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> coconutcream Wrote:
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> People
> > can live again after learning about raw vegan
> > foods.
>
> Some of his patient's can and some of them die
> young. This thread is about little aboriginal
> children who's parent's were beguiled by a
> confident salesman who hasn't produced any know
> health care credentials at all and certainly was
> not employing their traditional aboriginal
> alternative to modern medicine.
>
> From what I've read so far Clement didn't keep
> records of long-term outcomes or follow ups on his
> patients. If this is the case how can we know how
> many actually recovered from their HHI cancer
> center? Has anyone here found any indication
> otherwise? Does HHI just consider everyone who
> leaves their institute as "cured"? IMO, if that's
> how he does things he has absolutely no claim to
> his "science" having any resemblance to real
> science regardless of his repetitive claims of
> being scientific.


Brian asks his patients to send in blood tests that they analyse free of charge for the life of their former patients to keep track of them. He has countless files he reviews each year. That's what Brian has always said. I am sure former patients on this site can give some feedback on this.

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> SueZ Wrote:
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> > coconutcream Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > People
> > > can live again after learning about raw vegan
> > > foods.
> >
> > Some of his patient's can and some of them die
> > young. This thread is about little aboriginal
> > children who's parent's were beguiled by a
> > confident salesman who hasn't produced any know
> > health care credentials at all and certainly
> was
> > not employing their traditional aboriginal
> > alternative to modern medicine.
> >
> > From what I've read so far Clement didn't keep
> > records of long-term outcomes or follow ups on
> his
> > patients. If this is the case how can we know
> how
> > many actually recovered from their HHI cancer
> > center? Has anyone here found any indication
> > otherwise? Does HHI just consider everyone who
> > leaves their institute as "cured"? IMO, if
> that's
> > how he does things he has absolutely no claim
> to
> > his "science" having any resemblance to real
> > science regardless of his repetitive claims
> of
> > being scientific.
>
>
> Brian asks his patients to send in blood tests
> that they analyse free of charge for the life of
> their former patients to keep track of them. He
> has countless files he reviews each year. That's
> what Brian has always said. I am sure former
> patients on this site can give some feedback on
> this.

That's interesting. What are his cancer center patient's stats? How many of them have lived five years? High time for him to bring out the graphs and other visuals, if they exist, isn't it?

Come on, TSM, you know they don't exist or he would have been using them all along in his sales pitches.

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> Come on, TSM, you know they don't exist or he
> would have been using them all along in his sales
> pitches.

Well, l am sure his former clients will chime in. I will contact a few on my website also and get some feedback.

Brian also mentions it in his youtubes on various occasions.

Razman (posts here, but under a new username) speaks highly of HHI, and if we contact him l am sure he'll be able to tell us also. What's his current username again?



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The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> Well, l am sure his former clients will chime in.
> I will contact a few on my website also and get
> some feedback.
>
> Brian also mentions it in his youtubes on various
> occasions.

Do you seriously think the stats, if they exist, will be in the hands of HHI cancer survivor clients if they aren't being broadcast in public? Think about it.

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> The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> >
> > Well, l am sure his former clients will chime
> in.
> > I will contact a few on my website also and get
> > some feedback.
> >
> > Brian also mentions it in his youtubes on
> various
> > occasions.
>
> Do you seriously think the stats, if they exist,
> will be in the hands of HHI cancer survivor
> clients if they aren't being broadcast in public?
> Think about it.

It's not what l am saying at all.

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> > -----
> > >
> > > Well, l am sure his former clients will chime
> > in.
> > > I will contact a few on my website also and
> get
> > > some feedback.
> > >
> > > Brian also mentions it in his youtubes on
> > various
> > > occasions.
> >
> > Do you seriously think the stats, if they
> exist,
> > will be in the hands of HHI cancer survivor
> > clients if they aren't being broadcast in
> public?
> > Think about it.
>
> It's not what l am saying at all.


If you are saying HHI offers to keep tabs on their clients who have been through their cancer program by interpreting their future blood tests that might sound nice but has nothing to do with success rate stats.

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> One person who claimed to work there said that if
> the pressure gets too much that Brian will end up
> pulling the plug because he has enough money to
> live well. HHI closing is a nightmare that l
> choose not to think about.

I have seen so much evasion and lies from him that I highly doubt he will simply retire if he's P.O. enough of the wrong people. I'd put my two bits on him running like a sissy to some rural second or third world countryside with suitcases and shoe boxes stuffed full of money, etc., if the investigation into the little girl's cause of death (which seems to be about to happen) doesn't look good for his future freedom.



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I like Brian Clement and have talked to him on multiple occasions but I am definitely more leery about his health and nutritional claims nowadays.

not sure if this was posted yet


[www.wptv.com]

clement responds...

[news.nationalpost.com]

[www.hippocratesinst.org]

he said they have helped 125000 people with cancer over the decades.
that's 12 people every single day for 30 years.

He suggested in a recent interview with WPTV, the local NBC-TV affiliate, that the institute’s IRS filing was erroneous when it stated his income in 2013 was $529,000, and his wife’s $432,000. He declined to say what he believed their true compensation to be.

I find interesting that the article maybe intentionally omited the cause of death. Could it be that this person had cancer but died instead from for example a stroke?

Quote

Hippocrates took in the two Canadian girls last year — at a cost of about $18,000 each — after they pulled out of chemotherapy, despite its proven record of curing most childhood leukemia. One has since died.

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[metronews.ca]

these governments and hospitals are so Sick and psychotic for trying to force people to undergo chemo.

government is violence

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>
> [news.nationalpost.com]-
> about-hippocrates-complaint-filed-against-clinic-t
> hat-treated-first-nations-girl-pulled-out-of-chemo
> /
>
> [www.hippocratesinst.org]
>
> he said they have helped 125000 people with cancer
> over the decades.
> that's 12 people every single day for 30 years.
>
> He suggested in a recent interview with WPTV, the
> local NBC-TV affiliate, that the institute’s IRS
> filing was erroneous when it stated his income in
> 2013 was $529,000, and his wife’s $432,000. He
> declined to say what he believed their true
> compensation to be.

Gee, everyone seems to be hammering HHI now. One of the long term HHI staff mentioned he left because he didn't like the commercialism that HHI were now engaging in.

I was surprised to read the following "Mr. Pugh said it is quite possible that some of the cancer patients at Hippocrates are cured, but in the little over a year that he worked there, he was not personally aware of any such successes".

It makes me wonder if the HHI people are sticking with the diet and doing what they were taught, or are they eating things they shouldn't be. I can't accept that chemo is the only way because it is so wrong on so many levels. There is good science on broccoli sprouts, and probably the most anti cancer food known.

An investigator at Florida's Department of Health went undercover and posed as a patient after getting a complaint that two aboriginal girls from the Hamilton area had quit chemotherapy and gone to Hippocrates Health Institute for cancer treatment.

Using a pseudonym, the investigator with the department's unlicensed activity unit went for an appointment Feb. 10 with owner and co-director Brian Clement to discuss a "medical condition."

Among the items the undercover investigator was prescribed was pollen, an internal cleanser that had to be taken four days a week at 2 a.m. and a quinoa burger.

...
Using the pseudonym "Paul," investigator Kevin Lapham went to the February appointment with Clement. He was asked to provide blood screen results and provided with a specimen collection box. He was told the "Hippocrates medical team" would review his file after he sent his samples to a company listed on the box.

He wasn't diagnosed but was provided with a menu that included a quinoa burger, rice pasta, non-soy burgers, Amy-brand dinners and all grains.

He was also given instructions to take B12 supplements every morning, an internal cleanser at 2 a.m. and 2 p.m. four days a week as well as a teaspoon of pollen twice a day. All are sold at the institute.

Lapham later identified himself as an investigator and reports that Clement denied all the allegations against him.

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i think DG said that he once took bee pollen and had a shock reaction and nearly died. so it's strange that HHI would be prescribing bee pollen which can be problematic.

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> The latest news...
>
> [www.thestar.com]
> nal-girls-visits-to-florida-centre-sparked-underco
> ver-probe.html
>
>
> "Using the pseudonym “Paul,” investigator
> Kevin Lapham went to the February appointment with
> Clement. He was asked to provide blood screen
> results and provided with a specimen collection
> box. He was told the “Hippocrates medical
> team” would review his file after he sent his
> samples to a company listed on the box.
>
>
> He wasn’t diagnosed but was provided with a menu
> that included a quinoa burger, rice pasta, non-soy
> burgers, Amy-brand dinners and all grains.
>
>
> He was also given instructions to take B12
> supplements every morning, an internal cleanser at
> 2 a.m. and 2 p.m. four days a week as well as a
> teaspoon of pollen twice a day. All are sold at
> the institute."





> So now HHI is a not-for-profit garden variety fast
> food selling grocery store, too?



I guess they can...

[yourbusiness.azcentral.com]

" Anna Maria Clement, Hippocrates Health Institute co-director, under investigation"

[www.cbc.ca]

fresh wrote:
bee pollen

Tai:
I bought the HHI lifegive digestive enzymes and they contain flower pollen, not bee pollen.
When I pick fresh flowers for cold teas, like loquat and honeysuckle, there is a lot of pollen inside the flowers. I eat night blooming cactus flowers and there is a lot of pollen inside them. I have never felt any immune reaction to flower pollen. I feel wonderful eating flowers. I make rose petal smoothies and add them to my salad.

Has Karma caught up yet?

Is there a "Dr." in the Clement house? We all knew the answer to that question. Now the Clements do, too.



"Second cease-and-desist order issued against Florida health spa "

"Co-director told to stop practicing naturopathy at center that treated Ontario aboriginal girls" ...

"The department issued the order against Hippocrates Health Institute co-director Anna Maria Clement on Feb. 25 to immediately stop practicing naturopathic medicine without a license" ...

* (I corrected the typos in the above extracted quotes from the article)

[www.thespec.com]



The now just plain "Mrs." Clement's attorney has had some interesting cases under her belt ...

[www.tkudmanlaw.com]

SueZ wrote:
The now just plain "Mrs." Clement's attorney has had some interesting cases under her belt ...

[www.tkudmanlaw.com]

Tai:
I came on this board hoping to learn more about healing with raw vegan food. All the "greats" that I was hoping to learn more about in a positive way have been belittled, called liars, and even dissected down to their choice of lawyers. Isn't it reported that the family of the deceased are not pressing charges against the Clements and that they are blaming the chemo and not the HHI protocols for the death? Are we not supposed to actually listen to deceased family's perspective, since they know the situation better than anyone else? The ex staff that are suing the Clements are hoping to make a lot of money, correct? Is their motive pure?

If raw veganism is supposed to thrive on this forum, perhaps with every trash story about a raw vegan giant, there could be a positive post about raw vegan food healing the body. Otherwise, it's rather depressing here.

<<<If raw veganism is supposed to thrive on this forum, perhaps with every trash story about a raw vegan giant, there could be a positive post about raw vegan food healing the body. Otherwise, it's rather depressing here.>>>

Tai,

Do you still think this website is not infested with Internet Shills?

If you Ruled the World, wouldn't you send TROLLS to all of the websites that threaten your existence?

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

It is really sad that one of the greatest raw food vegan teachers ever is being given such a hard time. It looks like he may have had a lack of judgement in some issues, but he is still a raw food legend. Before all of this drama l was one of his greatest promotors, and l still feel that way in regards to his promotion and teaching of the sprouted diet.

The sadest thing l find is that the media appears to be putting out the idea that the raw food diet he teaches is virtually useless. They don't say that, but they seem to be implying that. Brian must be pretty saddened by it, everything he has worked for is being blown off. He obviously lives the lifestyle and he would be crushed at how his work has been attacked like he is some common backyard operator.

While l don't like the commercialism of it all, do people only think he is doing it for the money? I don't think so, his passion is in raw foods, and l seriously doubt he could speak so passionately in talk after talk if his heart wasn't in it (i've heard virtually every youtube interview he has ever done..hundreds of them). And if he is sacrifising his raw lifestyle by travelling, living in hotels without access to sprouted foods up to 200 times per year, then l reckon he should be compensated with a better salary and benefits. To me, the money is still not worth the sacrifise he makes travelling.

I'm glad my eyes have been opened, because l was naive and never thought Brian could ever do any wrong, he was my shining light for years and l thought of him in the highest possible way. But when l look back....all people make mistakes, and l hope Brian can do things better so these reported legal issues never make HHI look bad again,but their image has been permanantly tarnished, and this hurts like a thorn in my side. I am so embarrassed about what has happened to Brian and HHI, especially HHI because they are part of me in a big way...this is just like a nightmare, but l can't sweep it under the carpet and ignore it either, l just hope Brian does things alittle different and better so HHI is never attacked again. This whole saga has damaged my spirits...l can never talk about HHI and Brian Clement in the same way ever again without being reminded of all the drama.

Even regarding Doug Graham, his heart is in the right place, but his serious poor education, ego and negligence has cost him. Brian is in a different league, but he is still being made out to be a big dill. He is a raw food star, but he needs to get smarter, stick to the truth and employ top staff and do things by the law. I'm sure this will be a wake up call for Brian and Anna-Marie that will make them do things better, because l don't think they will let the 57 year history of HHI's excellent promotion of the raw vegan diet become a thing of the past. If they have done things wrong, then apologise, cop a fine, do things by the law, get some good medical staff and continue to promote the lifestyle.

Are microgreens 30 times as nutritious compared to common green vegetables as Brian Clement has always claimed? I think some of them could definitely be.

www.thesproutarian.com

I reposting Sunclouds beautifully stated post back in this thread because it seems, today, a lot of people missed it, are missing the point and/or are misunderstanding what the legal problem is, and because she said it more clearly and better than I could ...


Re: Looks like karma is catching up with Dr Clement

Posted by: suncloud ()

Date: January 26, 2015 12:24AM


Whatever the case may be regarding the success record of conventional vs. alternative medicine, every patient deserves to know the true credentials of their health practitioner.

Some patients may prefer a conventional credential, others an alternative credential. But every patient has a right to choose. If patients are misinformed, their right to choose is stolen/diminished/negated/lost.

A licensed naturopathic doctor has received a defined level of training in their field. This is common knowledge. That's why a fake ND credential becomes a tool for stealing freedom of choice from a person who is ill.

In addition to providing accurate credentials, access to the records and side effects for all treatment options should be available. The record is available for chemo. We know about the dismal failures. There is also some notable success.

So where is the record available for HHI? If I were the parent of a child with leukemia, I'd like to know. HHI's website provides 5 success stories, only one of which claims to have actually cured cancer (pancreatic) through the methods prescribed by HHI.

[hippocratesinst.org]

I'm not saying here that HHI's methods are bad or that they don't provide a service. I'm just saying there's not much record of success in actually curing cancer.

HHI's website states they provide a "Comprehensive Cancer Wellness Program", a "fully inclusive program...for individuals wanting to maximize the benefits of treatment by integrating Alternative Medical Therapies with Standard Medical Care." HHI may play an effective complementary role in restoring health to a cancer patient who has received chemotherapy.

An MD, Dr. Garitzer, is a member of their staff.

However, Brian Clement's claimed credentials are PhD, NMD, and LN. When I called HHI some months ago and asked where the credentials came from, I was told someone would call me back. No one ever did. Maybe I'll try again. Their phone number is 1-561-471-8876.

Suez I wish you could be my lawyer. You can really make a point.

I guess the only raw food guru left standing tall is Gabriel Cousens
There is a spiritual dimension to his diet may be that is why

They will come after him when the others fall. Someone will say they almost died or something from green juices.

WHY so negative, maybe all the raw food gurus will be the new elite. Our job will be more important than any other profession. And we will be gods. EVen being on here, you will be a god or goddess and people will study you for centuries. We will no longer exist except for these posts...about Ann Wigmore Degrees and Brian Clement is he or isnt he?

Make sure whatever you post is true to your memory.





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EVERYONE WHO ATTACKS A RAW FOOD GURU IS SICK!!!

"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does." -Francois De La Rochefoucauld (1630 - 80): Maxims 1665

"Voltaire was critical of medicines--'Regime is superior to medicine'; and of most doctors--'out of every hundred physicians ninety-eight are charlatans'; but he added: 'Men who are occupied in the restoration of health to other men, by the joint exercise of skill and humanity, are above all the great of the earth. They even partake of divinity, since to preserve and renew is almost as noble as to create.'" -Will & Ariel Durant

ALL OF US HERE ARE THE TRIM TABS OF SOCIETY!!!





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coconutcream Wrote:
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> Suez I wish you could be my lawyer. You can really
> make a point.


That was Suncloud, Coconutcream, not me making THE point.

She knows well right from wrong and explained it clearly for those who don't seem to understand well and/or seem to be very confused by their emotional ties and wishs.

Suncloud is is a professional with high standards. She separated the wheat from the chaff. I hope you can understand that and that you can utilize it to stay out of trouble so you never need a very expensive "dream team" criminal lawyer for yourself.

Thank you John Rose, great quotes.

>EVERYONE WHO ATTACKS A RAW FOOD GURU IS SICK!!!

no. it's called holding to a standard of honesty and integrity.

the alternative is blind loyalty.