Fresh, I personally cannot eat cooked food in any form, it may be a disastrous thing, I do to do my health, I might get sick very badly.

PL--" Anon101/102 is just a fake troll account used to stimulate arguements, any person with a brain can see that. Probably why he was banned by Prana last time."



You hurt my feelings there, Bro.

fresh Wrote:
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> just a or b.

I thought my response did answer it but if not then.

A. Yes.

if that person only had 1 cooked meal over the 30 year period then yes i would agree it wasn't influential enough to change anything and that the persons raw vegan diet was supporting them.

But that is just a hypothetical scenario, ive yet to come across such example. The majority of these people are eating cooked and animal foods much more frequently, whilst claiming to be 100% raw vegan.

If they were eating meat once a week or even just a couple of times a month i would say that was a pretty big factor in balancing their diet off. These people would be topping up the likes of vitamin B12, zinc, taurine and other hard to get animal based nutrients. It fast becomes just a high plant based diet.

Which is the case with most of these people i find, ive yet to come across many 100% strict raw vegans for any considerable length of time that are honest. The majority of these raw vegan personalities like durianrider, freelea, swazye, chris randell etc couldn't even make it a year or two + being 100% raw 80/10/10. I commend them for trying because its no easy or healthy feat to eat in such way.

Does that not resonate with yourself at all considering these people were also the biggest advocates of the diet ? They are no different from yourself because you admit to eating a "little cooked foods or meat" also.

Can you explain how much a "little amount" is and why you are eating these foods if you believe in the raw vegan diet as strongly as you make out on the forum ?



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > just a or b.
>
> I thought my response did answer it but if not
> then.
>
> A. Yes.
>
> if that person only had 1 cooked meal over the 30
> year period then yes i would agree it wasn't
> influential enough to change anything and that the
> persons raw vegan diet was supporting them.
>
> But that is just a hypothetical scenario, ive yet
> to come across such example. The majority of these
> people are eating cooked and animal foods much
> more frequently, whilst claiming to be 100% raw
> vegan.
>
> If they were eating meat once a week or even just
> a couple of times a month i would say that was a
> pretty big factor in balancing their diet off.
> These people would be topping up the likes of
> vitamin B12, zinc, taurine and other hard to get
> animal based nutrients. It fast becomes just a
> high plant based diet.
>
> Which is the case with most of these people i
> find, ive yet to come across many 100% strict raw
> vegans for any considerable length of time that
> are honest. The majority of these raw vegan
> personalities like durianrider, freelea, swazye,
> chris randell etc couldn't even make it a year or
> two + being 100% raw 80/10/10. I commend them for
> trying because its no easy or healthy feat to eat
> in such way.
>
> Does that not resonate with yourself at all
> considering these people were also the biggest
> advocates of the diet ? They are no different from
> yourself because you admit to eating a "little
> cooked foods or meat" also.
>
> Can you explain how much a "little amount" is and
> why you are eating these foods if you believe in
> the raw vegan diet as strongly as you make out on
> the forum ?


Matt Monarch, David Wolfe, Fullyraw Kristina, Thor Bazler

<<<Matt Monarch, David Wolfe, Fullyraw Kristina, Thor Bazler>>>

It doesn't matter how many people PROVE that a Raw Vegan Diet is sustainable by example because PL will just say that they are the exception.

The point here is that PL is using this to Divert our Attention from him to me or to anyone or anything else as long as it's NOT PL.

So let's bring this thread back to the OP and let's watch PL squirm his way out of it again!!!

<<<The Conductivity Diet - dangerous? What say you?>>>

John Rose Wrote:
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> The point here is that PL is using this to Divert
> our Attention from him to me or to anyone or
> anything else as long as it's NOT PL.
>
> So let's bring this thread back to the OP and
> let's watch PL squirm his way out of it again!!!
>
> <<>>

Hahahah coming from the guy who is continually using every tactic in the book to evade answering my question of whether you will accept my offer of taking a polygraph test to prove if you really are 100% raw vegan for 24 years or not ?

What big copy and paste are you going to use this time to evade answering.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2014 09:07PM by powerlifter.

I knew you would try to squirm out of it again!!!

I already addressed your challenge!!!

START A NEW THREAD SO THAT YOU CAN STOP USING IT AS A DISTRACTION ON THIS THREAD!!!

The fact that you have NOT STARTED A NEW THREAD Proves that you are using this as a DISTRACTION!!!

Once again, let's bring this thread back to the OP…

<<<The Conductivity Diet - dangerous? What say you?>>>

powerlifter finally answers my question. amazing.

>if that person only had 1 cooked meal over the 30 year period then yes i would agree it wasn't influential enough to change anything and that the persons raw vegan diet was supporting them.

>But that is just a hypothetical scenario, ive yet to come across such example. The majority of these people are eating cooked and animal foods much more frequently, whilst claiming to be 100% raw vegan.

Now here is my point before I respond to the rest of your post.

Since you finally just made an intelligent choice with your answer A, I ask you then, what does that mean? Perhaps it means that YOU should think about the fact that others do not need to be 100% to prove something about a diet. Where do you draw that line? Hard to say isn't it?
One meal in 30 years, 5, 10, 20, 30? You've just admitted 100% is not necessary.
I will leave it at that.

>These people would be topping up the likes of vitamin B12, zinc, taurine and other hard to get animal based nutrients. It fast becomes just a high plant based diet.

false. I get zinc from plants. I don't need taurine exogenously.
Nevertheless you are not swayed by facts, so you will keep spewing that falsehood.

>Can you explain how much a "little amount" is and why you are eating these foods if you believe in the raw vegan diet as strongly as you make out on the forum ?

with regards to the Why, There are a lot of reasons why that aren't worth getting into.
And what I personally have done HAS NOTHING to do with my view that all raw is best.
In fact, my journey REINFORCES that view due to my experiences.
But you can go on and on about YOUR VIEW that you think that I am unable to extoll the virtues of raw foods because I have eaten some morsels of cooked food over the past 30 years.
You would think that I am berating people for not being all raw. I am not. You are the one who is doing that.
What I do is respond to statements that people make that I think are not justified, like your constant 811 is no good, vegan is no good, etc.
I posted my diet for a month. take a look at it and let me know if you want to make any judgments or comments about it. And you don't need to make any excuses that you can't post yours because of board rules - the board rules are about promoting animal products, not listing them.

What I have said is that over 30 years I was not all raw nor all vegan yet very close to that.

What YOU DO is claim that people are lying who say that they are all raw. Maybe some are, maybe not.

And at the SAME TIME you criticize me who states that I have NOT been ALL raw, merely 99%.

So look at that, you actually criticize everyone, don't you?

Nobody can make you happy? Liars and Non liars, both?

fresh Wrote:
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> with regards to the Why, There are a lot of
> reasons why that aren't worth getting into.

Lol, how convient of you to not go into the reasons why you eat a "little bit of cooked and animal foods"

Could it be deep down under your fake shirade that you eat these foods for the same reasons i do.

So what are these lot of reasons you eat these foods ? At the end of the day your eating these foods for some reason whether it be nourishment or because you enjoy the taste, so what is it ?

This place never ceases to crack me up, also i wasn't getting at you for not being 100% raw, im no zealot like some around here. That would be quite ironic and laughable considering my view on these strict raw vegan diets.

What i was getting at, was people who imply or claim that they are 100% raw vegan but are eating cooked and animal foods at the same time. Which effectively makes them a liar, in your case to be fair i will take that you don't go around preaching that you are 100% raw vegan, but with how little tolerance you have for others eating cooked foods or different diets you give the impression that you are 100% strict all or nothing mentality, people have nipped you up about this in the past when they found out that you were eating cooked and animal foods, whilst giving the impression that you were raw vegan.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2014 11:16PM by powerlifter.

I see that any comments about the main part of my post are uncomfortable for you.....


>but with how little tolerance you have for others eating cooked foods

FALSE

> or different diets

FALSE

> you give the impression that you are 100% strict all or nothing mentality

FALSE

You really need to keep fighting here, powerlifter?

What you could do regarding your incredible need to know why I have been not all raw for 30 years, instead of presuming anything about me, is to simply ask a question and I will answer it. If you are unable to trust that I will give a truthful answer then don't ask.

like for example, you could be an adult and say, was it because of this, or this or this, instead of this incessant need by you to make your assumptive remarks.

Fresh, just curious where do you consistently get enough zinc?

fresh Wrote:
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> like for example, you could be an adult and say,
> was it because of this, or this or this, instead
> of this incessant need by you to make your
> assumptive remarks.

I asked you nicely the first time what your reasons were for eating cooked and animal foods, when you feel so strongly about anyone else like myself who isn't raw vegan anymore.

You evaded by saying you didn't want to go into the lot of reasons why you eat these foods.

This is why i had to assume that it was for the same reasons i do, i.e for the nutrients which are hard to get elsewhere on a vegan diet.

Your angry at me for eating these foods, but you also eat them hahahah ahh i give up.



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powerlifter Wrote:
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> I asked you nicely the first time what your
> reasons were for eating cooked and animal foods,
> when you feel so strongly about anyone else like
> myself who isn't raw vegan.

Do you actually distort and misinterpret EVERYTHING?
you must be a nightmare to live with.
you have a girlfriend?

You think I care that you are not raw vegan? give me a break.

what I do care about is sharing some things and questioning some things. what you may be referring to may be my comments regarding
your support of this lifestyle and constant criticisms of many of the
dietary variations.


> This is why i had to assume that it was for the
> same reasons i do, i.e for the nutrients which are
> hard to get elsewhere on a vegan diet.

I have had thoughts
like that that may have impacted my decisions,
since I have not forever and all times been 100% sure
that what I am doing is the right thing, including now.

But mostly for other reasons.



>
> Your angry at me for eating these foods, but you
> also eat them hahahah ahh i give up.


no I am not. maybe you misinterpret questions
as making you feel guilty about what you eat.
I don't care if you eat rocks.

Pl the Squirmer hee hee!

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Fresh, just curious where do you consistently get
> enough zinc?


I don't know how it's possible to know that based on uncertain needs and food variations.

I know that I have had tests (I know they're blood tests and useless apparently to some people)
and I have used nutrient resources and compared to human needs.
and I think zinc recommendations are one of the exaggerated ones.
and I am always conscious of any symptoms.
but all nutrients have been within reasonable values the many times I have checked based on cronometer or usda or others.
I know that other people eat foods HIGH in this or that but I feel this directs people to inferior food choices, and yet I understand the desire to do so.

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fresh, just curious where do you consistently
> get
> > enough zinc?
>
>
> I don't know how it's possible to know that based
> on uncertain needs and food variations.
>
> I know that I have had tests (I know they're blood
> tests and useless apparently to some people)
> and I have used nutrient resources and compared to
> human needs.
> and I think zinc recommendations are one of the
> exaggerated ones.
> and I am always conscious of any symptoms.
> but all nutrients have been within reasonable
> values the many times I have checked based on
> cronometer or usda or others.
> I know that other people eat foods HIGH in this or
> that but I feel this directs people to inferior
> food choices, and yet I understand the desire to
> do so.


Let's see the blood tests, then. What do you mean you don't know how it would be possible to know where you are getting zinc from? It's a pretty straight-forward question.

Reported zinc amts are average, like anything else,ur not sampling the actual food u eat, right?

and I just answered u in another post ..I did not think to save my test results

fresh Wrote:
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> Reported zinc amts are average, like anything
> else,ur not sampling the actual food u eat,
> right?
>
> and I just answered u in another post ..I did not
> think to save my test results


Yes, they are average. Okay, I'll rephrase the question.. based upon average zinc contents, where do you consistently get enough zinc on a daily basis?

Everything I eat has zinc from what I can tell based on cron which is based on usda and I have no symptoms of deficiency. Why?



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fresh Wrote:
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> Everything I eat has zinc from what I can tell
> based on cron which is based on usda and I have no
> symptoms of deficiency. Why?


Curiosity. Like what, give some examples.

Dont u remember this thread, the one where the critics, you and pl, shared nothing?

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]

fresh Wrote:
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> Dont u remember this thread, the one where the
> critics, you and pl, shared nothing?
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]


So dates and bananas would be your main sources of zinc?

Diet varies over the season.

sometimes no dates.
sometimes no bananas.
sometimes other things.

main sources of zinc is everything I eat.

fresh Wrote:
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> Diet varies over the season.
>
> sometimes no dates.
> sometimes no bananas.
> sometimes other things.
>
> main sources of zinc is everything I eat.


From the thread you posted, almost nothing had sufficient quantities of zinc except dates (which is a stretch), which you'd need to eat about 100 in order for the RDA. Only problem is you'd also get several hundred grams of fructose.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2014 02:53AM by jtprindl.

I wonder if it is true that David W and Doug have been seen eating chicken and like to have it regularly?? Is it true that Fred P's ex wife busted him about his secret chicken eating habit too? Also, has Doug been caught eating chocolate chip cookies, and when he is approached he gets all funny about it? I find the concept so funny...eating various foods in secret, but it does appear to happen often.

I had a good laugh when l read Tom Billings article about a certain well known raw fooder who had just finished a lecture about the importance of being 100% raw and claiming he was 100% for 20 years, and 30 minutes after the lecture he was apparently seen eating cooked food in a restuarant a few street blocks away, and when he saw someone he knew he put up a newspaper to cover his face. These stories would make a good comedy. Then there were the old stories of T.C.Fry that used to hide in closets and cracking and crunching sounds could be heard from opening packets of whatever.

Do raw fooders get cravings, or just enjoy eating certain sweets or animal products as a treat? If cravings are happening, l don't think that is a good sign. Many raw fooders report hunger and cravings. Wouldn't their taste buds be hoaned towards plant foods and they wouldn't desire fatty animals foods, and wouldn't it make them sick?

David Jubb's ex wife promoted their dubious `livsmat' diet and she reports she craved and had dreams about eggs for 3 years until she eventually caved in and started eating them. If you had been raw for so long the thought should make you feel sick, but l think deficient people or poorly balanced blood sugar must be a cause of this. I think the high mineral content green foods are very very important to keep you on the straight and narrow. It must take immense discipline to maintain a N.H diet. Do you natural hygienists get cravings, and is it easy to get hungry at various time throughout the day?

I like how David Jubb does his own thing. He doesn't care if people see him drinking coffee with sugar, smoking or even [rumour has it that he even admits] smoking the dreaded bong. Raw fooders are a funny old bunch, they make me laugh and laugh when l hear and read these things.

I also was surprised when FreeL admitted going back to meat a few years back (not enough carbs in her opinion), but it's good that she came out about it, same goes for the rider.

All people can do is be the best person they can and eat as well as they can.

Today's lunch = chlorella (green algae), kelp, fermented raw walnut/almond paste (local nuts). Never had time for chia grass and fenugreek sprout juice this morning.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2014 02:55AM by The Sproutarian Man.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> I haven't seen a lot of John Kohler's videos but
> one of them I did see was him showing all of the
> SPROUTS he was growing at his house.


yes and have you seen videos of his EVIL farmers markets shopping sprees?

TSM needs to talk to john kohler about his dubious, nightmare food choices.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Diet varies over the season.
> >
> > sometimes no dates.
> > sometimes no bananas.
> > sometimes other things.
> >
> > main sources of zinc is everything I eat.
>
>
> From the thread you posted, almost nothing had
> sufficient quantities of zinc except dates, which
> you'd need to eat about 100 in order for the RDA.
> Only problem is you'd also get several hundred
> grams of fructose.

and you are incorrect.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> I wonder if it is true that David W and Doug have
> been seen eating chicken and like to have it
> regularly?? Is it true that Fred P's ex wife
> busted him about his secret chicken eating habit
> too? Also, has Doug been caught eating chocolate
> chip cookies, and when he is approached he gets
> all funny about it? I find the concept so
> funny...eating various foods in secret, but it
> does appear to happen often.
>
> I had a good laugh when l read Tom Billings
> article about a certain well known raw fooder who
> had just finished a lecture about the importance
> of being 100% raw and claiming he was 100% for 20
> years, and 30 minutes after the lecture he was
> apparently seen eating cooked food in a restuarant
> a few street blocks away, and when he saw someone
> he knew he put up a newspaper to cover his face.
> These stories would make a good comedy. Then there
> were the old stories of T.C.Fry that used to hide
> in closets and cracking and crunching sounds could
> be heard from opening packets of whatever.
>
> Do raw fooders get cravings, or just enjoy eating
> certain sweets or animal products as a treat? If
> cravings are happening, l don't think that is a
> good sign. Many raw fooders report hunger and
> cravings. Wouldn't their taste buds be hoaned
> towards plant foods and they wouldn't desire fatty
> animals foods, and wouldn't it make them sick?
>
> David Jubb's ex wife promoted their dubious
> `livsmat' diet and she reports she craved and had
> dreams about eggs for 3 years until she eventually
> caved in and started eating them. If you had been
> raw for so long the thought should make you feel
> sick, but l think deficient people or poorly
> balanced blood sugar must be a cause of this. I
> think the high mineral content green foods are
> very very important to keep you on the straight
> and narrow. It must take immense discipline to
> maintain a N.H diet. Do you natural hygienists get
> cravings, and is it easy to get hungry at various
> time throughout the day?
>
> I like how David Jubb does his own thing. He
> doesn't care if people see him drinking coffee
> with sugar, smoking or even smoking the dreaded
> bong. Raw fooders are a funny old bunch, they make
> me laugh and laugh when l hear and read these
> things.
>
> I also was surprised when FreeL admitted going
> back to meat a few years back (not enough carbs in
> her opinion), but it's good that she came out
> about it, same goes for the rider.
>
> All people can do is be the best person they can
> and eat as well as they can.
>
> Today's lunch = chlorella (green algae), kelp,
> fermented raw walnut/almond paste (local nuts).
> Never had time for chia grass and fenugreek sprout
> juice this morning.


I had about 8 oz. sunflower green juice, 4 oz. wheatgrass juice, and 5 grams of chlorella for lunch

Where did you hear about all these stories about raw foodists, like David Wolfe eating chicken and Douglas Graham eating chocolate chip cookies? Who's the raw foodist who hid his face behind newspaper?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2014 02:59AM by jtprindl.

> I
> think the high mineral content green foods are
> very very important to keep you on the straight
> and narrow.

correct, which is what most people do besides anne osborne



It must take immense discipline to
> maintain a N.H diet. Do you natural hygienists get
> cravings, and is it easy to get hungry at various
> time throughout the day?

you still have not defined NH diet.

when I got clean and ate right, hunger decreased and it became easy.

could go all day or days on water.

fresh Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fresh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Diet varies over the season.
> > >
> > > sometimes no dates.
> > > sometimes no bananas.
> > > sometimes other things.
> > >
> > > main sources of zinc is everything I eat.
> >
> >
> > From the thread you posted, almost nothing had
> > sufficient quantities of zinc except dates,
> which
> > you'd need to eat about 100 in order for the
> RDA.
> > Only problem is you'd also get several hundred
> > grams of fructose.
>
> and you are incorrect.


Prove me wrong.

By the way I wish I lived somewhere where I could get wild tangerines, those are probably amazing



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