Re: Ebola your thoughts?
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John Rose
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Date: October 28, 2014 02:49PM Here's something for the MATHEMATICALLY CHALLENGED...
[www.naturalnews.com] The modern-day 'slave class' is anyone who cannot do math... and that's about 95% of the population Monday, April 22, 2013 Don't FEAR the Microbe - FEAR the INJECTION!!! [www.rawfoodsupport.com] Re: Ebola your thoughts? Posted by: fresh Date: August 16, 2014 12:54PM liberia, a country with "ebola" crisis. vaccination statistics. OH,,gee, I wonder if injecting attenuated viruses and poisons can cause a problem. could that possibly introduce foreign matter into humans that might present a problem (that we subsequently blame on "ebola" [www.unicef.org] check out the vaccination coverage percentages. Immunization coverage (%) 2012, BCG 85 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, DPT1 86 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, DPT3 77 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, polio3 77 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, MCV 80 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, HepB3 77 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, Hib3 77 Immunization coverage (%) 2012, Newborns protected against tetanus 91% [www.rawfoodsupport.com] “Diet, INJECTIONS and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.” -Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society 1953 Remember, Bertrand Russell was a member of the Fabian Society and if you guys don't know what the Fabian Society is, then you are CLUELESS as to what is going on in Liberia and around the world!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 28, 2014 02:51PM Who was the father of Virology and who did he work for? Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 28, 2014 03:50PM HH Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Just to make sure that everyone understands, the > article that Prana posted is satire. It's The New > Yorker trying to be like The Onion. > > Prana Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Study: Fear of Ebola Highest Among People Who > Did > > Not Pay Attention During Math and Science > Classes theOnion's satire is often imitated but most publications can't hold a candle to Onion humor. For example... "Following the death of the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, concerns about the deadly hemorrhagic virus are running high throughout the country. Here is everything you need to know about Ebola: What is Ebola? Ebola is an infectious, often fatal virus. For more complete information, consult your own darkest paranoid nightmares. How do you contract Ebola? Ebola is contracted through contact with a health care system that vastly overestimates its preparedness for a global pandemic. What are the symptoms of Ebola? Severe flu-like symptoms that a CNN cameraman is filming. How long does it take for symptoms to first appear? Anywhere from two to 10 days after passing through U.S. customs. How is Ebola treated? The virus is eventually killed when the body begins naturally decomposing inside a coffin several feet underground. Do I have Ebola? Not yet. How dangerous is Ebola? Easily Africa’s fourth or fifth most pressing issue. I come into frequent physical contact with Ebola-infected blood, urine, saliva, stool, and vomit. Am I at risk of contracting Ebola? Yes. Is there a risk of Ebola spreading further? If Dallas authorities fail to properly contain the disease, it may spread as far as Plano and Fort Worth. How are Ebola outbreaks contained? Great question! What are airports doing to screen passengers? Questionnaire based on fundamental assumption that those in desperate need of medical attention would not lie to get out of western Africa and into the U.S. How many people could die if Ebola begins spreading in the United States? Projections are currently imprecise but range anywhere from 318.8 million to 319.0 million Americans. When will all this Ebola hysteria end? For you? At exactly 11:18 a.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 28." Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 28, 2014 03:58PM There's nothing funny about the Contagion Myth!
It looks like you guys are afraid to answer this question... Who was the father of Virology and who did he work for? WARNING - the answer has the potential to wake you up! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
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SueZ
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Date: October 28, 2014 04:09PM Poor obsolete rose, the black knight of woo, incapable of learning yet always defending his fictitious ground...
[www.youtube.com] Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 28, 2014 04:40PM They are saying now that runners from Ebola afflicted countries will not be allowed to run in the New York marathon. But does that really mean anything? It is quite well known that anyone who wants to, and has $50, can buy the proper Nigerian paperwork any Nigerian citizen can and go wherever they go. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 28, 2014 06:04PM It looks like EVERYONE who is AFRAID of the VIRUS is also AFRAID of the TRUTH!!!
Who was the Father of Virology and who did he work for? PRANA KNOWS the TRUTH!!! FRESH KNOWS the TRUTH!!! BANANA WHO KNOWS the TRUTH!!! TSM/BRIAN KNOWS the TRUTH!!! Why are the rest of y'all AFRAID of the TRUTH??? All you guys have to do is find out who the Father of Virology worked for and you will NO longer FEAR the VIRUS!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 28, 2014 07:57PM Nobel Prize Winner For Medicine: People Without Symptoms O Fever Can Still Spread Ebola
[www.washingtonsblog.com] "Why does he think the CDC would so emphasize Ebola is not communicable in patients without symptoms? “There’s some imperative to prevent panic among the public,” says Dr. Beutner, “But to be honest, people have not examined that with transmissibility in mind. I don’t completely trust people who’d say that as dogma.” Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
suncloud
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Date: October 28, 2014 11:39PM HH Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Just to make sure that everyone understands, the > article that Prana posted is satire. It's The New > Yorker trying to be like The Onion. > > Prana Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Study: Fear of Ebola Highest Among People Who > Did > > Not Pay Attention During Math and Science > Classes Thanks for clearing that up HH. I missed it! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
suncloud
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Date: October 28, 2014 11:43PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- >> > The link doesn't show the video now. I would like > to have seen what they were wearing and, if they > actually entered homes, what disposable protection > they had on their feet, etc. I don't trust > anything but mandatory quarantine at this point > since the health care workers protocals don't seem > to be functional yet. I also am not as sure as you > are that Nigeria is trustworthy in their reporting > that all is well. Too bad the link isn't working. It was very good, but there was no footage of the workers going to the homes. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
coconutcream
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Date: October 28, 2014 11:54PM Snake like creatures flying airborne... attacking people!! AGGGHHHHH
Reminds me of: Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/29/2014 12:01AM by coconutcream. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 12:05AM It looks like EVERYONE who is AFRAID of the VIRUS is also AFRAID of the TRUTH!!!
Who was the Father of Virology and who did he work for? PRANA KNOWS the TRUTH!!! FRESH KNOWS the TRUTH!!! BANANA WHO KNOWS the TRUTH!!! TSM/BRIAN KNOWS the TRUTH!!! COCONUTCREAM KNOWS the TRUTH!!! Who else KNOWS the TRUTH & why are the rest of y'all AFRAID of the TRUTH??? All you guys have to do is find out who the Father of Virology worked for and you will NO longer FEAR the VIRUS!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 29, 2014 12:55AM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Poor obsolete rose, the black knight of woo, > incapable of learning yet always defending his > fictitious ground... > > [www.youtube.com] The black knight spams on! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 29, 2014 11:38AM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > SueZ Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How sweet it is... > > > > > [www.businessinsider.com] > > > -a-killer-in-close-up-2014-10 > > > No wonder it chooses fruit bats as a reservoir. > Lots of food for replication there. Ebola needs > lots of sugar. I found another source for the image at the broken link... [visualscience.ru] Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 11:50AM Once again, it looks like EVERYONE who is AFRAID of the VIRUS is also AFRAID of the TRUTH!!!
Who was the Father of Virology and who did he work for? PRANA KNOWS the TRUTH!!! FRESH KNOWS the TRUTH!!! BANANA WHO KNOWS the TRUTH!!! TSM/BRIAN KNOWS the TRUTH!!! COCONUTCREAM KNOWS the TRUTH!!! Who else KNOWS the TRUTH & why are the rest of y'all AFRAID of the TRUTH??? All you guys have to do is find out who the Father of Virology worked for and you will NO longer FEAR the VIRUS!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 29, 2014 12:25PM Ebola Dr. lied about New York travels. He initially said he was in self quarantine. Detectives had to trace his cc and metro card to find out the truth.
[nypost.com] Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 02:18PM It looks like EVERYONE who is AFRAID of the VIRUS is also AFRAID of the TRUTH!!!
Who was the Father of Modern Virology and who did he work for? PRANA KNOWS the TRUTH!!! FRESH KNOWS the TRUTH!!! BANANA WHO KNOWS the TRUTH!!! TSM/BRIAN KNOWS the TRUTH!!! COCONUTCREAM KNOWS the TRUTH!!! Who else KNOWS the TRUTH & why are the rest of y'all AFRAID of the TRUTH??? All you guys have to do is find out who the Father of Modern Virology worked for and you will NO longer FEAR the VIRUS!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
CommonSenseRaw
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Date: October 29, 2014 02:28PM AND THE TRUTH IS ? Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 02:55PM <<<AND THE TRUTH IS ?>>>
The TRUTH that Prana, fresh, banana who, TSM/Brian, coconutcream and I understand is that… DIS-EASES are NOT CONTAGIOUS!!!!!!!!! Our Medical System has been Hijacked!!! "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State." -Iliach Ullanov (aka, Vladimir Lenin) The TRUTH that will set “those who believe in VIRUSES” free comes from the answer to this question… Who was the Father of Modern Virology and who did he work for? Find the answer to this question and you will NO longer FEAR the VIRUS!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
CommonSenseRaw
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Date: October 29, 2014 03:31PM DIS-EASES are NOT CONTAGIOUS!!!!!!!!!
I like that. But how does a healthy body handles a virus that entered in from unexpected source. How would the body of those who KNOW handle an ebola infected glass of water they drank by mistake? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/29/2014 03:32PM by CommonSenseRaw. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:11PM CommonSenseRaw Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > DIS-EASES are NOT CONTAGIOUS!!!!!!!!! > > I like that. > > But how does a healthy body handles a virus that > entered in from unexpected source. > > How would the body of those who KNOW handle an > ebola infected glass of water they drank by > mistake? Lol! Don't expect him to return to that question with anything resembling an honest answer. More spewing of pages of nonsense? Maybe. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:36PM <<<But how does a healthy body handles a virus that entered in from unexpected source.>>>
Hey CommonSenseRaw, I created a separate Thread just to answer your question and I had done that long before sUEz's pathetic comment... [www.rawfoodsupport.com] Raw Food Acknowledgements… Posted by: John Rose Date: October 29, 2014 12:58PM ... Don’t FEAR the VIRUS - FEAR the INJECTION!!! [www.rawfoodsupport.com] Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
suncloud
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:38PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Ebola Dr. lied about New York travels. He > initially said he was in self quarantine. > Detectives had to trace his cc and metro card to > find out the truth. > > > [nypost.com] > ut-his-nyc-travels-police/ Oh my! Well, it appears the "trust me" policies are not sufficiently reliable unfortunately, even for health care workers, and even for doctors. So far, it seems to me that a person really isn't contagious at least until they have a fever, but someone else needs to go to them a take the temperature and record it at least twice a day. With a fever, the person should be immediately isolated, pending test results. IMO. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
CommonSenseRaw
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:39PM Thank John, I will read it when I get home. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:50PM Hey suncloud,
Since you believe in Viruses, do you believe that a Virus is the Cause of Polio? If I can PROVE to you that Polio was NOT Caused by a Virus, would you open up your mind and at least look at the other side of the story? I created a separate Thread for all of y'all who still believe in Voodoo... [www.rawfoodsupport.com] Raw Food Acknowledgements… Posted by: John Rose Date: October 29, 2014 12:58PM ... Don’t FEAR the VIRUS - FEAR the INJECTION!!! [www.rawfoodsupport.com] I look forward to your rebuttal. By the way, it's been PROVEN that AIDS is NOT Caused by a Virus and I know for a fact that Hepatitis C is NOT Caused by a Virus!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
SueZ
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Date: October 29, 2014 08:52PM suncloud Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > SueZ Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Ebola Dr. lied about New York travels. He > > initially said he was in self quarantine. > > Detectives had to trace his cc and metro card > to > > find out the truth. > > > > > > > [nypost.com] > > > ut-his-nyc-travels-police/ > > > Oh my! Well, it appears the "trust me" policies > are not sufficiently reliable unfortunately, even > for health care workers, and even for doctors. > > So far, it seems to me that a person really isn't > contagious at least until they have a fever, but > someone else needs to go to them a take the > temperature and record it at least twice a day. > With a fever, the person should be immediately > isolated, pending test results. > > IMO. Unfortunately 13% of people infected with Ebola never get a fever! [www.washingtonsblog.com] Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
John Rose
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Date: October 29, 2014 09:29PM John Rose Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Hey suncloud, > > Since you believe in Viruses, do you believe that > a Virus is the Cause of Polio? > > If I can PROVE to you that Polio was NOT Caused by > a Virus, would you open up your mind and at least > look at the other side of the story? > > I created a separate Thread for all of y'all who > still believe in Voodoo... > > [www.rawfoodsupport.com] > Raw Food Acknowledgements… > Posted by: John Rose > Date: October 29, 2014 12:58PM > > ... > Don’t FEAR the VIRUS - FEAR the INJECTION!!! > [www.rawfoodsupport.com] > > I look forward to your rebuttal. > > By the way, it's been PROVEN that AIDS is NOT > Caused by a Virus and I know for a fact that > Hepatitis C is NOT Caused by a Virus!!! Don’t FEAR the VIRUS - FEAR the INJECTION!!! Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
suncloud
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Date: October 29, 2014 09:58PM SueZ Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Unfortunately 13% of people infected with Ebola > never get a fever! > > [www.washingtonsblog.com] > -nobel-prize-work-immune-system-people-without-sym > ptoms-fever-may-still-ebola.html Thanks for that info SueZ. I think it is crucial. Here is a quote from the study cited by the article: "The most common symptoms reported between symptom onset and case detection included fever (87.1%), fatigue (76.4%), loss of appetite (64.5%), vomiting (67.6%), diarrhea (65.6%), headache (53.4%), and abdominal pain (44.3%). Specific hemorrhagic symptoms were rarely reported (in <1% to 5.7% of patients). “Unexplained bleeding,” however, was reported in 18.0% of cases. These patterns are similar in each country." [www.nejm.org] So there's where the 13% comes in (100% - 87.1%) But I also found an editorial (October 27) from the New England Journal of Medicine which is where the original study was published: "The governors of a number of states, including New York and New Jersey, recently imposed 21-day quarantines on health care workers returning to the United States from regions of the world where they may have cared for patients with Ebola virus disease. We understand their motivation for this policy — to protect the citizens of their states from contracting this often-fatal illness. This approach, however, is not scientifically based, is unfair and unwise, and will impede essential efforts to stop these awful outbreaks of Ebola disease at their source, which is the only satisfactory goal. The governors' action is like driving a carpet tack with a sledgehammer: it gets the job done but overall is more destructive than beneficial. "Health care professionals treating patients with this illness have learned that transmission arises from contact with bodily fluids of a person who is symptomatic — that is, has a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, and malaise. We have very strong reason to believe that transmission occurs when the viral load in bodily fluids is high, on the order of millions of virions per microliter. This recognition has led to the dictum that an asymptomatic person is not contagious; field experience in West Africa has shown that conclusion to be valid. Therefore, an asymptomatic health care worker returning from treating patients with Ebola, even if he or she were infected, would not be contagious. Furthermore, we now know that fever precedes the contagious stage, allowing workers who are unknowingly infected to identify themselves before they become a threat to their community. This understanding is based on more than clinical observation: the sensitive blood polymerase-chain-reaction (PCR) test for Ebola is often negative on the day when fever or other symptoms begin and only becomes reliably positive 2 to 3 days after symptom onset." [www.nejm.org] Maybe it all means that a person might not have a fever, but they would still have to be symptomatic with diarrhea, vomiting, etc. before they could transmit the disease. It does seem so far that infection requires contact with body fluids. If this is correct, we need to rely on detecting any of the symptoms - not just fever. Without quarantine then, we're back to "trust me". But if someone started having these more serious symptoms, wouldn't they want to seek help? I don't know if we can say they always would... So how do we get more help into Africa and still include the quarantine? Difficult issue. Re: Ebola your thoughts?
Posted by:
suncloud
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Date: October 29, 2014 10:38PM SueZ, another thought:
Maybe 13% of Ebola patients never had their temperature taken. And maybe 100% of patients being monitored for Ebola did have their temperature taken; and in those cases, fever always preceded other symptoms. It seems likely that not all Ebola patients staying at home would even have thermometers; so if asked, they or their surviving relatives wouldn't be able to confirm whether they ever had a fever or not. I have no idea though. This is just a guess, and I haven't read the entire study. Maybe there is more detail about how they got their figures. Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
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