why are you so competitive and closed minded about what you eat?

what is the purpose of this "my diet is better than your diet" repetition?

the point of food and health as promoted here is to focus as much as possible on raw food and veganism and share what works.

within that, people are different with different needs and desires.

I say you're closed minded because of the fact that having different desires and needs means that people may put emphasis on different things than you do and some people absolutely cannot function on your diet.

GAME over? you're like a little egotistical child that needs everyone to eat like you do. how old are you, 12?

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I have found a 70 page science study done on
> sprouting by Dr Finney, and he is saying
> everything l have been saying about sprouts. A
> comprehensive discussion on why the sprout diet is
> far more nutritious than the average raw vegan
> diet will be posted in a short while. I am
> collecting all the nutrition charts and will be
> posting the science of it all.
>
> Some nutrients in green veggies may be higher than
> in various sprouts, but a mixed green sprout diet
> will make up for this and come out a winner. + we
> have the sprouted seeds which puts the sprout diet
> MILES ahead of the average vegan diet, + when we
> add in sprouted fermented grains and algaes it is
> game over. + we have the enzymes, phytonutrients
> and phytohormones, minerals and vitramins, and
> it's all fresh.
>
> People may say...phytonutrients are not RDA's, but
> that is missing the point. These enzymes,
> phytonutrients are all part of the health and
> healing nature of plants, so if you are not taking
> into account all of these factors you are only
> seeing healing nutrition through a narrow scope
> (blinkered old fashioned
> thinking).
>
> What i'll do is post examples of diets and their
> nutrition levels so one becomes very clear of the
> nutrition of a sproutarian diet v's regular high
> fruit/veggie diets. It's time some eyes were
> opened about all this stuff once and for all.
>
> fermentation = the nutrient booster, both gross
> and bioavailability increases
> As has been said, fermentation does increase amino
> acid levels by increasing the limiting amino acids
> in plant foods and increasing NPU value. It also
> increases B vitamin levels in food, sometimes up
> to 50% according to Dr Finney's science paper. He
> references over 300 studies.
>
> It's amazing too...the studies showing that
> sprouted foods are helping humans and animals get
> higher levels of health than regular plant foods.
> Lots of exciting things to talk about, and very
> very much to be said. Hold onto your hats folks,
> all the good stuff is coming.

I am not sure if it is a question of my diet is better.
There is always the natural quest to find the best diet,
the best of anything we do.
So the results of the studies are all important to us.
The studies prove that sprouts have the best nutrients and this makes sense.

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> I am not sure if it is a question of my diet is
> better.
> There is always the natural quest to find the best
> diet,
> the best of anything we do.
> So the results of the studies are all important to
> us.
> The studies prove that sprouts have the best
> nutrients and this makes sense.

Its not about studies or nutrients!

there are many things to consider about food.

and the way he talks gives that impression as I noted.

Sprout has the best nutritious food.
It is a paradigm shift.
It is huge.
We can grow them indoor.
We can control how we grow the sprouts.
We do not need to stand in line at the groceries store to buy lettuce or any other inferior food.

To me, "sprout has the best most nutritious food"

is false.

if u want to have a conversation u might want to say
what qualities a good food has, maybe a new thread.

believe it or not, people have different thoughts on that question.

I see that u are just like tsm and wish to make rigid pronouncements
and value judgments on food categories for all in all situations.

"To me, "sprout has the best most nutritious food"

is false"

It's not a matter of "To me", it's a matter of facts. That logic is along the lines of "To me, we're not breathing air"... well okay but that's not true. What foods, specifically, are more nutritious than sprouts?

Apparently people here do not understand this concept because you think in terms x quantity of y nutrients.

until someone is able to define the qualities that define a good food and or diet this discussion is pointless.

you are so focused on best, most, highest, you are completely blind to the whole


everything has to be a competition with humans, best!!!!! Better!, highest!.

we dont eat just one food.
there is no best
best for what? For who? For when?



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"until someone is able to define the qualities that define a good food and or diet this discussion is pointless."

Vitamins, minerals, enzymes, phytochemicals, electrical frequency, amino acids, hormones, digestibility.

"we dont eat just one food."

I agree, but we should be eating/juicing sprouts MORE than any other food. That doesn't mean other foods should be excluded.

"best for what?"

Nourishment, curing disease, preventing disease.

"For who?"

Everyone.

"For when?"

Now.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "until someone is able to define the qualities
> that define a good food and or diet this
> discussion is pointless."
>
> Vitamins, minerals, enzymes, phytochemicals,
> electrical frequency, amino acids, hormones,
> digestibility.
>
> "we dont eat just one food."
>
> I agree, but we should be eating/juicing sprouts
> MORE than any other food. That doesn't mean other
> foods should be excluded.
>
> "best for what?"
>
> Nourishment, curing disease, preventing disease.
>
> "For who?"
>
> Everyone.
>
> "For when?"
>
> Now.


Great, thanks, thats perfect and explains the direction you are going in.

my view on all of the above is of course different and explains my food choices.

now why do you people think that your view is right for all?

Very self absorbed.

After all I have no problem with people having your view based on your needs and desires, I merely question some aspects of it when claims are made.



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"now why do you people think that your view is right for all?

Very self absorbed."

It's not really a view, it's the nutritional and scientific factual research. I'm not telling anybody what to eat, their food choices are their own, but when it comes to raw food, sprouts are actually extremely underrated despite their richness in all the things I mentioned above and the fact that they're extremely cheap. Superb nutrition, fresh, and cheap. Does it mean people have to actually put in work for their own food for once instead of having the convenience of going to a grocery store? Yup. Is it worth it in every aspect? Yup. Promoting sprouts does not equal excluding everything else. But if we're talking from a strictly nutritional standpoint, nothing really matches sprouts.

It is still your view based on your priorities.
sorry u cant understand that.

"It is still your view based on your priorities.
sorry u cant understand that."

That's like saying it's my view that grass is green. Okay, but it's also the reality.

>But if we're talking from a strictly nutritional standpoint, nothing really matches sprouts.

and that is what I am saying, there are other considerations
other than what you think is "strictly nutritional standpoint"

calories, taste, unwillingness or objections to juice, improper nutrient profile, too high in some nutrients, too low in others, etc etc



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RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> Thank for sharing
>
> But recent postings have show the limitation and
> issues with fermentation.


Regarding the aldehyde issue.....there are things that can help the body process it so issues are minimised. Various amino acids will help process the aldehyde more effectively, and drinking lots of water also helps clear it out of the body. None-the-less, it is advised not be be having ferments everyday.

Things like green juices, sprouted seeds, seaweeds, algaes and water give some protection against aldehydes.

I'll post material about this issue hopefully tommorrow because it is important people know about this.

www.thesproutarian.com



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Good point tsm, And there is another qualifier that I think should be used to determine a proper healthy food, not needing all kinds of technical information to determine what to eat.

Thats what I mean by, its not about nutrients primarily

TSM, I have to admit I've never been a huge sprouts fan. But with your posts and jtprindl's posts, I've started including more sprouts in my diet. Last week I was in San Francisco and I bought some broccoli sprouts and some sprouts that included caraway, and they were delicious. In the past I would only eat alfalfa, clover, and mung bean sprouts.

Thats good prana but buying food is bad, apparently.

Prana Wrote:
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> TSM, I have to admit I've never been a huge
> sprouts fan. But with your posts and jtprindl's
> posts, I've started including more sprouts in my
> diet. Last week I was in San Francisco and I
> bought some broccoli sprouts and some sprouts that
> included caraway, and they were delicious. In the
> past I would only eat alfalfa, clover, and mung
> bean sprouts.


One of my favorites - extremely nutritious radish sprouts...

[sproutpeople.org]

SueZ Wrote:
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> Prana Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TSM, I have to admit I've never been a huge
> > sprouts fan. But with your posts and jtprindl's
> > posts, I've started including more sprouts in
> my
> > diet. Last week I was in San Francisco and I
> > bought some broccoli sprouts and some sprouts
> that
> > included caraway, and they were delicious. In
> the
> > past I would only eat alfalfa, clover, and mung
> > bean sprouts.
>
>
> One of my favorites - extremely nutritious
> radish sprouts...
>
> [sproutpeople.org]


Have you ever had garlic sprouts? They're really expensive ($25 for 1/2 lb.), haven't tried them but thinking about getting them and having potent broccoli/garlic sprout salads.

Prana Wrote:
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> TSM, I have to admit I've never been a huge
> sprouts fan. But with your posts and jtprindl's
> posts, I've started including more sprouts in my
> diet. Last week I was in San Francisco and I
> bought some broccoli sprouts and some sprouts that
> included caraway, and they were delicious. In the
> past I would only eat alfalfa, clover, and mung
> bean sprouts.

I am really happy to read that Prana. Have you ever done green juices with wheatgrass juice in them?

Broccoli, radish, alfalfa and all those are wonderful. Just ordered 1 kg of Wakame brown seaweed and another 6 kg of chia seed. I am also hoping to buy 10 kg of broccoli seeds next week, 2kg of radish and 10 kg of millet. If they can give me a good price l will also get oats (oatgrass), red clover, oat groats and various others in one big order. Want to hot the broccoli sprouts hard in the coming months...not worried about goitrogens because seaweeds are my weapon against that type of nasty business. + in the next couple of months l will start getting back into weekly weed juice fasts...very excited about that.

Will also be getting another 20 kg sack of rye, and various quantities or organic nuts from farms and backyards. Will also need to top on with another 20 kg sack of french green lentils and 10kg of mung beans.

"Want to hot the broccoli sprouts hard in the coming months"

Any particular reason?

And when you do 32 oz of green sprout juice at a sitting you will fly high all day. You don't get hyper, but you get very high energy and feel at peace with everything, and you can work all day and never get tired on a steady energy level. It takes time to get that effect.

And when Dr Clement says that sprout juices are far more powerful than vegetable juices, he is not kidding. Green veggie juices NEVER give even close to that effect, and the weed juices don't either. Some of the vitamin and mineral levels in green sprouts may compare with some of the dark green veggies, so this tells me there is more going on with the sprouts than just vitamins and minerals - to me it is the phytochemicals, phytohormones, electrical frequency and enzymes that are giving the sprouts the power. The rda's (old narrow viewed science) don't take this into account, but a plant is more than just vitamins and minerals, it is the entire plant that feeds a body, and the sprouts appear to have everything a person needs. If you can get higher levels of health promoting nutrients like enzymes, phytochemicals and phytohormones, then why not take that opportunity.

I'll never forget the time Kulvinskas said to me "the sprouts are all you need". It oozed of confidence of a man living the lifestyle and having it work for him. He is in a good place and you can feel he is doing what he says he does.

www.thesproutarian.com

jtprindl Wrote:
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> "Want to hot the broccoli sprouts hard in the
> coming months"
>
> Any particular reason?

The calcium, sulfur, enzymes and phytochemicals. I enjoy them and l get a great effect. It will make for a good experiement.

The science literature says that 1 oz of broccoli sprouts has the same anti cancer effect as 1 pound of vegetable broccoli. WOW!!! But the story gets better and better with broccoli sprouts, the balance of the phytochemicals is completely superior in many ways over the broccoli vegetable.

If the broccoli sprout phytochemicals do that for sick people, what else do they do to promote health?

Why not grow plants yourself and eat them fresh. That is real food, and that is harnessing the true power of raw.

www.thesproutarian.com

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Prana Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > TSM, I have to admit I've never been a huge
> > > sprouts fan. But with your posts and
> jtprindl's
> > > posts, I've started including more sprouts in
> > my
> > > diet. Last week I was in San Francisco and I
> > > bought some broccoli sprouts and some sprouts
> > that
> > > included caraway, and they were delicious. In
> > the
> > > past I would only eat alfalfa, clover, and
> mung
> > > bean sprouts.
> >
> >
> > One of my favorites - extremely nutritious
> > radish sprouts...
> >
> > [sproutpeople.org]
>
>
> Have you ever had garlic sprouts? They're really
> expensive ($25 for 1/2 lb.), haven't tried them
> but thinking about getting them and having potent
> broccoli/garlic sprout salads.

I just have the garlic chives. I haven't tried them yet as I haven't decided whether to plant them outside this summer, go with the micro-greens, or just sprout them yet.

Well, I guess since the subject has come up, I'll soak some tonight for sprouting. While I'm at it I'll go for a quart of onion sprouts, too for a nice raw soup in a few days. Heck, might as well soak their Madison mix for the parrot as long as I'm at it.

These are all from their Exotic Mix sampler...

[sproutpeople.org]

Sprouted seeds are very expensive in my country. Farrr higher than in the U.S, and we can't buy in bulk anymore from sprout companies, and you will find most sprout companies are a nightmare to deal with.

5kg (roughly 10 pounds) of red clover = over $400 (that is a special price too).

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Sprouted seeds are very expensive in my country.
> Farrr higher than in the U.S, and we can't buy in
> bulk anymore from sprout companies, and you will
> find most sprout companies are a nightmare to deal
> with.
>
> 5kg (roughly 10 pounds) of red clover = over $400
> (that is a special price too).


You can get 35 LBS of red clover here for $170 retail plus shipping. But that's an awfully lot of seed which is especially high in coumarins which are very potent blood anticoagulants. Be careful!

SueZ Wrote:
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>
>
> You can get 35 LBS of red clover here for $170
> retail plus shipping. But that's an awfully lot of
> seed which is especially high in coumarins which
> are very potent blood anticoagulants. Be careful!

Yes, they are the highest source of coumestans, excellent for breast cancer. It's brother `alfalfa' is very high too.

The price Americans pay for sprouting seeds makes me want to cry. We pay through the nose for everything in my country. Houses, utility bills, food etc.

I've done 16 oz of red clover juice for months at a time. Never had a problem with it.

www.thesproutarian.com

TSM, maybe you need to start an importing business selling sprouting seed, where you come to the USA and buy volumes of seed to sell back home at a good profit.

Prana Wrote:
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> TSM, maybe you need to start an importing business
> selling sprouting seed, where you come to the USA
> and buy volumes of seed to sell back home at a
> good profit.


That is a good idea.

I once had a long internet talk with a woman who had the same problem of getting less expensive craft supplies in NZ, in her case the problem was the price of glass beads which are dirt cheap in the US but crazy ezpensive there. I even went so far as guiding her to businesses in NZ and OZ who do a brisk business with the US and ship heavy objects who could show her the ropes and perhaps even work something out to piggy back importing beads with their cargo.

Although she was intelligent and receptive and seemed motivated she just couldn't make herself do anything enterprising to get anything innovative done. I think getting such enterprises going is one of those skills we here in the US take for granted that most people in other parts or the world find very hard to grasp, for some reason I don't understand.



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > You can get 35 LBS of red clover here for
> $170
> > retail plus shipping. But that's an awfully lot
> of
> > seed which is especially high in coumarins
> which
> > are very potent blood anticoagulants. Be
> careful!
>
> Yes, they are the highest source of coumestans,
> excellent for breast cancer. It's brother
> `alfalfa' is very high too.
>
> The price Americans pay for sprouting seeds makes
> me want to cry. We pay through the nose for
> everything in my country. Houses, utility bills,
> food etc.
>
> I've done 16 oz of red clover juice for months at
> a time. Never had a problem with it.

Yeah but if you consult people about sprouting then make sure you know that they are not taking blood thinners because that would be dangerous for them.

I think it would also be a good idea, and is important, for you to inform people in general who you are encouraging to take on a sprout based diet of counter indications of taking vast quantities of various types of sprouts for certain individuals.

You have no idea of the level of knowledge of the unseen lurking internet individuals who decide to follow you into a sproutarian lifestyle have and there are an awfully lot of people on drugs these days which has to be taken into consideration when advising. It's a fine line so learn to walk it well or people could get hurt and you could get in trouble.



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