted it that it contained some political comments that were on the other side and I knew that it would obscure the whole issue. I did NOT try to get you kicked off and I am glad that you and HH can continue with your posts.

I still have questions about exactly what is up around here regarding the PMs. I rarely used them myself but I see that they are still not working. Oh well, life goes on...

coco Wrote:
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> " During an appearance Monday at the University of
> Western Ontario in London, Ontario, a female
> Muslim student noted that Ms. Coulter had once
> said that Muslims should be banned from airplanes
> and should use flying carpets instead.
>
> Ms. Coulter responded by telling the student that
> she could “take a camel.” "
>
> You're sure that's not a comedy skit? I can't
> believe that's a real political figure.
>
> As for Canada, having recently moved away from a
> border town I can't say I'd like to live in your
> country either. Maybe it's what you know.

Ann Coulter is like a female Rush Limbaugh, if you are familiar with him. An over-the-top political commentator. But I find most of her comments actually very cruel, although I occasionally agree with some of the milder ones, just as I do Rush.

A broken clock is right twice a day, after all...

LOL. She is well known for using non-PC humor. How words suddenly became a threat to the welfare of Canada is beyond me. All this PC stuff reminds me of the Victorian era when a woman's ears were deemed too precious to hear certain utterances.

No offense to Canadians intended. I know that there are plenty of cool ones. It's just the ones who are in power that scare me.

coco Wrote:
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> " During an appearance Monday at the University of
> Western Ontario in London, Ontario, a female
> Muslim student noted that Ms. Coulter had once
> said that Muslims should be banned from airplanes
> and should use flying carpets instead.
>
> Ms. Coulter responded by telling the student that
> she could “take a camel.” "
>
> You're sure that's not a comedy skit? I can't
> believe that's a real political figure.
>
> As for Canada, having recently moved away from a
> border town I can't say I'd like to live in your
> country either. Maybe it's what you know.

banana who Wrote:
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> KidRaw Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------

I did NOT try to get you kicked off
> and I am glad that you and HH can continue with
> your posts.

Not quite - the damage has been done -

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

Mission accomplished.

banana who Wrote:
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> I am glad that you and HH can continue with
> your posts.

Not only we two, but John Rose, rhb, veganjuice and occasional others have enjoyed the discourse.

I've heard of the Rush fellow but don't know a thing about him.

I guess here we expect people to take a little responsibility for their actions including when they act by speaking to incite violence and hate crime. If you can find a less destructive way to say things it's more acceptable but that magic carpet business, come on now. That's pure ignorance. Who wants that sort of person spewing publicly? I wouldn't let my 12 year old stand out on the street yelling obscenities, not that he would as he has better manners, and I wouldn't expect anyone else to do it either.

Did you know in Hong Kong chew gum is forbidden? Manners and social responsibility count more in some places than others.

What is it with you guys anyhow? What's with the hatefest, eh? Can't this just be chalked up to a disagreement and move on? Lotta grudge holding going on. You know, I'm going to confess that I hardly even look at who is saying what online. Some of the people here could be virtually interchangable to me, I have no memory for who is behind faceless discourse. Eventually I sometimes clue in to the flavour of one or another person's posts but honestly, I don't know any of you (ok, a couple exceptions) in real life so why get all het up? Sometimes I agree with stuff, sometimes I don't, doesn't matter who writes what and shouldn't matter either. It's the content that counts. Let's get over it and move on already.

My feeling is that people should learn to let words bounce off of them and not assume that they'll "incite violence and hate crimes." That's a bit melodramatic. Do you honestly believe that some Canadians would go burn down a Halal shop because Ann Coulter cracked wise? Instead of threatening someone with prison or shutting down their talk, how about people just don't go to see them? A lot of times I don't defend ideas so much as I defend a person's right to utter them. Would I say what Ann Coulter said? No. Would I turn her into this massive threat to society because she said them? Absolutely not. Sometimes when you protest something you just give it power. Also, I'd have to see her say what she said and fully understand the context before passing judgment. It's entirely possible that she was responding to hostility. The media has a way of exaggerating these things to create stories. Either way, people are too touchy.


coco Wrote:
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> I've heard of the Rush fellow but don't know a
> thing about him.
>
> I guess here we expect people to take a little
> responsibility for their actions including when
> they act by speaking to incite violence and hate
> crime. If you can find a less destructive way to
> say things it's more acceptable but that magic
> carpet business, come on now. That's pure
> ignorance. Who wants that sort of person spewing
> publicly? I wouldn't let my 12 year old stand out
> on the street yelling obscenities, not that he
> would as he has better manners, and I wouldn't
> expect anyone else to do it either.
>
> Did you know in Hong Kong chew gum is forbidden?
> Manners and social responsibility count more in
> some places than others.
>
> What is it with you guys anyhow? What's with the
> hatefest, eh? Can't this just be chalked up to a
> disagreement and move on? Lotta grudge holding
> going on. You know, I'm going to confess that I
> hardly even look at who is saying what online.
> Some of the people here could be virtually
> interchangable to me, I have no memory for who is
> behind faceless discourse. Eventually I sometimes
> clue in to the flavour of one or another person's
> posts but honestly, I don't know any of you (ok, a
> couple exceptions) in real life so why get all het
> up? Sometimes I agree with stuff, sometimes I
> don't, doesn't matter who writes what and
> shouldn't matter either. It's the content that
> counts. Let's get over it and move on already.

HH Wrote:
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> My feeling is that people should learn to let
> words bounce off of them and not assume that
> they'll "incite violence and hate crimes." That's
> a bit melodramatic. Do you honestly believe that
> some Canadians would go burn down a Halal shop
> because Ann Coulter cracked wise? Instead of
> threatening someone with prison or shutting down
> their talk, how about people just don't go to see
> them?

Maybe not but you never know. I do thing that after hearing some hateful violence inciting speach some people will go to the gay village and bash a few fags, maybe kill one or two of them. Because you know what, that's exactly what happened a few years ago. So we change things to protect some citizen's right to live unmolested by taking away the liberty to incite violence against specific groups with hate speach. And it works. One person's right to spew does not outweigh another's right to live, to not be gang assaulted, to not live in fear.
Plenty of people didn't listen to that anti-gay propaganda but those who did were of a certain mind-set and the less fodder for their particular fire, the better. That sort of thing can be incindiary.
Might not be a perfect system but you use the best tools available for the job.
Personally, I appreciate living in a country where it's not every person out for themselves.
I don't think we're after the same sort of social "freedoms". I think Canadians need to function as more of a unit, a group, a team, an extended family and we all Need To Get Along! Not shoot and sue each other and tell people to ride camels like some sort of rude 7 year olds on the playground.
Nope, less of that is just fine with me.

HH and Kid Raw, I don't think you understand the difference between criticizing something and wanting to get it thrown off the air/stifled.

Not only is that against what I stand for, but it is actually DANGEROUS. People who I deem full of hate need to have a place to express themselves like everyone else. If someone hates, that is how they feel at this moment and stifling their point of view is just creating more underground stuff that is more injurious to the public good ultimately, IMO.

But if I criticize something and it just so happens to disappear, that was the action of the person who disappeared it! Nothing more, nothing less. (Please don't mention the Kwan thing--I shouldn't have done it given what some of it said.)

I don't want Rush to be taken off the air! He lost sponsors after Sandra Fluke. I actually found it kind of funny and not as bad as it was made out to be.

Ethnic/racial/religious hatred is a bit different because people has historically gone so far as to kill people over their race or religion. Ann Coulter is a hate-monger at heart, IMO. A sample:

The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient." -- Coulter’s column, 10/29/99

"Berry said her triumph was a victory 'for every nameless, faceless woman of color who now has a chance because this door tonight has been opened.' Yes, at long last, the 'glass ceiling' had been broken. Large-breasted, slightly cocoa women with idealized Caucasian features finally have a chance in Hollywood! They will, however, still be required to display their large breasts for the camera and to discuss their large breasts at some length with reporters." -- Ann Coulter's "I like black people too, Julia!" 4/1/02


She is not stupid but her lack of compassion rubs me the wrong way. That is what I sense from some of these posts. It is possible to talk about the issues/problems of the day from a more heart-filled space, if you can tolerate hippie drivel.

HH: You talk about people being too touchy but I seem to recall you going ballistic when I made the statement about an MA being worthless. I would not have written that had I known that you were a professor. But even so, why get so sensitive about it? It was really just hyperbole because obviously if I hated university so much I would not have continued after my BA.

"Ballistic?" Once again, hyperbole. I disagreed with you on something that I have significantly more knowledge and experience in than you do.

I'm done with this. I suggest a fresh start between us. Time to move on.



banana who Wrote:
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> HH and Kid Raw, I don't think you understand the
> difference between criticizing something and
> wanting to get it thrown off the air/stifled.
>
> Not only is that against what I stand for, but it
> is actually DANGEROUS. People who I deem full of
> hate need to have a place to express themselves
> like everyone else. If someone hates, that is how
> they feel at this moment and stifling their point
> of view is just creating more underground stuff
> that is more injurious to the public good
> ultimately, IMO.
>
> But if I criticize something and it just so
> happens to disappear, that was the action of the
> person who disappeared it! Nothing more, nothing
> less. (Please don't mention the Kwan thing--I
> shouldn't have done it given what some of it
> said.)
>
> I don't want Rush to be taken off the air! He lost
> sponsors after Sandra Fluke. I actually found it
> kind of funny and not as bad as it was made out to
> be.
>
> Ethnic/racial/religious hatred is a bit different
> because people has historically gone so far as to
> kill people over their race or religion. Ann
> Coulter is a hate-monger at heart, IMO. A sample:
>
> The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a
> "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient." --
> Coulter’s column, 10/29/99
>
> "Berry said her triumph was a victory 'for every
> nameless, faceless woman of color who now has a
> chance because this door tonight has been opened.'
> Yes, at long last, the 'glass ceiling' had been
> broken. Large-breasted, slightly cocoa women with
> idealized Caucasian features finally have a chance
> in Hollywood! They will, however, still be
> required to display their large breasts for the
> camera and to discuss their large breasts at some
> length with reporters." -- Ann Coulter's "I like
> black people too, Julia!" 4/1/02
>
>
> She is not stupid but her lack of compassion rubs
> me the wrong way. That is what I sense from some
> of these posts. It is possible to talk about the
> issues/problems of the day from a more
> heart-filled space, if you can tolerate hippie
> drivel.
>
> HH: You talk about people being too touchy but I
> seem to recall you going ballistic when I made the
> statement about an MA being worthless. I would not
> have written that had I known that you were a
> professor. But even so, why get so sensitive about
> it? It was really just hyperbole because obviously
> if I hated university so much I would not have
> continued after my BA.

Haha! Forgiveness is a beautiful thing.

No fresh start for me. Because I'm still being portrayed as the bad guy (with no compassion, and I asked for it because of my tone), and banana who is Miss Innocent/Miss Misunderstood, and you guys are all hunky dory again.

Funny, the parallels to real life politics here - how 'the left' females can attack and destroy the reputation of a female on 'the right', and get a free pass.

Disappointment for me, but who cares, girls, right? You could care less about the female and your mission is accomplished

banana who Wrote:
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> HH and Kid Raw, I don't think you understand the
> difference between criticizing something and
> wanting to get it thrown off the air/stifled.

Yes, I'm the one who has wrongly interpreted your action of complaining about the political talk to the moderator to have him use force to shut down the political talk and maybe get rid of me.

You were not 'criticizing', you were complaining to the moderators to have them either ban somebody or at the very least to ban Political talk from the board. You were trying to shut down any opposition, plain and simple, and you can try to explain yourself and obfuscate until the cows come home, and it looks like you're now getting a free pass, but I still don't like the style and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


> People who I deem full of hate


Like me, I presume

> need to have a place to express themselves
> like everyone else.

Then why did you complain to the government to shut down dissent.

If someone hates, that is how
> they feel at this moment and stifling their point
> of view is just creating more underground stuff
> that is more injurious to the public good
> ultimately, IMO.

Then why did you try to shut down me and/or the political talk

> But if I criticize something and it just so
> happens to disappear, that was the action of the
> person who disappeared it!

Right, nothing to do with you. You take absolutely no responsibility.

> her lack of compassion rubs
> me the wrong way. That is what I sense from some
> of these posts. It is possible to talk about the
> issues/problems of the day from a more
> heart-filled space

Like you do, banana who, and I don't, so I'm the 'bad guy' and I got what I deserved and you smell like a rose. And the more I try to defend myself, the worse I look. I'm just digging myself deeper into a hole.

I feel like I'm back in high school again and the 'mean girls' have attacked me (again) and I'm trying to defend myself, but they have their clique (Kwan, Tamuka, banana who and coco) and I'm alone, looking like it's all my fault and they're the 'popular girls' so there's no support.

I don't think you're the bad guy anymore than I think that Banana Who is innocent or misunderstood. What I said stands. I fully disagree with Banana Who's complaints and the way she presented them, but it's time to move on.

Your reputation is 100% intact as far as I'm concerned.


KidRaw Wrote:
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> No fresh start for me. Because I'm still being
> portrayed as the bad guy (with no compassion, and
> I asked for it because of my tone), and banana who
> is Miss Innocent/Miss Misunderstood, and you guys
> are all hunky dory again.
>
> Funny, the parallels to real life politics here -
> how 'the left' females can attack and destroy the
> reputation of a female on 'the right', and get a
> free pass.
>
> Disappointment for me, but who cares, girls,
> right? You could care less about the female and
> your mission is accomplished

Yes, you can move on, but I can't because she still continues to say how I'm at fault because of my tone and my lack of compassion, etc. so she's in the right because she has compassion, etc., so I can't move on as long as I'm still being portrayed as 'the bad guy' who 'deserved it'.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2013 07:18PM by KidRaw.

Try focusing on the people who are your friends and who treat you accordingly. You have a lot of incendiary ideas and you're not afraid to disseminate them. Most people like that learn to relish the hatred and/or how to appease their opponents without losing ground. Forgiveness means that nothing is being taken personally. It does not mean that the debate ends.

Good advice. But my ideas aren't any more incendiary than theirs. Why do the Liberals get away with demonizing and shutting down the opposition through force of the government - because it works for them.



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 08/27/2013 07:41PM by KidRaw.

You know, when Kwan and I had a ripper of a fight we both came to terms with each other, said our sorries and moved on. Same with BW and I in fact. I've never seen Tamukha really lose her cool so she off the hook on this one.
I haven't had a severe disagreement with you so far, kidraw, that I recall anyhow, but if we do I sure hope we'll be able to put it to rest after the arguement's run it's course. Let it go girl, it's festering at this point.

coco,

For me, it's an intolerance issue; I don't not tolerate libs at all, I see them as a cancer on the country, even the world. LIberals aren't the least bit tolerant of others views either, christians for example.

I'm probably broad brushing with my statements, I'm sure there is a lib someplace that can be agreeable, but for the most part - you're not going to change your opinion/belief system, and I'm not about to change mine.

LOl - so there you have it - intolerance. As long as folks cannot tolerate one another, there is always contension, or "festering", as you put it.

Our current US leader is a "festering" problem for me; 2016 cannot come fast enough.

Liberals will cry for days about the Holocaust but then speak of Christians how we're told that the Nazis hatefully spoke of Jews. Many of them actually believe that the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of all Christianity. There are some reasonable liberals out there, but I find that most are in line with the Jewish Tim Wise who openly wishes for the end of white (Christian) people. [www.timwise.org] As a Christian, yes, I find this to be offensive and puke-worthy. By the way, I became a Christian simply to spite liberals and because it's a huge part of my family history. Now that I'm here I kind of like it.

Like so many libs of his ilk, Wise does not live what he preaches (for a lot of money). He lives in a $600K plus home in a town that's 97% white and has zero black people. [www.lsrebellion.blogspot.com]


veganjuice Wrote:
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> coco,
>
> For me, it's an intolerance issue; I don't not
> tolerate libs at all, I see them as a cancer on
> the country, even the world. LIberals aren't the
> least bit tolerant of others views either,
> christians for example.
>
> I'm probably broad brushing with my statements,
> I'm sure there is a lib someplace that can be
> agreeable, but for the most part - you're not
> going to change your opinion/belief system, and
> I'm not about to change mine.
>
> LOl - so there you have it - intolerance. As long
> as folks cannot tolerate one another, there is
> always contension, or "festering", as you put it.
>
> Our current US leader is a "festering" problem for
> me; 2016 cannot come fast enough.

You guys are so weird. Seriously, you can't get more liberal that me. I was raised by hippies dudes. Real live peace-lovin' tree-huggin' music playing protest going granola eating tie-dye wearing HIPPIES! I had my kids in bathtubs and I don't shave under my arms, lolololol. Since you absolutely loathe me and my kind so much have at it, go on your little tear and hate me up. It doens't hurt me any at all, it's you who've got to live with that poison deep in your hearts and minds. If that's what you really want then I'm going to "tolerate" your position. I'll tolerate it somewhere else though. I'm not going to put up with political ranting on this site. Consider yourself advised, I will be requesting deletion of threads by the moderator. Honestly, you're asking for it and I've had enough.
Cheers chicos and chicas, have a pleasant day.

"Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit."


Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927

......whoa! What just happened...

I just had what I thought was a clever post as a way to stop this nonsense and get back to where we used to be, so coco maybe you'll want to change your post, and we can put this all behind us. I'll post it anyway.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/28/2013 01:51PM by KidRaw.

I've crafted banana who's statement that can provide closure to the kerfuffle she created by complaining to Bryan and John on the main forum.

"I realize I was in the wrong to complain to Bryan and John, which has put myself and others on the defensive and has jeopardized the lively debate on the other topics forum. I realize that I've also been guilty of that which I've accused others - their strong opinions and 'tone' - and I over-reached in thinking I knew their intentions and feelings behind their words, and in projecting certain undesirable character traits onto them.

And because I don't believe in censorship and have enjoyed the political and economic discussions in the past, I'd like to apologize if I offended anyone or tried to portray them in a bad light, when I've been guilty of same, and ask that we can move on now and view this as a learning experience or maybe just some much-needed melo-drama because the board was getting boring as hell, but I had missed out on my share of personal drama by not announcing that I was leaving a couple months ago as per custom, so I figured it was owed me."

lol A Pre-written confession!

Are you gonna change KR to KGB?

Reminds me of a Cheech and Chong skit.

Sign zee Papers old man!