fresh Wrote:
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> I agree for the most part. regarding HHI, imo,
> the treatments (enemas,etc), expensive
> supplements, healing powers attributed to
> wheatgrass,etc, are misguided and hucksterism. but
> they are required to create the mystique, and
> predictable.


"It's something I don't do or want to do so it's misguided and hucksterism"

U wuz robbed!

. Sometimes healing is masking of symptoms
. Sometimes something solves a problem and we attribute it to something else
. Sometimes we think something is wrong but its a transitional thing

I wonder who these "top echelon raw gurus" are supposed to be. Perhaps it D.R and Doug.

Wow, l even laughed at my own joke.

fresh Wrote:
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> U wuz robbed!
>
> . Sometimes healing is masking of symptoms
> . Sometimes something solves a problem and we
> attribute it to something else
> . Sometimes we think something is wrong but its a
> transitional thing

And sometimes we listen to BS of that sort instead of going by what we see in the mirror and sustain even further glycation damage.

U was robbed if you thing hybridized bananas are good natural food and if you bought, or bought into that 811 book.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 02:37AM by SueZ.

final response, no more back and forth here...

>And sometimes we listen to BS of that sort instead of going by what we see in the mirror and sustain even further glycation damage.


of course you do what you want, but many other solutions other than 70% fat.



>U was robbed if you thing hybridized bananas are good natural food and if you bought, or bought into that 811 book.

oh, not not the hybrid thing....yawn

I remember l was away on holidays with some friends and l foolishly decided to eat some bananas (unusual for me). My sproutarian friend said to me "what are you thinking, why would you eat such a dubious food?". An hour later l agreed and admitted it was a very silly thing to have done. Bananas always bring regrets for me because that food takes 4 hours to digest, and l always end up thinking about the much better choices l could have made. Bananas always chew me up and spit me out...they give very little but take very much.

Fortunately l have given away store bought fruit (watermelon excepted) and never have any intenstions of going back to it. Life without fruit is much better.

Funny enough, my banana tree has grown fruit for the first time ever because it has been extremely hot this summer. And yes, l will be eating those dubious but fresh bananas because it will be interesting to find out what a real banana actually tastes like.

And when me and a fellow sproutarian go to the occasional farmer's market and we see people buying the fruits and vegetables we always say to each other "look at the rubbish people are buying, incredible".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 03:10AM by The Sproutarian Man.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > U wuz robbed!
> >
> > . Sometimes healing is masking of symptoms
> > . Sometimes something solves a problem and we
> > attribute it to something else
> > . Sometimes we think something is wrong but its
> a
> > transitional thing
>
> And sometimes we listen to BS of that sort
> instead of going by what we see in the mirror and
> sustain even further glycation damage.
>
> U was robbed if you thing hybridized bananas
> are good natural food and if you bought, or bought
> into that 811 book.


Oh, fresh definitely bought 80/10/10 and he quotes the outdated drivel from it constantly. If it's not mentioned by Douglas Graham in 80/10/10, it's false. If it is mentioned, it's fact.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 03:10AM by jtprindl.

fresh Wrote:
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> of course you do what you want, but many other
> solutions other than 70% fat.

Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has left you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits without accelerating your aging exponentially. You've got to get that energy from somewhere and there are only two choices for those who want to stay raw. Until there is only one like for me. I thank God there is that other choice and that it works.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > of course you do what you want, but many other
> > solutions other than 70% fat.
>
> Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has left
> you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits
> without accelerating your aging exponentially.
> You've got to get that energy from somewhere and
> there are only two choices for those who want to
> stay raw. Until there is only one like for me. I
> thank God there is that other choice and that it
> works.


Hippocrates diet

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fresh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > of course you do what you want, but many
> other
> > > solutions other than 70% fat.
> >
> > Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has
> left
> > you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits
> > without accelerating your aging exponentially.
> > You've got to get that energy from somewhere
> and
> > there are only two choices for those who want
> to
> > stay raw. Until there is only one like for me.
> I
> > thank God there is that other choice and that
> it
> > works.
>
>
> Hippocrates diet

Here is a brilliant 6 part video from Dr Brian that is fairy recent. It's inspiring and motivating. It gets better and better as it goes along. He also mentions Dr Esselstyn like he often does in his lectures - Brian likes the big boys, and he often mentions Dr Hunt also.

[www.youtube.com] (first part)
[www.youtube.com] (second part etc)

Brian claims he got the idea that hybrid fruit is up 30 times sweeter from the `department of agritculture'.

His best ever recorded lecture was at Queens NY.

[www.youtube.com] (first of 8 parts)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 03:37AM by The Sproutarian Man.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Wow, l even laughed at my own joke.


Well someone had to. I guess.

>Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has left you pre diabetic

I would question that. could be item 3 above as i said. of course there's no interest on your part in entertaining that notion, so be it.

> so you can't eat many fruits without accelerating your aging exponentially.
You've got to get that energy from somewhere and there are only two choices for those who want to stay raw. Until there is only one like for me. I thank God there is that other choice and that it works.

there is a mix of fruit and veg that would likely work, but again you have not entertained that option.


>that food takes 4 hours to digest

a whole 4 hours? how horrible!

>, and l always end up thinking about the much better choices l could have made. Bananas always chew me up and spit me out...they give very little but take very much.

you are strange. and the bulk of your calories comes from what?


>Fortunately l have given away store bought fruit (watermelon excepted) and never have any intenstions of going back to it. Life without fruit is much better.

you should go shopping with me.

>dubious but fresh bananas

yes, dubious. that must be some kind of technical term.


>And when me and a fellow sproutarian go to the occasional farmer's market and we see people buying the fruits and vegetables we always say to each other "look at the rubbish people are buying, incredible".

you must live in a very unfortunate location.


>Oh, fresh definitely bought 80/10/10 and he quotes the outdated drivel from it constantly. If it's not mentioned by Douglas Graham in 80/10/10, it's false. If it is mentioned, it's fact.

um... oh, nevermind.


>Brian likes the big boys, and he often mentions Dr Hunt also.

oh my god, that is bizarre dude. the big boys?

yes the video is "fairy" recent indeed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 03:50AM by fresh.

fresh Wrote:
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> >Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has left you
> pre diabetic
>
> I would question that. could be item 3 above as i
> said. of course there's no interest on your part
> in entertaining that notion, so be it.
>
> > so you can't eat many fruits without
> accelerating your aging exponentially.
> You've got to get that energy from somewhere and
> there are only two choices for those who want to
> stay raw. Until there is only one like for me. I
> thank God there is that other choice and that it
> works.
>
> there is a mix of fruit and veg that would likely
> work, but again you have not entertained that
> option.
>
>
> >that food takes 4 hours to digest
>
> a whole 4 hours? how horrible!
>
> >, and l always end up thinking about the much
> better choices l could have made. Bananas always
> chew me up and spit me out...they give very little
> but take very much.
>
> you are strange. and the bulk of your calories
> comes from what?
>
>
> >Fortunately l have given away store bought fruit
> (watermelon excepted) and never have any
> intenstions of going back to it. Life without
> fruit is much better.
>
> you should go shopping with me.
>
> >dubious but fresh bananas
>
> yes, dubious. that must be some kind of technical
> term.
>
>
> >And when me and a fellow sproutarian go to the
> occasional farmer's market and we see people
> buying the fruits and vegetables we always say to
> each other "look at the rubbish people are buying,
> incredible".
>
> you must live in a very unfortunate location.
>
>
> >Oh, fresh definitely bought 80/10/10 and he
> quotes the outdated drivel from it constantly. If
> it's not mentioned by Douglas Graham in 80/10/10,
> it's false. If it is mentioned, it's fact.
>
> um... oh, nevermind.
>
>
> >Brian likes the big boys, and he often mentions
> Dr Hunt also.
>
> oh my god, that is bizarre dude. the big boys?
>
> yes the video is "fairy" recent indeed.


Apparently it doesn't matter to you that you make no distinction between people you are quoting and just put a whole jumble of unattributed quotes together in a post like that but it sucks and can't be followed except by you.

Who's going to wade through that mess of a post? Not me. Dude, you might want to consider getting an oil change. Seriously.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > fresh Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > of course you do what you want, but many
> > other
> > > > solutions other than 70% fat.
> > >
> > > Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has
> > left
> > > you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits
> > > without accelerating your aging
> exponentially.
> > > You've got to get that energy from somewhere
> > and
> > > there are only two choices for those who want
> > to
> > > stay raw. Until there is only one like for
> me.
> > I
> > > thank God there is that other choice and that
> > it
> > > works.
> >
> >
> > Hippocrates diet
>
> Here is a brilliant 6 part video from Dr Brian
> that is fairy recent. It's inspiring and
> motivating. It gets better and better as it goes
> along. He also mentions Dr Esselstyn like he often
> does in his lectures - Brian likes the big boys,
> and he often mentions Dr Hunt also.
>
> [www.youtube.com] (first
> part)
> [www.youtube.com] (second
> part etc)
>
> Brian claims he got the idea that hybrid fruit is
> up 30 times sweeter from the `department of
> agritculture'.
>
> His best ever recorded lecture was at Queens NY.
>
> [www.youtube.com] (first
> of 8 parts)


I actually just watched the Queens NY lecture yesterday and agree it was an amazing lecture, very in-depth and exciting information. He did seem a bit irritated and more 'aggressive' when answering questions than usual lol but nonetheless still amazing. I'm surprised he didn't let people know which five algaes he was taking, is he trying to keep it a secret or something?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 04:54AM by jtprindl.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SueZ Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > fresh Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > of course you do what you want, but many
> > > other
> > > > > solutions other than 70% fat.
> > > >
> > > > Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has
> > > left
> > > > you pre diabetic so you can't eat many
> fruits
> > > > without accelerating your aging
> > exponentially.
> > > > You've got to get that energy from
> somewhere
> > > and
> > > > there are only two choices for those who
> want
> > > to
> > > > stay raw. Until there is only one like for
> > me.
> > > I
> > > > thank God there is that other choice and
> that
> > > it
> > > > works.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hippocrates diet
> >
> > Here is a brilliant 6 part video from Dr Brian
> > that is fairy recent. It's inspiring and
> > motivating. It gets better and better as it
> goes
> > along. He also mentions Dr Esselstyn like he
> often
> > does in his lectures - Brian likes the big
> boys,
> > and he often mentions Dr Hunt also.
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
> (first
> > part)
> > [www.youtube.com]
> (second
> > part etc)
> >
> > Brian claims he got the idea that hybrid fruit
> is
> > up 30 times sweeter from the `department of
> > agritculture'.
> >
> > His best ever recorded lecture was at Queens NY.
>
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
> (first
> > of 8 parts)
>
>
> I actually just watched the Queens NY lecture
> yesterday and agree it was an amazing lecture,
> very in-depth and exciting information. He did
> seem a bit irritated and more 'aggressive' when
> answering questions than usual lol but nonetheless
> still amazing. I'm surprised he didn't let people
> know which five algaes he was taking, is he trying
> to keep it a secret or something?

l am glad you liked it. He was more arrogant and agressive than usual, but like you said, it was a great lecture.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> the arrogance and agressiveness is one thing that
> def. turns me off about him.

It turns many people off Storm. No-one is perfect, and at least he is doing really great work. The raw movement wouldn't be near what it is without him.

If you want to hear something shocking, here is what the brilliant Dr Esselstyn says regarding dangerous foods that damage the endophilia cells, injure your HDL cholesterol levels and injure your regenerative endophilia cells which contribute to heart disease:

* any oils added to diet
* meat
* dairy
* coffee
* orange juice/apple juice/agave juice/honey/maple syrip because of the fructose (a toxin). That's why fruit smoothies are killers and many of the raw food leaders are sending you to an early grave. The leading cause of non alcoholic liver disease is fructose.



(see from 41:00 - 43:00).
[www.youtube.com]

He also says the average American has cardio vascular disease damage by the age of 17, but symptoms are not immediately recognised until decades later.

From 43 minutes on he goes on more about oils.


I wouldn't believe it if other people were saying this stuff, but when Dr Esselstyn says stuff you sit up and take good notice. He reads the studies, has the top contacts and has over 100 research papers to his name.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 09:13AM by The Sproutarian Man.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Hm, I wonder if it's true, what that woman said
> about the Tavis Bradley diet... that salt is
> necessary to be added to water so it can be
> retained?
>
> I notice my 'movments' are pretty much stagnant
> always until I push it through with some distilled
> water.
>
> Maybe all I need is hydration which isn't being
> retained because i dont get enough salt with
> water?
>
> How much salt is it, says a piece/crystal. I
> wonder what that is.
>
> Also I believe Himalayan Crystal Salt shd be the
> authentic kind not the fake kind.
>
> Edit: or maybe I already get enough if not too
> much salt (from seaweed), and drinking distilled
> water helps to leech some of the salt out along
> with the stagnant food material?
>
> I just know.. no matter what nowadas Im so
> stagnant and only pushing it down with distilled
> water helps (of course best is probably after the
> digesting period time is over).

Adding good salt to water is supposed to have benefits during the short term according to Dr Wilson, but in the long term it might contribute to problems.

To me the seaweeds are enough. Use the distilled to clean out and build up any leached minerals with green juices, sprouted seeds, algaes and sea weeds.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 10:00AM by The Sproutarian Man.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> but if you're washing out the salt from the
> seaweed you're not getting much salt right?
>
>

Avoid drinking too much distilled water too fast to avoid washing out electrolites. Calcium from the bones seems to be the main concern. Later replace any lost minerals with seaweeds and green juices, and top up calcium supplies with regular sprouted sesame, chia or poppy. You can replace more minerals than will be leached because distilled is only a slow leacher.

The people that seem to suffer from mineral loss from distilled water are those with inadequate diets that don't offer a full spectrum of nutrition. If you are on a natural hygiene diet l would image it could be disasterous.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 10:25AM by The Sproutarian Man.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > fresh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > of course you do what you want, but many
> other
> > > solutions other than 70% fat.
> >
> > Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has
> left
> > you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits
> > without accelerating your aging exponentially.
> > You've got to get that energy from somewhere
> and
> > there are only two choices for those who want
> to
> > stay raw. Until there is only one like for me.
> I
> > thank God there is that other choice and that
> it
> > works.
>
>
> Hippocrates diet

I can see doing that diet if your digestive system is failing really badly and if you can stand the taste of all the fermented stuff on it, (which I never could - it was way too much like eating and drinking vomit to me), but if you digestive system is working why would you need most of your food predigested?

I am in the process of going through the youtube videos posted on this thread mainly to see what's new since the last time I read up on that diet in the 1980's. One observation though is bugging me. If the speaker is only in his 60s and has been on a "good" diet for so long why is his posture so bad?
That sort of thing really sticks out to me because on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the energy almost forces me to have better posture and so it has much improved.

What is the Conductivity diet in one line or two?
Or
What is it not?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2014 03:32PM by RawPracticalist.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > fresh Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > of course you do what you want, but many
> > other
> > > > solutions other than 70% fat.
> > >
> > > Not if you want to stay raw and hclf has
> > left
> > > you pre diabetic so you can't eat many fruits
> > > without accelerating your aging
> exponentially.
> > > You've got to get that energy from somewhere
> > and
> > > there are only two choices for those who want
> > to
> > > stay raw. Until there is only one like for
> me.
> > I
> > > thank God there is that other choice and that
> > it
> > > works.
> >
> >
> > Hippocrates diet
>
> I can see doing that diet if your digestive
> system is failing really badly and if you can
> stand the taste of all the fermented stuff on it,
> (which I never could - it was way too much like
> eating and drinking vomit to me), but if you
> digestive system is working why would you need
> most of your food predigested?
>
> I am in the process of going through the youtube
> videos posted on this thread mainly to see what's
> new since the last time I read up on that diet in
> the 1980's. One observation though is bugging me.
> If the speaker is only in his 60s and has been on
> a "good" diet for so long why is his posture so
> bad?
> That sort of thing really sticks out to me because
> on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the energy
> almost forces me to have better posture and so it
> has much improved.


The Hippocrates diet heals and regenerates almost every single type of health issue, along with a positive mindset. You don't need to have poor digestion to drink sprout and grass juices, sprout salads, algaes, sea vegetables, nuts and seeds. The diet is optimal for both people who are really sick and people who are thriving.

jtprindl Wrote:
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( ...)


> > I can see doing that diet if your digestive
> > system is failing really badly and if you can
> > stand the taste of all the fermented stuff on
> it,
> > (which I never could - it was way too much like
> > eating and drinking vomit to me), but if you
> > digestive system is working why would you need
> > most of your food predigested?
> >
> > I am in the process of going through the
> youtube
> > videos posted on this thread mainly to see
> what's
> > new since the last time I read up on that diet
> in
> > the 1980's. One observation though is bugging
> me.
> > If the speaker is only in his 60s and has been
> on
> > a "good" diet for so long why is his posture so
> > bad?
> > That sort of thing really sticks out to me
> because
> > on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the
> energy
> > almost forces me to have better posture and so
> it
> > has much improved.




> The Hippocrates diet heals and regenerates almost
> every single type of health issue, along with a
> positive mindset. You don't need to have poor
> digestion to drink sprout and grass juices, sprout
> salads, algaes, sea vegetables, nuts and seeds.
> The diet is optimal for both people who are really
> sick and people who are thriving.


Why is the speaker's posture so bad if his diet is so good?! He's folding up like a SAD diet man in his 70's would even though he says he exercises and that he's in his 60's.

I eat lots of algae and other seaweeds, grasses, sprouts, nuts, seeds, and greens. My objection is to the predigested fermented things which make up the main source of calories and that taste and smell like vomit to me.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> ( ...)
>
>
> > > I can see doing that diet if your digestive
> > > system is failing really badly and if you can
> > > stand the taste of all the fermented stuff on
> > it,
> > > (which I never could - it was way too much
> like
> > > eating and drinking vomit to me), but if you
> > > digestive system is working why would you
> need
> > > most of your food predigested?
> > >
> > > I am in the process of going through the
> > youtube
> > > videos posted on this thread mainly to see
> > what's
> > > new since the last time I read up on that
> diet
> > in
> > > the 1980's. One observation though is bugging
> > me.
> > > If the speaker is only in his 60s and has
> been
> > on
> > > a "good" diet for so long why is his posture
> so
> > > bad?
> > > That sort of thing really sticks out to me
> > because
> > > on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the
> > energy
> > > almost forces me to have better posture and
> so
> > it
> > > has much improved.
>
>
>
>
> > The Hippocrates diet heals and regenerates
> almost
> > every single type of health issue, along with a
> > positive mindset. You don't need to have poor
> > digestion to drink sprout and grass juices,
> sprout
> > salads, algaes, sea vegetables, nuts and seeds.
> > The diet is optimal for both people who are
> really
> > sick and people who are thriving.
>
>
> Why is the speaker's posture so bad if his
> diet is so good?! He's folding up like a SAD diet
> man in his 70's would even though he says he
> exercises and that he's in his 60's.
>
> I eat lots of algae and other seaweeds,
> grasses, sprouts, nuts, seeds, and greens. My
> objection is to the predigested fermented things
> which make up the main source of calories and that
> taste and smell like vomit to me.


Lol for one, it's not. And two, even if we were to make believe it was, talking about someone's posture is about as insignificant and petty as it gets. What are you talking about the 'predigested fermented' things? It's green juices in the form of grasses and sprouts, sprouts, algae's, sea vegetables, nuts, seeds, and a little bit of fruit.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jtprindl Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > ( ...)
> >
> >
> > > > I can see doing that diet if your
> digestive
> > > > system is failing really badly and if you
> can
> > > > stand the taste of all the fermented stuff
> on
> > > it,
> > > > (which I never could - it was way too much
> > like
> > > > eating and drinking vomit to me), but if
> you
> > > > digestive system is working why would you
> > need
> > > > most of your food predigested?
> > > >
> > > > I am in the process of going through the
> > > youtube
> > > > videos posted on this thread mainly to see
> > > what's
> > > > new since the last time I read up on that
> > diet
> > > in
> > > > the 1980's. One observation though is
> bugging
> > > me.
> > > > If the speaker is only in his 60s and has
> > been
> > > on
> > > > a "good" diet for so long why is his
> posture
> > so
> > > > bad?
> > > > That sort of thing really sticks out to me
> > > because
> > > > on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the
> > > energy
> > > > almost forces me to have better posture and
> > so
> > > it
> > > > has much improved.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The Hippocrates diet heals and regenerates
> > almost
> > > every single type of health issue, along with
> a
> > > positive mindset. You don't need to have poor
> > > digestion to drink sprout and grass juices,
> > sprout
> > > salads, algaes, sea vegetables, nuts and
> seeds.
> > > The diet is optimal for both people who are
> > really
> > > sick and people who are thriving.
> >
> >
> > Why is the speaker's posture so bad if his
> > diet is so good?! He's folding up like a SAD
> diet
> > man in his 70's would even though he says he
> > exercises and that he's in his 60's.
> >
> > I eat lots of algae and other seaweeds,
> > grasses, sprouts, nuts, seeds, and greens. My
> > objection is to the predigested fermented
> things
> > which make up the main source of calories and
> that
> > taste and smell like vomit to me.
>
>
> Lol for one, it's not. And two, even if we were to
> make believe it was, talking about someone's
> posture is about as insignificant and petty as it
> gets. What are you talking about the 'predigested
> fermented' things? It's green juices in the form
> of grasses and sprouts, sprouts, algae's, sea
> vegetables, nuts, seeds, and a little bit of
> fruit.

Actually posture is very important and telling both spiritually and physically. To see a guru in his 60's already frozen into wilting is not good at all. His appearance, IMO, couldn't be described as younger than his age or good - much better than the old high carb guys but still not good.

These are the foods I have a problem with and without which it would be impossible for me to get enough calories from that diet...

The awful Rejuvalac, fermented seeds and nut sauces, grain crisps, sprouted grain breads, cereals, etc., in that vein.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
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> > SueZ Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > jtprindl Wrote:
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > > -----
> > > ( ...)
> > >
> > >
> > > > > I can see doing that diet if your
> > digestive
> > > > > system is failing really badly and if you
> > can
> > > > > stand the taste of all the fermented
> stuff
> > on
> > > > it,
> > > > > (which I never could - it was way too
> much
> > > like
> > > > > eating and drinking vomit to me), but if
> > you
> > > > > digestive system is working why would you
> > > need
> > > > > most of your food predigested?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am in the process of going through
> the
> > > > youtube
> > > > > videos posted on this thread mainly to
> see
> > > > what's
> > > > > new since the last time I read up on that
> > > diet
> > > > in
> > > > > the 1980's. One observation though is
> > bugging
> > > > me.
> > > > > If the speaker is only in his 60s and has
> > > been
> > > > on
> > > > > a "good" diet for so long why is his
> > posture
> > > so
> > > > > bad?
> > > > > That sort of thing really sticks out to
> me
> > > > because
> > > > > on the Conductivity Diet I've noticed the
> > > > energy
> > > > > almost forces me to have better posture
> and
> > > so
> > > > it
> > > > > has much improved.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Hippocrates diet heals and regenerates
> > > almost
> > > > every single type of health issue, along
> with
> > a
> > > > positive mindset. You don't need to have
> poor
> > > > digestion to drink sprout and grass juices,
> > > sprout
> > > > salads, algaes, sea vegetables, nuts and
> > seeds.
> > > > The diet is optimal for both people who are
> > > really
> > > > sick and people who are thriving.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why is the speaker's posture so bad if
> his
> > > diet is so good?! He's folding up like a SAD
> > diet
> > > man in his 70's would even though he says he
> > > exercises and that he's in his 60's.
> > >
> > > I eat lots of algae and other seaweeds,
> > > grasses, sprouts, nuts, seeds, and greens. My
> > > objection is to the predigested fermented
> > things
> > > which make up the main source of calories and
> > that
> > > taste and smell like vomit to me.
> >
> >
> > Lol for one, it's not. And two, even if we were
> to
> > make believe it was, talking about someone's
> > posture is about as insignificant and petty as
> it
> > gets. What are you talking about the
> 'predigested
> > fermented' things? It's green juices in the
> form
> > of grasses and sprouts, sprouts, algae's, sea
> > vegetables, nuts, seeds, and a little bit of
> > fruit.
>
> Actually posture is very important and telling
> both spiritually and physically. To see a guru in
> his 60's already frozen into wilting is not good
> at all. His appearance, IMO, couldn't be described
> as younger than his age or good - much better than
> the old high carb guys but still not good.
>
> These are the foods I have a problem with and
> without which it would be impossible for me to get
> enough calories from that diet...
>
> The awful Rejuvalac, fermented seeds and nut
> sauces, grain crisps, sprouted grain breads,
> cereals, etc., in that vein.


He's not wilting at all, perhaps you're jealous that he's aging much slower than you are. None of the things you mentioned are necessary on the Hippocrates diet and grains are not apart of it. How would it be impossible for you to get enough calories on the diet when thousands of people are doing so?

powerlifter Wrote:
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> > Adding good salt to water is supposed to have
> > benefits during the short term according to Dr
> > Wilson, but in the long term it might
> contribute
> > to problems.
>
> Are you sure TSM ?
>
> From what ive read Dr Wilson is against adding
> salt to water, although recommends adding salt to
> food if needed.


DR Wilson recommends not adding salt to water over the long term, however he does say it is o.k only for the short term because it can alkalise the water. I tried to find his article that backs up the short term view but l don't want to spend too much time trying to locate it at the moment.

And eventhough alkaline ionized water is said to be very dangerous over the long term, Dr Clement says it is very good water to use with very sick patients during the short term because it puts more electrical charge in the body.



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> How would it be impossible for you to get enough
> calories on the diet when thousands of people are
> doing so?

Exactly right. The sproutarian diet is always going to be lower in calories, but people do make it work. You are never ever going to get above 2,000 calories. Even getting 1,800 calories takes major effort and will almost kill you because you need to eat far too much food. Getting between 1,300 – 1,400 is do-able.

First it is important to realise that not all calories are equal in people. Some people can do well on low calories and keep weight on where-as other people can't...everyone is different. Diet and the person’s condition comes into it.

I had tests by doctors because they had grave concerns over my health LOL. What they found was that my heart beat and pulse rate was much below normal, yet l was in perfect health. They couldn’t understand why l wasn’t dead because l defied any science they had ever seen LOL. This is one of the things which happens on a sproutarian diet, you are getting predigested highly nutritious highly oxygenated highly cheated enzymatised nutrient foods and the body doesn't need to work near as hard because everything is largely broken down, and when you add in digestive enzymes/probiotics this is even more so. A slower heart/pulse rate = longer life because your body doesn't need to spend as much time/energy in digestion etc. This saves calories. There are probably other factors involved like the old chinese pseudoscience of `chi' (electrical frequency) involved, and to me this is probably one of the main factors because it is an energy source where-as the calories theory is flawed and is not sound science that applies equally to all people.

And lets not forget that yogi man who was buried underground for 90 days and was able to sustain body weight by reducing his heart rate. I know that is an extreme example, but it shows us that slower heart rates do save calorie consumption and probably helps explain why some raw fooders can do well on low calorie diets. There is also Tonya Zavasta who lives on between 1,400 - 1,600 calories per day and thrives. See, people are all different.

Here is two interesting articles on calories:

Calorie Theory Deeply Flawed
[rawschool.com]

How to Handle Fruit, Fat and Calories in the Raw-Vegan Diet

go down to the part that talks calories
[www.evolvingwellness.com]



If l try eating 20 apricots my body is under noticable strain (it’s dubious food), but it never is with a sprout/algae/seaweed diet (everything flows perfect with no noticeable effort). This helps with low calories. The Hippocrates Institute would have to change their long term diet recommendations if the low calorie diet didn't work, but it does work if you do certain things. What do sproutarians need to do? They need to exercise smart and efficiently…they can’t go running marathons (we are too busy to spend time doing those type of things because we have sprout gardens to maintain and meditation to do lol), but what they do for cardio exercise is include weight training with cardio. For eg, they do fast light weight exercises for cardio and also do some more strenuous weights to keep body weight maintained. Without regular weight resistance exercises the body would lose too much weight. The high predigested proteins definitely help keep the weight on. I have more muscle on my arms than l ever did on a high calorie SAD diet, and l have far more energy on low calories. I do lots of lifting when attending to my garden each day (lifting sacks of seeds, pouring water into big filter containers, lots of bending picking up trays etc), so this all counts with weight resistance (it’s working/exercising smart). Sproutman does the same type of things. This means we can cut weight training time if we incorporate things in our daily gardening schedule. Now…sproutarians are not going to be cycling or running long distances because they need to do exercise that doesn’t use up large amounts of calories, but they do make good amounts of exercise work because 30 – 40 minutes exercise each day is very effective on a high nutrient high enzymatised predigested diet. A sproutarian doesn’t need to work much harder than that.

Here is a raw food body builder who went from skin and bones to putting on 50 pounds within 6 - 9 months on a sproutarian diet. Mark Handy.
[www.youtube.com]

So what do we eat to get calories? Sprouted seed pastes, occasional sprouted fermented nut pastes. Lots of sprouted legumes and some sprouted grains, + a big green juice to add an extra 100 calories.

People can go on and on all they want about calories, but there is more to it than what science understands. Hopefully people can broaden their outlook on calories after reading this because there are lots of factors that come into calorie utilization. To me, the calorie concept is a cheap Westernised understanding of energy, to me it’s really about electrical frequency as energy and utilization of this energy. I don’t like the word calories because it is too rigid a term.

99% of my diet is sprouts and the other 1% is seaweeds and algaes. I have no interest in fruit or vegetables because l feel these foods are a poor trade. During Feb l will eat watermelon.

How to gain weight on a raw food diet - Anna Maria Clement
[www.youtube.com]

She is not big, but she is not skin and bones either. She is very low calorie. Now if there was a problem living on a sprout diet in the long term that would mean everyone would be failing and HHI would have to change their position. People can go on about calories all they like and say low calories diets don’t work LOL, but this lifestyle does work. Calories is one big yawn…vegans are so calorie obsessed.

My sproutarian friend is on much lower calories than l am, l have spent weeks at a time with him and l know how he eats. Kulvinskas claims he has a friend who is on low calories of only eating wheatgrass juice and wheatsprouts for the last 60- years. People are doing it.

>There is also Tonya Zavasta who lives on between 1,400 - 1,600 calories per day and thrives. See, people are all different.


That is what she is SUPPOSED to eat at her size.

> He's not wilting at all, perhaps you're jealous
> that he's aging much slower than you are.

Not jealous at all. I'm not aging as badly as he is. He looks very low on chi.


None of
> the things you mentioned are necessary on the
> Hippocrates diet and grains are not apart of it.
> How would it be impossible for you to get enough
> calories on the diet when thousands of people are
> doing so?

They must be getting most of their calories from fruit then if they aren't getting it from grain products and fermented nuts and seeds. Doesn't matter how many people are on the diet.