These issues of garlic and other spices were clearly explained by the Natural Hygiene folks, case closed



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2012 04:38PM by RawPracticalist.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> These issues of garlic and other spices were
> clearly explained by the Natural Hygiene folks,
> case closed

The only reasons put forward by the NH folks were that a small number with colitis find garlic irritating. Well some get hypothyroidism from raw greens, cherry picking side effects can be done for any food.

And then the counter arguement was that there is a massive wealth of scientific evidence that garlic and onions are amongst the healthiest foods discovered to date.

Your going to need to do more than just constantly shouting toxic and medicine to convince me that garlic and onions are bad, when the balance of evidence clearly suggests otherwise. Not to mention the irony when i have also explained that all plant foods have phytonutrients and "medicinal" alkaloids.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2012 05:15PM by powerlifer.

The NH folk argument is that food should be appealing, mouth watering. This is very simple and there are plenty of foods that just do that. Garlic requires camouflage, mouth washing.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> The NH folk argument is that food should be
> appealing, mouth watering. This is very simple and
> there are plenty of foods that just do that.
> Garlic requires camouflage, mouth washing.

In that case is Durian also not a food?. Durian is one of the most horrible smelling and tasting foods i have ever come across and i don't think i could ever eat one again without gagging, even if disguised.

As such by NH standards, durian is now a medicine that is toxic. What silly logic to classify what is and isn't a food in my opinion. What appeals to one's taste may not another.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2012 06:13PM by powerlifer.

Doesn't anyone know anything about 'black pepper'??? It was a simple question!

jalan

jalanutan Wrote:
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> Doesn't anyone know anything about 'black
> pepper'??? It was a simple question!
>
> jalan

Black Pepper does indeed have anti-bacterial effects if that was the question Jalanutan.

But so do many plant foods to varying degrees, even dates have shown anti-bacterial properties.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2012 09:07PM by powerlifer.

Black pepper was discussed at length in this forum [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
Just like raw potatos there was no agreement

jalanutan,

You would have to eat a boatload of black pepper to kill a parasite; maybe the active ingredient--piperadine--can be bought as a tincture and used as a veggie soak? 'Cos it's much easier to just make sure one doesn't eat the eggs of a parasite to begin with.

Ok thx. What I mostly wanted to know was if black pepper had any negative properties, like garlic apparently has. Great, but I still like to add garlic sometimes

jalan

I took a peek at the 'black pepper' discussion through the link you provided Madinah. Actually, it wasn't very dissimilar from our discussion bout garlic.

One thing I noticed, was that some people seem to think that those who don't use condiments, or restrict their diet in some way, as denying themselves pleasure.

A friend of mine said the same thing, but I don't see it that way at all. I enjoy what I eat, but I think the core of the problem is that they endeavour to justify eating everything they can get their hands on. So when they see someone who is a raw vegan, it shows them up, as they're generally well aware of the dangers of a SAD diet.

jalan

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> The NH folk argument is that food should be
> appealing, mouth watering. This is very simple and
> there are plenty of foods that just do that.
> Garlic requires camouflage, mouth washing.


For me, the smell of garlic is mouth watering biiiig time! Even the thought of a fresh crunchy garlic bread (yes you can have it raw) mmmmmmmmmm

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2012 10:19AM by chat.

Tamukha Wrote:
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> RawPracticalist,
>
> If people are unknowingly hurting themselves, we
> have the right to tell them.
>
> Yes, once or twice, but not to insist upon your
> viewpoint as the Only Way until the rest of us cry
> "uncle."
>
> Also, please consider that the justification that
> allium eaters are "unknowingly hurting themselves"
> is, at best, patronizing, and at worst,
> infantilizing, because it presumes bone ignorance
> on the part of people that eat alliums.


My suspicion is, 99% of people who'd jump out of their trousers to prove their point to others under the heading of thereby "helping others" - use this reason as a pretense, to cover up their real ambition. Funny is that very often they do that subconsciously

>Banana ice-cream rocks!<

Most people are simply stating the truth they know by experience and common sense

The truth you are stating is merely your opinion, not fact. Much like my views on garlic are just my opinion, albeit one supported by science rather than natural hygeine logic.

Whilst it may be the truth for you, it certainly isn't the case for everyone.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2012 06:47PM by powerlifer.

Natural Hygiene folks watched nature to isolate the basic laws of nutrition. Children will naturally enjoy eating an apple, not garlic. This was true before science came.
When was the last time when even adults coming from a meal of garlic said "That was so delicious"?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2012 07:45PM by RawPracticalist.

We've been through this all before, id wager a good bet if i put an apple and a few mcdonalds chicken nuggets infront of a child that they would go for the flavour enhanced chicken nuggets over the boring apple.

Whats natural about that. Watching animals in nature and defining our laws of nutrition all around wild animals is destined to fail.

Again taste is specific to an individual, i hear adult friends all the time declaring how delicious there kebabs and greasy burgers are, doesn't make it good for you from a nutrition point of view.

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chicken nuggets are NOT growing on trees.
You seem to think science has the answers. It does not.
Science told us to drink milk for calcium, and we know it is not right.
Science told us many things about nutrition that are not true, you just have to look around to see the results, larger bellies, diabetes, heart disease.

No some science told us to drink milk for calcium. I know fine well much science is manipulated by corporations and pharmaceutical companies to sell. But all in all science is about the best way we have to judge how healthy a food is.

I don't think science has all the answers, but it is the foundation of my views on what makes a healthy diet. The problem with the majority of Natural Hygeine is that the inventor has pretty much created their own science one that doesn't hold up with chemistry, biology or even nutritionally from a scientific point of view.

Not only that but much of the logic doesn't hold up or make sense if you understand what actually makes up a food which is alot more than just the building blocks i.e the nutrients which is the only aspect of plant foods that NH acknowleges. The whole garlic/herbs/spices are bad because they are medicinal holds no logic when all plant foods including fruits contain various different "medicinal" alkaloids.

Nor does the stimulant argument when Natural Hygeine can't even differentiate between CNS stimulants and other stimulants which don't effect the adrenal glands or nervous system. This is where NS as a whole is far to simplistic for its own good, much like the fact that they believe toxicity is the cause of all disease which again we know is false.

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Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2012 08:57PM by powerlifer.

powerlifer Wrote:
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> No some science told us to drink milk for calcium.
> I know fine well much science is manipulated by
> corporations and pharmaceutical companies to sell.

> But all in all science is about the best way we
> have to judge how healthy a food is.

U must be joking. But I know ur not.

And yet therein lies the source of humanity's ills
Ever heard of vision, taste, chewing, smell?


>
> I don't think science has all the answers, but it
> is the foundation of my views on what makes a
> healthy diet. The problem with the majority of
> Natural Hygeine is that the inventor has pretty
> much created their own science one that doesn't
> hold up with chemistry, biology or even
> nutritionally from a scientific point of view.
>
> Not only that but much of the logic doesn't hold
> up or make sense if you understand what actually
> makes up a food which is alot more than just the
> building blocks i.e the nutrients which is the
> only aspect of plant foods that NH acknowleges.
> The whole garlic/herbs/spices are bad because they
> are medicinal holds no logic when all plant foods
> including fruits contain various different
> "medicinal" alkaloids.
>

Once again u falsely characterize, even though
U should know that nh acknowledges that toxins
Should be minimized and not eliminated.

What u cant see is that studies in labs of medicines are flawed since impact in body is different
And population studies are also flawed due
To difficulties with variables

> Nor does the stimulant argument when Natural
> Hygeine can't even differentiate between CNS
> stimulants and other stimulants which don't effect
> the adrenal glands or nervous system. This is
> where NS as a whole is far to simplistic for its
> own good, much like the fact that they believe
> toxicity is the cause of all disease which again
> we know is false.
>
> [www.vegankingdom.co.uk]

And yet it is u who are simplistic in that ur adrenal gland stimulant that u promote has other effects that u cannot know.

Read david agus for more examples