Sorry SueZ, I meant specifically about the vitamin c injections. Is that synthetic? Would seem strange given Brian's rejection of synthetics. Also how does the Vitamin C compare to laetrile in terms of helping cancer?

Regarding silver injections, I am totally openminded to that. Here is a scenario: let's say someone was under doctor's orders to get an antibiotic. So, let's say HHI tries silver first. If that fails, then they will have to get a caustic antibiotic from their MD. Silver is not as caustic as some antibiotics that are so awful. Rawists know some amazing plants that are antibiotic in nature, but might meet with such strong resistance from MDs that perhaps the only compromise might be silver. Silver is in the MD arena, whereas plant medicine is in the natural healing arena.

Bring it on Suez, what's exactly up your ass anyways?

It's working out great for me. I couldn't care less who advertises on YouTube. The money system isn't going away until we transcend it as a group. In the meantime they can do what they do and I can profit just by creating content that is POSITIVE! It's like a Robin Hood game and I don't have to work a debilitating job and be someone's slave. Win, Win really...

You're single I assume?

SueZ Wrote:
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> NuNativs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You didn't quote me on...
>
> Be glad I didn't go back into all your plethora of
> harebrained schemes. Be very glad.
>
>
> > If Storm got up on YouTube at least he'd have
> a
> > reason to get up in the morning, capiche?
>
> Right, because your harebrained trite scheme of
> letting big ag, etc., corp.'s advertisements on
> your youtube channel is making you so "rich" and
> "free" and is working out so well for you you
> decided to share your riches and freedom success
> with Storm. Who the heck are you trying to fool?



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Lol, nunativs. so your YouTube channel is your mega cash cow and it can make Storm a millionaire, too. Keep fooling yourself if it pleases you to stay puffed up over nothing but don't expect anyone else to buy the half baked bs you're all puffed up about.

I don't have any videos on my NuNativs channel, it's a different channel about midget porn Who said anything about millions, it pays all the bills and gives me freedom and that's plenty for now. I can send you a Google screen grab if you're that jaded...

storm, how goes it buddy?


i recall a while back seeing you post at the dmt.nexus. did you ever figure out how to cold brew ayahuasca?


while i know you're not asking for advice, you remind me of some people i know that have dabbled into psychadelics, or really, really far out there esoteric literature (val valerian, the african master teachers, etc, which can be just as mind bending as nature's plants like salvia and DMT) and failed to integrate their experiences/teachings.



perhaps going on a long walk in nature, or better yet some community service really tends to bring people down to earth. volunteer at your local food bank or homeless shelter, anything. it saddens me to see a fellow human feeling so bleak, but the important thing to remember is there are people who care, and there are things that can be done to help.



my two cents, hope all is well brother.

Tai Wrote:
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> Sorry SueZ, I meant specifically about the vitamin
> c injections. Is that synthetic? Would seem
> strange given Brian's rejection of synthetics.
> Also how does the Vitamin C compare to laetrile in
> terms of helping cancer?
>
> Regarding silver injections, I am totally
> openminded to that. Here is a scenario: let's say
> someone was under doctor's orders to get an
> antibiotic. So, let's say HHI tries silver first.
> If that fails, then they will have to get a
> caustic antibiotic from their MD. Silver is not
> as caustic as some antibiotics that are so awful.
> Rawists know some amazing plants that are
> antibiotic in nature, but might meet with such
> strong resistance from MDs that perhaps the only
> compromise might be silver. Silver is in the MD
> arena, whereas plant medicine is in the natural
> healing arena.


Sorry, Tai, I somehow missed your post yesterday.

I don't know what HHI uses in their C injections. The only thing I personally know about massive doses of vitamin C is that when I was doing that - way back last century when that sort of thing was in it's heyday and still pretty popular in the alternative medicine community - I was informed by the septic tank maintenance co. that doing that was making it impossible for them to do their job properly as I kept killing off all the bacteria in the septic system. That was enough for me to hear to quit that nonsense immediately.

The C had probably done more damage to my good gut bacteria than heavy duty antibiotics could have! If HHI is still using huge doses of C on people those people will probably have their digestive systems totally wracked up, too. Those people will most certainly be forced to rely on predigested/fermented foods for a long long time once their good bacteria is killed off regardless of if their C overdose is derived from cheap GMO corn or the pricey coconut derived C I was using. And lets not forget that Linus Pauling himself died of cancer.

Mainlining silver, IMO, is an even more horrible idea. It not only is a heavy metal it is a very conductive one. And what's even worse is that nano sized metals totally circumvent the bodies ability to screen it from areas it should not be - it can go wherever the heck it wants to like any other loose cannon.

No thank you, at any price, to HHI - even with their fake hair lengtheners and one of their manicure/pedicures thrown in could I be paid enough to undergo anything I've seen of their mainlining offerings.

Well Linus Pauling did die from prostate cancer, and another cancer I can't remember, at age 93, in 1994.

Though not widely known, his wife, Ava, died of stomach cancer in her 70ties in 1981, and their last-born son, Edward Crellin Pauling, born 1937, died of a very aggressive colon cancer, that spread to his liver, in 1997, at age 60. Another son died in his somewhat later years, cause unknown to me. The Paulings' first born son & their last born child, a daughter, I think are still living.

Thanks SueZ
valuable personal story you shared. It makes these forums worthwhile.

I started a new thread for "the storm" under the non-health related category. in one of his most recent posts under this Dr Brian Clement's thread, he asks for help. However, these ideas should be discussed in an appropriate category.

Tai Wrote:
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> Thanks SueZ
> valuable personal story you shared. It makes these
> forums worthwhile.

You're welcome, Tai, and thank you!

Dr Brian & Anna-Marie Clement face multiple law suits from ex-HHI staff

CBC apprached DR Clement at HHI and he handled the confrontation less than honourably, and even went as far to give the reporter a small tap on the face. His tone and behaviour does not speak well of a person who is supposed to be all spiritual, loving and truth telling. If he is doing the right thing, why is he getting so angry? His behaviour does not line up with what he teaches, and this really bothers me because it comes across as very hypocritical.

Ann Wigmore was always brought to court and always got around lawsuits by saying HHI was an educational facility, but now ex staff claim that Brian Clement has crossed the line and used the "cure" word, and has even gone as far to cancel orders of qualified doctors attending to destressed patients despite not being a registered doctor according to ex HHI staff and Florida authorities.

Makes me wonder if Anna_marie's qualifications are above board, or are they questionable also.

And now staff have come out concerned about Brian's selling of treatments to sick patients. I know another ex HHI person who left concerned exactly about the same thing, that is, HHI are becoming too commercialised and is losing it's soul. HHI now appear to have gone into the real estate business selling houses/land for people to live in and appear to sell countless varieties of supplements.

And as good as Brian's diet recommendations are, l wonder how many are able to follow them and get well. I know there are various HHI people who struggle to maintain the diet and still have health problems. And where are all these 90 year old people living on the HHI diet?

I ask all these questions because it appears that Brian Clement may not be as truthful as he claims. Brian brought HHI to new heights, but ironically, he now appears to be destroying what HHI were all about because he does not seem to be in line with the HHI principles of teaching education and acting with the highest level of integrity.

Here is a video and article of Brian Clement's highly questionable behaviour. He talks like a cult leader on his videos, now he runs away like a cult leader. He does not seem to handle confrontation well.

[www.cbc.ca]

www.thesproutarian.com

Unfortunate to see him acting in such a way but it's not too surprising. He's always seemed to dislike his authority being questioned, I think he's insecure about it because he knows he doesn't have the credentials he claims he does. All he would have to do is show his degree. Instead, he gets angry, avoids questioning and kicked the reporter off HHI property.



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Brian needs to be able to substanciate his claims. I have questioned him of E3 live toxicity and asked why he promotes it, and have also questioned him on his cancer claims saying that cancer can't survive in an oxygen rich environment, and l think l may have posted studies which completely contradicted his theories.

And now the concern that they promote Dark-field microscopy and Anna Marie may not be properly qualified either, despite being called an expert in the field.
[www.quackwatch.com]

Brian also makes lots of claims such as wheatgrass is 30 times as nutritious as green vegetables and countless unpublished claims. The idea that wheatgrass is 30 times as nutritious came from an old scientist who stated his opinion only, yet Brian states it as fact. Brian brings up lots of old questionable science. He also brings up Dr Valerie Hunt, but she is questionable also.

It is really hard for me to say all these things because these are people l have looked up to for years, but l am not prepared to ignore such behaviour of a man in such a trusted position. All we want to know is the truth because l feel we are not being told even close to the real truth of what is going on.

I feel there is a lot of ugly stuff going on, but l can't prove many things so l can't put it on the public record.

If people do the right thing then they won't have a problem, but if you start living a lie and running from it like a baby then....

Anna Marie was in the background in that video. I reckon she and Brian will be doing some serious talking, but if they have lead a lie they must deal with the consequences.

www.thesproutarian.com

Oh wow, l just listened to the video again and heard the nurse say that Brian was perscribing medication to the patients. Perscribing food is good, but for a non doctor to perscribe medication would be a serious breach and needs proper looking into by the authorities. If this is true then Brian needs to face disciplinary action. It would not be hard to prove either.

www.thesproutarian.com

The Sproutarian Man Wrote:
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> And now the concern that they promote Dark-field
> microscopy and Anna Marie may not be properly
> qualified either, despite being called an expert
> in the field.
> [www.quackwatch.com]
> Tests/livecell.html


I've been saying over and over how dark-field microscopy, in the manner alternative health care is using it, is a ridiculous farce.

While it doesn't surprise me at all that everyone in the raw food world seems to think there is something magically real to it I am mildly surprised and disappointed that Gabriel Cousens has bought into the farce as he is a real M.D. and although he probably had no microscopy training in med school he should have been able to think his way through it and realized the truth. IMO.

TSM wrote:
"And now the concern that they promote Dark-field microscopy and Anna Marie may not be properly qualified either, despite being called an expert in the field"

I have seen the pitfalls and the advantages of live cell analysis. HHI uses spectracell blood tests and they interpret blood tests, so the live cell analysis is just icing on the cake, as it should be. Live cell analysis should not be used to diagnose by non-licensed practitioners, but it can point out obvious things and show in real time if supplements and diet changes are helping. I have seen dramatic changes in 48 hours with supplements as revealed by live cell (I take people to see a naturopath). It is not quack science to look through a microscope. YOu don't need an MD degree to do it.

Where live cell can get ridiculous is when someone starts using it to sell $500 worth of supplements. If it was used to just have a quick look, it wouldn't be under such fire. This one naturopath I know has really expensive lenses to go with his microscope and quite often parasites can be seen in the blood. THis is not quackery. But I don't often take people to see him because he is too driven to sell his products. One lady I know does not sell products at all, as she feels that is a compromise.

For my own self, I compared a functional blood chemistry analysis to a live cell analysis and the live cell could not reveal that I had functional anemia. So I really don't want to pretend that live cell is that incredible, but it can yield helpful insights, as long as the cost $$ is kept low (like $25)...otherwise, a blood/stool/saliva/hair test is simply more cost effective and yields more info.

I haven't been to HHI and I don't know their procedure, but just wanted to say that I have seen valuable info from live cell. I also acknowledge a problem with incorrect diagnosis and unnecessary supplementation prescription and too much $$$ spent on products.

Tai, you make a good point above and put it into context nicely. I can see how Dark-field microscopy might be worthwhile when used in conjunction with other testings. Excellent post.


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Here is an interesting post Dr Flora made in the past about ambitious people trying to undermine Ann Wigmore in order to take over the running of HHI.

She was the most spiritual person I've ever met and because she lived in present tense and had incredible love inside her, she was never worried about anything, even when people where trying to undermine some of her students' confidence in her in order to 'take' the reins from her hands

[site.therawdiet.com]

In fairness, the person spoken about may not be Brian, but whoever it is, they don't seem to have much integrity.

I need to be careful in what l say, even this post is pushing the limits. Given the investigating l have done in the past l do feel pretty sure l know who it is, because everything lines up.

The Sproutarian Man wrote:

"Dr Brian & Anna-Marie Clement face multiple law suits from ex-HHI staff

CBC apprached DR Clement at HHI and he handled the confrontation less than honourably,"

Tai:
I watched those videos that you gave a link to, TSM. I have never been to HHI, but I have been to some of Brian's talks in person. I feel like he and Anna Marie are part of the vegan family, not only furthering the research but also helping to politically lobby for its interests, including supplements and herbs. I personally believe in showing loyalty to family. Sometimes family acts stupid and sometimes they make horrible blunders, but they are still family. I personally believe that HHI's success is my success, because they actually are working for my interests, not only with government policy but also with research that they share with the public. Research is a slippery word. I will take what I can get when it comes to case studies from their institute.
I don't want to see Brian strapped with lawsuits, wasting his time away. I want him actually figuring out new solutions to health problems. I don't want HHI shut down. I want them to succeed in interacting with allopathic medicine, IF POSSIBLE, to increase mainstream awareness.

Regarding the video of that male nurse...the question is: what was Brian prescribing? Was he prescribing Lifegive supplements? The nurse doesn't actually mention it and to me the editing was just too amibiguous and perhaps sneaky. With so many kids getting removed from their homes because the parents refused chemotherapy, is it any wonder that the media would jump on this story with glee? Also, the nurse was so mean with what he said regarding BRian adjusting dosage. SOmetimes that just has to happen. Sometimes there is no time to wait to go to the doctor. THat was so unfair. To me, he is just pushing his lawsuit and the "journalist" was pushing it too.

I understand it was cancer medication, and if it was an M.D's prescribed medication, Brian has no qualifications to mess with it. Brian's job is to prescribe diet and supplements, and to work with M.D's if needed, but if he has taken it on his own back to change the medication, that is really not on. Everyone makes mistakes and can act dumb, but the alleged medication issue is clearly crossing the line and a serious breach in my eyes. It won't be difficult to find out if he has crossed that line.

I don't want to see HHI closed and Brian stopped from running the institute either, but l want to see him take some heat to give him reason to operate with a high level of integrity that he often talks about.

I want to see Brian deal with these issues and move on. Running away and carrying on is not the way to go about it imo.

So Brian may not have proper papers (qualifications), l can deal with that. So Brian may have told a bunch of lies, l can deal with that. BUT...altering cancer medication without a doctor's approval = not good. Carrying on and running away = looks pretty bad.

Brian is part of the vegan family and l especially have a soft spot for him because he promotes a sproutarian diet and is part of an institution l have had the highest respect for almost half my life, BUT sometimes our family need to be told to `wake up', have integrity, practise what you preach and face up to stuff you have done so you can move on. I think valuable lessons will come out of this for Brian Clement, it was meant to be this way imo.

www.thesproutarian.com

Another issue regarding the nurse......


Assuming his story is true about the nurse being sacked for raising his concern about Brian changing patients medications, that is another serious issue to be looked at. The nurse rightfully raised his concerns about the morals of Brian over stepping the line by changing the medication, yet it looks like he was sacked for raising this concern. If all this is true, that means the nurse was put out of work for wanting to abide by the law and morally do the right thing. And being sacked might not help to get another job straight away, so l can see how a lawsuit could be filed for lost earnings.

Tai, we can't turn a blind eye to this stuff if it happened. Loyalty is well and good, but when people overstep the line that can negatively effect others, then karma must be forth coming. And when we look at the whole picture of alleged fake qualifications, sackings, and other possible poor behaviour etc, we just hope Brian Clement has a long hard look at himself and lifts his standards. But l don't think he will take a hard look at himself until a bunch of people say `not on Brian'. When you act with integrity you won't have these issues come back to haunt you.

www.thesproutarian.com

Loyalty to family is about giving your family the benefit of the doubt, which we should do for Brian. We don't know the details of what happened, but Brian could have tried his best to save someone's life and the nurse could be twisting it for his personal gain.
Look at how many people die each year from the wrong medication: 106,000 deaths from adverse drug reactions only in the United States. If someone steps in to the rescue, are people going to stone the hero, because he wasn't technically an MD? If you see your mother dying in front of you from an adverse drug reaction, are you going to step in and decide to stop giving her the drug or let her die because you are not an MD to change medication and you couldn't get emergency help in time? What is moral and immoral? Saving someone's life is moral! Sometimes a patient's doctor is not available to be reached and emergency decisions must be made.

I am not defending Brian, if he truly did something wrong, but so far, I am very suspicious of the nurse's story.

TSM wrote:

<<<If all this is true, that means the nurse was put out of work for wanting to abide by the law and morally do the right thing.>>>

“Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.” -Ralph Waldo Emerson

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -Tacitus

"The greater the number of laws and enactments, the more thieves and robbers there will be." -Lao-tzu

"A state is better governed which has but few laws, and those laws strictly observed." -Rene Descartes

[www.rawfoodsupport.com]
One Law for a "Golden Age"
John Rose (---.HSTN.splitrock.net)
Date: 12-24-00 19:54

...

I guess the reason why I emphasize 100% so much is because I believe what many philosophers have said throughout the ages..."The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." -Tacitus. "The greater the number of laws and enactments, the more thieves and robbers there will be." -Lao-tzu. "A state is better governed which has but few laws, and those laws strictly observed." -Rene Descartes. I believe that this is where we differ philosophically. I'm convinced beyond any doubt that cooked food is the root cause to almost all of our problems. I'm not alone in my beliefs. Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Jesus, Victor Hugo, Arnold Ehret and Herbert Shelton all understood the connection between our behavior and cooked food as well as the bunch at NFL.

I believe that if we are ever to have a "Golden Age" on this planet, then we must have only one law...Nature's Law...and when we cook our food, we are in violation to this "Law of Nature". All of the raw foodist elude to these "Laws of Nature" and if we genuinely want to stop all of the needless suffering on this planet, then we need to obey these "Laws of Nature."

Once again, this is why I am so adamant about the evils of cooked food. There should only be one law - "The Laws of Nature", and if everyone obeyed this one law, there would be no need for any other laws. Unfortunately, I am painfully aware of how hard this is to understand for most people. There are simply too many symptoms or side effects from eating cooked food and not everyone is going to manifest all of the symptoms. That's why it's so hard for people to believe that the same root cause for this symptom or warning sign is the same root cause for what seems to be a totally unrelated symptom. But there is one root cause to most of our illnesses and ill behaviors. Bishop Carlton D. Pearson said, "The word for fasting literally means "to cover the mouth." Sin came into this world through our mouths--eating." Dr. Bernarr says, "If you consult the ancient scriptures and sacred writings, you will read that in Eden, people did not eat cooked food with "burning fire". In fact, Chinese, Egyptian, Indian and Hebrew accounts, indicate that people were expelled from Paradise for using fire to cook food." The more research you do and the more transformations you experience the more you will be amazed!!!
[www.rawfoodsupport.com]


Great points Tai!





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Re Anna Marie Clement's "credentials":

I went to the HHI website, and in her biographical story it states:

"With a doctorate in nutrition from Denmark University...."

But I looked high & low, and couldn't find any place of higher learning in that country called "Denmark University". Wikipedia has a pretty good rundown of such schools, and I looked at other sites such as The University of Copenhagen, etc., but no luck.

Very strange.

KFCA Wrote:
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> Re Anna Marie Clement's "credentials":
>
> I went to the HHI website, and in her biographical
> story it states:
>
> "With a doctorate in nutrition from Denmark
> University...."
>
> But I looked high & low, and couldn't find any
> place of higher learning in that country called
> "Denmark University". Wikipedia has a pretty good
> rundown of such schools, and I looked at other
> sites such as The University of Copenhagen, etc.,
> but no luck.
>
> Very strange.

Wouldn't doctorate degrees in nutrition require licensing renewals and ongoing refreshers, at the doctorial level, to keep current? I don't know about such things but it certainly would seem odd if no further registration was necessary ever, wouldn't it? What did the website claim for letters after her name?


Hmmm ...

[www.universitiesabroad.com]



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I went back to the HHI website, and neither "Doctors" Clement use letters after their names. Check out "Our Team" there.

Brian Clement's bio said he worked his way through college (no college name given) as a musician, and "with a degree in biochemistry in hand" (still no college name given)---well you can read the rest of it if you want.

KFCA Wrote:
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> I went back to the HHI website, and neither
> "Doctors" Clement use letters after their names.
> Check out "Our Team" there.
>
> Brian Clement's bio said he worked his way through
> college (no college name given) as a musician, and
> "with a degree in biochemistry in hand" (still no
> college name given)---well you can read the rest
> of it if you want.

I just went over there and looked at the covers of one of her books for sale. After her name it had Ph.D, N.MD, LN.

On the book's back cover I noticed it said she was cofounder of the HHI with her husband.

"co-founder of the HHI with her husband." Now that's a bit of hyperbole isn't it? Ann W. must be turning over in her grave.

KFCA Wrote:
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> I went back to the HHI website, and neither
> "Doctors" Clement use letters after their names.
> Check out "Our Team" there.



Just as interesting is the fact that Brian's bio has also been removed from this website where he stated the University he got his Ph D from.
[aliveraw.com]

Brian has obviously made the changes after being caught out, and he is to be commended for doing that.

It will be interesting if his future book publishings have letters after his name.

KFCA Wrote:
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> "co-founder of the HHI with her husband." Now
> that's a bit of hyperbole isn't it? Ann W. must
> be turning over in her grave.


Too bad there wasn't a grave ...

Here's the book with the back cover you can see those two "DR" Cs are said to have co-founded the HHI. No mention of Ann Wigmore ever having existed there.

[hippocratesstore.org]

John Rose Wrote:
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> TSM wrote:
>
> <<>>
>
> “Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must
> not obey laws too well.” -Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
> "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the
> laws." -Tacitus
>
> "The greater the number of laws and enactments,
> the more thieves and robbers there will be."
> -Lao-tzu
>
>
> "A state is better governed which has but few
> laws, and those laws strictly observed." -Rene
> Descartes



I understand where you are coming from John, but lets try not to make light of a situation too much. If l was prescribing drugs or changing M.D's scripts or telling people to stop taking certain medications with people l help, would you and others be outraged?

We don't know for sure if Brian has changed drug scripts, but a court of law will be able to find out.

WE know doctors kill an enormous amount of people each year because it has been reported in some of the most highly regarded medical journals in the world, but it does not mean that me, John Rose, Suez or other non M.D's can go around doing as they please.

Is US Health Really the Best in the World?

Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH
[jama.jamanetwork.com]

[silver.neep.wisc.edu]

"225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer"

12,000 deaths from unnecessary surgeries;

7,000 deaths from medication errors in hospitals;

20,000 deaths from other errors in hospitals;

80,000 deaths from infections acquired in hospitals;

106,000 deaths from FDA-approved correctly prescribed medicines


And we know that Chemo can contribute to secondary cancer in some patients as reported by the American Cancer Society and others:

[www.cancer.org]


And we know that drugs are not tested properly because so many are recalled due to being dangerous:

[www.ahrp.org]

[www.ahrp.org]


BUT, none of that means that average alternative health people can go about doing as they please. Again, l am not accusing Brian of messing with the drug scripts, but l am making a general comment. We don't want to make light of this issue in regards to anyone.

www.thesproutarian.com