Great Advice Sproutarian man! I think Brian should take it.

But that doesnt mean be afraid, or feel intimidated by "the system"..just be honest and true to love first- Because inherently all people can recognize the truth once given it to them. And people are good, and once people research for themselves...well...

And bad publicity has always been good for business,
BRIAN CLEMENT SO GOOD LUCK!

Any update on when they arrested Robert O Young?

The worst that happened to me at a raw vegan nothing but green smoothie four times a day, seven days -retreat, was my mole I had for years fell off.





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suncloud Wrote:
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> vetsez Wrote:
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> > Clement claims to have a doctorate of
> naturopathic
> > medicine and a PhD in nutrition from the
> > University of Science Arts and Technology
> (USAT),
> > based in Montserrat.
> > However, USAT president Orien Tulp said,
> “Brian
> > Clement, he is not a naturopathic doctor from
> > USAT. I can guarantee that. He shouldn’t be
> > making false claims for one. If he is, I’ll
> > withdraw his degree.”
>
>
> Vetsez, do you happen to have a link or a
> reference for that quote from Orien Tulp?

Hi, Suncloud. The Tulp quote was from the original CBC new story that was linked in TMS's first post on this thread.

Tulp was quoted as saying this...

"When contacted by CBC News, USAT owner Tulp said that all those who criticize his university are lying to the CBC. He refused to give an address for his campus, or the names and contact info of his professors. He said he has 1,000 students, and that USAT is one of only two legitimate universities in the Caribbean and one of the top 100 medical schools in the world.

As for Clement, he remembers him and he did not receive a NMD from his university. But he believes he was probably Clement’s professor in nutrition.

“I never created a fraudulent degree in my life, and I never will,” Tulp told CBC News. “Brian Clement he is not a naturopathic doctor from USAT. I can guarantee that. He shouldn’t be making false claims for one. If he is, I’ll withdraw his degree.”

(A couple of things here. 1. Tulp can't withdraw a degree that was just a false claim can he? 2. I just can't think of a reason why he didn't want to give out the school's address - which is a PO box. Lol.)


Here is the complete article again ...

[www.cbc.ca]

coconutcream Wrote:
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> Great Advice Sproutarian man! I think Brian should
> take it.


Exactly, that's why l wrote it. I think Brian is probably reading this thread. We can all be dumb at times and lose our wisdom, and l know Brian is better than that and can do things much better. Get good staff without questionable backgrounds and pay them well so the system won't be able to attack them.


>
> But that doesnt mean be afraid, or feel
> intimidated by "the system".


That is one of the major issues, the system is designed so alternative healing will always be classed as quackery because `they' KNOW alternative healing methods can't be proven scientifically beyond a doubt because of the numerous factors which can't be properly measured. + `the' system with all `their' medical science has the money to corrupt peer reviewed studies to suit `their' agenda. Since we can't come on top at this point in time in this low level highly corrupted world, we must at least keep the wolves from the door by going strictly by the law, having qualifications beyond reproach and hiring some staff with highly regarded mainstream qualifications from the system (medical qualifications) so HHI can do their thing and have the docs overview the medication of the patients. We have to meet half way or`the system' will crunch you.


>
> And bad publicity has always been good for
> business,
> BRIAN CLEMENT SO GOOD LUCK!


Yes, but l don't think it is going to help HHI in this case,l think it is going to be devastating. Same goes with Doug Graham, will he ever recover?...l doubt it. But Brian is in a whole different league to many of those other healers, so he needs to get his act togeather and conduct himself with utmost professionalism and put HHI beyond reproach. Brian is capable of doing things to a higher level and l think this is the wakeup call he needed, so it's not all bad, but such a shame this publicity is going to hang over HHI and likely put some people off going in the future.

www.thesproutarian.com



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> I can never believe anything anyone says now.


If you don't believe anything else, the stuff I say about the sprouts IS the truth, and you can believe it. Never has finer dinner been had in this day and age, and Brian Clement will also say this.

Just to put the cart before the horse---has it ever been determined the institution of learning that Clement got his degree in biochemistry that he claims? Or is that an earlier lie? Interestingly, a bachelor's degree in biochemistry is the exact same story Patricia Bragg has claimed, though at least she gave UC-Berkeley as its source, though she dropped out after her sophomore year...perhaps as an English major. Must be a trendy thing to say.

KFCA Wrote:
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> Just to put the cart before the horse---has it
> ever been determined the institution of learning
> that Clement got his degree in biochemistry that
> he claims? Or is that an earlier lie?
> Interestingly, a bachelor's degree in biochemistry
> is the exact same story Patricia Bragg has
> claimed, though at least she gave UC-Berkeley as
> its source, though she dropped out after her
> sophomore year...perhaps as an English major. Must
> be a trendy thing to say.

I haven't read a word on the mystery of where Clement's supposed biochemistry degree came from - other than his saying he paid for it by simultaneously working as a musician. He either was quite a huge musical talent or he bought a very cheap forged diploma is what I'm thinking on that subject.

How much money do you suppose the Clements are pulling in from their for profit corporation "Hippocrates Health Corp"? I guess they don't have to tell the public anything about that one if they are actually paying taxes on it.

[www.bizapedia.com]

SueZ Wr
> How much money do you suppose the Clements are
> pulling in from their for profit corporation
> "Hippocrates Health Corp"? I guess they don't have
> to tell the public anything about that one if they
> are actually paying taxes on it.
>

the news report said they were making 1M per year.
i think that was their salary - 500k each after expenses,
but i would need to see the vid again to confirm.



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fresh Wrote:
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> SueZ Wr
> > How much money do you suppose the Clements are
> > pulling in from their for profit corporation
> > "Hippocrates Health Corp"? I guess they don't
> have
> > to tell the public anything about that one if
> they
> > are actually paying taxes on it.
> >
>
> the news report said they were making 1M per year.
>
> i think that was their salary - 500k each after
> expenses,
> but i would need to see the vid again to confirm.

That's just for their non-profit corp, I'm talking about their for-profit corp. Yes they have two corps - that we know of...

here are the not for profit numbers

[990s.foundationcenter.org]

check this out:

[www.faqs.org]

they shouldn't be tax exempt, either. another scam.

oh, look, they both gave themselves 40K in bonuses. how nice.



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According to the FL Secretary of State's website, a Director of HHI filed her resignation as Officer/Director of said Corp. via electronic mail on 2/24/2015. Her name is Michele Riel. Coincidental or otherwise this happened when all these stories broke?

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> here are the not for profit numbers
>
> [990s.foundationcenter.org]
> 50/650125982/650125982_201112_990.pdf
>
> check this out:
>
> [www.faqs.org]
> th-Institute-Of-Florida-Inc.html#statementOfRevenu
> e
>
> they shouldn't be tax exempt, either. another
> scam.
>
> oh, look, they both gave themselves 40K in
> bonuses. how nice.

Lots of contributions/gifts from the hypnotized.

$455,309 - legal.

KFCA Wrote:
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> According to the FL Secretary of State's website,
> a Director of HHI filed her resignation as
> Officer/Director of said Corp. via electronic mail
> on 2/24/2015. Her name is Michele Riel.
> Coincidental or otherwise this happened when all
> these stories broke?

If an Officer/Director and/or a doctor of HHI are one or two one of the people whistleblowing this thread might go on for a hundred pages. We may even eventually see Jeb Bush take advantage of a bad situation to somehow try and make himself more popular.

Time will tell.

KFCA Wrote:
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> According to the FL Secretary of State's website,
> a Director of HHI filed her resignation as
> Officer/Director of said Corp. via electronic mail
> on 2/24/2015. Her name is Michele Riel.
> Coincidental or otherwise this happened when all
> these stories broke?

Also, assistant director Bonnie Wishney is no longer there. She helped me a couple of time in the past.

[www.corporationwiki.com]

There seems to be quite a bit of staff turnover.



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As to Hippocrates Health Corp., the for-profit Delaware Corp. controlled by Mr. Clement, according to Vicki Johnson, the PR rep for the center, that Corp. has no activity and "earns nothing".

"Founder of Hippocrates Health Institute Sued Successfully Twice", Hamilton Spectator, Tim Almenciak, Reporter, published Feb. 21, 2015, on-line.

Interestingly, though the article states that Clement claims he was not associated with Ann Wigmore at the time of the two lawsuits (1982 & 1988), his background write-up at the HHI website states that he came to HHI in 1975 "and never left". It also states that he became a Director there in 1980, and seems to have been around until at least 1987, which covers the first lawsuit year(s). As to the second one, recall in that lawsuit, according to the Boston newspaper coverage I posted sometime back, he was directed by the Court not to claim to patients/guests/whoever that Wigmore had been given special recognition for her work by The Nobel Prize Foundation, so it sounds like he was not uninvolved in this latter lawsuit either even though he may have technically left for Florida before the trial began. At least that's how I read it.

KFCA Wrote:
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> As to Hippocrates Health Corp., the for-profit
> Delaware Corp. controlled by Mr. Clement,
> according to Vicki Johnson, the PR rep for the
> center, that Corp. has no activity and "earns
> nothing".

I wonder if, technically, Vicky Johnson can be held responsible for things she says about a corp. that has not been activated to pay her to do that. Does a corp. that earns nothing necessarily have nothing already in it which could potentially be activated?


They're keeping a ten year old Florida Foreign Profit Corporation up to date for what purpose, I wonder? So does this mean even mouthwash and toothpaste HHI sells to people in Australia is an OK thing for non-profit corps to do? I didn't know that sort of thing was allowed. I have read, however, that non-profit corps. are not supposed to be used for illegal purposes.



> "Founder of Hippocrates Health Institute Sued
> Successfully Twice", Hamilton Spectator, Tim
> Almenciak, Reporter, published Feb. 21, 2015,
> on-line.
>
> Interestingly, though the article states that
> Clement claims he was not associated with Ann
> Wigmore at the time of the two lawsuits (1982 &
> 1988), his background write-up at the HHI website
> states that he came to HHI in 1975 "and never
> left". It also states that he became a Director
> there in 1980, and seems to have been around until
> at least 1987, which covers the first lawsuit
> year(s).


Yes, you've shown that Clement never has been very good at keeping his timelines and story straight.


As to the second one, recall in that
> lawsuit, according to the Boston newspaper
> coverage I posted sometime back, he was directed
> by the Court not to claim to
> patients/guests/whoever that Wigmore had been
> given special recognition for her work by The
> Nobel Prize Foundation, so it sounds like he was
> not uninvolved in this latter lawsuit either even
> though he may have technically left for Florida
> before the trial began. At least that's how I read
> it.

That's how I read it and remember it, too.

all of a sudden i can't see those files! can anyone else?

fresh Wrote:
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> all of a sudden i can't see those files! can
> anyone else?


If you mean the one's you posted at 2:55 AM they are still there but on this site you have to usually go back to the post the links were originally posted in to gain access. I don't know why - I'm computer illiterate.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
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> > all of a sudden i can't see those files! can
> > anyone else?
>
>
> If you mean the one's you posted at 2:55 AM they
> are still there but on this site you have to
> usually go back to the post the links were
> originally posted in to gain access. I don't know
> why - I'm computer illiterate.


brilliant. thanks - i did click on a quoted link in your post which was why it wasn't working.

next guru to go down? durianrider? being sued by kayla itsines. stay tuned for the gossipy details.

[www.youtube.com]

[www.youtube.com]

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> [www.youtube.com]
>
> [www.youtube.com]

TSM posted these, and more, on this thread on 2-28.

SueZ Wrote:
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> fresh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > [www.youtube.com]
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
>
> TSM posted these, and more, on this thread on
> 2-28.

Opps - I meant to type 2-26. They are on page 9.

So all raw vegan healing retreats are bad and they should be closed down. I wonder who is left, You cant mess with Cousens, but they will next I bet you





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I was such a fan of Brian Clement, and really appreciated the week I spent at HHI. But with all the information that adds up, I cant't turn my back at the fscts and this does not smell good. His response after being confronted to the fact that he seems to have gotten his diplomas from a Cracker Jack's box was less than convincing. HHI is not for profit but he and his wife get paid a million a year, plus benefits? His reaction when confronted by Connie Walker from CBC, public television, about the two little girls who stopped chemo (one died) was less than honorable. The devil is in the details, but on the back cover of Anna Maria's new book, The power of a woman, it is written that she "cofounded HHI with Dr Brian Clement". Blatant lie, it is Ann Wigmore who did that in the 1940´s. I dont' know if I can believe anything they say now. Because of their greed, they most certainly will hurt the raw/vegan community's work, and that is a shame.

The latest news...

[www.thestar.com]


"Using the pseudonym “Paul,” investigator Kevin Lapham went to the February appointment with Clement. He was asked to provide blood screen results and provided with a specimen collection box. He was told the “Hippocrates medical team” would review his file after he sent his samples to a company listed on the box.


He wasn’t diagnosed but was provided with a menu that included a quinoa burger, rice pasta, non-soy burgers, Amy-brand dinners and all grains.


He was also given instructions to take B12 supplements every morning, an internal cleanser at 2 a.m. and 2 p.m. four days a week as well as a teaspoon of pollen twice a day. All are sold at the institute."

So now HHI is a not-for-profit garden variety fast food selling grocery store, too?

these are cancer succes rates of the legal medical system that courts force you to follow. You cannot legally say no thanks. Death guranteed on a tray. Make your own conclusions, but the legal medical system DO NOT CURE CANCER. It may delay death a little but thats it. Some cancers take decades to grow so the 'treatment' do not mean much at all. Probability of success depends on when it was detected and legal treatment. It actually causes secondary cancer and heavy DNA mutations. This should be on the news so that people have a reference. From reading the articles they create the illusion that the legal system cures you because they have a license. How much money do you think they charge, $18K? ja ja. Nope. That not even buy the tires of their mercedes they drive.



















Reference: [www.cancercenter.com]



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a bit off topic, but has anyone read 'grace and grit' by ken wilber?

<<<has anyone read 'grace and grit' by ken wilber?>>>

I haven't read "Grace and Grit," but I've read "A Theory of Everything: An Integral Vision for Business, Politics, Science and Spirituality," “No Boundary,” "The Simple Feeling of Being : Embracing Your True Nature" and "The Spectrum of Consciousness" and Wilber is making a huge Mistake which one would expect since he does NOT understand what I call the Sin of Spirituality.

Indeed, it boggles my mind that Wilber and all of his followers are so easily Mis-Directed.

Panchito, yes, cancer is a most horrible disease but the odds are far better with surviving childhood leukemia - some forms of it are now up to over 70% and one type is 80%. In any case that really doesn't have anything more to do with this thread than lists of books posters have read does. None, in other words.



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The karmic debt that Brian Clement has acquired in his life for good far outweighs the bad. There are real healing crisis cured at his clinics. People can live again after learning about raw vegan foods.







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coconutcream Wrote:
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People
> can live again after learning about raw vegan
> foods.

Some of his patient's can and some of them die young. This thread is about little aboriginal children who's parent's were beguiled by a confident salesman who hasn't produced any know health care credentials at all and certainly was not employing their traditional aboriginal alternative to modern medicine.

From what I've read so far Clement didn't keep records of long-term outcomes or follow ups on his patients. If this is the case how can we know how many actually recovered from their HHI cancer center? Has anyone here found any indication otherwise? Does HHI just consider everyone who leaves their institute as "cured"? IMO, if that's how he does things he has absolutely no claim to his "science" having any resemblance to real science regardless of his repetitive claims of being scientific.