Did that person heal his tooth?

Can he now eat those citrus fruits without worrying about his teeth? I personally can only eat bananas every day and then citrus fruits as a treat.

I firmly believe that there are individuals that probably experience fewer, and less severe, detox symptoms switching from cooked foods to a raw vegan diet than the average person making the switch does..There are also likely the occasional very rare individuals that experience no detox symptoms at all when switching..

I firmly believe that the remainder of the people switching from cooked foods to raw foods will experience detox symptoms ranging from mild to severely debilitating..These symptoms may show up years after a person believes that their detox has been completed..

Like most people new to the raw vegan diet I have read thousands upon thousands of posts on various internet forums in order to learn as much as possible about the raw vegan diet / lifestyle..

On EVERY single raw vegan forum that I have visited that is run by a so-called raw vegan "elder" detox is generally, but not always, de-emphasized..The sites I am speaking of are the ones set up by, and or run directly by, people that have books, e-books, CD's, DVD's, restaurants, etc. that promote THEIR version / THEIR vision of how to be a raw vegan..Like others have pointed out, NONE of these people willingly talk about the realities of detoxification..Very few of them will speak about their own experiences while detoxing..I came to the conclusion, as Richard has, that the unwillingness of these people to talk about detox is primarily due to MONEY..If they speak frankly about detox they simply will NOT sell as many books, DVD's, etc. as they will otherwise..I refuse to believe that ALL of these people experienced mild detox symptoms during their transitional period..It just is not statistically possible!!!..

I also find it very telling that the majority of these "elder" raw folks are heavily into promoting and selling raw vitamins, raw supplements, and raw "super" foods..Like others, I have reached the conclusion that most of these "super" foods are not all that good for you..Just because something is edible does not necessarily mean that it is good for one..

The only person that comes to mind that has discussed detox in any meaningful way in a book is Matt Monarch..I tend to wonder how much of his detox symptoms that he suffered his first couple of years raw were due to his excessive over eating of various fruits..He freely admits that he binged on fruit a lot in his early years..

I also wonder how much of the difficulties of detox are directly related to the person that is detoxing's psychological stresses..In my case I KNOW that my inability to stay raw, and the constant yo-yo'ing that I have experienced can be partially attributed to a complete LACK of support within my family..I KNOW that I am going to have to cut some ties, and alienate my mother in particular, in order to give myself the opportunity to successfully become a raw vegan..

I have been thinking lately that a person without the full support of family and loved ones must experience stronger detox symptoms than someone that has the full suypport of their family behind them..

Any thoughts on this??..

Bruce

baltochef Wrote:
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> I firmly believe that there are individuals that
> probably experience fewer, and less severe, detox
> symptoms switching from cooked foods to a raw
> vegan diet than the average person making the
> switch does..There are also likely the occasional
> very rare individuals that experience no detox
> symptoms at all when switching..
>
> I firmly believe that the remainder of the people
> switching from cooked foods to raw foods will
> experience detox symptoms ranging from mild to
> severely debilitating..These symptoms may show up
> years after a person believes that their detox has
> been completed..
>
> Like most people new to the raw vegan diet I have
> read thousands upon thousands of posts on various
> internet forums in order to learn as much as
> possible about the raw vegan diet / lifestyle..
>
> On EVERY single raw vegan forum that I have
> visited that is run by a so-called raw vegan
> "elder" detox is generally, but not always,
> de-emphasized..The sites I am speaking of are the
> ones set up by, and or run directly by, people
> that have books, e-books, CD's, DVD's,
> restaurants, etc. that promote THEIR version /
> THEIR vision of how to be a raw vegan..Like others
> have pointed out, NONE of these people willingly
> talk about the realities of detoxification..Very
> few of them will speak about their own experiences
> while detoxing..I came to the conclusion, as
> Richard has, that the unwillingness of these
> people to talk about detox is primarily due to
> MONEY..If they speak frankly about detox they
> simply will NOT sell as many books, DVD's, etc. as
> they will otherwise..I refuse to believe that ALL
> of these people experienced mild detox symptoms
> during their transitional period..It just is not
> statistically possible!!!..
>
> I also find it very telling that the majority of
> these "elder" raw folks are heavily into promoting
> and selling raw vitamins, raw supplements, and raw
> "super" foods..Like others, I have reached the
> conclusion that most of these "super" foods are
> not all that good for you..Just because something
> is edible does not necessarily mean that it is
> good for one..
>
> The only person that comes to mind that has
> discussed detox in any meaningful way in a book is
> Matt Monarch..I tend to wonder how much of his
> detox symptoms that he suffered his first couple
> of years raw were due to his excessive over eating
> of various fruits..He freely admits that he binged
> on fruit a lot in his early years..
>
> I also wonder how much of the difficulties of
> detox are directly related to the person that is
> detoxing's psychological stresses..In my case I
> KNOW that my inability to stay raw, and the
> constant yo-yo'ing that I have experienced can be
> partially attributed to a complete LACK of support
> within my family..I KNOW that I am going to have
> to cut some ties, and alienate my mother in
> particular, in order to give myself the
> opportunity to successfully become a raw vegan..
>
> I have been thinking lately that a person without
> the full support of family and loved ones must
> experience stronger detox symptoms than someone
> that has the full suypport of their family behind
> them..
>
> Any thoughts on this??..
>
> Bruce

It depends on how strict to being 100% raw the individual is, some people aren't as raw as they think they are and don't actually detox fully....like most of these guru's. You get someone on just fruits and I can assure you that they will feel there detox after about three weeks....

I always tell my clients that the cleansing is going to be hardcore regardless but their success depends on how they handle it!...if you panic then it's going to be hell and you'll probably bail out real quick, if you have support it will still be hard but your success will depend on how you use your support, if you don't listen to advice your going to be a gonna.

I've also found that those people that say they have light detoxes always get it bad some way or another maybe be not now but they'll get it.

I truly believe that people coming off cooked food/detoxing should be treated in the same way as a detoxing drug or alcohol addict and go to a retreat or rehab away from everybody else so they can detox in peace and away from anybody that they can verbally abuse. I think the detox of someone coming off of cooked food is greatly under valued and should be taken much more seriously.

RB





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2008 01:08AM by richard blackman.

kwan Wrote:
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> >I blame this partly on the initial raw vegan
> leaders for this as they were the ones that
> painted a idealistic/romantic picture of going raw
> vegan with all the books, etc after all, if
> everybody knew that the to go raw they would
> probably have to go through lengthy detox symptoms
> and things would get far worse before they got
> better (depending on past habits) many people
> would even bother and these guru's would make no
> money, most failed to mention or prepare
> people/followers for the "hardcore" detoxification
> process that follows<
>
> Yes! The 'instant paradise health' hype that
> causes people to feel like they're failures or
> that they're 'doing something wrong.' I so wish
> these raw food teachers would fess up, because a
> lot of us had to go through hell before we looked
> and felt good on the raw diet. I can think of
> certain raw food gurus (on other sites, not you
> Bryan!) who simply will not talk about the
> symptoms of detoxification in any realistic way,
> and I think they do their clients and readers a
> real disservice. It's dishonest. In the '80s and
> '90s they were still figuring it out themselves--
> I know a well-known raw food guru who was very
> surprised to lose his tooth enamel from too much
> citrus fruit in the mid-1990s-- but now the due
> diligence has been done, and they really need to
> share what they know so people don't have to
> suffer unnecessary physical damage or mental
> stress.

These guru's wrote their books way too early....now it's biting most of them in the butt! People are seeing through them now....but it amazes me how these long term guru's are not evolving, they are still stuck in the lifestyle that they first started in when infact they should be Liquidarians by now.Well I already know why...

RB

Richard

Right this minute I am not raw..The only times I have been successful for any length of time I was able to be alone in a house without the temptations as I began the transition..

I consider myself addicted to cooked food..As a recovering marihuana addict, 1983 to 2008, I understand completely what a transition / detox is all about..For me kicking cooked foods is harder by a magnitude of thousands than kicking marihuana was..Years after being clean from marihuana I would get the most INTENSE cravings for a joint..Sometimes it would stop me in my tracks like a body blow to the solar plexus..

Having people around me that actively conspire to put the foods I am most addicted to in front of me constantly is keeping me from healing..I am going to have to move away from my family for a while until I can get a handle on things..

I agree that switching from eating cooked foods to a raw vegan diet is EXACTLY like breaking an alcohol or drug addiction..The resistance to treating food as a form of drug by physicians, scientists, and lay people alike is hindering our country on getting a handle on the obesity epidemic..I suppose it is because we consider food, especially cooked food, an absolute necessity; whereas we consider drugs, especially illegal drugs, a form of personal indulgence..

For myself, I make NO distinctions between cooked foods and any form of legal / illegal drug..If foods have the same effects upon the brain and body as a drug, then to me they are the same..

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck; then it MUST BE a duck..

If cooked foods, especially heavily processed ones, effect humans EXACTLY like drugs, "Then why do we as a society seem to have SO much trouble recognizing and coming to terms with this???"..

Bruce

>Very few of them will speak about their own experiences while detoxing. I came to the conclusion, as Richard has, that the unwillingness of these people to talk about detox is primarily due to MONEY.<

Yes, I agree, and I suspect too that they're not talking about their experiences because they don't want to open a can of worms and open up about the fact that they have had problems for fear or ridicule and loss of prestige (and of course... money!) ;-p. Because then the next question people ask is "Are you still having this problem?" and "Do you have any other physical problems now?" I can't say I blame them-- it's very personal-- but the whole problem could be avoided if the raw movement wasn't so mired in these unrealistic expectations.

Sharrhan:


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>Did that person heal his tooth?

Can he now eat those citrus fruits without worrying about his teeth? I personally can only eat bananas every day and then citrus fruits as a treat.<

I don't know what he did about his tooth enamel, but I know he gets a lot of cavities and he's told me he's got 'pretty bad teeth.' He tends to blame it all on how sick he was before he went raw (which was probably 30 years ago) and on other things. He drinks orange juice and eats a lot of fruit, so yeah, I'd say he's eating citrus now, but he visits the dentist a lot too.

Sharrhan:


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baltochef Wrote:
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> Richard
>
> Right this minute I am not raw..The only times I
> have been successful for any length of time I was
> able to be alone in a house without the
> temptations as I began the transition..
>
> I consider myself addicted to cooked food..As a
> recovering marihuana addict, 1983 to 2008, I
> understand completely what a transition / detox is
> all about..For me kicking cooked foods is harder
> by a magnitude of thousands than kicking marihuana
> was..Years after being clean from marihuana I
> would get the most INTENSE cravings for a
> joint..Sometimes it would stop me in my tracks
> like a body blow to the solar plexus..
>
> Having people around me that actively conspire to
> put the foods I am most addicted to in front of me
> constantly is keeping me from healing..I am going
> to have to move away from my family for a while
> until I can get a handle on things..
>
> I agree that switching from eating cooked foods to
> a raw vegan diet is EXACTLY like breaking an
> alcohol or drug addiction..The resistance to
> treating food as a form of drug by physicians,
> scientists, and lay people alike is hindering our
> country on getting a handle on the obesity
> epidemic..I suppose it is because we consider
> food, especially cooked food, an absolute
> necessity; whereas we consider drugs, especially
> illegal drugs, a form of personal indulgence..
>
> For myself, I make NO distinctions between cooked
> foods and any form of legal / illegal drug..If
> foods have the same effects upon the brain and
> body as a drug, then to me they are the same..
>
> If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks
> like a duck, smells like a duck; then it MUST BE a
> duck..
>
> If cooked foods, especially heavily processed
> ones, effect humans EXACTLY like drugs, "Then why
> do we as a society seem to have SO much trouble
> recognizing and coming to terms with this???"..
>
> Bruce

You hit the nail right on the head Balto....there's a lot of resentment in the raw community and truly successful people that strive to be natural seem to be the ones that get attacked the most by their own peers, I think it's because of this same subject, people feel like they are failing so they go and travel the path of least resistance while still claiming to be raw but they resent the ones that are doing what they wanted to do.

I take my coaching with my clients very, very seriously and many times I've wanted to not coach it because I don't feel that the setting is right but there's too many people hurting from the doctrines of the raw food leaders, so I do what I can.

I really hope that the raw diet never goes mainstream because it's not ready!

RB

kwan Wrote:
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> >Did that person heal his tooth?
>
> Can he now eat those citrus fruits without
> worrying about his teeth? I personally can only
> eat bananas every day and then citrus fruits as a
> treat.<
>
> I don't know what he did about his tooth enamel,
> but I know he gets a lot of cavities and he's told
> me he's got 'pretty bad teeth.' He tends to blame
> it all on how sick he was before he went raw
> (which was probably 30 years ago) and on other
> things. He drinks orange juice and eats a lot of
> fruit, so yeah, I'd say he's eating citrus now,
> but he visits the dentist a lot too.


I had the opposite effect with citrus...my teeth were a mess because of playing rugby with protection and no matter how much I brushed my teeth they always felt like they were rotting away and I know that it was because of the cooked food. When I went fruitarian all that stopped and when I went liquidarian 3 years ago I was on citrus only and that really cleaned my teeth up. I've never been effected by citrus. It just goes to show how different we all are and how personal this journey is.

RB

kwan Wrote:
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> >Very few of them will speak about their own
> experiences while detoxing. I came to the
> conclusion, as Richard has, that the unwillingness
> of these people to talk about detox is primarily
> due to MONEY.<
>
> Yes, I agree, and I suspect too that they're not
> talking about their experiences because they don't
> want to open a can of worms and open up about the
> fact that they have had problems for fear or
> ridicule and loss of prestige (and of course...
> money!) ;-p. Because then the next question people
> ask is "Are you still having this problem?" and
> "Do you have any other physical problems now?" I
> can't say I blame them-- it's very personal-- but
> the whole problem could be avoided if the raw
> movement wasn't so mired in these unrealistic
> expectations.


Your right Kwan...I think being open about their detox process would ruin the "fun loving" "blissful" and "euthoric" image...

I always tell people NOT to go raw because I know that unless they get good coaching and take time to build their character they will get their butts kicked. Most people are getting away with it because they are not completely raw, they look like they are having the most fun but they are still getting sick, they are still suffering from illnesses. I see the same guru's that started out at the same time as me and they are showing signs of getting old and wrinkly at such a young age and they look so tired.

I say if your not going to do it right and get back to basics then don't do it at all.

RB





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2008 02:51AM by richard blackman.

;-) That's cool Richard! My teeth are getting a lot better now, too, despite eating citrus frequently and lots of fruit, and not many greens. I had some troubles with my teeth and my gums when I started the raw path some 30 years ago, but now they're doing really well. No pain, no cavities.

The longer I'm on this raw path, the more I am seeing it something like this: when people first go raw they are drawn to it by basic human instinct and common sense, but also higher evolutionary forces. They can stay with the human/animal nature aspect of just 'getting healthy and cleansing the body'(which is extremely important and vital!) and just rely on the food alone to have all the enzymes and nutrients, etc., that they need, or they start to intuitively pick up on the larger vision that their body/mind/spirits are meant for soemthing greater-- this 'added something' that the raw path is leading to, which is when we start becoming aware that
* less is more,
* there are finer nutrients even than food,
* the basic components of our bodies are radiant atomic points of energy that are pure and perfect, and they readily respond to our consciousness,
* we are ultimately spiritual beings with amazing potential and ability to heal ourselves and others, and
* we are also capable of being super-conductors of these pranic 'finer nutrients' or energies

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You got it Kwan....bang on...this is what people should be progressing to and not being side tracked by raw placebos.

I think the teeth thing is actually detoxing from the mouth, I know that over the my teeth moved around and changed position as I got smaller, don't forget that on cooked food we are swollen so when that swelling goes down then things must move around.

RB

Richard, do you only eat organic?

Do you ever waterfast? What are your thoughts on it?

Does your tongue ever get a white coating on it?

Kombaiyashii Wrote:
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> Richard, do you only eat organic?
>
> Do you ever waterfast? What are your thoughts on
> it?
>
> Does your tongue ever get a white coating on it?

Go to my website, all your questions and then some are answered there!

RB

I know people have skewed off topic again, but responding to the responses, all I can say is that I have respect for bodybuilders who seem to love doing what they do, just like anyone here supposedly loves what they do with raw foods. It seems what you are saying is that it's practically impossible to get that huge on raw foods. I both agree and disagree in a way - I think it would be extremely challenging to eat that much food and work that hard to put on that much muscle with raw food, but still, possible. With their experience, they seem to know their stuff with foods and what makes their body do what. So in a way, they also have an attention to their body and they too say they crave protein and such things. Also, wouldn't it be optimal on which diet makes you can muscle with the most ease and the fastest?
My experience is mostly just reading...Other then that, I do do weight training and cardio a lot, yet wonder if I should be putting on muscle easier, as that is what the genes in both of my parents say. They're practical mesomorphs, my mom more so surprisingly. But my dad has got a thyroid problem, so I'm wondering if that's what's been plaguing me too. There are a lot of people out there who aren't genetically gifted yet do not work out nearly as often and seems that they put on muscle easier, though, with their diet. It also seems a lot more men experiment with their diet more so then women, dammit, haha. So yes, diet is a big indicator of fat and muscle gaining. It's a lot less simple then anyone could imagine, though, especially if one has not tried all aspects out for themselves, like I would like to. There are still things I'm not convinced by with problems still bugging me, like acne and digestion. Everything just seems to be at a dull plateau for me right now, and I'm still reading around all the time to see what can give me an idea of what to do next. Discussion is always good, though.

I think the main idea which people are trying to put forth is that

1.) you won't get that kind of physique - with the caveat - that doesn't jeopardize your long term health goals on a raw food path.

2.) That everyone has some degree of stuck energy and internal deposits from their diet and lifestyle and environmental habits/experience - and yes I believe genetic inheritance as well, and the body isn't all that interested in your physique when you flip the switch and start going down that path of clearly out that debris.

No one is insinuating that bodybuilders eat a SAD lifestyle or arn't consciously building up their bodies based on what they observe to be scientific laws or that you can't maintain a physique eating a largely raw 'healthy' diet. the question is - is their process one of the natural phenomenon on which other beings of this earth acquire and hold on to muscle or are they manipulating the circumstances of what can be observed from a scientific distance and than exploiting this 'knowledge' to their detriment?


just as you can manipulate the potential energy of a river by building a dam brick by brick getting better net results of stored up energy and mass you can oversupply and block out the bodies detoxification systems.

no real moral judgment on the dam as with bodybuilding, unless you take into account how that artificially affects the surrounding terrain, either the ecosystem or the bodies natural detoxification function, which is suppressed by the onslaught of more dense matter, making it hold on to its waste matter in fat or muscle tissue


either way you just arn't gonna get the same result without laying down the bricks and letting the river flow

personally I would rather have a strong flowing river free of debris that supports life then a mucky polluted one powering animal farm and filled with dope syringes!


it really isn't all that challenging (to the imagination - of course the work would take 'effort') to put on that kind of mass with raw foods using the same tactics of suppressing detoxification...as someone already mentioned with Arlin's RAW POWER. the only difference is that the cleaner raw foods would inevitable cause more symptoms and show signs of distress..being a 'healthier' option to the constant loading of the toxins in cooked proteins etc...but saying that the cooked way is the better way to build your body is like saying cough syrup beats having a cold. I guess you can have your preferences but if you arn't open to others experiences or willing to have youre own experience your drinking cough syrup man!






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2008 07:31PM by anaken.

iLIVE Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I know people have skewed off topic again, but
> responding to the responses, all I can say is that
> I have respect for bodybuilders who seem to love
> doing what they do, just like anyone here
> supposedly loves what they do with raw foods. It
> seems what you are saying is that it's practically
> impossible to get that huge on raw foods. I both
> agree and disagree in a way - I think it would be
> extremely challenging to eat that much food and
> work that hard to put on that much muscle with raw
> food, but still, possible. With their experience,
> they seem to know their stuff with foods and what
> makes their body do what. So in a way, they also
> have an attention to their body and they too say
> they crave protein and such things. Also,
> wouldn't it be optimal on which diet makes you can
> muscle with the most ease and the fastest?
> My experience is mostly just reading...Other
> then that, I do do weight training and cardio a
> lot, yet wonder if I should be putting on muscle
> easier, as that is what the genes in both of my
> parents say. They're practical mesomorphs, my mom
> more so surprisingly. But my dad has got a
> thyroid problem, so I'm wondering if that's what's
> been plaguing me too. There are a lot of people
> out there who aren't genetically gifted yet do not
> work out nearly as often and seems that they put
> on muscle easier, though, with their diet. It
> also seems a lot more men experiment with their
> diet more so then women, dammit, haha. So yes,
> diet is a big indicator of fat and muscle gaining.
> It's a lot less simple then anyone could imagine,
> though, especially if one has not tried all
> aspects out for themselves, like I would like to.
> There are still things I'm not convinced by with
> problems still bugging me, like acne and
> digestion. Everything just seems to be at a dull
> plateau for me right now, and I'm still reading
> around all the time to see what can give me an
> idea of what to do next. Discussion is always
> good, though.

Thanks iLIVE....

anaken Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think the main idea which people are trying to
> put forth is that
>
> 1.) you won't get that kind of physique - with the
> caveat - that doesn't jeopardize your long term
> health goals on a raw food path.
>
> 2.) That everyone has some degree of stuck energy
> and internal deposits from their diet and
> lifestyle and environmental habits/experience -
> and yes I believe genetic inheritance as well, and
> the body isn't all that interested in your
> physique when you flip the switch and start going
> down that path of clearly out that debris.
>
> No one is insinuating that bodybuilders eat a SAD
> lifestyle or arn't consciously building up their
> bodies based on what they observe to be scientific
> laws or that you can't maintain a physique eating
> a largely raw 'healthy' diet. the question is - is
> their process one of the natural phenomenon on
> which other beings of this earth acquire and hold
> on to muscle or are they manipulating the
> circumstances of what can be observed from a
> scientific distance and than exploiting this
> 'knowledge' to their detriment?
>
>
> just as you can manipulate the potential energy of
> a river by building a dam brick by brick getting
> better net results of stored up energy and mass
> you can oversupply and block out the bodies
> detoxification systems.
>
> no real moral judgment on the dam as with
> bodybuilding, unless you take into account how
> that artificially affects the surrounding terrain,
> either the ecosystem or the bodies natural
> detoxification function, which is suppressed by
> the onslaught of more dense matter, making it hold
> on to its waste matter in fat or muscle tissue
>
>
> either way you just arn't gonna get the same
> result without laying down the bricks and letting
> the river flow
>
> personally I would rather have a strong flowing
> river free of debris that supports life then a
> mucky polluted one powering animal farm and filled
> with dope syringes!
>
>
> it really isn't all that challenging (to the
> imagination - of course the work would take
> 'effort') to put on that kind of mass with raw
> foods using the same tactics of suppressing
> detoxification...as someone already mentioned with
> Arlin's RAW POWER. the only difference is that the
> cleaner raw foods would inevitable cause more
> symptoms and show signs of distress..being a
> 'healthier' option to the constant loading of the
> toxins in cooked proteins etc...but saying that
> the cooked way is the better way to build your
> body is like saying cough syrup beats having a
> cold. I guess you can have your preferences but if
> you arn't open to others experiences or willing to
> have youre own experience your drinking cough
> syrup man!
>
>
> [farm4.static.flickr.com]
> 3aaff62_o.jpg



I'm currently doing an experiment that may mess everybodies heads up and laugh in the face of all that's taught within the fitness community.

I'll share when it's done!

RB

>I'm currently doing an experiment that may mess everybodies heads up and laugh in the face of all that's taught within the fitness community.
I'll share when it's done!<

Go, Richard! We need our heads messed up a little bit. :-)

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kwan Wrote:
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> >I'm currently doing an experiment that may mess
> everybodies heads up and laugh in the face of all
> that's taught within the fitness community.
> I'll share when it's done!<
>
> Go, Richard! We need our heads messed up a little
> bit. :-)

Ha,ha...alright then, I'll do my best, ha,ha....

Here's a vid of Ronnie Coleman just for the fun of it!

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RB

Ronnie Coleman should be made to eat 100% raw vegan for 2 years. He looks bleccch!!!

I can respect that Ronnie Coleman has worked very hard and as a result has achieved his dream. Yup, I surely can respect that.

I just don't see an advantage in bulking up like that, or a purpose for that matter. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying I don't understand it.

I've been giving this a lot of thought. Imagine Ronnie Coleman and Richard Blackman living in an unexplored jungle in Central America. I can't prove this, it's just a theory, but I don't think Ronnie Coleman would survive as well as Richard Blackman! LOL I just think an athletic build is a lot faster, more flexible, and definitely more agile, I think an overall athletic body is more advantageous. An athletic body would just be more adaptable me thinks.

I don't imagine Ronnie Coleman could outrun a predatory creature. I can't even imagine him climbing a tree for shelter or to harvest it's fruit. I could be wrong but it would seem more difficult with that much bulk. I also have the preconceived idea that body builders pay more attention to strength training, to the point of neglecting their cardio. That just seems unbalanced to me. Then again, I only know three body builders, all family members, and I'm just basing my theory on what I see from them so it probably doesn't apply to all body builders. But somehow, I can't imagine Ronnie Coleman running track. LOL

Does power lifting give one enough of a cardio workout? I imagine it would get your heart rate up there but I just don't know.

roxeli Wrote:
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> I can respect that Ronnie Coleman has worked very
> hard and as a result has achieved his dream. Yup,
> I surely can respect that.
>
> I just don't see an advantage in bulking up like
> that, or a purpose for that matter. I'm not
> saying it's wrong. I'm just saying I don't
> understand it.
>
> I've been giving this a lot of thought. Imagine
> Ronnie Coleman and Richard Blackman living in an
> unexplored jungle in Central America. I can't
> prove this, it's just a theory, but I don't think
> Ronnie Coleman would survive as well as Richard
> Blackman! LOL I just think an athletic build is a
> lot faster, more flexible, and definitely more
> agile, I think an overall athletic body is more
> advantageous. An athletic body would just be more
> adaptable me thinks.
>
> I don't imagine Ronnie Coleman could outrun a
> predatory creature. I can't even imagine him
> climbing a tree for shelter or to harvest it's
> fruit. I could be wrong but it would seem more
> difficult with that much bulk. I also have the
> preconceived idea that body builders pay more
> attention to strength training, to the point of
> neglecting their cardio. That just seems
> unbalanced to me. Then again, I only know three
> body builders, all family members, and I'm just
> basing my theory on what I see from them so it
> probably doesn't apply to all body builders. But
> somehow, I can't imagine Ronnie Coleman running
> track. LOL
>
> Does power lifting give one enough of a cardio
> workout? I imagine it would get your heart rate
> up there but I just don't know.

When you mention that scenario I instantly thought of this.....

Can you imagine the detox he'd go through and the anxiety of not being able to eat standard cooked food in large amount and the anxiety of losing his weight/mass/muscles, he'd probably think he was going through starvation, I would suspect that his detox would be pretty violent. I think that's where you would really see the benefits of what we do.

RB

I think, roxeli, that what you're proposing, taken to its natural end, is a fascination slice of evolutionary theory: Richard has already "adapted" his body to being able to deal with the circumstance of being isolated in a Central American jungle, whereas Mr. Coleman hasn't. If it came to a matter of using resources most effectively to survive the experience, Richard would ace it and Mr. Coleman wouldn't(sadly, he probably cannot outrun an anaconda). Richard would survive as the fittingest human specimen. The Survival of the Fittingest[Fittest], get it? Darwinism at work! I LOVE it!

baltochef,

I truly believe that if one's loved ones cannot respect one's request to honor one's ways of healing, one must put the loved ones aside for a while. Perhaps they don't mean to be one's adversaries, but if they aren't helping, that is what they have become. When I became a vegetarian overnight at age 21, Lordy, the naysayers! I thought my family would disown me for being a freak. But my mom stayed mum on the subject, which told me she trusted my judgment, and so I pushed on with my decision with confidence. Eventually, the relatives all came around, and now a couple of the younger ones have gone over to my side : )

Please remember that this journey isn't a cinch for anyone, and that your desire to succeed determines your chances of doing so to a great degree. Stay strong and focused, and motivate yourself to be attentive only to that which aids you to become what you wish; the rest is white noise. Peace to you.

This is just for fun guys...here's what I did for christmas...

Had some fun working out!....played around with the weights too...made a nice change!

One Arm Tyre Flip...
[www.youtube.com]

Weighted Chins
[www.youtube.com]

Weighted Dips
[www.youtube.com]

Weighted Russian Twists
[www.youtube.com]

Muscle ups
[www.youtube.com]

What did you guys get up to on christmes!?

RB

Today I did what has become 1 of 2 main exercise routines

mainly revolves around an exercise where I've combined a few extra yoga poses into the hindu pushup (where it is in itself almost a push-up version of the standard vinasa - (Plank, Chaturanga, and Upward Facing Dog.) I always keep my feet totally flat so swinging back and forth is similar to 'dolphin' pose as well and I really push the UFD so it seems to work many back muscles as well as open up the muscles in the legs.

I go back and forth between that and doing dips between two dining chairs and as many sit ups I can do (feet on floor with knees bent) or leg lifts...then chedck my e-mail or boards or whatever when I am out of breath..sometimes this goes on up to 3 hours

other days I do hindu squats while I work my biceps and shoulders. I do have a bar that I use for biceps but other then that I have no equipment. I have to say after a year and a half of this...

I do miss equipment! not evena chin up bar in sight. I think it shows on my body. I had some rings in my backyard that had been there since i was a kid and I managed to pull them out (rotted wood mostly)


I think ideally for me I would put in a few days at the gym in addition to BW...or have an outdoor playground like you do RB!

nice vids

happy holidays!






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This morning I did my 45 minutes of Turbo Jam (cardio kickboxing), which I do 6 times a week. I also did my pushups and tricep dips.

Tomorrow is strength training day using my new set of hand weights. Can't wait to break them in.

Hey Richard!

I just viewed your video on the Russian twists using 45 lb. weight. OMG! I can barely do them with an 8 lb. medicine ball. LOL

roxeli Wrote:
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> Hey Richard!
>
> I just viewed your video on the Russian twists
> using 45 lb. weight. OMG! I can barely do them
> with an 8 lb. medicine ball. LOL

Oh I can do more, I just don't have a heavier weight!...I love banging those suckahs out!

RB