Chia seeds are important to have regularly because they have very high amounts of polyunsaturated fats and low levels of monounsaturated fats.


Flax and walnuts also have good levels of poly and lower levels of mono. But sesame, sunflower and other nuts have high levels of mono and lower levels of poly. So basically the high omega 3 foods are high in the good poly fats. Still, there are issues with walnuts and flax so we need to have those less, same goes with nuts. So in effect chia seeds are a very good food on many levels...good omega 3's, high levels of poly fats (low mono fats), high calcium levels - these are just some important aspects of the food.


Why might monounsaturated fats not be so good?

Compared with dietary monounsaturated and saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat protects African green monkeys from coronary artery atherosclerosis

Rudel LL, Parks JS, Sawyer JK
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


Summery = Coronary artery atherosclerosis as measured by intimal area was less in the polyunsaturated fat compared with the saturated fat groups, was less in the animals fed polyunsaturated fat compared with the monounsaturated fat-fed animals, but did not differ between the monounsaturated and saturated fat groups. Cholesteryl ester, particularly cholesteryl oleate, accumulation in the coronary arteries was also similar between groups fed monounsaturated and saturated fat but was minimal in the animals fed polyunsaturated fat.

In sum, the monkeys fed monounsaturated fat developed equivalent amounts of coronary artery atherosclerosis as those fed saturated fat, but monkeys fed polyunsaturated fat developed less. The beneficial effects of the lower LDL and higher HDL in the animals fed monounsaturated fat apparently were offset by the atherogenic shifts in LDL particle composition. Dietary polyunsaturated fat appears to result in the least amount of coronary artery atherosclerosis because it prevents cholesteryl oleate accumulation in LDL and the coronary arteries in these primates



Now, this is only a basic study and other factors can come into play, but it is something to be aware of.



Also this (tricky to read):


Dietary monounsaturated fatty acids promote aortic atherosclerosis in LDL receptor-null, human ApoB100-overexpressing transgenic mice

Rudel LL, Kelley K et al
[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Summery: monounsaturated fat did not protect against atherosclerosis development, whereas aortic atherosclerosis in either of the polyunsaturated fat groups was significantly less than in the saturated fat group


And of course there was the Lion heart study which first made people question the benefits of the Mediterranean diet and it's heart healthly fats. Other studies have followed showing the monounsaturated fats are causing problems with CVD. I think we need to choose our fats wisely and be sure to include regular chia sprouts in the diet.



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SueZ Wrote:
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> > He's not wilting at all, perhaps you're jealous
> > that he's aging much slower than you are.
>
> Not jealous at all. I'm not aging as badly as he
> is. He looks very low on chi.
>
>
> None of
> > the things you mentioned are necessary on the
> > Hippocrates diet and grains are not apart of
> it.
> > How would it be impossible for you to get
> enough
> > calories on the diet when thousands of people
> are
> > doing so?
>
> They must be getting most of their calories from
> fruit then if they aren't getting it from grain
> products and fermented nuts and seeds. Doesn't
> matter how many people are on the diet.


Brian Clement is in his mid-60's, has the bone density of a 22 year old football player, extremely intelligent, and not a strand of grey hair. I guarantee you are aging worse than Clement. Guaranteed.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Brian Clement is in his mid-60's, has the bone
> density of a 22 year old football player,
> extremely intelligent, and not a strand of grey
> hair. I guarantee you are aging worse than
> Clement. Guaranteed.

He does not look good and neither does his wife judging from the videos in this thread. They look like typical SAD eaters in their 70's.

The rest of you post is just silly juvenile BS banter - guaranteed.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Brian Clement is in his mid-60's, has the bone
> > density of a 22 year old football player,
> > extremely intelligent, and not a strand of grey
> > hair. I guarantee you are aging worse than
> > Clement. Guaranteed.
>
> He does not look good and neither does his wife
> judging from the videos in this thread. They look
> like typical SAD eaters in their 70's.
>
> The rest of you post is just silly juvenile BS
> banter - guaranteed.


How jealous are you of him and his wife? "He does not look good", congrats, you've taken it to a whole new level of delusion. Your ego is clogging you from seeing reality. Brian Clement has been thriving on the Hippocrates diet for about 40 years and you're still struggling to find a diet that doesn't cause significant health problems. Enough said.



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jtprindl Wrote:
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> How jealous are you of him and his wife? "He does
> not look good", congrats, you've taken it to a
> whole new level of delusion. Your ego is clogging
> you from seeing reality. Brian Clement has been
> thriving on the Hippocrates diet for about 40
> years and you're still struggling to find a diet
> that doesn't cause significant health problems.
> Enough said.


Once again, I am not at all jealous. I wouldn't at all like to look like they do in 15 years. If they look good to you and you want to look like them when you're old go for it.

Look at their faces if you don't want to look at his back curvature. It's quite apparent you are being deluded by your beliefs and don't want to open your eyes and look at them. Or maybe you are too far away from their age group to discern that they look older than their age. Or maybe it's because you live where all older people look that bad.

SueZ Wrote:
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> jtprindl Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > How jealous are you of him and his wife? "He
> does
> > not look good", congrats, you've taken it to a
> > whole new level of delusion. Your ego is
> clogging
> > you from seeing reality. Brian Clement has been
> > thriving on the Hippocrates diet for about 40
> > years and you're still struggling to find a
> diet
> > that doesn't cause significant health problems.
> > Enough said.
>
>
> Once again, I am not at all jealous. I
> wouldn't at all like to look like they do in 15
> years. If they look good to you and you want to
> look like them when you're old go for it.
>
> Look at their faces if you don't want to look
> at his back curvature. It's quite apparent you are
> being deluded by your beliefs and don't want to
> open your eyes and look at them. Or maybe you are
> too far away from their age group to discern that
> they look older than their age. Or maybe it's
> because you live where all older people look that
> bad.


Your delusions aside... you act like looks are the key factor in overall health, which is unrealistic. Oh and if Brian Clement looks like the "typical SAD diet eater", please give an example of someone his age who looks better and much younger.



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[www.youtube.com]

RawPracticalist Wrote:
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> What is the Conductivity diet in one line or two?
> Or
> What is it not?


It's all about facilitating grounding conductivity all the way to the bones so the bones are able to take the nutrition in - rebooting the system.

It's not about fermentation and fermented foods. It's about keeping the system clean and pure and simple so the electricity is not blocked. Fermentation blocks the conductivity.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> David Jubb and Gabriel Cousens also speak of
> 'biological terrain'. I think Jubb goes on about
> the electrical aspect also.


Yes. So does Dr.Cassar who has a whole series of videos on terrain modification that is very interesting, IMO.

Tavis Bradley did not invent the concept it comes from a lot of what is going around now in the alternative healing field. Electricity is where it's at. Someone on his site mentioned to Tavis that his protocol was very similar to Cassar's and Tavis said that he had never heard of him and that he had been using the Conductivity Diet on himself and his clients for ten year. He then visited Dr. Cassar's site and commented that he though Dr. Cassar was a beautiful soul, or something like that.

SueZ Wrote:
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> THeSt0rm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > David Jubb and Gabriel Cousens also speak of
> > 'biological terrain'. I think Jubb goes on
> about
> > the electrical aspect also.
>
>
> Yes. So does Dr.Cassar who has a whole series
> of videos on terrain modification that is very
> interesting, IMO.
>
> Tavis Bradley did not invent the concept it
> comes from a lot of what is going around now in
> the alternative healing field. Electricity is
> where it's at. Someone on his site mentioned to
> Tavis that his protocol was very similar to
> Cassar's and Tavis said that he had never heard of
> him and that he had been using the Conductivity
> Diet on himself and his clients for ten year. He
> then visited Dr. Cassar's site and commented that
> he though Dr. Cassar was a beautiful soul, or
> something like that.


Here's a cool Dr. Cassar video on parasites.

[www.youtube.com]

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----> > RawPracticalist Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----

> > > What is the Conductivity diet in one line or
> > two?
> > > Or
> > > What is it not?
> >
> >
> > It's all about facilitating grounding
> > conductivity all the way to the bones so the
> bones
> > are able to take the nutrition in - rebooting
> the
> > system.
> >
> > It's not about fermentation and fermented
> > foods. It's about keeping the system clean and
> > pure and simple so the electricity is not
> blocked.
> > Fermentation blocks the conductivity.
>
>
> Does that require the diet be lower in
> carbohydrates, or like a ketogenic diet? I've
> always been interested in seeing if I could
> successfully make a raw diet ketogenic. Now if I
> can do that with a modified sproutarian diet that
> would be great.

No, he seems not to think so. He eats a lot of fruit, too. To me, however, it seems that it's either ketogenic for him or very close to it but I couldn't get a response from him on the subject.

One of my goals is to tweak the Conductivity Diet into the ketogenic range for myself. I've dipped down into that range, experimentally, a few times and it really did wonders for my blood sugar levels. For now though, I'm pretty much sticking with the program, sans most fruit, until I go in for my yearly physical.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> I think, with a sproutarian diet consisting of
> everything it normally consists of, minus the
> sprouted beans and grains and replace that with
> sprouted seed oil, if not then just the minimal
> fermented seeds... it just might work.
>
> Even if using ferments perhaps the terrain could
> be much cleaner due to not having as much
> undigested runaway sugars floating around.


Why minus the sprouted beans?

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Ie, it may require not having legumes or grains,
> and having either just the sprouted seeds, or
> sprouted seeds and sprouted seed oils.


I must have responded to you post while you were editing this in, lol. There aren't beans and grains on the Conductivity Diet and I haven't seen any of Tavis videos where he sprouted his seeds. He is really big on eating a lot of sprouts and the rest of very nutritionally dense veggies.

>
> Only problem I have with this is The Sproutarian
> Man says crude fats are not good for us. But I
> wonder...

Tavis says the stone ground living oils are like living gold and considers them indispensable for conductivity - as is crystal salt.

If on a ketogenic diet (also eating fats
> stimulates the endogenous cannabinoid release),
> could it possibly make the body more efficient in
> handling antinutrients?

I don't know but a lot of so called antinutrients have favorable functions, too - the jury is still out on them IMO.


Could it also help one to
> live easier on "lower" amounts of calories?

I don't know yet but for the past two days I've gone up to 15 grams of seaweed per day and I'm amazed that I've been eating 2/3 of what I usually do yet feeling very full and energized. I might be in a minor stage of ketoses as my carbs are averaging 54 grams a day.

And
> finally does the body have the ability to break
> down crude fats into free fatty acids? I thought
> the body had this ability, just as it does have
> the ability to break the bonds in polysaccharides,
> and proteins in crude protein to release free
> amino acids, etc.
>
> So why not fat?


Did someone tell you it was impossible?


>
> Some people believe we can actually live without
> requiring even 'beneficial' bacteria.. making the
> claim that it's simply a habitual thing... Seems
> crazy right?

I have no idea but maybe if we burn clean enough and have enough chi it would be possible.

Tavis considers fermentation as anti-life and an impediment to electric currents so maybe he leans that way, too. It does seem crazy but very interesting.

jtprindl Wrote:
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> THeSt0rm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think, with a sproutarian diet consisting of
> > everything it normally consists of, minus the
> > sprouted beans and grains and replace that with
> > sprouted seed oil, if not then just the minimal
> > fermented seeds... it just might work.
> >
> > Even if using ferments perhaps the terrain
> could
> > be much cleaner due to not having as much
> > undigested runaway sugars floating around.
>
>
> Why minus the sprouted beans?


Too many carbs for ketosis, son.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tavis says the stone ground living oils are
> > like living gold and considers them
> indispensable
> > for conductivity - as is crystal salt.
>
> yeah, I can see that if the body is running on
> ketones for a source of energy. Supposedly from
> what I've read the body "runs more efficient" on
> ketones or atleast in the ketogenic state ie the
> sugars one does get get rerouted to the most
> essential areas while the fats run the other
> areas.. which you'll have a lot more caloric
> energy for. In fact, from waht I read even the
> brain probably works better because more sugars go
> to the brain and nervous system as they're not
> being burned by other parts of the body. Plus fat
> has more calories per gram than sugars.

One thing for sure meditation and concentration has much improved for me on this diet. On hclf I was bouncing of the wall, which was fun but very unproductive. Now I can get things done much more smoothly and calmly.

>
> I wonder if the 'living oils' he speaks of are
> unfiltered? Which means that they can still
> contain part of the whole 'food' including
> antinutrients etc.

That part stays behind and get's fed to animals, etc.
>
> I wouldn't see a problem if one could just use
> oils with proper food combining, and not give up
> on eating the whole seeds like sesame, chia,
> sunflower, etc. (even poppy?)

You don't have to give up seeds and nuts - they are very important for getting a full spectrum of nutrients. They are a big part of the Conductivity Diet.You don't have to combine the oils with other foods at all if you don't want to. Just go to the fridge and have one or another oil in between meals a t or a T at a time. You can carry it with you when you're out and about and sip on it, too. You never get hungry on the Conductivity Diet which is a very nice position to be in.

>
> One can very easily get enough carbs with enough
> of the green foods/juices plus there are already
> some good carbs in the seed sprouts.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Also as to the question if someone lead me to
> believe that fats could not be broken down by the
> body. It's not really that I thought this... I
> just know TSM says crude fats are not healthy,
> atleast when compared to free fatty acids.
>
>
> I dont know all that much about the body but... I
> dont see any studies that really tests every
> detail I talk about, together so there is a
> complete study rather than an analysis of isolated
> things which could never amount to everything
> working at once in a complete diet.

If you have enough nutrients to allow your body to function properly it should produce enough lipase to break down fats. No problem.

One thing, though, you might want to think of if you are considering doing all this is that the tonics are absolutely critical to the diet working. You've got to build up digestive fire for it to work. If you are running cold you have to get your liver up to speed before you start. Tavis has a liver cleanse which is pretty brutal, IMO. I barely gat through it, Lol. Glad I did though.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> And just think.. what in nature could you Really
> have that is high in carbs, in such great amounts?
> my guess is not that much. No most of these fruits
> seen in the stores are not even all that natural
> to think these exist in nature.

Well the same is said about oils but that doesn't concern me because I really think humans were meant to figure our way out of the messes we get ourselves into and not live as the other mammals in that regard. I'm totally happy to use tools to get my food for instance.

> if anything, this diet I'm mentioning could also
> allow for a Greater amount of calories. Without
> the need for so much ferments. Heck you may not
> even need oil, just to be in ketosis and have the
> body running efficiently.

I think the oils are necessary - especially for women. On the hclf diet I ate as many calories as I do now. For some reason on that diet I lost my butt. That was terrible. Thankfully my butt grew back on with the added fat in this diet.

While I can't recall any exact reasons put forth for all the fat I suspect a few things. One, he stressed how protecting the nerves while allowing them to receive at the same time is where it becomes an art. I really think the oils have to be playing a big part in how all the elements come together to effect the nerves. The other thing I suspect is that the oils server more than just a nutritional part and have a basic mechanical function. We're tin man in need of an oil can so to speak.

Suez: I would be interested in why Tavis says that bacteria/ferments "impediment to electric currents". Is it based on any science, or is it his personal views and experience?

One thing l do agree on, good levels of fatty acids are very important.

The only thing that bothers me with fermentation is that it means consuming living bacteria that has purposely been developed, so it kind of goes against spiritual beliefs, but it seems hard to avoid. None-the-less, l don't consider myself as vegan because l consume bacteria from the air and from food, in fact, there is no such thing as a vegan. I know it's only small karma to pay, but still, l am breeding life so l can consume it. When l pass over in this life l will have explaining to do, but it's hard not to do it with my diet. Even my B12 supplement is bacterial based. It is kind of like being a watered down version of the typical meat eater. I hope the higher powers understand. I might have to meditate on this and try to get a clear answer. Something tells me it is probably o.k, but karma must be burnt off. I don't even like accidently hurting a small ant or anything, it makes me a touch sad for a moment when l do - it's not that l watch out for ants when l walk, but if one gets on my hand l try to be careful to put it outside, but sometimes if l have water on my hand they can be killed when l try to remove them. Still, it is not the end of the world because we are said to need some karma to exist in this world or else our bodies will vapourise and can only exist in spirit form.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Suez: I would be interested in why Tavis says that
> bacteria/ferments "impediment to electric
> currents". Is it based on any science, or is it
> his personal views and experience?


I'm not sure but mostly he speak from his years of experience. He also was raised by NHers and his father was a healer with "quite a following" so he really does have a lot more experience than most even though he's pretty young.

I put a lot of what he said on the matter of fermented foods in the "Kimchi and Cancer" thread.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> A funny thing about endocannabinoids, is that they
> play a vital role in maintaining homeostasis in
> the body.
>
> Hm....

Well Tavis did tell me, when I told him I had become prediabetic, that I should take plenty of the oils as they were very important...

SueZ Wrote:
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> Well Tavis did tell me, when I told him I had
> become prediabetic, that I should take plenty of
> the oils as they were very important...

you probably are aware of this book. but I'll post it anyway. It says the opposite of what Tavis says.

[www.amazon.com]



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Panchito Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well Tavis did tell me, when I told him I had
> > become prediabetic, that I should take plenty
> of
> > the oils as they were very important...
>
> you probably are aware of this book. but I'll post
> it anyway. It says the opposite of what Tavis
> says.
>
> [www.amazon.com]
> ing-Diabetes/dp/1594868107


How many times do I have to tell you, Panchito, I'm consuming 60% to 70% fats and oils every day now on the Conductivity Diet and my fasting blood sugar has turned around and now is really good!

Why would I buy, or even read, a book that says high fat is bad when that is exactly what is working for me? You are mistaking me for an ignorant noob which is getting old don't you think? I do.



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THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Gabriel Cousens helps reverse diabetes in his
> institute using considerable amount of fats and
> oils.

I followed his method and my blood sugar did not go down much at all and once it finally did, after a few months, I cautiously introduced sweet fruits again into my diet and my blood sugar spiked again as if I had never been on his program. I was very disappointed with the results I got from his method.

Isnt that the exact same thing that's happening to you on the Tavis Bradley diet when you introduce fruit?

jtprindl Wrote:
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> Isnt that the exact same thing that's happening to
> you on the Tavis Bradley diet when you introduce
> fruit?

Not with lemons and limes. I had 3/4 of a cup of their juice every day in tonic #2. I have many lemons a day and have added grapefruit without problems. I also now eat pomegranates which are working out well without spiking my blood sugar. That's enough for me. I get all the nutrients I need and am very happy with my foods and they are delicious.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> I dont really resonate with Gabriels program now
> that I focus on sprouts. I could do modified phase
> 1 diet using high sprouts instead of high
> veggies.
>
> I feel that's probably the main thing the program
> could work on: less veggies and fruit more
> sprouts.



My sprout threshold is 2 oz. a day because that's all I can jam into my soups without tasting them so what you want to do wouldn't work for me.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> WEll here it is:
>
> [www.rawfoodsupport.com]
> 9602#msg-199602
>
> BACK TO THE BEGINNINGS.
>
> Eating is the biggest free radical stress we put
> on our body and that is why caloric restriction
> prolongs life, as long as we maintain
> super-nutrition. The variability in life span, or
> the rate of aging, is determined by insulin
> levels. The so-called chronic diseases of aging
> are symptoms of insulin resistance due to our
> modern diet, which has an excessive of
> carbohydrates (starches and sugars) in relation to
> proteins and fats. When our insulin receptors get
> sluggish and lose their sensitivity to insulin,
> the body’s insulin levels go up. The sugar from
> carbohydrate’s in the diet depresses the immune
> system and since 80% of the immune system is in
> the GI tract we can readily see how a high
> carbohydrate diet will cause an inflammed leaky
> gut which is unable to maintain healthy intestinal
> flora. Insulin also causes the retention of sodium
> and fluid, it stimulates the production of
> cholesterol by the liver; plus spikes in insulin
> over-stimulate the sympathetic nervous system. The
> evolutionary purpose of insulin is that levels are
> raised in times of plentiful food in order to
> store excess nutrients for potential famine in the
> future. The extra glucose is stored as saturated
> fat, ninety-eight percent of which is palmitic
> acid. Over time this stored fat turns rancid and
> the excess sugar caramelizes (glycates) proteins.
>
> The building blocks of the body are proteins and
> fats, as the body can make all the carbohydrates
> it needs from proteins and fats. The body stores
> energy as fat because that is the body's desired
> fuel. The body can store only a little bit of
> sugar for glucose was meant to be emergency fuel
> to be used in situations where an extreme amount
> of energy was needed. Your primary fuel should be
> coming from mostly from mono-unsaturated fat like
> nuts. Insulin's actions are countered by the
> second metabolic hormone, glucagon. Glucagon sends
> signals to the kidneys to release excess salt and
> fluid, to the liver to slow down the production of
> cholesterol and triglycerides, to the artery wall
> to relax and drop blood pressure, and to the fat
> cells to release stored fat to be burned for
> energy. So you want to increase the ability of the
> cells in the body to burn fat efficiently, and to
> do this you need to keep your carbohydrate and
> insulin levels low. Dr. Ron Rosedale suggests a
> diet of 20% calories from carbs, 25 to 30%
> calories from protein, and 60-65% from fat. By
> maximizing the release of glucagon and minimizing
> the release of insulin, the malfunctioning insulin
> receptors regain their sensitivity thereby healing
> the metabolic disturbances and diseases caused by
> insulin resistance.
>
> "Excess Insulin And The Insulin Resistance
> Syndrome" is from a book entitled "Protein Power"
> by Michael R. Eades, M.D., and Mary D. Eades, M.D.
> (1996)
>
> --------------
>
> Sorry it says 60-65% not 70%.

25% to 30% protein is too much for me so I'll stick to what I'm doing for now. I hate high protein diets.

My goal is to get my FBS to an even keel 75 which probably means ketosis for me. I'm in the 80's now except on days when I haven't gotten enough sleep.

THeSt0rm Wrote:
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> Yeah, I was just posting it for the info. Also has
> a interesting take on sugar/fat metabolism.

I've posted some videos on this subject around here somewhere. They were not popular.

SueZ Wrote:
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> THeSt0rm Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, I was just posting it for the info. Also
> has
> > a interesting take on sugar/fat metabolism.
>
> I've posted some videos on this subject around
> here somewhere. They were not popular.


Here it is...

[www.youtube.com]

Wow, congrats! Let's make ketogenic mode work for us raw vegans!

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